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Reading this last page is like reading a bunch of wannabe Dr Faucis stuck in a lonely corner of the world.......
Everyone has already forgotten the article Ben posted that exercise even just a little lessens the chance of hospitalization in Covid.
The only post worth while was lastchance not subjecting his employees to the vaccine, good job dude, you are a hero!
Other than that, get your azz to the gym!!!
[QUOTE=LWW;1640798933]Reading this last page is like reading a bunch of wannabe Dr Faucis stuck in a lonely corner of the world.......
Everyone has already forgotten the article Ben posted that exercise even just a little lessens the chance of hospitalization in Covid.
The only post worth while was lastchance not subjecting his employees to the vaccine, good job dude, you are a hero!
Other than that, get your azz to the gym!!![/QUOTE]
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Now what will the anti-Vaxxers say??
[url]https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/13/us/houston-methodist-covid-vaccine-lawsuit/index.html[/url]
Cliffs..employers CAN terminate for refusing covid vaccine. Atleast in Texas
[QUOTE=LWW;1640798933]Reading this last page is like reading a bunch of wannabe Dr Faucis stuck in a lonely corner of the world.......
Everyone has already forgotten the article Ben posted that exercise even just a little lessens the chance of hospitalization in Covid.
The only post worth while was lastchance not subjecting his employees to the vaccine, good job dude, you are a hero!
Other than that, get your azz to the gym!!![/QUOTE]
Imagine working out, eating healthy, and getting vaccinated.
[QUOTE=mgftp;1640808603]Imagine working out, eating healthy, and getting vaccinated.[/QUOTE]
I quit working out the day I got my 2nd shot. Didn’t directly think about what you said but yea kept getting injured - so I said fuk it. I’m just adding miles to my body.
I will start again soon. Miss lifting
[QUOTE=mgftp;1640808603]Imagine working out, eating healthy, and getting vaccinated.[/QUOTE]
No need to force people on #3, the first two have been proven already, but you can't get that advice from a skinny pencil neck fuking dwebt loser like Fauci, the man has achieved zero from a personal life perspective, his life and anything he says is controlled by strings.
[QUOTE=LWW;1640812733]No need to force people on #3, the first two have been proven already, but you can't get that advice from a skinny pencil neck fuking dwebt loser like Fauci, the man has achieved zero from a personal life perspective, his life and anything he says is controlled by strings.[/QUOTE]
I know you like to eat healthy and lift regularily. Can you remind us again why you got vaccinated?
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[QUOTE=Corbi;1640709223]
You know its coming along with the lawsuits over the vaccines, going to be huge money in this.[/QUOTE]Nope. Remember that the US government gave the vaccine companies liability waivers. Seriously.
The vaccine manufacturers CANNOT be sued as long as they did not willingly and knowingly make people sick with their drug cocktails.
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1640813323]I know you like to eat healthy and lift regularily. Can you remind us again why you got vaccinated?
[/QUOTE]
I will forever standby that I did NOT need a vaccine, I have to live with my wife, so I do what she says.
Unlike most of the paranoid maniacs in this thread, both my wife and me went to parties, went to restaurants, spend the night at relatives house who had covid at one point in time during all this, I NEVER wore a fuking mask at the gym. We never got covid, If I did get covid I would've continued to train, and as the article stated training even a little with covid reduced the risk of hospitalization.
Imagine getting vaccinated? Imagine getting the flu vaccine? I've never gotten a flu vaccine nor have I gotten the flu. What's that dumbazz's point?
[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1640774983]There's a movement called "HAEW" (healthy at every weight). Basically they assert 2 things.
1) While you're healthy there is no link to people's weight and incidence of disease and suggestion that there is any medical link between weight and health is both false and descriminatory
2) suggesting that some weight ranges are preferable in any way to others for any reason, e.g. can affect capability of performing a job, is descriminatory
I'd hoped that the huge black cloud that is COVID might bring a small silver lining such as the ability to sensibly discuss obesity and health without HAEW coming out (and claims of discrimination for linking weight and health). At one point I thought COVID was going to be break the HAEW BS, but no it seems that discussing weight/health still isn't popular or acceptable[/QUOTE]
I worked with two guys who were both age 52 one guy ranges from 320-360 depending on what he eats and he has developed diabetes, the other guy is like 130# and was our UPS guy, so he does physical thit all day along.
Both these guys have crappy diets but it was still interesting that the little guy was the one who ended up in the hospital first with open heart surgery, he was driving his truck one day and had to pull over and call 911.
The big can clean up his eating and exercise but he will never get down below 250, that’s about how much he weighed when he was 16. He would be much healthier at the 250 270 mark and if he’d train with weights would be a “special” person, he’s the strongest natural guy I’ve ever met.
[QUOTE=CommitmentRulz;1640813723]Nope. Remember that the US government gave the vaccine companies liability waivers. Seriously.
The vaccine manufacturers CANNOT be sued as long as they did not willingly and knowingly make people sick with their drug cocktails.[/QUOTE]
Someone will have a work around and I think its going to be more based around some PTSD bs about mask wearing, people suing local governments over the lockdowns and mask mandates.
[QUOTE=Corbi;1640823353]Someone will have a work around and I think its going to be more based around some PTSD bs about mask wearing, people suing local governments over the lockdowns and mask mandates.[/QUOTE]
Like Gandhi said: fuk 'em.
Maybe not out loud, but he thought it from time to time. :D
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1623478861]Just for sh!ts and giggles lets say a vaccine for covid is available early next month. Will you be rolling up your sleeve or turning the other cheek?
How about you?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=LWW;1623480431][b]No[/b], not even Trumps vaccine, I’ve not been sick free for decades, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=LWW;1640812733][b]No need to force people on #3[/b], the first two have been proven already, but you can't get that advice from a skinny pencil neck fuking dwebt loser like Fauci, the man has achieved zero from a personal life perspective, his life and anything he says is controlled by strings.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1640813323]I know you like to eat healthy and lift regularily. Can you remind us again why you got vaccinated?
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[QUOTE=LWW;1640815903]I will forever standby that I did NOT need a vaccine, I have to live with my wife, so I do what she says.
Imagine getting vaccinated? Imagine getting the flu vaccine? I've never gotten a flu vaccine nor have I gotten the flu. [b]What's that dumbazz's point?[/b][/QUOTE]
The point is, you didn't want the vaccine, even stated in the initial quote that you werent getting it. In fact you got the vaccine because someone else wanted you to, that is no diferent than someone getting it because their employer wanted them to, their next door neighbor or Fauchi wanting them to. You got something you said you weren't going to.
IMO that makes you a bigger hypocrite than someone who just got the vaccine because it was suggested, at least they didn't have their mind changed by someone else.
So the point is, you aren't any better than anyone else that got the jab, and in some cases worse. So get off your high horse before you fall off and break your neck you little fart.
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PS: All of this could have been avoided if you asked your wife about getting vaxxed before you shot your lips of and said you weren't getting it, like some kind of tough guy. :D
Our county has been pretty slow and had constant shortages, but they finally opened for my age group so got a time for Saturday. Just want this over with in case need some silly vaccine-passport later on for travel.
[QUOTE=TryingBB;1640806953]Now what will the anti-Vaxxers say??
[url]https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/13/us/houston-methodist-covid-vaccine-lawsuit/index.html[/url]
Cliffs..employers CAN terminate for refusing covid vaccine. Atleast in Texas[/QUOTE]I'm not an anti-shots person, yet. I simply want more information.
"It is a choice made to keep staff, patients, and their families safer. Bridges can freely choose to accept or refuse a COVID-19 vaccine; however if she refuses she will simply need to work somewhere else."
While I don't like the court's ruling, this is the United States. Private owners can make certain conditions for employment, as long as they are not discriminating against any 'protected class.' Go work somewhere else.
As I said in an earlier post, I am not forcing my employees to get shots. I am not asking whether they have had shots, as that is a breach of physician-patient privilege. Perhaps the attorneys in this hospital case should have argued on this latter point.
[QUOTE=KeepItMoving;1640843813]
I am not asking whether they have had shots, as that is a breach of physician-patient privilege. Perhaps the attorneys in this hospital case should have argued on this latter point.[/QUOTE]
I don't think this is true nor does it violate the ADA or HIPAA as of today. However, asking if one has ever had COVID might not be the best idea and could be seen in violation of the ADA.
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1640683093]I can't tell from that if they aren't recommending it now due to not having enough vaccine, or if the implication is they don't plan to ever recommend it. It does say they planned to recommend or offer it to kids down to 12 y/o starting this month, but I don't have time to look up the guidance.[/quote]
You'll never know since it's now completely obvious that mask guidelines have often followed lines other than "the science". At the beginning of the pandemic when it looked like people would stockpile on masks, they said people didn't need to wear masks. Then when they got enough masks available they said everybody must wear masks. Then they said you can make masks from a t-shirt because I guess they were low in real masks again. So who the hell knows. In a reputable European talk show they mentioned EMA (the European FDA) had published a chart with the various covid danger vs vaccine danger for all age groups, and for teenagers the vaccine danger is higher than the covid danger. But I haven't been able to find that chart so take it with a grain of salt.
[quote]Regardless, kids are considered a vulnerable population and almost any significant risk from the vaccine would be too much. Their mortality rate is tiny and the risk of MIS-C is probably only 1 in 100,000. I'm sure they're assessing the data on the potential cardiomyopathy link in teens and any other signals. Nobody wants to recommend vaccinating kids to reduce the risk for adults if we aren't sure it's safe for them! [/quote]
Again in a European talk show some demented governmental medical advisor said that "when the pandemic was going strong we had to push for vaccination no matter what. Now that things are getting better we can take a pause and consider the other factors like side effects". Basically, they knowingly downplayed any information regarding side effects or risks of the vaccine because all they wanted was for people to get vaccinated and if they got sick or died from it oh well, it was worth it for the rest of the people. Which is monstrous in my opinion. You can't sacrifice human beings for some "greater good" without telling them what you are doing and what can happen. People should make informed decisions, not be manipulated into something potentially dangerous. This chit makes me want to vomit.
[quote]Off topic, I have to say that I love how so many people are learning about how healthcare recommendations are made and why. After COVID, if we add some courses on micro and macro economics (with a section on comparative advantage), plus a little accounting and finance, we could actually wind up with a population that understands the garbage most of their politicians and media outlets throw at them. Unlikely, but healthcare decision making is a good start.[/QUOTE]
I like your optimism, I hope you are right.
[QUOTE=Jtbny;1640869093]I don't think this is true nor does it violate the ADA or HIPAA as of today. However, asking if one has ever had COVID might not be the best idea and could be seen in violation of the ADA.[/QUOTE]Thanks. What guidelines have you set for your employees?
[QUOTE=Jtbny;1640869093]I don't think this is true nor does it violate the ADA or HIPAA as of today. However, asking if one has ever had COVID might not be the best idea and could be seen in violation of the ADA.[/QUOTE]
It’s personal health information. A person can volunteer it, but demanding personal health information, then firing them? Lol seems like a slippery slope. What if someone was allergic, they would then have been terminated for a rather minor medical condition. What about religious exemption, this is also a protected class and I think if a good attorney got on this, and it went before a judge adjudicating on labor laws, that hospital will be fuked.
At the same time, in terms of ADA, what is a reasonable accommodation for someone who perhaps the vaccine doesn’t work on or cannot get it. A reasonable accommodation for such a deadly disease… Can you tell them they can put a shirt over their face for protection? That’s been the gold standard for 14 months now. Can you sit them in isolation and have them do “meaningful work”? Lots of decisions will be inbound.
[QUOTE=steffo99;1640842043]Our county has been pretty slow and had constant shortages, but they finally opened for my age group so got a time for Saturday. Just want this over with in case need some silly vaccine-passport later on for travel.[/QUOTE]
You’d let your government force your people into getting a vaccine in order to get a passport?
Smh
[QUOTE=TryingBB;1640806953]Now what will the anti-Vaxxers say??
[url]https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/13/us/houston-methodist-covid-vaccine-lawsuit/index.html[/url]
Cliffs..employers CAN terminate for refusing covid vaccine. Atleast in Texas[/QUOTE]
The beauty of the internet is.. you can find anything you want. Like signed and dated proof of vaccination card.
Fk authoritarians.
[QUOTE=illriginalized;1640886783]You’d let your government force your people into getting a vaccine in order to get a passport?
Smh[/QUOTe]
As opposed to what?
Do you suggest he somehow not let the government pass laws?
You have any suggestions on how he can go about that?
[QUOTE=eomrat;1640892673]As opposed to what?
Do you suggest he somehow not let the government pass laws?
You have any suggestions on how he can go about that?[/QUOTE]
It’s called protest. Essentially like Israel, if there’s a “green passport program”, you will not be able to travel freely. You’re virtually living in a prison.
[QUOTE=KeepItMoving;1640877943]Thanks. What guidelines have you set for your employees?[/QUOTE]
I have none but I do try and keep up with the laws while on sabbatical. ;)
[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1640885243]It’s personal health information. A person can volunteer it, but demanding personal health information, then firing them? Lol seems like a slippery slope. What if someone was allergic, they would then have been terminated for a rather minor medical condition. What about religious exemption, this is also a protected class and I think if a good attorney got on this, and it went before a judge adjudicating on labor laws, that hospital will be fuked.
[/QUOTE]
I didn't write the law. Its not a HIPAA nor a ADA violation to ask if someone is vaccinated no matter what scenario you throw at it. You'll also notice I said vaccine and not Covid for a reason. I would NOT ask if a potential new hire or a current employee had had Covid as that is real close to the line of ADA. But vaccines? No issue. You can then take each employee on a case by case basis.
I do not know what every single business is choosing to do with those who are already employed not getting the shot. Sounds like a nightmare and I'm glad not to have to deal with it :D I'm sure that this issue will end up in court too but using it as a screening is NOT a violation of anything unless something has changed in the last 6 months that I've missed.
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At the same time, in terms of ADA, what is a reasonable accommodation for someone who perhaps the vaccine doesn’t work on or cannot get it. A reasonable accommodation for such a deadly disease… Can you tell them they can put a shirt over their face for protection? That’s been the gold standard for 14 months now. Can you sit them in isolation and have them do “meaningful work”? Lots of decisions will be inbound.[/QUOTE]
Each business would need to decide what is reasonable for themselves. Its not a cookie cutter answer. The fact is, business can screen for vaccinated employees/potential employees so long as they are doing it for everyone. Will it be challenged in court? Yup but what KIM said was not factual.
I'd also add that I'd make it clear that all potential employees would be required (if the business leaders dictated) to be vaccinated as a condition of employment. Anyone can choose to apply or not. I would not want it to be a surprise and I would have my recruiters/screeners make it clear as to avoid any confusion. These decisions are typically filtered through counsel because lawyers need to get paid too. Then the free market can decide and the business can adjust, if necessary.
[QUOTE=illriginalized;1640893323]It’s called protest. Essentially like Israel, if there’s a “green passport program”, you will not be able to travel freely. You’re virtually living in a prison.[/QUOTE]
Right! And its all Steffo's fault for letting his government do this.
Don't you worry, though, Steffo will be taken care of as soon as Q takes over.
[QUOTE=illriginalized;1640886783]You’d let your government force your people into getting a vaccine in order to get a passport?
Smh[/QUOTE]Nope, I would be against all that and forced things in general (including taxes). I'm simply choosing to take it/comply here so I can go see the world if that's what it takes. You have to pick your battles, and this is not the one I would pick. I would much sooner invest energy protesting record numbers of senior citizens living in poverty despite having worked all life, as an example.
[QUOTE=steffo99;1640909953]I would much sooner invest energy protesting record numbers of senior citizens living in poverty despite having worked all life, as an example.[/QUOTE]
"[i]You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to steffo99 again.[/i]"
Same here, can't rep him for you.
[QUOTE=sy2502;1640870973]You'll never know since it's now completely obvious that mask guidelines have often followed lines other than "the science". At the beginning of the pandemic when it looked like people would stockpile on masks, they said people didn't need to wear masks. Then when they got enough masks available they said everybody must wear masks. Then they said you can make masks from a t-shirt because I guess they were low in real masks again. So who the hell knows. In a reputable European talk show they mentioned EMA (the European FDA) had published a chart with the various covid danger vs vaccine danger for all age groups, and for teenagers the vaccine danger is higher than the covid danger. But I haven't been able to find that chart so take it with a grain of salt.
Again in a European talk show some demented governmental medical advisor said that "when the pandemic was going strong we had to push for vaccination no matter what. Now that things are getting better we can take a pause and consider the other factors like side effects". Basically, they knowingly downplayed any information regarding side effects or risks of the vaccine because all they wanted was for people to get vaccinated and if they got sick or died from it oh well, it was worth it for the rest of the people. Which is monstrous in my opinion. You can't sacrifice human beings for some "greater good" without telling them what you are doing and what can happen. People should make informed decisions, not be manipulated into something potentially dangerous. This chit makes me want to vomit.
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There's some truth in what you said about mask confusion, but you're bringing up an unrelated issues. It's not related to my not being able to figure out what the actual German guidance is from a news article. The guidance is available to the public and I could ask a colleague to read it in German if if an approved English translation wasn't available. I just can't tell what their pediatric guidance is from that link.
On the second part, you're providing one person's opinion as proof that somebody or some government may have pushed something unsafe. They may not even have meant it in the way it sounds. People do tend to speak figuratively, and if you asked that person if anything unsafe was recommended, who knows what they'd say. It's always possible one person speaking to the news is correct, but it isn't proof of anything. It's why I have been repeatedly saying everyone should make an attempt to read the scientific papers they're using as proof that something is safe, dangerous, or effective when it comes to vaccines or treatments for COVID.
I haven't looked at the data on kids under 16, but I have been watching the numbers on cardiomyopathy and other side effects in young adults. I have kids and nieces and nephews and so do my friends, so I get asked about that frequently. I don't think any risk data has been downplayed. In most cases it's the opposite because nobody against the vaccine is considering relative risk, they're just looking at raw numbers and using them to scare people. 300 cases of something sounds terrifying, but if it's 300 out of 30,000,000 people who received 2 doses of the vaccine, and the number of cases caused by the virus is in the 2% range, with .3% being clinically detectable, you start to realize that the vaccine is again much safer than the virus. Because now you're talking about 1 in a 100,000 versus 3 in a 1000 for the virus. If you have a 0.3% chance of being infected in the next couple of years, the vaccine is still looking pretty good. Even so, the guidance isn't static, it evolves, so now maybe you look at 1 vs 2 doses, you take into account the current incidence and prevalence, and you keep re-evaluating it. Those numbers I posted aren't up to date, and I rounded up the most recent cases of myocarditis because I'm sure we'll get more reports, but the point is, the people writing the recommendations are being careful. They're not making decisions based on a news clip of someone saying the vaccine is dangerous or that the sky is falling, and you shouldn't either. If you're concerned about something, you should try to understand the numbers. You have access to them.