Will you get vaccinated?

[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1641519003]The guy is right in that vaccination should be individual choice not coercion and it shouldn't have been emergency approved rather than following usual process (albeit accelerated) as that just opens doubts[/QUOTE]

I’m fine with emergency use, it was the only way to get it out soon enough to matter. However, that application should be reserved for the high risk groups, and those who willingly accept the possible risk of vaccination over the risk of the disease. The coercive methods of sticking a needle in anything that moves with an emergency use vaccine is nonsensical. It’s an individual choice based on personal health conditions/ concerns.

Wife and I received our 2nd Pfizer Tuesday. Had our name on a standby list, initially was supposed to wait till mid September. I felt worse after the first dose...which gave me mild side effects. This time only a little tired yesterday. Still got my workouts Wednesday and Today in. Starting next weekend allowing my two boys to have their friends over. Wife returns to work (hairstylist) next week, just in time for that.

How do these vaccines work against the Delta variant?

[QUOTE=_zman;1641589883]How do these vaccines work against the Delta variant?[/QUOTE]

Read an article from the uk saying the Pfizer was effective against it. Haven't heard anything about the others

[QUOTE=_zman;1641589883]How do these vaccines work against the Delta variant?[/QUOTE]

Not great but generally speaking, you won't end up on a ventilator. At least that is what is being said.

Guessing this stuff is like sports betting to a degree. How will the Dallas cowboys and Washington red..... play this season.

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COVID-19 vaccines made by AstraZeneca and the Pfizer-BioNTech alliance remain broadly effective against Delta and Kappa variants of the COVID-19 causing virus, which were first identified in India, according to a scientific study, underpinning a continued push to deliver the shots.

Today Veteran's Affairs (my employer) announced that they will be giving 4 hours of admin leave/paid time off for folks that are fully vaccinated. Ambivalent about that.
Almost everyone in my family is fully vaccinated - and I'll be happy to take the time off. Just not sure how ethical it is to bribe people regarding their health decisions.

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[QUOTE=PhDPepper1111;1641595173]Today Veteran's Affairs (my employer) announced that they will be giving 4 hours of admin leave/paid time off for folks that are fully vaccinated. Ambivalent about that.
Almost everyone in my family is fully vaccinated - and I'll be happy to take the time off. Just not sure how ethical it is to bribe people regarding their health decisions.[/QUOTE]

FFS....lol

[QUOTE=PhDPepper1111;1641595173]Today Veteran's Affairs (my employer) announced that they will be giving 4 hours of admin leave/paid time off for folks that are fully vaccinated. Ambivalent about that.
Almost everyone in my family is fully vaccinated - and I'll be happy to take the time off. Just not sure how ethical it is to bribe people regarding their health decisions.[/QUOTE]

The bribe is pretty low, and 4 hours? That’s not even close to the time the shot can put someone down in bed.

My 90 year old grandmom isn’t getting vaxxed and that this point, there’s no reason for her to anyway.

The politics made this out of control, that’s how much politics can really control anything. And my grand mom at 90 is smarter than today’s generations.

[QUOTE=LWW;1641597753]The bribe is pretty low, and 4 hours? That’s not even close to the time the shot can put someone down in bed.

My 90 year old grandmom isn’t getting vaxxed and that this point, there’s no reason for her to anyway.

The politics made this out of control, that’s how much politics can really control anything. And my grand mom at 90 is smarter than today’s generations.[/QUOTE]

True, the side effects can sideline folks for a bit - in VA there is up to 3 days' COVID leave that doesn't affect someone's sick leave balance and if truly ill can use worker's comp.
Four hours isn't much, but across hundreds of thousands of workers that's a lot of time and money.

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COVID-19 vaccines made by AstraZeneca and the Pfizer-BioNTech alliance remain broadly effective against Delta and Kappa variants of the COVID-19 causing virus, which were first identified in India, according to a scientific study, underpinning a continued push to deliver the shots.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for that info.

I am not overly fond of the kind of bribery thing, but it is being done to entice people to get the jab. with that being said, I wonder what is being offered to the less fortunate, disabled, homeless etc... They are the ones that really need a break, not those of us with a good income.

4hours? If it was to people to get vaccinated it'd make sense but already vaccinated people?

I wonder what the effect would be if they gave 1/2 day's pay to homeless or at high risk of becoming homeless veterans instead

Imagine the outrage if stores and workplaces gave out the same kind of bribes based on not being fat. SMDH

That is the first study that I have read that showed that those particular vaccinations worked against delta,which is very good news.

[QUOTE=ectoBgone;1641602533]Imagine the outrage if stores and workplaces gave out the same kind of bribes based on not being fat. SMDH[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=PhDPepper1111;1641595173] Just not sure how ethical it is to bribe people regarding their health decisions.[/QUOTE]

It's been done for 100 years. Some employers will pay for gym memberships, give time off for exercise, offer free flu shots, free health screenings... lots of different incentives (bribes). Decreasing sick days and health care costs pays off. I've gotten lots of trinkets for being enrolled in the employee fitness program or something.

One of the free health screenings I did at work, and I think you got entered into a chance to win a gift card or something, the person asked me "how much exercise do you get?". I said "I run almost every day, about 30 miles per week, and lift weights three times a week". She said "well, you should start doing something, it doesn't take much, maybe park a bit farther away or take the stairs instead of the elevators". I guess she had her speech she gave no matter what you said.

[QUOTE=Gabbar99;1641603573]It's been done for 100 years. Some employers will pay for gym memberships, give time off for exercise, offer free flu shots, free health screenings... lots of different incentives (bribes). Decreasing sick days and health care costs pays off. I've gotten lots of trinkets for being enrolled in the employee fitness program or something.

One of the free health screenings I did at work, and I think you got entered into a chance to win a gift card or something, the person asked me "how much exercise do you get?". I said "I run almost every day, about 30 miles per week, and lift weights three times a week". She said "well, you should start doing something, it doesn't take much, maybe park a bit farther away or take the stairs instead of the elevators". I guess she had her speech she gave no matter what you said.[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately ignorance is ignorance, no matter overweight someone may appear, the ignorant are clueless to the physical benefits of dead lifting 100+ plus over bw for a good 10 reps without a belt or straps week after week.

[QUOTE=LWW;1641604773]Unfortunately ignorance is ignorance, no matter overweight someone may appear, the ignorant are clueless to the physical benefits of dead lifting 100+ plus over bw for a good 10 reps without a belt or straps week after week.[/QUOTE]

Overweight people are still at an increased health risk regardless of their deadlift numbers, straps or no straps.

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More than 99% of US covid deaths in May were unvaccinated people. Pretty sad tbh.

[url]https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-941fcf43d9731c76c16e7354f5d5e187[/url]

In May, 2021, 150 deaths were to people fully vaccinated. Pretty sad.

At least people who are not vaccinated made the choice for themselves. Those others were let down by "science".

And for those who say "Yeah, but that's only 1 in a million" or something, that's PER MONTH - and the odds about equal to 12-30 years olds dying from the virus with or without the vaccine. So why push the vaccine among these age groups?

[QUOTE=CommitmentRulz;1641685493]In May, 2021, 150 deaths were to people fully vaccinated. Pretty sad.

At least people who are not vaccinated made the choice for themselves. Those others were let down by "science".[/QUOTE]

Age:62
Worried about you.

[QUOTE=Reliance012;1641685603]Age:62
Worried about you.[/QUOTE]Thanks - but I'm not worried or scared. ;-)

Make-a-Wish foundation says fukc your unvaccinated brats.

[b]Make-a-Wish Foundation will only grant wishes to terminally ill children who are fully vaccinated[/b]

[url]https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/make-a-wish-foundation-will-only-grant-wishes-of-fully-vaccinated-children[/url]

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1641605763]Overweight people are still at an increased health risk regardless of their deadlift numbers, straps or no straps.[/QUOTE]

Well, their dead lifting can lower the risk. Again I know a skinny guy who had near death health issues before a overweight guy the same age.

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Got vaccinated as part of a work requirement. 2nd shot had my out of work 3 days, after 10 days lymph nodes remain swollen. At least the arm tremors stopped after 5 days.

[QUOTE=bayrider;1641717313]Got vaccinated as part of a work requirement. 2nd shot had my out of work 3 days, after 10 days lymph nodes remain swollen. At least the arm tremors stopped after 5 days.[/QUOTE]

Damn, that is brutal, what vaccine was it?

Of coarse dude, We need to be someone who are little concerned and woke for the people around us if not for us.

Anyone have their second shot and not have any side effects? All I am hearing is nasty sh!t.

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1641732603]Anyone have their second shot and not have any side effects? All I am hearing is nasty sh!t.[/QUOTE]

Moderna’s reactions from what I’ve heard have been worse than pfizer.

I got Pfizer and so did my chick. We both were mildly sick - more like sluggish, felt like had a temperature but when using a thermometer, normal temps. Lasted a day and a half.

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1641732603]Anyone have their second shot and not have any side effects? All I am hearing is nasty sh!t.[/QUOTE]

Plenty (older people) have had nothing more than a slight headache and some fogginess, which IMO is nothing. Mostly younger folks are feeling like total chit, and these are the folks who don't need this fuking vaccine.

I guess that's me, the younger folk.

[QUOTE=ectoBgone;1641602533]Imagine the outrage if stores and workplaces gave out the same kind of bribes based on not being fat. SMDH[/QUOTE]

Good idea, free donut if you're not fat ;)

[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1641738173]Good idea, free donut if you're not fat ;)[/QUOTE]

Why should donuts be associated with being fat? I haven't eaten a donut in years, yet I have no problems downing a double protein shake with a banana and several servings a all natural chunky PB.

[QUOTE=eomrat;1641688503]Make-a-Wish foundation says fukc your unvaccinated brats.

[b]Make-a-Wish Foundation will only grant wishes to terminally ill children who are fully vaccinated[/b]

[url]https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/make-a-wish-foundation-will-only-grant-wishes-of-fully-vaccinated-children[/url][/QUOTE]

Fuk Make a Wish, what a crock of $hit.

[QUOTE=TryingBB;1641734243]Moderna’s reactions from what I’ve heard have been worse than pfizer.

I got Pfizer and so did my chick. We both were mildly sick - more like sluggish, felt like had a temperature but when using a thermometer, normal temps. Lasted a day and a half.[/QUOTE]


Thanks for the update, glad you guys didn't have it too rough.






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The UK will offer a third dose (as booster) to adults over 50 and clinically vulnerable people under 50 starting in the fall

What's the plan in the US?

[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1641917543]The UK will offer a third dose (as booster) to adults over 50 and clinically vulnerable people under 50 starting in the fall

What's the plan in the US?[/QUOTE]


Read something yesterday that said the mRNA vaccines would give long term protection and boosters may not be needed



The vaccines made by Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna set off a persistent immune reaction in the body that may protect against the coronavirus for years, scientists reported on Monday.

The findings add to growing evidence that most people immunized with the mRNA vaccines may not need boosters, so long as the virus and its variants do not evolve much beyond their current forms — which is not guaranteed.


[url]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/28/health/coronavirus-vaccines-immunity.html[/url]

My brother refuses to get vaccinated because he thinks it’s all a conspiracy and then he goes off on a political diatribe that makes no sense.

My decision to get the vaccine has nothing to do with politics. I just don’t want COVID and if I do get it, it may not be a severe case.

[QUOTE=Mark1T;1641922323]My brother refuses to get vaccinated because he thinks it’s all a conspiracy and then he goes off on a political diatribe that makes no sense.

My decision to get the vaccine has nothing to do with politics. I just don’t want COVID and if I do get it, it may not be a severe case.[/QUOTE]

You cant reason with some so i stopped and am enjoying the extra O2.
I asked many people who have had it( all ages races and health conditions) and it varies widely.
I am not messing around with it since the reactions vary so much.

Someone told me a joke today, that gave me a chuckle. He asked, "do you know what the next bitcoin is going to be?"

"Unvaccinated sperm and ovaries"

Personally, I'm not going to bother getting vaxxed. My sister caught covid back in January, she's overweight, and eats out everyday. I couldn't even tell she was sick. She only had diarhea and muscles soreness, and got over it in 5 days.

[QUOTE=Mark1T;1641922323]My brother refuses to get vaccinated because he thinks it’s all a conspiracy and then he goes off on a political diatribe that makes no sense.

My decision to get the vaccine has nothing to do with politics. I just don’t want COVID and if I do get it, it may not be a severe case.[/QUOTE]

Sounds like you got a few more brain cells than your brother. Be thankful.

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1641917963]Read something yesterday that said the mRNA vaccines would give long term protection and boosters may not be needed



The vaccines made by Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna set off a persistent immune reaction in the body that may protect against the coronavirus for years, scientists reported on Monday.

The findings add to growing evidence that most people immunized with the mRNA vaccines may not need boosters, so long as the virus and its variants do not evolve much beyond their current forms — which is not guaranteed.


[url]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/28/health/coronavirus-vaccines-immunity.html[/url][/QUOTE]


From that article "...The results suggest that a vast majority of vaccinated people will be protected over the long term — at least, against the existing coronavirus variants. But older adults, people with weak immune systems and those who take drugs that suppress immunity may need boosters.."

It sounds like older people might need a booster perhaps annually, then again they might not, it's unclear. But at least it looks likely that most people who aren't elderly won't need it. Wonder if it can be added into the annual flu vaccination shot for elderly?

[QUOTE=LWW;1641741043]Why should donuts be associated with being fat? I haven't eaten a donut in years, yet I have no problems downing a double protein shake with a banana and several servings a all natural chunky PB.[/QUOTE] I've seen Chief Wiggum on TV, he's made good weight gains following the donut diet. There are a million other ways to get fat, but lots of Donuts are a reliable go-to but like everything long term consistency pays dividends!

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[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1641926223]I've seen Chief Wiggum on TV, he's made good weight gains following the donut diet. There are a million other ways to get fat, but lots of Donuts are a reliable go-to but like everything long term consistency pays dividends![/QUOTE]

Yo Tommy, (trying to get in the habit of talking to you like Roco), again I'll have to bring up two skinny guys I've worked with whom suffered near death heart health emergencies, these guys worked physical jobs everyday, skinny as toothpicks, their diet = daily doughnut and chocolate milk for a.m. break, lunch pizza or hot dog and soda, not sure what they ate for dinner?

The slim = less health problems assumption or doughnuts make 'em fat is false, one of the guys was pushing 60, he had no stomach at all, slim with veins.

The big man I worked with used tell me everytime these guys suffered health issues (now big boy was not healthy eithier, but dude was a natural powerhouse) he'd say "see that, it ain't always us fat guys, those skinny guys got problems too".

Me, well I cut out my daily bagel and have lost 10# already, I'm still getting the same calories, but those bagels were HIGH in useless carbs, I'm not looking to loose weight, but get useful calories.

[QUOTE=LWW;1641931663]Yo Tommy, (trying to get in the habit of talking to you like Roco), again I'll have to bring up two skinny guys I've worked with whom suffered near death heart health emergencies, these guys worked physical jobs everyday, skinny as toothpicks, their diet = daily doughnut and chocolate milk for a.m. break, lunch pizza or hot dog and soda, not sure what they ate for dinner?

The slim = less health problems assumption or doughnuts make 'em fat is false, one of the guys was pushing 60, he had no stomach at all, slim with veins.

The big man I worked with used tell me everytime these guys suffered health issues (now big boy was not healthy eithier, but dude was a natural powerhouse) he'd say "see that, it ain't always us fat guys, those skinny guys got problems too".

Me, well I cut out my daily bagel and have lost 10# already, I'm still getting the same calories, but those bagels were HIGH in useless carbs, I'm not looking to loose weight, but get useful calories.[/QUOTE]

You cut out your bagel but get the same calories? Hmmm ok but NOT OK.

I ain’t no expert but if this forum taught me one thing - it is - eat more calories than you burn = weight gain. Eat less calories than you burn = weight loss

[QUOTE=TryingBB;1641940063]You cut out your bagel but get the same calories? Hmmm ok but NOT OK.

I ain’t no expert but if this forum taught me one thing - it is - eat more calories than you burn = weight gain. Eat less calories than you burn = weight loss[/QUOTE]

I replaced my bagel with a high calorie whey protein drink with milk, get it? But I don't count my calories, I just lift and eat and I eat big at dinner, I don't do all that BB stuff.

The 10# I lost is flab around the waist mostly the rear oblique's because all that bread was stored there, It's a tad noticeable to me, the scale and my wife actually said she noticed and I never said anything, I cut back on ALL breads too.