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[QUOTE=Cass40;1636105473]Limited testing? Out of almost 7 million J&J vaccine receivers, 6 WOMEN aged 18-48 developed blood clots. Hmmm..
Maybe it's impossible to have 7 million people in clinical trials before you release the vaccine lol.
Btw..critical thinking challenge...what is something that most women 18-48 do that also may increase the risk of blood clots?[/QUOTE]
I find the all women thing interesting, I wonder why that is?
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1636106123]I find the all women thing interesting, I wonder why that is?[/QUOTE]
Think.
[QUOTE=Cass40;1636106313]Think.[/QUOTE]
ha ha
Answer
get your swimsuit ready.......
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Chlorinated swimming pool water can kill COVID virus in just 30 SECONDS, study finds
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[QUOTE=Cass40;1636106313]Think.[/QUOTE]
lmao
Asking a lot of your average miscer.
Who here wants to die from blood clots? Any volunteer please email Johnson and Johnson for more information.
Took the pcr-test today after some coughing a few days. Probably nothing, but wanna make sure so don't spread any. If it is my time, I leave all my booty pics to IC.
[QUOTE=steffo99;1636110343]Took the pcr-test today after some coughing a few days. Probably nothing, but wanna make sure so don't spread any. If it is my time, I leave all my booty pics to IC.[/QUOTE]
Good luck brother hope it's nothing..
[QUOTE=MinisterOfLust;1636110203]Who here wants to die from blood clots? Any volunteer please email Johnson and Johnson for more information.[/QUOTE]
You have a two-hundred thousand times lower chance of getting blood clots from the vaccine than from Covid.
And one of the women who got the blood clots from the vaccine, again it's out of 7 million who got the vaccine, died. That's one too many, but if you want to die from blood clots, there are many ways to do it with better odds.
[QUOTE=PhDPepper1111;1636103513]Just as with masking, it is all about relative risk rather than black/white yes/no that so many seem to get caught in here.
The vaccine (was with most vaccines) doesn't 100% prevent contracting the illness, but there is pretty strong evidence so far that is hugely reduces risk.... and that while there are adverse reactions (as with ALL medical interventions), on balance the number of deaths and illnesses prevented is highly significant.
I get that folks don't want to be a guinea pig, and agree that this was certainly 'rushed' compared to the usual process.
So far what I'm seeing is pretty positive for the population as a whole.[/QUOTE]
Good post. (On spread)
[QUOTE=_zman;1636102913]
Herd immunity and continue with our lives. Let nature do it's thing. [/QUOTE]
Well that was working out real well.
[QUOTE]This is not that serious of a virus, arguably a little worse than the flu. Are we really going to take this approach every time a virus gets loose? [/QUOTE]
I commend you for sticking to that weak comparison to the flu. In the face of all the evidence to the contrary you're just going to go w/that argument?
Hopefully when the next one hits we've learned a thing or two and have an adult in charge. The Rock would have just dropped the Peoples Elbow on c19 and we'd be back to normal.
Rock 2024
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A virus is a pretty standard way to die. Most of my grandparents died in their mid 90s, all were viruses. They should have died long before that from pneumonia or the flu, but modern medicine is extending lives further than our brains can function.[/QUOTE]
Ok what's the point here? Medicine can save lives. But you're arguing herd immunity? Sorry, not following you w/this.
[QUOTE=LWW;1636105153]Is it really amazing?[/QUOTE]
The person I was responding to used that term but as far as speed to market and efficacy I'd say it's above average.
[QUOTE=Gabbar99;1636119943]You have a two-hundred thousand times lower chance of getting blood clots from the vaccine than from Covid.
And one of the women who got the blood clots from the vaccine, again it's out of 7 million who got the vaccine, died. That's one too many, but if you want to die from blood clots, there are many ways to do it with better odds.[/QUOTE]
This. And even responding to his dumb azz comments could give me a blood clot. I'll stick w/ JJ
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1636106033]of course you do, birds of a feather.. You are another one that I am glad isn't in a position of power.[/QUOTE]
If I were to run for something, I would tell people to think for themselves and I would have a slogan with a pic of someone pointing a finger at someone while looking at a policeman that says “didn’t your mama teach you not to point fingers”. It’s a anti gubmit Taddle tale slogan.
It’s funny you wouldn’t like it since in the past you have insulted those people that can’t mind their own business?
[QUOTE=Gabbar99;1636119943]You have a two-hundred thousand times lower chance of getting blood clots from the vaccine than from Covid.
And one of the women who got the blood clots from the vaccine, again it's out of 7 million who got the vaccine, died. That's one too many, but if you want to die from blood clots, there are many ways to do it with better odds.[/QUOTE]
But that suck so bad, you take a vaccine thinking it saves you, then kills you. I think I’d be happier dying from taking my risks at living life.
[QUOTE=LWW;1636132303]If I were to run for something, I would tell people to think for themselves and I would have a slogan with a pic of someone pointing a finger at someone while looking at a policeman that says “didn’t your mama teach you not to point fingers”. It’s a anti gubmit Taddle tale slogan.
It’s funny you wouldn’t like it since in the past you have insulted those people that can’t mind their own business?[/QUOTE]
what the fuk are you beaking off about now?
My little cousin took the vaccine last week and now her face is swollen like a balloon. Wtf man..
[QUOTE=ChazWood;1636098023]Serious Post
For everyone here who's received a Covid vaccine, I applaud you, wish you the best, and sincerely hope you will not have any long term negative effects from the vaccine.
I have yet to receive a vaccine and must admit I'm becoming a tad skittish based on what I'm reading the last few weeks, so I'm turning to the one person online who I trust will give me the straight scoop based on what he knows. My sole objective being to broaden my current perspective so I can make informed decisions in the coming weeks/months.
[b]PlateauPlower:[/b] I saw you posted the other day that you plan to hold off on getting a vaccine which I took as a serious comment. At your convenience, can you please elaborate and share your thoughts on the subject so that I may make the most informed decision possible. Rest assured that I will not hold you accountable for the contents of your opinion, as I ultimately make my own decisions and therefore assume full responsibility for the outcome. :)
I'm doing this in a post rather than a PM cuz I think others here will benefit from PP's thoughtful and informed reply.
EDIT: No pressure, PP Dude. :D[/QUOTE]
If I was not nearly 100% sure that I already had covid, and therefore have post infection immunity, I would get the vaccine. It’s a game of odds. Chances are good that if you get covid you would be just fine, but there’s also a chance you could have a bad outcome from it (there are some younger healthy people who have died from it, some have had long term issues, and we don’t know what impact it has on longer term cardiovascular health). The chances of a negative outcome from the vaccine are lower than the chances of a negative outcome from the virus IMO.
Now if I lived out in the middle of nowhere and didn’t have a lot of interaction with random people (mtpockets) I wouldn’t be in as much of a hurry, because my chances of contracting it would be reduced, but I’d probably still get it. The reason I wouldn’t be in a hurry is it’s just more data to base a decision on. There is a remote (unlikely imo ) possibility that covid could mutate enough that vaccines would need to be tweaked requiring a new vaccine. Again this has not happened yet and we’d know it because numbers would skyrocket as post infection immunity might also not recognize a significantly different antigen.
I have not been concerned for myself or my family throughout the duration of this because once the symptoms were known, I knew we had already had it (my son was the only one who was asymptomatic of the 4 of us). Knowing what I know about pathogens, I am confident that post infection immunity will be effective. After all the vaccine is simply activating your own immune system for specific proteins.
What I had (pretty confident it was covid) was unique, and I recall even thinking this is one weird fukin cold, especially the shortness of breath. I also had fatigue for a total of nearly 2 months (6 weeks at least), and chest and lung pain toward the end of the 10 days or so that I was actually sick that made me think I might be getting pneumonia. I didn’t feel like death or anything throughout the entire thing, but I wasn’t “well” either.
That said, getting a vaccine is a personal decision that everyone needs to make for themselves based on their lives, health, family etc, but IMHO vaccine is much safer than rolling the dice with the virus. I probably would have taken my first jab of moderna yesterday if I didn’t believe I was already immune.
People shouldn’t be mandated to get vaccinated for this imo, but medically it is probably a good decision, especially if you or people you are around are in a higher risk category. Even for younger adults, I’d be willing to bet, when the dust settles there will be more young / healthy people dead from the virus than the vaccine. However, any vaccine is not completely without risk, which is why we will be sitting this one out, since it is not necessary since we already had the actual virus (again IMHO).
[QUOTE=Cass40;1636105473]
Btw..critical thinking challenge...what is something that most women 18-48 do that also may increase the risk of blood clots?[/QUOTE]
Please don't let be fcking! :D
[QUOTE=bodyhard;1636147683]Please don't let be fcking! :D[/QUOTE]
It's related to that :)
This thread needs some real hip hop, RIP DMX Ruff Riders for life..
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[QUOTE=Cass40;1636147793]It's related to that :)[/QUOTE]
Noo not the blow jobs??? :(
[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1636135433]If I was not nearly 100% sure that I already had covid, and therefore have post infection immunity, I would get the vaccine. It’s a game of odds. Chances are good that if you get covid you would be just fine, but there’s also a chance you could have a bad outcome from it (there are some younger healthy people who have died from it, some have had long term issues, and we don’t know what impact it has on longer term cardiovascular health). The chances of a negative outcome from the vaccine are lower than the chances of a negative outcome from the virus IMO.
Now if I lived out in the middle of nowhere and didn’t have a lot of interaction with random people (mtpockets) I wouldn’t be in as much of a hurry, because my chances of contracting it would be reduced, but I’d probably still get it. The reason I wouldn’t be in a hurry is it’s just more data to base a decision on. There is a remote (unlikely imo ) possibility that covid could mutate enough that vaccines would need to be tweaked requiring a new vaccine. Again this has not happened yet and we’d know it because numbers would skyrocket as post infection immunity might also not recognize a significantly different antigen.
I have not been concerned for myself or my family throughout the duration of this because once the symptoms were known, I knew we had already had it (my son was the only one who was asymptomatic of the 4 of us). Knowing what I know about pathogens, I am confident that post infection immunity will be effective. After all the vaccine is simply activating your own immune system for specific proteins.
What I had (pretty confident it was covid) was unique, and I recall even thinking this is one weird fukin cold, especially the shortness of breath. I also had fatigue for a total of nearly 2 months (6 weeks at least), and chest and lung pain toward the end of the 10 days or so that I was actually sick that made me think I might be getting pneumonia. I didn’t feel like death or anything throughout the entire thing, but I wasn’t “well” either.
That said, getting a vaccine is a personal decision that everyone needs to make for themselves based on their lives, health, family etc, but IMHO vaccine is much safer than rolling the dice with the virus. I probably would have taken my first jab of moderna yesterday if I didn’t believe I was already immune.
People shouldn’t be mandated to get vaccinated for this imo, but medically it is probably a good decision, especially if you or people you are around are in a higher risk category. Even for younger adults, I’d be willing to bet, when the dust settles there will be more young / healthy people dead from the virus than the vaccine. However, any vaccine is not completely without risk, which is why we will be sitting this one out, since it is not necessary since we already had the actual virus (again IMHO).[/QUOTE]
That's exactly the relevant insight I was expecting which is very helpful. Thanks Brother Dude. :)
[QUOTE=bodyhard;1636148153]Noo not the blow jobs??? :([/QUOTE]
No cos if that were the case, it would be the gay peeps getting blood clots too.. :D
[QUOTE=bodyhard;1636148153]Noo not the blow jobs??? :([/QUOTE]
Some birth control increases risk of blood clots.
[QUOTE=ChazWood;1636148293]That's exactly the relevant insight I was expecting which is very helpful. Thanks Brother Dude. :)[/QUOTE]
YW - I’m not a doctor though lol just some random on the Internet.
[QUOTE=Cass40;1636148983]No cos if that were the case, it would be the gay peeps getting blood clots too.. :D[/QUOTE]
I hear that IEDs can increase the risk of blood loss....
[QUOTE=Cass40;1636148983]No cos if that were the case, it would be the gay peeps getting blood clots too.. :D[/QUOTE]
Yeah well I don't care about them so :D :D
[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1636149193]Some birth control increases risk of blood clots.[/QUOTE]
Damn seriously?
[QUOTE=Gabbar99;1636119943]You have a two-hundred thousand times lower chance of getting blood clots from the vaccine than from Covid.
And one of the women who got the blood clots from the vaccine, again it's out of 7 million who got the vaccine, died. That's one too many, but if you want to die from blood clots, there are many ways to do it with better odds.[/QUOTE]
It does seem odd that they are pausing the vaccine for 6 cases out of 7 million. The risks of a serious adverse event from Tylenol, Advil, or aspirin is considerably higher than this. I would guess that this would be well within the acceptable range for adverse events.
[QUOTE=Karl_Hungus;1636149743]It does seem odd that they are pausing the vaccine for 6 cases out of 7 million. The risks of a serious adverse event from Tylenol, Advil, or aspirin is considerably higher than this. I would guess that this would be well within the acceptable range for adverse events.[/QUOTE]
Well J&J did just have to recall like 15 million doses or something due to contamination. Kinda makes them have to pause it for a minute just not to appear to be hiding something. Unless it’s more having issues, but with various social media outlets and communication I don’t think that kind of info would be easily suppressed if it were happening a large scale.
[QUOTE=Karl_Hungus;1636149743]It does seem odd that they are pausing the vaccine for 6 cases out of 7 million. [/QUOTE]
there's no mandates, it's basically just a suggestion to hold off...
I think they're just trying to cover theirs ass's just in case.
[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1636149463]YW - I’m not a doctor though lol just some random on the Internet. [/QUOTE]
See, that statement right there is why you're the WBP. :D
[QUOTE=Karl_Hungus;1636149743]It does seem odd that they are pausing the vaccine for 6 cases out of 7 million. The risks of a serious adverse event from Tylenol, Advil, or aspirin is considerably higher than this. I would guess that this would be well within the acceptable range for adverse events.[/QUOTE]
If I gotta headache, I mean bad enough to take an asprin, well then chit if it kills me then it's worth a shot (I generally keep ice on my head all day, and that works).
But if I'm feeling fine and take this fuking vax to make some else feel good, and it does something........................
BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[QUOTE=LWW;1636150803]If I gotta headache, I mean bad enough to take an asprin, well then chit if it kills me then it's worth a shot (I generally keep ice on my head all day, and that works).
But if I'm feeling fine and take this fuking vax to make some else feel good, and it does something........................
BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/QUOTE]
This makes perfect cents :confused: