Will you get vaccinated?

[QUOTE=LWW;1636048843]I’m not a musical genius, in fact I’m a complete novice, if that even.

Idk why you can tell me what I like and don’t like.

If Zappa thought that solo was garbage to laugh at me, fine, I’ve listened to that solo about 10 times in the last 2 weeks and I continue to like it.

But something else you don’t know is that I enjoy the very early Mother’s live shows like sleeping in a jar, this goes beyond his guitar stuff, I love the drums and the horns and I really love the annoying voice of Roy Estrada laughing like a lunatic, no other music has that.

I’d love to have a chitty garage band and just do chit like that, but I’m not talented enough, I’m probially a better at lifting.[/QUOTE]

You should check out Allan Holdsworth. He looks like a dad playing guitar, but he was Zappa’s favorite guitarist for a reason.

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[QUOTE=7Seconds;1636049433]You should check out Allan Holdsworth. He looks like a dad playing guitar, but he was Zappa’s favorite guitarist for a reason.

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I will, but I probably won't like it as much as Zappa. Hell I don't even like Steve Vai's music, I can't get into it, and that ain't garbage.

What eomrat don't get is, to me, the Mothers sound is something I find truly unique and I can defiantly admit some of it sounds like garbage, but it's good garbage and like I said, I'm not talented enough for that, BUT I can play easy BS like AC/DC stuff, not perfect but better than I can play any Zappa.

Even Zappa said in an interview the Mothers means "collection of motherfukers, musicians" but we are far from great, Frank said "we were right there down in the swamp", If motorhead didn't really know how to play that big sax, well he sure of chit made that sound nice with fast garbage he was playing.

Speaking of "fast" Zappa was really fast in the late 60's and that was pretty rare too, even it was easy notes to king eomrat!

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1636017413]Yes Sir, still about vaccines, there has been a bit of a lull so this is a musical interlude until things pick back up.[/QUOTE]
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LOL, popcorn, just what we needed


Now back to the Vaccines

Getting my virus juice today boyos. Can't wait.

[QUOTE=mgftp;1636086673]Getting my virus juice today boyos. Can't wait.[/QUOTE]


Excellent. Good stuff Brother

The FDA and CDC have announced that they are calling for an immediate pause on the use of the single-dose Johnson & Johnson vaccine on Tuesday after discovering six cases in the United States of a rare and severe type of blood clot that developed about two weeks after the vaccine was administered in these patients.

[url]https://abcnews.go.com/US/us-calls-halt-johnson-johnson-vaccination-blood-clot/story?id=77040882&cid=social_twitter_abcn[/url]

The Australian government decided against buying the single-dose Johnson & Johnson coronavirus vaccine and identified a second case of a rare blood clot likely linked to the AstraZeneca shot




[url]https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/australia-rules-adding-jj-vaccine-inoculation-plan-77038137[/url]

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[QUOTE=mtpockets;1636087243]The FDA and CDC have announced that they are calling for an immediate pause on the use of the single-dose Johnson & Johnson vaccine on Tuesday after discovering six cases in the United States of a rare and severe type of blood clot that developed about two weeks after the vaccine was administered in these patients.

[url]https://abcnews.go.com/US/us-calls-halt-johnson-johnson-vaccination-blood-clot/story?id=77040882&cid=social_twitter_abcn[/url][/QUOTE]But, but, but these are highly tested and safe! ;-)

[QUOTE=CommitmentRulz;1636092873]But, but, but these are highly tested and safe! ;-)[/QUOTE]

Out of seven million people who got the J&J vaccine, six got blood clots. Fewer than one in a million.

Out of seven million people who get Covid19, over a million will get blood clots.

Not saying the pause is not justified, but put it in perspective: you're two-hundred thousand times more likely to get blood clots from the virus than you are from the vaccine.

Again, they should pause while they check things out.

Here are some numbers relative to the AZ vaccine:

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[QUOTE=Gabbar99;1636094203]Out of seven million people who got the J&J vaccine, six got blood clots. Fewer than one in a million.

Out of seven million people who get Covid19, over a million will get blood clots.

Not saying the pause is not justified, but put it in perspective: you're two-hundred thousand times more likely to get blood clots from the virus than you are from the vaccine.

Again, they should pause while they check things out.

Here are some numbers relative to the AZ vaccine:

[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EywvVJ_XMAAWWgV?format=jpg&name=900x900[/img][/QUOTE]But you can still get the virus AFTER vaccination, too. 6 reported so far...

Its amazing. When covid started, if you were in a car wreck and died, it was likely a covid death. (only a SLIGHT exaggeration.) Now, it's almost impossible for anything to be linked to the vaccinates.

[QUOTE=CommitmentRulz;1636094393]But you can still get the virus AFTER vaccination, too. 6 reported so far...

Its amazing. When covid started, if you were in a car wreck and died, it was likely a covid death. (only a SLIGHT exaggeration.) Now, it's almost impossible for anything to be linked to the vaccinates.[/QUOTE]


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Fwiw, im 4 days out from second shot, no issues. Will i still get covid, who knows? But i decided best to cut my chances down as low as could. Bottom line for me is this $hit needs to go away from my life, if vacc helps so be it

[QUOTE=CommitmentRulz;1636094393]But you can still get the virus AFTER vaccination, too. 6 reported so far...

Its amazing. When covid started, if you were in a car wreck and died, it was likely a covid death. (only a SLIGHT exaggeration.) Now, it's almost impossible for anything to be linked to the vaccinates.[/QUOTE]

Something else "amazing". When C19 started parrots were saying it was less lethal than the flu and more people die from the OG flu. Now, you don't hear that tired argument anymore. But 6 cases out of almost 7m shots and here come the anti vax brigade...

Serious Post

For everyone here who's received a Covid vaccine, I applaud you, wish you the best, and sincerely hope you will not have any long term negative effects from the vaccine.

I have yet to receive a vaccine and must admit I'm becoming a tad skittish based on what I'm reading the last few weeks, so I'm turning to the one person online who I trust will give me the straight scoop based on what he knows. My sole objective being to broaden my current perspective so I can make informed decisions in the coming weeks/months.

[b]PlateauPlower:[/b] I saw you posted the other day that you plan to hold off on getting a vaccine which I took as a serious comment. At your convenience, can you please elaborate and share your thoughts on the subject so that I may make the most informed decision possible. Rest assured that I will not hold you accountable for the contents of your opinion, as I ultimately make my own decisions and therefore assume full responsibility for the outcome. :)

I'm doing this in a post rather than a PM cuz I think others here will benefit from PP's thoughtful and informed reply.

EDIT: No pressure, PP Dude. :D

[QUOTE=Jtbny;1636097313]Something else "amazing". When C19 started parrots were saying it was less lethal than the flu and more people die from the OG flu. Now, you don't hear that tired argument anymore. But 6 cases out of almost 7m shots and here come the anti vax brigade...[/QUOTE]I'm not anti vax. But I am opposed in THIS specific case - for myself and my family.

Why? They rushed an unapproved, limited tested vaccine. 2 weeks ago they announced the Pfizer vaccine was good for up to 6 months and was XXX% effective - AFTER giving millions of shots (to what were effectively "test" subjects.) If people are willing to be test subjects, so be it. I decline. If that makes me an evil person or something, then so be it.

Let's don't forget that, in a very unusual and rare case, the US government gave IMMUNITY to all the vaccine companies. As an added bonus, this amazing "vaccine" doesn't prevent you from getting COVID or from spreading COVID.

[QUOTE=CommitmentRulz;1636098463]I'm not anti vax. But I am opposed in THIS specific case - for myself and my family.

Why? [B]They rushed an unapproved, limited tested vaccine.[/b] 2 weeks ago they announced the Pfizer vaccine was good for up to 6 months and was XXX% effective - AFTER giving millions of shots (to what were effectively "test" subjects.) If people are willing to be test subjects, so be it. I decline. If that makes me an evil person or something, then so be it.

Let's don't forget that, in a very unusual and rare case, the US government gave IMMUNITY to all the vaccine companies. As an added bonus, this amazing "vaccine" doesn't prevent you from getting COVID or from spreading COVID.[/QUOTE]

Appears all 3 approved vaccines in the US have gone through the standard clinical trial and FDA approval process from what I can see. Do you have some other information you can share with us?

[QUOTE=mgftp;1636098773]Appears all 3 approved vaccines in the US have gone through the standard clinical trial and FDA approval process from what I can see. Do you have some other information you can share with us?[/QUOTE]
FWIW, this dude raises some solid points which give me cause for concern.

[url=https://www.deconstructingconventional.com/post/18-reason-i-won-t-be-getting-a-covid-vaccine]18 Reasons I Won't Be Getting a Covid Vaccine[/url]

Can't find any credentials on the dude, but he provides many seemingly legit references to support his points, which at the very least offer useful sources of information for independent analysis.

[QUOTE=CommitmentRulz;1636098463]I'm not anti vax. But I am opposed in THIS specific case - for myself and my family.

Why? They rushed an unapproved, limited tested vaccine. 2 weeks ago they announced the Pfizer vaccine was good for up to 6 months and was XXX% effective - AFTER giving millions of shots (to what were effectively "test" subjects.) If people are willing to be test subjects, so be it. I decline. If that makes me an evil person or something, then so be it.

Let's don't forget that, in a very unusual and rare case, the US government gave IMMUNITY to all the vaccine companies. As an added bonus, this amazing "vaccine" doesn't prevent you from getting COVID or from spreading COVID.[/QUOTE]

I totally respect your decision even if I disagree w/ your reasoning. Also no argument from me about the immunity given to companies although I do understand the reasoning behind it.

And just because this "amazing vaccine" isnt 100% at preventing c19 are you suggesting we just toss it? Its already shown to drastically limit the spread and the severity if you were to get rona. In an ideal world we would have had more time to test it long term but we all know that wasn't the case. So what was the alternative?

[QUOTE=ChazWood;1636099603]FWIW, this dude raises some solid points which give me cause for concern.

[url=https://www.deconstructingconventional.com/post/18-reason-i-won-t-be-getting-a-covid-vaccine]18 Reasons I Won't Be Getting a Covid Vaccine[/url]

Can't find any credentials on the dude, but he provides many seemingly legit references to support his points, which at the very least offer useful sources of information for independent analysis.[/QUOTE]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but if you are going to read that link (I just skimmed the begining to make my judgement) keep in mind the bias of the person writing their article. It should be obvious and seem extreme. You are right, he makes some points that are good information for someone making their own decision, although the bias should be equally considered as his many biased claims are somewhat laughable to me. In the end I am not seeing any hard evidence here that directly leads to indicating risk of getting vaccinated outweighs benefits.

As far as the poster I replied to I do not know his post history as I am in and out of this thread but anyone saying something like "They rushed an unapproved, limited tested vaccine" will make me question their knowledge on the subject because I believe that to be false until I am provided with information proving otherwise. It's a pretty bold seemingly factual statement many people are making without evidence (that I am aware of).

[QUOTE=mgftp;1636098773]Appears all 3 approved vaccines in the US have gone through the standard clinical trial and FDA approval process from what I can see. Do you have some other information you can share with us?[/QUOTE]

There was nothing standard about it. Look up EUA.

[QUOTE=Jtbny;1636099893]So what was the alternative?[/QUOTE]

Herd immunity and continue with our lives. Let nature do it's thing.

This is not that serious of a virus, arguably a little worse than the flu. Are we really going to take this approach every time a virus gets loose?

A virus is a pretty standard way to die. Most of my grandparents died in their mid 90s, all were viruses. They should have died long before that from pneumonia or the flu, but modern medicine is extending lives further than our brains can function.

[QUOTE=Jtbny;1636099893]I totally respect your decision even if I disagree w/ your reasoning. Also no argument from me about the immunity given to companies although I do understand the reasoning behind it.

And just because this "amazing vaccine" isnt 100% at preventing c19 are you suggesting we just toss it? Its already shown to drastically limit the spread and the severity if you were to get rona. In an ideal world we would have had more time to test it long term but we all know that wasn't the case. So what was the alternative?[/QUOTE]

Just as with masking, it is all about relative risk rather than black/white yes/no that so many seem to get caught in here.
The vaccine (was with most vaccines) doesn't 100% prevent contracting the illness, but there is pretty strong evidence so far that is hugely reduces risk.... and that while there are adverse reactions (as with ALL medical interventions), on balance the number of deaths and illnesses prevented is highly significant.

I get that folks don't want to be a guinea pig, and agree that this was certainly 'rushed' compared to the usual process.

So far what I'm seeing is pretty positive for the population as a whole.

[QUOTE=_zman;1636102913]There was nothing standard about it. Look up EUA.



Herd immunity and continue with our lives. Let nature do it's thing.

This is not that serious of a virus, arguably a little worse than the flu. Are we really going to take this approach every time a virus gets loose?

A virus is a pretty standard way to die. Most of my grandparents died in their mid 90s, all were viruses. They should have died long before that from pneumonia or the flu, but modern medicine is extending lives further than our brains can function.[/QUOTE]


Glad you are just an armchair quarter back and not in charge virus related issues on a large scale.

[QUOTE=_zman;1636102913]There was nothing standard about it. Look up EUA.



Herd immunity and continue with our lives. Let nature do it's thing.

This is not that serious of a virus, arguably a little worse than the flu. Are we really going to take this approach every time a virus gets loose?

A virus is a pretty standard way to die. Most of my grandparents died in their mid 90s, all were viruses. They should have died long before that from pneumonia or the flu, but modern medicine is extending lives further than our brains can function.[/QUOTE]

The poster I responded to said "They rushed an unapproved, limited tested vaccine"

EUA certainly doesn't mean unapproved, the vaccines still must be FDA approved. Limited testing can be argued. I guess my issue with what people that seem anti vaccine say is it often implies there were no clinical trials done when that certainly isn't the case.

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1636103883]Glad you are just an armchair quarter back and not in charge virus related issues on a large scale.[/QUOTE]

I work in the medical field. A lot of us are shunned to voice our opinions, similar to what you're doing now. Oh well, honestly. We're all free to have our own opinions on life. God forbid we ever let nature take it's course. Or was this nature related? We still don't know that either.

[QUOTE=Jtbny;1636097313]Something else "amazing". When C19 started parrots were saying it was less lethal than the flu and more people die from the OG flu. Now, you don't hear that tired argument anymore. But 6 cases out of almost 7m shots and here come the anti vax brigade...[/QUOTE]


Is it really amazing?

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1636103883]Glad you are just an armchair quarter back and not in charge virus related issues on a large scale.[/QUOTE]

I Would rather have that arm chair guy in charge than you or your guy Fauci!

[QUOTE=mgftp;1636104163]The poster I responded to said "They rushed an unapproved, limited tested vaccine"

EUA certainly doesn't mean unapproved, the vaccines still must be FDA approved. Limited testing can be argued. I guess my issue with what people that seem anti vaccine say is it often implies there were no clinical trials done when that certainly isn't the case.[/QUOTE]

Limited testing? Out of almost 7 million J&J vaccine receivers, 6 WOMEN aged 18-48 developed blood clots. Hmmm..

Maybe it's impossible to have 7 million people in clinical trials before you release the vaccine lol.

Btw..critical thinking challenge...what is something that most women 18-48 do that also may increase the risk of blood clots?

[QUOTE=LWW;1636105363]I Would rather have that arm chair guy in charge than you or your guy Fauci![/QUOTE]


of course you do, birds of a feather.. You are another one that I am glad isn't in a position of power.