Will you get vaccinated?

[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1651386913]I will try to pay better attention Miss Cass.
and
yeah, I guess we often do.

Also, don't forget that I'm only planning to wait a couple of months to see if anyone has a phase 3 vaccine study running on a more delta specific antigen. I know Curevac is working on a second vaccine and pulled their first version, but I don't know if the sequence if different, or if they simply changed the carrier or something else.

Companies may not bother to modify the S protein for a lot of reasons, one of which is that the delta variant's S protein is still very close to the original S protein. I believe the changes in the S protein are primarily in the S1 subunit of the protein where the receptor binding domain is. According to what I've read that makes it better at binding to ACE receptors. I tend to think of it as S1 grabs your cell and S2 tunnels through to inject your cell with the genome. If the area on the Delta spike protein that changed isn't a strong antigenic site, meaning it isn't one of the epitopes that anti-covid antibodies bind to, then there may not be a better mRNA code to use. In that case, using the current vaccines might be as good as it gets for a long time. Scary stuff, right? But like I said, I'm comfortable waiting a couple of months to see. If I ever get a chance to speak with a conformational or structural biologist or biochemist doing research on this, I'll ask. Maybe the answer is out there but I can't find it. The bottom line is I don't know if modifying the current mRNA to match the delta variant's spike protein would help. It might just be that the delta variant is so much better at binding to our cells that we are getting exposed to higher loads from infected people and higher Ab levels is the best we can do for now. That's why I try not to discourage anyone who is concerned from getting a booster. I wish I had better answers for you guys but I don't right now. Sorry.[/QUOTE]

It's ok. I won't blame you if I get covid and die.

[QUOTE=TryingBB;1651398553]You don’t have a clue where they were a few minutes ago. Stop judging. Maybe they don’t wanna take it off and put it on over and over again? Easier to make peace with it and keep it on sometimes.

But sure is a cringe when I see people riding in a car by themselves and have a mask on. Now that’s fkn retarted[/QUOTE]

I wear it outside and in car sorry that y'all mad.

[QUOTE=Fishman15;1651394513]You think that's bad? In Seattle I see people wearing them outdoors in an isolated part of a park nobody within a hundred yds. That's fcked up! Time to just shut the tv off at that point...[/QUOTE]

LOL@ invaxxers giving dirty looks to mask wearers while experimental drugs pump through their systems and now their children SMH

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When Imma fishing out my boat on the lake, I don't wear a mask.

Whatcha gon do?

[QUOTE=fishnbrah;1651389733]what was the point of the first shots if you dont get the booster though?[/QUOTE]

You already know why. Just a decreased risk of mortality by more than 50% would be sufficient, but we're much better than that. That's still around 80% for most of us and won't decrease nearly as quickly after the first 6 months. The early decrease is predictable based on the life expectancy of antibodies, B cells and T cells.

There's also a reduced risk of a bad outcome other than death, and there are a lot more people with sustained problems post COVID infections than there are who died. And of course there's the reduction in viral load leading to a lower time where we can transmit it to a vulnerable person. I can spread it for 3 days and not 4, it may decrease the prevalence. And I suppose the last easy to explain reason to get the vaccine is there's less replication, so even with the selection pressure it could apply, it will lower the chances of a new strain developing.

An anamnestic response is still a lot faster than the immune response of a COVID 19 naïve patient, so even though it may not stop you from getting sick a year post vaccine, it will help protect you from the bad outcomes and you'll be sick for a shorter period of time. You can tell if you've read my posts that I'm not a fan of overreach or how this has been handled, but the COVID vaccines are still amazingly effective and it's definitely worth getting a 2 shot series. 3? I think that depends.

[QUOTE=Mark1T;1651408563]When Imma fishing out my boat on the lake, I don't wear a mask.

Whatcha gon do?[/QUOTE]

Fish upwind of you and fart a lot.

Taco Bell time :)

[QUOTE=Oceanside;1651389553]I don't where you're at but San Diego has no mandate for anyone to wear a mask except employees and yet I see brainwashed people wearing mask inside of stores shopping....

it's pretty ****ed up when government gets into people heads enough to do something that's pretty much useless,,,

in fact it's alarming ![/QUOTE]

Washington DC area which includes MD, DC, and northern VA. Like a 20 mile radius around DC.

[QUOTE=Mark1T;1651408563]When Imma fishing out my boat on the lake, I don't wear a mask.

Whatcha gon do?[/QUOTE]

Well wear sunscreen then? I wear my cloth only to block sun as I live in a desert.

[QUOTE=Cass40;1651422213]Well wear sunscreen then? I wear my cloth only to block sun as I live in a desert.[/QUOTE]

I wear long sleeves and a hat. I try to stay out of the Sun.

Hope you and your husband have a nice Thanksgiving <3

[QUOTE=Mark1T;1651422723]I wear long sleeves and a hat. I try to stay out of the Sun.

Hope you and your husband have a nice Thanksgiving <3[/QUOTE]

Thank you love! <3

He will be cooking that's all I know. He's the best cook ever.

But you can make the best bread Marky. Will you be cooking? Where are you going, who's coming..how's your mama and chocolatte the puppy? Maybe I should go chat somewhere else? :D

[QUOTE=Cass40;1651423693]Thank you love! <3

He will be cooking that's all I know. He's the best cook ever.

But you can make the best bread Marky. Will you be cooking? Where are you going, who's coming..how's your mama and chocolatte the puppy? Maybe I should go chat somewhere else? :D[/QUOTE]

Honestly, I will not be with family this year. For the past 20+ years I have done 90% of the cooking.

Because of my Mother's husband, I have chosen to be alone at the lake for the Holidays. Long story.

Coco Latte' is just fine :)

[QUOTE=Mark1T;1651429613]Honestly, I will not be with family this year. For the past 20+ years I have done 90% of the cooking.

Because of my Mother's husband, I have chosen to be alone at the lake for the Holidays. Long story.

Coco Latte' is just fine :)[/QUOTE]

Mark, you're making me sad. Sorry you can't be with family, hope you get to see some friends, and hope your Thanksgiving is still really nice.

[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1651430193]Mark, you're making me sad. Sorry you can't be with family, hope you get to see some friends, and hope your Thanksgiving is still really nice.[/QUOTE]

I appreciate it. All going to be ok. Wishing you and yours a great Thanksgiving :)

Marky, I understand. Sorry your mamas hubby is such a douche bag but enjoy your day at the lake regardless!

[QUOTE=Cass40;1651433543]Marky, I understand. Sorry your mamas hubby is such a douche bag but enjoy your day at the lake regardless![/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=Mark1T;1651408563]When Imma fishing out my boat on the lake, I don't wear a mask.

Whatcha gon do?[/QUOTE]


Ahh mister I'm going to need your exact location so I can coordinate with the feds for your removal from the lake on a non masking charge. Don't worry about your boat, it will be in good hands. Plus, I've got my own rods so...

[QUOTE=Cass40;1651422213]Well wear sunscreen then? I wear my cloth only to block sun as I live in a desert.[/QUOTE]

This is why a Finnish woman's place is on the frozen lake...


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[QUOTE=Mark1T;1651430453]I appreciate it. All going to be ok. Wishing you and yours a great Thanksgiving :)[/QUOTE]

Fist pump, i hate Fathers Day because mine passed away; besides, it is a quick 24 hours and poof.... Black Friday.

Just cook something that you enjoy.

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I don't want to get the booster. I felt like they were injecting poison into my body for the first two shots and I developed a fever of 102 and chills. It was miserable.

The problem is that I live in California and we pretty much have to get it to be employed and go out to restaurants, bars or concerts, or my adventure club. I don't want to just be stuck in my house unable to do activities. Plus my elderly relatives insist on it as I care for them.

This sucks.

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[QUOTE=DustinTheHuss;1651584923]I don't want to get the booster. I felt like they were injecting poison into my body for the first two shots and I developed a fever of 102 and chills. It was miserable.

The problem is that I live in California and we pretty much have to get it to be employed and go out to restaurants, bars or concerts, or my adventure club. I don't want to just be stuck in my house unable to do activities. Plus my elderly relatives insist on it as I care for them.

This sucks.[/QUOTE]
Wha? You've been vaccinated twice(?) already but you need to take the booster to maintain your vaccination status?? Wow... I genuinely didn't know that was a thing.

Baffling since it only boosts the original original strain immune response in elderly or ill and all the latest "the sky is falling in" is based on Omicron or whatnot. If the booster had a variety of strains in it (like flu shot having 3 or often 4 strains) then I'd get it..

If the debate still existed on if this is based on evidence versus politics based, that's the decider.

Lucky you live in the "land of the free"

[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1651636993]Wha? You've been vaccinated twice(?) already but you need to take the booster to maintain your vaccination status?? Wow... I genuinely didn't know that was a thing.



Lucky you live in the "land of the free"[/QUOTE]

Good ole Mengele / Fauci as well as CDC says the definition of fully vaccinated is fluid and will continue to change.

Land of the Free is a flat out fukkin joke,

[QUOTE=Corbi;1651637173]Good ole Mengele / Fauci as well as CDC says the definition of fully vaccinated is fluid and will continue to change.

Land of the Free is a flat out fukkin joke,[/QUOTE]

Lived in North Korea, lately, Corbi? :) Here in Quebec, you have to show a vaccination passport and ID to be able to access non essential services.

[QUOTE=Corbi;1651637173]Good ole Mengele / Fauci as well as CDC says the definition of fully vaccinated is fluid and will continue to change.

Land of the Free is a flat out fukkin joke,[/QUOTE]

The narrative is both really predictable and surreal at the same time. It’s an endless loop of fear mongering, insane rules /restrictions followed by exploitive profits. Better cancel those midterm elections for our own good.

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1651642053]The narrative is both really predictable and surreal at the same time. It’s an endless loop of fear mongering, insane rules /restrictions followed by exploitive profits. Better cancel those midterm elections for our own good.[/QUOTE]

Ok, what do you think about the fact it's happening everywhere in the word, not just America?

Austria has a lockdown where unvaccinated are literally forbidden to leave their house. Do you think it's the whole world that's doing it?

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Ocean,

[url]https://www.quebec.ca/en/health/health-issues/a-z/2019-coronavirus/progress-of-the-covid-19-vaccination/covid-19-vaccination-passport/places-and-activities-requiring-covid-19-vaccination-passport[/url]

JOHANNESBURG, Nov 28 (Reuters) - A South African doctor who was one of the first to suspect a different coronavirus strain among patients said on Sunday that symptoms of the Omicron variant were so far mild and could be treated at home.

[QUOTE=Cass40;1651642263]Ok, what do you think about the fact it's happening everywhere in the word, not just America?

Austria has a lockdown where unvaccinated are literally forbidden to leave their house. Do you think it's the whole world that's doing it?[/QUOTE]

The virus is real, countries like Australia, and others that are undertaking draconian restrictions and human rights violations should be put in check by their citizens, you get what you vote for though…Not all countries are reacting the same way, but pharmaceuticals are a global industry and they are milking this for everything it’s worth, bribery and unscrupulous practices are not above their corporate ethics based on previous activities.

[QUOTE=supramax;1651642433]Ocean,

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that's nothing more than a resentment based punishment by the government for not following their instructions..

I always thought Canada was supposed to Be laid back but that's just idiotic..

Same goes for Australia too, they really drank the cool aid on all of this too !

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1651649433]The virus is real, countries like Australia, and others that are undertaking draconian restrictions and human rights violations should be put in check by their citizens, you get what you vote for though…Not all countries are reacting the same way, but pharmaceuticals are a global industry and they are milking this for everything it’s worth, bribery and unscrupulous practices are not above their corporate ethics based on previous activities.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I believe it. Some are getting rich and others losing their jobs.

[QUOTE=Cass40;1651655193]Yeah I believe it. Some are getting rich and others losing their jobs.[/QUOTE]

Did you know that far less people are actually dying in bad weather now than ever before in our recorded history, and we are actually seeing less life threatening storms, but they are more intense.

Polar Bears are still around and they will survive.

[QUOTE=supramax;1651637813]Lived in North Korea, lately, Corbi? :) Here in Quebec, you have to show a vaccination passport and ID to be able to access non essential services.[/QUOTE]

Lately whats the difference? If a country can suspend your supposed God given rights, were they ever rights at all?

[QUOTE=Oceanside;1651650753]that's nothing more than a resentment based punishment by the government for not following their instructions..

I always thought Canada was supposed to Be laid back but that's just idiotic..

Same goes for Australia too, they really drank the cool aid on all of this too ![/QUOTE]Someone from the Divided States of America shouldn't confuse Canada with Quebec. :) You can get arrested here for not wearing a mask in a store. If signs are bilingual, the French language has to be in bigger letters. There are language police here.

[QUOTE=Corbi;1651662333]Lately whats the difference? If a country can suspend your supposed God given rights, were they ever rights at all?[/QUOTE]
What rights have you lost?

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[QUOTE=supramax;1651669213]What rights have you lost?[/QUOTE]

The right to free travel, the right to earn a living in the field of my choosing....now if you aren't vaxxed they fire you. The right not have the government tell me what toxins I must put in my body, where I must wear amask, etc. Basic civil liberties.

See this thread has shifted anti-vax over turkey day. Dad has given up the fight or still on vacation?

I heard today Pfizer scrapped Delta specific boosters are the main boosters are good enough but are now considering omricon boosters, if the regular doses aren't effective enough. Dad or anyone have any thoughts? I'm up for a booster and still considering. Wish I could quickly and easily check my own antibodies.

[QUOTE=Corbi;1651691893]The right to free travel, the right to earn a living in the field of my choosing....now if you aren't vaxxed they fire you. The right not have the government tell me what toxins I must put in my body, where I must wear amask, etc. Basic civil liberties.[/QUOTE]

You never had those "rights" to begin with. You have to have met certain requirements for certain types of travel prior to Covid, you had to meet certain requirements for certain employment, and equivalent things to a mask mandate such a shirt and shoes mandates already existed. Your issue is with masks and vaccines related to Covid, not your rights being taken away.

[QUOTE=mgftp;1651707533]Dad or anyone have any thoughts? I'm up for a booster and still considering. [/QUOTE]

Got my Covid booster a couple days ago and I gotta say, the upgraded WiFi is nuts.

I'll probably get the booster after Christmas, since the CVS I go to is in a Le Target'.

It's weird because even though the very same people that go to Target, also go to Walmart, in each store, they have different attitudes. In Walmart, everybody ignores most people. in Target, everybody looks at everybody as if they they were suspecting you might be a serial killer.

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Soo..that’s how they’ll get around those ..”side effects”

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[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1651716113]Soo..that’s how they’ll get around those ..”side effects”

[url]https://i.redd.it/6yyibka4dk281.jpg[/url][/QUOTE]Base it on new symptoms present in the variant. Brilliant. Evil, but brilliant.

[QUOTE=Mark1T;1651714673]I'll probably get the booster after Christmas, since the CVS I go to is in a Le Target'.

It's weird because even though the very same people that go to Target, also go to Walmart, in each store, they have different attitudes. In Walmart, everybody ignores most people. in Target, everybody looks at everybody as if they they were suspecting you might be a serial killer.

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Haven't been in a Target in probably 3-4 years now, no desire either.

[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1651716113]Soo..that’s how they’ll get around those ..”side effects”

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Sometimes I wonder if your posts are even serious. No offense.

[QUOTE=7Seconds;1651709793]Got my Covid booster a couple days ago and I gotta say, the upgraded WiFi is nuts.[/QUOTE]

Any thought to test antibodies first?

[QUOTE=Mark1T;1651714673]I'll probably get the booster after Christmas, since the CVS I go to is in a Le Target'.

It's weird because even though the very same people that go to Target, also go to Walmart, in each store, they have different attitudes. In Walmart, everybody ignores most people. in Target, everybody looks at everybody as if they they were suspecting you might be a serial killer.

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My wife got hers at Target.

[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1651716113]Soo..that’s how they’ll get around those ..”side effects”

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I don't want to be on the looney team but this is plain as day to me SMH

Am I too far gone to be saved?

Edit: Epstein didn't kill himself and 9/11 well you know the rest.

[QUOTE=BK909;1651724663]I don't want to be on the looney team but this is plain as day to me SMH

Am I too far gone to be saved?

Edit: Epstein didn't kill himself and 9/11 well you know the rest.[/QUOTE]


You are almost at the next level


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[QUOTE=mtpockets;1651724933]You are almost at the next level


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I didn't know it was that bad, I'll make a appointment to receive my vaccination immediately so I can fully participate in society and show my papers upon request.
There I go again, can't help myself SMH