Will you get vaccinated?

[QUOTE=GrouchyUSMC;1637873263][url]https://www.wpxi.com/news/top-stories/every-day-that-i-work-hard-i-get-closer-being-whole-bethel-park-woman-shares-her-recovery-story-since-being-paralyzed/RVFB5HRHSVAUHCVH56O7YDPZTM/[/url][/QUOTE]


None of these azzholes cares about her, BUT if she had covid and had this reaction you'd get ALOT of "this is horrible" BS comments.

[QUOTE=LWW;1637873643]None of these azzholes cares about her, BUT if she had covid and had this reaction you'd get ALOT of "this is horrible" BS comments.[/QUOTE]
yes....

So I'm getting my 1st vaccination shot tomorrow and if I dont return you will know what happened.

Please only think of me as I was young, strong and beautiful, and know that I went down making jokes right up until the moment the conspiracy enriched serum entered my shredded, bowling ball sized deltoid and did its conspiracy thing.

and know that I thought of you all as more than a sequence of glowing pixel bulbs on a screen. Oh my... I feel the words to a beautiful song coming on. Nope, that was gas. :D

[QUOTE=ChazWood;1637876913]yes....

So I'm getting my 1st vaccination shot tomorrow and if I dont return you will know what happened.

Please only think of me as I was young, strong and beautiful, and know that I went down making jokes right up until the moment the conspiracy enriched serum entered my shredded, bowling ball sized deltoid and did its conspiracy thing.

and know that I thought of you all as more than a sequence of glowing pixel bulbs on a screen. Oh my... I feel the words to a beautiful song coming on. Nope, that was gas. :D[/QUOTE]

Thank you for clarifying that if we won't hear from you after today, that it was the vaccine and not cos you're still mad at me and protesting.

[QUOTE=Cass40;1637878463]Thank you for clarifying that if we won't hear from you after today, that it was the vaccine and not cos you're still mad at me and protesting.[/QUOTE]

Why can't it be both? Sometimes it is all Aboot you.

[QUOTE=Corbi;1637878603]Why can't it be both? Sometimes it is all Aboot you.[/QUOTE]

Cos he can't be both mad and ded.

[QUOTE=GrouchyUSMC;1637873263][url]https://www.wpxi.com/news/top-stories/every-day-that-i-work-hard-i-get-closer-being-whole-bethel-park-woman-shares-her-recovery-story-since-being-paralyzed/RVFB5HRHSVAUHCVH56O7YDPZTM/[/url][/QUOTE]

So she suffered from seizures before, it may have had something to do with this.

[QUOTE=GrouchyUSMC;1637873263][url]https://www.wpxi.com/news/top-stories/every-day-that-i-work-hard-i-get-closer-being-whole-bethel-park-woman-shares-her-rec
overy-story-since-being-paralyzed/RVFB5HRHSVAUHCVH56O7YDPZTM/[/url][/QUOTE]

One of my colleagues suffered partial paralysis 12 days post her first AZ vaccine shot. She has been hospitalised for the past 4 weeks and is thankfully recovering, she has been diagnosed with Guillain-Barrie syndrome, an extremely rare condition which can cause partial or even complete paralysis. The doctors cannot directly attribute the condition to the AZ vaccine, however they are not able to rule it out.

Generally paralysis occurs after a virus or infection, but it has been linked to a number of vaccines, including the flu jab.

[url]https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/guillain-barre-syndrome.html[/url]

[QUOTE=GrouchyUSMC;1637873263][url]https://www.wpxi.com/news/top-stories/every-day-that-i-work-hard-i-get-closer-being-whole-bethel-park-woman-shares-her-recovery-story-since-being-paralyzed/RVFB5HRHSVAUHCVH56O7YDPZTM/[/url][/QUOTE]

Looked at the article and this one sounds psycho****tic. It happened too quickly and doesn't fit with Guillain-Barre or a transverse myelitis. Sad either way. That said, if you want to find some actual scary complications that could be associated with a vaccine, those two, GB and a transverse myelitis would be good ones. A stroke would be another. It's scary to think that those could be brought on by a vaccine you willing get, isn't it? In the J&J trials, I believe they actually had two cases of Guillain-Barre. Of course only one was in the active arm, and the other one was in the placebo arm. So can we say the vaccine caused the one in the active arm? Nope. We don't have enough evidence. But it might have contributed.

Again, scary...

So now think about the mechanism of action for those potential reactions to the vaccine. We give you a vaccine that causes you to produce some antigen that's present on the virus, and your immune response to the antigen also triggers an auto immune reaction. That would suck, but if you'd caught the actual virus, you would have had even more of that antigen floating around your body for a significantly longer period of time, and who knows how bad it could have been.

Back in the seventies when we tried to vaccinate everyone against H1N1, one of the vaccines was associated with an increase in Guillain Barre, and my understanding is that the association derailed the vaccine program. What the stat's later showed is that the actual virus probably also caused an increase in GB. But that increase gets drowned out by the background noise. If your incidence of GB goes from 20/million to 22/million this year because of COVID 19, you probably won't know. You'll go from 6000 to 6600, and the annual variability drowns that out. Also, it could just be due to stress and not the virus.

We've had 30 million documented COVID 19 infections, and if we divide 600 increased cases of GB by 30, the risk would be around 20/million, so it would double the baseline for that population. If we pretend only 30million people have been infected, your risk of getting COVID would be about 10%/year, so your GB risk would be increased 2/million/year. We've vaccinated over 8million people with the J&J vaccine, but we aren't hearing about an increased incidence of GB in that population.

So be logical. Think about how the vaccine causes these serious reactions, and what the relative risk of having a reaction from the vaccine is versus the risk of having that reaction due to the virus. It's likely you'll be fine if you don't get vaccinated. But the vaccines are so much safer than the virus that unless you live in a plastic bubble, the probability you'll be fine are much better if you do get the vaccine. As an analogy, you can gamble like an amateur who doesn't use statistics or you can think like a professional poker player and count the cards. Up to you.

Richard,
I've had this post window open for over an hour and typed this between meetings and calls, so I didn't see your post until after I hit OK to post mine. I didn't choose to discuss GB because of your friend, and want you to know it wasn't to minimalize or deny the possible relationship. I would definitely be suspicious it could be associated. In my trials, we consider it possibly related, and report it as a SUSAR. Hope your friend makes a fast and complete recovery.

I overheard in a New York City sewer:

Rat #1: Yo, bro. Did you take the rona jab?

Rat #2: Not yet, bruh. I am still waiting for the human test results.

[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1637849083]So edit my numbers to a range that you feel more comfortable with; start with J+J and work your way down with ***your best ESTIMATES.***

DON'T CHICKEN OUT, we don't judge. :)[/QUOTE]

I really can't Ben. This explains why better than I could in a post:

[url]https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5247(21)00069-0/fulltext#:~:text=Ranking%20by%20reported%20efficacy%20gives,for%20the%20AstraZeneca%E2%80%93Oxford%20vaccines[/url].

Getting shot 1 of Merdin (whatever it’s called) tomorrow.

No choice, wife set it up with our dr, I told him no for me, she said yes to both of us.

Chit talking is over.

[QUOTE=LWW;1637906023]Getting shot 1 of Merdin (whatever it’s called) tomorrow.

No choice, wife set it up with our dr, I told him no for me, she said yes to both of us.

Chit talking is over.[/QUOTE]

Lmfao WTF?????? :D

[QUOTE=LWW;1637906023]Getting shot 1 of Merdin (whatever it’s called) tomorrow.

No choice, wife set it up with our dr, I told him no for me, she said yes to both of us.

Chit talking is over.[/QUOTE]


Hope they give it to you in the ass, make you wear a mask and then take your Little man card away :D

So, for those freaked out...I get it. I really do. I'm in the group that if you are not comfortable getting the jab, then don't.

I can tell you that I'm also in the group that took both jabs. Second jab of Moderna on 3/30. So, 5+ weeks post second jab. Day after second jab didn't feel right all day. Got home from work and had a temp of 101. Went to bed at 8pm and woke up next morning at 5am feeling normal again and went on with my life.

I've been waiting for the nanites to start allowing me to communicate with my new truck.

Just got the second shot today. Came to the site directly from lifting..... :-)

[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1637904533]I really can't Ben. This explains why better than I could in a post:

[url]https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5247(21)00069-0/fulltext#:~:text=Ranking%20by%20reported%20efficacy%20gives,for%20the%20AstraZeneca%E2%80%93Oxford%20vaccines[/url].[/QUOTE]

Thanks, i will check it out in depth and report back after.

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1637906383]Hope they give it to you in the ass, make you wear a mask and then take your Little man card away :D[/QUOTE]

Wait a sec, i thought deniers were banned from getting it altogether!? :)
Let me call MD 311,lol.

[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1637908043]Wait a sec, i thought deniers were banned from getting it altogether!? :)
Let me call MD 311,lol.[/QUOTE]

lol, I think once he tells the doc that he lifts weights and the doc sees how chunky he is, the doc will save that shot for a non lifting skinny *******.

Howdy trouble makers.....:)

The wifster and I just got our 2nd puncture wound at 09:30 this morning.
No reaction as of this moment.
Should we get some reaction (other than the need for a stiff Crown Royal) I'll chime in with a comment.

Have a great day weed hoppers....

[url]www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9545897/Coronavirus-real-world-data-proves-Pfizer-Covid-jab-77-98-effective.html[/url]

take a quick look at the graphs contained.

[QUOTE=LWW;1637863483]Well, everyone I know that train with weights and DON't train for fitness looks but more for functional strength and are all considered obese have not had any health issues with Covid, so why is that?...[/QUOTE]
This is speculation and very high risk of being BS. But, just for fun...
Fat cells aren't only energy stores, they also participate in the hormone system (endocrine) for example converting test to oestrogen (aromatase) and effects on cortisol levels and lowered immune response. For reasons that are beyond me they don't do it to much until you get to a certain body fat percentage at which point that hormonal activity really kicks in. I'd speculate on no evidence whatsoever (broscience) that strongmens' bodies can tolerate higher fat percentage before it starts causing problems than for an untrained person. This kind of makes sense because someone adapted to doing hard physical work would benefit more from energy storage aspect of body fat. Who knows... I think the above is a nice story and it might be true?

[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1637920383]This is speculation and very high risk of being BS. But, just for fun...
Fat cells aren't only energy stores, they also participate in the hormone system (endocrine) for example converting test to oestrogen (aromatase) and effects on cortisol levels and lowered immune response. For reasons that are beyond me they don't do it to much until you get to a certain body fat percentage at which point that hormonal activity really kicks in. I'd speculate on no evidence whatsoever (broscience) that strongmens' bodies can tolerate higher fat percentage before it starts causing problems than for an untrained person. This kind of makes sense because someone adapted to doing hard physical work would benefit more from energy storage aspect of body fat. Who knows... I think the above is a nice story and it might be true?[/QUOTE]

When I trained for only bodybuilding purpose, meaning lots of volume and iso exercises 6 days a week and strict diet, I caught colds (unlike today) and they seemed to take near a month to fully recover.

Makes sense, right? There's a good body fat range, there's too much fat, and there's too little fat.

Too much fat and your CRP and other inflammatory markers go up to a concerning level.
Too little body fat and you throw off chemistries, hormone levels, mess with your metabolism, and your immune system becomes less effective.

In the case of COVID 19, early theories on why obesity was a risk factor for bad outcomes were related to inflammation and a lack of respiratory reserve. I haven't followed up lately to see if that's changed, but it made sense when I read about it.

[QUOTE=LWW;1637922593]When I trained for only bodybuilding purpose, meaning lots of volume and iso exercises 6 days a week and strict diet, I caught colds (unlike today) and they seemed to take near a month to fully recover.[/QUOTE]

Tater, you don't need to be in here wasting time on these commies. you should be home home resting that arm. Big day tomorrow little buddy.




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Covid rates are going down and it's very exciting!

Is anybody else feeling happiness rite now??

Even Tater is gon get vacced thanks to his wife. Lol

[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1637932823]Makes sense, right? There's a good body fat range, there's too much fat, and there's too little fat.

Too much fat and your CRP and other inflammatory markers go up to a concerning level.
Too little body fat and you throw off chemistries, hormone levels, mess with your metabolism, and your immune system becomes less effective.

In the case of COVID 19, early theories on why obesity was a risk factor for bad outcomes were related to inflammation and a lack of respiratory reserve. I haven't followed up lately to see if that's changed, but it made sense when I read about it.[/QUOTE]

Great posts btw. Do you work in the industry? I’d be willing to bet the obese having a higher probability for a bad outcome is likely a number of factors, pre-existing CVD to some level, inflammation “causes” that too. Basically inflammation is going to exist in anyone who has an injury or a health condition since it is the initial immune response to basically everything from physical injury to communicable disease. Chronic inflammation could be indicative of a lot of things, all being bad and possibly increasing the risk of death in general.

[QUOTE=Cass40;1637944663]Covid rates are going down and it's very exciting!

Is anybody else feeling happiness rite now??

Even Tater is gon get vacced thanks to his wife. Lol[/QUOTE]

I am very excited, the only thing surpassing my joy of the numbers falling is Mrs. Tater dragging Taters ass to the doctor to get the jab. That is priceless, hope she makes him wear a mask there and back... Maybe they take vax selfies:D

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1637945933]I am very excited, the only thing surpassing my joy of the numbers falling is Mrs. Tater dragging Taters ass to the doctor to get the jab. That is priceless, hope she makes him wear a mask there and back... Maybe they take vax selfies:D[/QUOTE]



I will always side with not forcing vaccines.

Btw we were at the docs today, I got a tet shot today, been 15 years, I feel like crap while resting, foggy head, back and legs feel like they are glass.

Getting up I’m the am to get 1st vaccine.

[QUOTE=Cass40;1637944663]Covid rates are going down and it's very exciting!

Is anybody else feeling happiness rite now??

Even Tater is gon get vacced thanks to his wife. Lol[/QUOTE]

Feeling optimistic life may actually return closer to normal sometime this year.

[QUOTE=LWW;1637946523]I will always side with not forcing vaccines.

Btw we were at the docs today, I got a tet shot today, been 15 years, I feel like crap while resting, foggy head, back and legs feel like they are glass.

Getting up I’m the am to get 1st vaccine.[/QUOTE]

Ok you're being weird again. There's no way the doctor is giving you a tetanus vaccine and covid vaccine the next day.

[QUOTE=Cass40;1637947523]Ok you're being weird again. There's no way the doctor is giving you a tetanus vaccine and covid vaccine the next day.[/QUOTE]

In basic training we got got a sh!tload of shots within 5-10 minutes several were vaccines, one was a gun with a few needles at once. A tetanus and covid in 24 hrs should be a walk in the park

[QUOTE=Cass40;1637947523]Ok you're being weird again. There's no way the doctor is giving you a tetanus vaccine and covid vaccine the next day.[/QUOTE]

Yup, they couldn’t do the Covid today because they could not open the vile early, apparently they gots a Schedule lined up tomorrow.

I’m sure the tet will build me up for the other shot. I checked the sides on tet and they are the same as this Covid vaccine.

Just glad I can eat, in fact I think it’s making me eat more lol😎

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1637948113]In basic training we got got a sh!tload of shots within 5-10 minutes several were vaccines, one was a gun with a few needles at once. [/QUOTE]

Ok, Brother. I am about to make it worse. That gun did not have needles. Note the two air lines running to the gun. That "gun" used 1200 PSI delivered through tiny nozzles to literally shoot three liquids into your arm.

I shyt you not.

"One is that the shots required patients to stay still as the end of the gun was applied and the trigger was pulled. The vaccine came out at 1,200 psi and if a person flinched — and the nozzle wasn’t butted up straight against the arm — the powerful stream of liquid could tear the skin"

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/jet-injectors/2021/02/02/23f3b8b0-6578-11eb-886d-5264d4ceb46d_story.html[/url]

[url]https://jetinfectors.com/category/military-jet-injections/[/url]

[QUOTE=LWW;1637946523]I will always side with not forcing vaccines.

Btw we were at the docs today, I got a tet shot today, been 15 years, I feel like crap while resting, foggy head, back and legs feel like they are glass.

Getting up I’m the am to get 1st vaccine.[/QUOTE]

They’re gonna ask you if you got any vaccine in last couple weeks or something and May delay you. Look it up. I’m not sure so look it up

[QUOTE=eomrat;1637952553]Ok, Brother. I am about to make it worse. That gun did not have needles. Note the two air lines running to the gun. That "gun" used very 1200 PSI delivered through tiny nozzles to literally shoot the liquid into your arm.

I shyt you not.

"One is that the shots required patients to stay still as the end of the gun was applied and the trigger was pulled. The vaccine came out at 1,200 psi and if a person flinched — and the nozzle wasn’t butted up straight against the arm — the powerful stream of liquid could tear the skin"

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/jet-injectors/2021/02/02/23f3b8b0-6578-11eb-886d-5264d4ceb46d_story.html[/url]

[url]https://jetinfectors.com/category/military-jet-injections/[/url][/QUOTE]

Feel like when you get your skin in front of the pressure washer stream? I did it ONLY once - the first tome to wash my slippers. Fuk never again. Felt like water penetrated my skin and it probably did

I got the first shot on Monday and was in horrendous pain in my arm Tuesday and Wednesday. It's better today but I'm still taking Tylenol. So annoying. I wish I didn't get the vaccine but I care for my elderly parents and aunt.

[QUOTE=TryingBB;1637952583]They’re gonna ask you if you got any vaccine in last couple weeks or something and May delay you. Look it up. I’m not sure so look it up[/QUOTE]


I'll for sure tell them, but we'll see......................

Conditions that you should notify your vaccination provider about before getting a COVID-19 vaccine
The FDA recommends making your provider aware if you have any of the following conditions:

Have any allergies.
Have a fever.
Have a bleeding disorder or are on a blood thinner.
Are immunocompromised or are on a medicine that affects your immune system.
Are pregnant or plan to become pregnant.
Are breastfeeding.
Have received another COVID-19 vaccine.

This also stated that you must get a tet shot if needed even if someone had a covid shot a day or two prior, like if you step on a nail.

Also it says don't take aspirins or pain relief/fever reducers before the vaccine.

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1637945523]Great posts btw. Do you work in the industry? I’d be willing to bet the obese having a higher probability for a bad outcome is likely a number of factors, pre-existing CVD to some level, inflammation “causes” that too. Basically inflammation is going to exist in anyone who has an injury or a health condition since it is the initial immune response to basically everything from physical injury to communicable disease. Chronic inflammation could be indicative of a lot of things, all being bad and possibly increasing the risk of death in general.[/QUOTE]

Thanks. And yes. That day job I mentioned in an earlier post is working as a Medical Director at a CRO.

I'm not directly assigned to any of our vaccine trials right now but some of the docs that "report" to me are. A lot of people on the vaccine studies are working weekends or having to review listings at 2am to avoid delays. Despite that, nobody is complaining. Everyone just says that they can't go anywhere anyway, so they might as work over the weekend.

We can't rush the data collection, but we've sized the studies so they can show safety and efficacy in a very short period of time, so anything the medical monitors can do to avoid delays is being done. The same is true for clinical, data management, safety, regulatory, and every other group involved from the study sites all the way to the statisticians. The entire industry knows that if the data is going to show another vaccine is safe and effective, getting that data cleaned and analyzed just one week faster means production ramps up a week earlier, and that could save a lot of lives. It's impressive.

You know, with all silliness about the vaccines having weird side effects, when I was getting my shot, I was thinking it would be really cool if my Pfizer vaccine could give me super powers or maybe heal my rotator cuff injury as an unexpected side effect. Instead it just gave me a completely expected sore deltoid and some protection from the virus.

I know that sounds silly, but I mention it to show that someone like me, who knew exactly what was in it, how it was tested and what the data showed, was so unconcerned about side effects when they stuck the needle in my arm that I was entertaining myself with X-Men scenarios instead of worrying about an adverse reaction.

[QUOTE=DustinTheHuss;1637953393]I got the first shot on Monday and was in horrendous pain in my arm Tuesday and Wednesday. It's better today but I'm still taking Tylenol. So annoying. I wish I didn't get the vaccine but I care for my elderly parents and aunt.[/QUOTE]

Do you ever work shoulders with high volume at the gym. Was it worse than the pain from
an intense workout? I am not understanding this shoulder pain complaint.

[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1637956023]Thanks. And yes. That day job I mentioned in an earlier post is working as a Medical Director at a CRO.

I'm not directly assigned to any of our vaccine trials right now but some of the docs that "report" to me are. A lot of people on the vaccine studies are working weekends or having to review listings at 2am to avoid delays. Despite that, nobody is complaining. Everyone just says that they can't go anywhere anyway, so they might as work over the weekend.

We can't rush the data collection, but we've sized the studies so they can show safety and efficacy in a very short period of time, so anything the medical monitors can do to avoid delays is being done. The same is true for clinical, data management, safety, regulatory, and every other group involved from the study sites all the way to the statisticians. The entire industry knows that if the data is going to show another vaccine is safe and effective, getting that data cleaned and analyzed just one week faster means production ramps up a week earlier, and that could save a lot of lives. It's impressive.

You know, with all silliness about the vaccines having weird side effects, when I was getting my shot, I was thinking it would be really cool if my Pfizer vaccine could give me super powers or maybe heal my rotator cuff injury as an unexpected side effect. Instead it just gave me a completely expected sore deltoid and some protection from the virus.

I know that sounds silly, but I mention it to show that someone like me, who knew exactly what was in it, how it was tested and what the data showed, was so unconcerned about side effects when they stuck the needle in my arm that I was entertaining myself with X-Men scenarios instead of worrying about an adverse reaction.[/QUOTE]
So which X-man would you be?

Dude, welcome to the Geriatric Jungle. Haha! While we're not all there yet, the words rhymed and you get the gist. :D

Gotta say that we sure could have used you here a year ago, but our Iron brother, PlateauPlower (Tim) helped get us through mostly unscathed. Sure has been a wild ride! In reading your accounting, I'm struck with the awareness of the sincere dedicated commitment of all healthcare peeps; going way above and beyond throughout this crisis as you confirm. No doubt there's a massive sense of pride in playing a part in saving so many lives, and I humbly add my voice to the countless who appreciate your efforts. Thank you. :)

As for me, I done took my Pfizer shot this morning in the left buttock and am A-OK. Probably should have gone with the arm but I asked if I could get it in the butt and the nurse said "yeah, why not" so I sure as hell wasn't going to back out! :p

and as for the gimpy rotator, rub some dirt on it and get at it!

[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1637958563]Do you ever work shoulders with high volume at the gym. Was it worse than the pain from
an intense workout? I am not understanding this shoulder pain complaint.[/QUOTE]

It's very different from working shoulders in the gym. It's hard to describe, but it just even hurt to have my arm resting on me on the couch. I wasn't even laying on it.

[QUOTE=DustinTheHuss;1637966023]It's very different from working shoulders in the gym. It's hard to describe, but it just even hurt to have my arm resting on me on the couch. I wasn't even laying on it.[/QUOTE]

I was told to do OHP movement without any weights and massage the area. Take Tylenol.

I didn’t need Tylenol just did OHP movements and did gentle warmups. Felt better as some blood flowed through the area I think.

It’ll start getting better soon hopefully

[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1637956023]... Medical Director at a CRO....[/QUOTE]

Someone who actually knows what they are talking about...??? in Misc????? that's not right
[i]MODS!!! ban him please[/i]

;)

[QUOTE=eomrat;1637952553]Ok, Brother. I am about to make it worse. That gun did not have needles. Note the two air lines running to the gun. That "gun" used 1200 PSI delivered through tiny nozzles to literally shoot three liquids into your arm.

I shyt you not.

"One is that the shots required patients to stay still as the end of the gun was applied and the trigger was pulled. The vaccine came out at 1,200 psi and if a person flinched — and the nozzle wasn’t butted up straight against the arm — the powerful stream of liquid could tear the skin"

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/jet-injectors/2021/02/02/23f3b8b0-6578-11eb-886d-5264d4ceb46d_story.html[/url]

[url]https://jetinfectors.com/category/military-jet-injections/[/url][/QUOTE]


Damn Brother... I did not know that, I never did research it and I never look when getting needles. It wasn't a pleasant experience and i had the scar for ever. Thanks for posting that, I would have never known.

[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1637956023]
I'm not directly assigned to any of our vaccine trials right now but some of the docs that "report" to me are. A lot of people on the vaccine studies are working weekends or having to review listings at 2am to avoid delays. Despite that, nobody is complaining. Everyone just says that they can't go anywhere anyway, so they might as work over the weekend.[/QUOTE]

Are these studies gathering additional data on the current vaccine technologies or are there new ones on the horizon too (if you can say)?

[QUOTE=eomrat;1637952553]

"One is that the shots required patients to stay still as the end of the gun was applied and the trigger was pulled. The vaccine came out at 1,200 psi and if a person flinched — and the nozzle wasn’t butted up straight against the arm — the powerful stream of liquid could tear the skin"

[/QUOTE]

Got the gun in '66 at Benning. Some flinched, some did not. The above is true.

[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1637956023]Thanks. And yes. That day job I mentioned in an earlier post is working as a Medical Director at a CRO.

I'm not directly assigned to any of our vaccine trials right now but some of the docs that "report" to me are. A lot of people on the vaccine studies are working weekends or having to review listings at 2am to avoid delays. Despite that, nobody is complaining. Everyone just says that they can't go anywhere anyway, so they might as work over the weekend.

We can't rush the data collection, but we've sized the studies so they can show safety and efficacy in a very short period of time, so anything the medical monitors can do to avoid delays is being done. The same is true for clinical, data management, safety, regulatory, and every other group involved from the study sites all the way to the statisticians. The entire industry knows that if the data is going to show another vaccine is safe and effective, getting that data cleaned and analyzed just one week faster means production ramps up a week earlier, and that could save a lot of lives. It's impressive.

[B]You know, with all silliness about the vaccines having weird side effects, when I was getting my shot, I was thinking it would be really cool if my Pfizer vaccine could give me super powers or maybe heal my rotator cuff injury as an unexpected side effect. Instead it just gave me a completely expected sore deltoid and some protection from the virus. [/B]

I know that sounds silly, but I mention it to show that someone like me, who knew exactly what was in it, how it was tested and what the data showed, was so unconcerned about side effects when they stuck the needle in my arm that I was entertaining myself with X-Men scenarios instead of worrying about an adverse reaction.[/QUOTE]

I am one shot in on Pfizer and penis is already about 30% larger. Am I the only one?

[QUOTE=mgftp;1637974733]I am one shot in on Pfizer and penis is already about 30% larger. Am I the only one?[/QUOTE]

I got both Pfizer shots....... Heading to the can
to check it out.

[QUOTE=mgftp;1637974733]I am one shot in on Pfizer and penis is already about 30% larger. Am I the only one?[/QUOTE]


LMAO, I will definitely be looking for Pfizer

[QUOTE=ljimd;1637974983]I got both Pfizer shots....... Heading to the can to check it out[/QUOTE]

Ha Ha, careful, it's all fun and games until someone loses an eye.



[b] Just got a text from Tater, all went well[/b]



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[QUOTE=ljimd;1637974633]Got the gun in '66 at Benning. Some flinched, some did not. The above is true.[/QUOTE]

'66 was a hell of time to pass through Ft Benning

[QUOTE=eomrat;1637977843]66' was a hell of time to pass through a Ft Benning[/QUOTE]

"Sand Hill" B-10-3 - a lifetime ago.