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[QUOTE=sy2502;1646760663]"I wear a mask out of respect to other people"
also
"You are all morons"
I guess "respect" means something different to a lib.[/QUOTE]
It just baffles me that you have 45 million survivors saying it's nothing if are healthy, but they only listen to a handful of old fat people that say "I wish I took the vaccine!"
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1646756373]I'm sure there's a lot of validity to that, but doesn't it seems like we have a lot more people who are anti-covid vaccines than who are anti-vaccines in general.
I'm not going to say that education doesn't have a big impact, but it shouldn't require an MD plus a bunch of research and data review experience to sort the wheat from the chaff. Right now, it kind of feels like it does because even I have to search and read very carefully.
Also, I'd love it if Ivermectin could be part of the solution to bad outcomes from COVID. I was hoping hydroxychloroquine would be too, although I had even more skepticism about that one panning out.[/QUOTE]
It is all tribal at this point as well as political.
I deconstructed the original study in the r and p with 6 parts and quotes, only to get zero replies.
Basically,the latin doctors made it all up, zero money, the ivermectin patients were busy covid hospital workers, and the hospital had no record of the study. There was much more but those were 3 important points, only to get zero replies.
The audience there is passionate and vocal but I guess check mate is check mate.
[QUOTE=pondus_levo;1646760283][img]https://unherd.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/image-8-1.png[/img]
80% have at least some college. 24% are doctors. These people are not stupid.
Such a lib thing to say. "vulnerable to misinformation." When you don't even do 1/3 of the research they do.
**** you and your superiority complex.[/QUOTE]
How much research have you done regarding the data in the infographic? I mean you must know there are infographics out there that show the exact opposite as well. I guess you have done a lot of work making sure this data is the real deal.
[QUOTE=mgftp;1646762053]How much research have you done regarding the data in the infographic? I mean you must know there are infographics out there that show the exact opposite as well. I guess you have done a lot of work making sure this data is the real deal.[/QUOTE]
Yes. I did.
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Author names and affiliations:
4 Wendy C King, PhD, Associate Professor, Department of Epidemiology, Graduate School of
5 Public Health University of Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh, PA, [email]kingw@edc.pitt.edu[/email]
6 Max Rubinstein, MPP, PhD Student, Heinz College and Department of Statistics & Data Science,
7 Carnegie Mellon University, Pittsburgh, PA, [email]mrubinst@andrew.cmu.edu[/email]
8 Alex Reinhart, PhD, Assistant Teaching Professor, Department of Statistics & Data Science,
9 Carnegie Mellon University, Pittsburgh, PA, [email]areinhar@stat.cmu.edu[/email]
10 Robin J. Mejia, MPH, PhD, Special Faculty, Department of Statistics & Data Science, Carnegie
11 Mellon University, Pittsburgh, PA, [email]rmejia@andrew.cmu.edu[/email]
Those with professional degrees (e.g., JD, MBA) and PhDs were theonly education groups without a decrease in hesitancy, and by May, those with PhDs had the highest hesitancy
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[url]https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.20.21260795v1.full.pdf[/url]
Like I said, **** you and your superiority complex.
Then load up, 100 times the normal dose that are used in mice...have at it.
Iverguessing :)
I joke it's Friday.
[QUOTE=mgftp;1646763533]What exactly was that work you did?
Listing authors and their accreditation means this data set is more valid than data sets that show something else? This is my point exactly, people are by nature drawn to what they want to believe. It's not a personal attack on you. It's human nature,[/QUOTE]Pondo is more susceptible to confirmation bias than most, and like sy, gets salty when you point stuff out.
[QUOTE=pondus_levo;1646762383]Yes. I did.
[url]https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.20.21260795v1.full.pdf[/url]
Like I said, **** you and your superiority complex.[/QUOTE]
What exactly was that work you did?
Listing authors and their accreditation means this data set is more valid than data sets that show something else? This is my point exactly, people are by nature drawn to what they want to believe. It's not a personal attack on you.
[QUOTE=z4v4;1646763913]Pondo is more susceptible to confirmation bias than most, and like sy, gets salty when you point stuff out.[/QUOTE]
People get passionate about the subject. I get it. Perhaps I should have chosen my words to be less offensive to others reading. But my post was pointing out to a doctor (JustDad) that a lot of misinformation spread is happening within a set of people which may be less educated and intelligent than him, or the average doctor. I am not a doctor, I am also less educated on medicine and probably less intelligent.
[QUOTE=mgftp;1646762053]How much research have you done regarding the data in the infographic? I mean you must know there are infographics out there that show the exact opposite as well. I guess you have done a lot of work making sure this data is the real deal.[/QUOTE]
This statement is 100% true. I spent 10 minutes looking around and I'm seeing the opposite of this graphic. I have no dog in the fight; just an observation. I couldn't give two shiits how much education someone has because I have a Master's Degree and it doesn't make you smarter; just more educated. More educated does not equal smarter for the most part.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/3unHjZL.jpg?1[/img]
[QUOTE=bustasinclair;1646764453]This statement is 100% true. I spent 10 minutes looking around and I'm seeing the opposite of this graphic. I have no dog in the fight; just an observation. I couldn't give two shiits how much education someone has because I have a Master's Degree and it doesn't make you smarter; just more educated. More educated does not equal smarter for the most part.[/QUOTE]
WTF do you mean that shows the opposite? Do you even understand what the infographic that I posted represents?
There is NOTHING out there that disputes this study.
[QUOTE=pondus_levo;1646765123]WTF do you mean that shows the opposite? Do you even understand what the infographic that I posted represents?[/QUOTE]
I do - shows that 76% of PhDs aren't hesitant. But good argument tough guy.
[QUOTE=pondus_levo;1646765123]WTF do you mean that shows the opposite? Do you even understand what the infographic that I posted represents?[/QUOTE]
Calm down, mic dropper, geezus. You sound like you need a nap and a binky. I'm seeing the higher the education level, the lower the vaccine hesitancy. But like mgftp says, you can find support for just about anything you want to believe on the internet.
[QUOTE=Jtbny;1646765343]I do - shows that 76% of PhDs aren't hesitant. But good argument tough guy.[/QUOTE]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/K897D7f.gif[/img]
[QUOTE=Jtbny;1646765343]I do - shows that 76% of PhDs aren't hesitant. But good argument tough guy.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=bustasinclair;1646765573]Calm down, mic dropper, geezus. You sound like you need a nap and a binky. I'm seeing the higher the education level, the lower the vaccine hesitancy. But like mgftp says, you can find support for just about anything you want to believe on the internet.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1646765783][img]https://i.imgur.com/K897D7f.gif[/img][/QUOTE]
[img]https://media4.giphy.com/media/3oz8xLd9DJq2l2VFtu/giphy.gif[/img]
It shows that 1/4 of all people that are hesitant are doctors. Not 1/4 of doctors.
Doctors only make up .25% of our population.
Since you guys are so intelligent, do the math.
It amazes me how easy it is to hand you guys your asses. And you think you are the smart ones. LOL
I'm actually getting bored of owning you guys with facts vs your feelings. Have fun in your circle jerk.
I took some Ivermectin yesterday.
The Dr. says I'm in stable condition.
Those last comments speak to a person who is only interested in slam dunking, owning,handing asses, and showing how smart we are not.
That is today's internet for a certain group now.
Ownage....I showed you, I am smarter than you are, I got graphics.
Gtfoh with that immature fkn bs nonsense.
Good riddance!
[QUOTE=pondus_levo;1646765903][img]https://media4.giphy.com/media/3oz8xLd9DJq2l2VFtu/giphy.gif[/img]
It shows that 1/4 of all people that are hesitant are doctors. Not 1/4 of doctors.
Doctors only make up .25% of our population.
Since you guys are so intelligent, do the math.
It amazes me how easy it is to hand you guys your asses. And you think you are the smart ones. LOL
I'm actually getting bored of owning you guys with facts vs your feelings. Have fun in your circle jerk.[/QUOTE]
Quoting this for yet another example of an anti vax idiot not being able to interpret a table.
[QUOTE=mgftp;1646752463]The problem is we have this group of people who are anti-vax who want something like ivermectin to be an answer. And those people aren't as educated or in some cases as intelligent as someone like yourself. They see a link or an infographic supporting what they want to be truth and it starts spreading between these like-minded people. It's sad but it's misinformation being fed to the people who are must vulnerable to misinformation by the people who are most vulnerable to misinformation.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=mgftp;1646757943]It is a bad situation because some of these things can be pretty convincing, and on top of that I think many people that want to believe something aren't putting in the effort to question if what they want to believe is valid.[/QUOTE]
And what I said plays out
[Img]https://c.tenor.com/C9D0N6UXkzIAAAAC/disappointment-shake-head.gif[/img]
[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1646766973]Those last comments speak to a person who is only interested in slam dunking, owning,handing asses, and showing how smart we are not.
That is today's internet for a certain group now.
Ownage....I showed you, I am smarter than you are, I got graphics.
Gtfoh with that immature fkn bs nonsense.
Good riddance![/QUOTE]
LOL. Right. You can't have civil discourse with people like that.
[QUOTE=pondus_levo;1646762383]Yes. I did.
[url]https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.20.21260795v1.full.pdf[/url]
Like I said, **** you and your superiority complex.[/QUOTE]
A) pre-print
B)
[img]https://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=9361813&d=1631298681[/img]
C) Nice that you vetted the data source so carefully, but dig a little into the article and then tell me what it implies. The article discusses the data source. That picture agrees with their finding that about 2% of the people who responded to a ******** survey said they had a PhD, and that 0.46% of the people who responded saying they were hesitant to get a covid vaccine also said they had a PhDs (in something).
So does it actually prove that 23% of people with PhD's were hesitant to get a COVID vaccine prior to March? And if it does, in your opinion, what does that mean?
edit:
I hadn't read the below quote before I posted, so I didn't realize you had misunderstood the implications of that paper. It was supposed to be joking, but now it seems arrogant. I apologize, but it doesn't say, imply, or demonstrate what you seem to think it does.
[QUOTE=pondus_levo;1646765903]
It shows that 1/4 of all people that are hesitant are doctors. Not 1/4 of doctors.
Doctors only make up .25% of our population.
Since you guys are so intelligent, do the math.
It amazes me how easy it is to hand you guys your asses. And you think you are the smart ones. LOL
I'm actually getting bored of owning you guys with facts vs your feelings. Have fun in your circle jerk.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=bustasinclair;1646768343]LOL. Right. You can't have civil discourse with people like that.[/QUOTE]
Can try. Just can't have fun poking fun at some things like I tried to do above, and not look like an arrogant @$$ (which I just managed to do swimmingly).
[quote=pondus_levo;1646760283][img]https://unherd.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/image-8-1.png[/img]
80% have at least some college. 24% are doctors. These people are not stupid.
Such a lib thing to say. "vulnerable to misinformation." when you don't even do 1/3 of the research they do.
**** you and your superiority complex.[/quote]this!
So we're still going to talk about this as if it's about a virus?
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1646764553][img]https://i.imgur.com/3unHjZL.jpg?1[/img][/QUOTE]
LoL, love this.
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1646768713]A) pre-print
B)
[img]https://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=9361813&d=1631298681[/img]
C) Nice that you vetted the data source so carefully, but dig a little into the article and then tell me what it implies. The article discusses the data source. That picture agrees with their finding that about 2% of the people who responded to a ******** survey said they had a PhD, and that 0.46% of the people who responded saying they were hesitant to get a covid vaccine also said they had a PhDs (in something).
So does it actually prove that 23% of people with PhD's were hesitant to get a COVID vaccine prior to March? And if it does, in your opinion, what does that mean?
edit:
I hadn't read the below quote before I posted, so I didn't realize you had misunderstood the implications of that paper. It was supposed to be joking, but now it seems arrogant. I apologize, but it doesn't say, imply, or demonstrate what you seem to think it does.
Can try. Just can't have fun poking fun at some things like I tried to do above, and not look like an arrogant @$$ (which I just managed to do swimmingly).[/QUOTE]
I so much admire that you still have the energy to dig into this stuff. I'd assume you are great at your job because of these curiosities. I don't have the energy anymore when it comes to most things Covid. Although I must admit I dug into some ivermectin meta-analysis the other day because it's a topic I haven't explored. The data was horrible and how the findings were presented was downright misleading. After that I've seen a few other ivermectin is the best thing for Covid "studies" or infographics but I don't have the energy to look into them all, as I figure it's more of the same, just like the demographic data this gentleman was posting. I enjoy having you ITT because you do the work I am too lazy to do. And I realize part of that is probably just you get through it quicker being more intelligent, but still, appreciated. May your Volvo keep you safe for us.
[QUOTE=mgftp;1646771423]LoL, love this.
I so much admire that you still have the energy to dig into this stuff. I'd assume you are great at your job because of these curiosities. I don't have the energy anymore when it comes to most things Covid. Although I must admit I dug into some ivermectin meta-analysis the other day because it's a topic I haven't explored. The data was horrible and how the findings were presented was downright misleading. After that I've seen a few other ivermectin is the best thing for Covid "studies" or infographics but I don't have the energy to look into them all, as I figure it's more of the same, just like the demographic data this gentleman was posting. I enjoy having you ITT because you do the work I am too lazy to do. And I realize part of that is probably just you get through it quicker being more intelligent, but still, appreciated. May your Volvo keep you safe for us.[/QUOTE]
Thanks. Could be I just get bored reviewing pharma data after about 30 minutes and need a lot of breaks lol.
What I didn't realize before my now snarky sounding post was that he, and apparently a few other people, look at the graph and think it says 23.9% of the people who were hesitant to get the vaccine had a PhD. How could that be possible? It does kind of say 23.9% of people with PhD's were still hesitant to get a COVID vaccine in March.
To me, it says .46% of the people who said they were still hesitant to get the vaccine on a ******** survey also said they had a PhD. So 1 in 200 people who didn't want to get the vaccine and were willing to say that also said they had a PhD. I think the data source is reasonable and the group and CMU is probably very good at looking at their data. But even if I believe it's accurate, it doesn't mean much until you spin it. I'll be interested to see how it evolves though, because that may tell us something about how rigid people can be in their thinking.
Thanks too for the kind safety wish, but my kids have the Volvo's. How'd you even remember the Volvo thing though? Impressive! I've still got my wife's 2014 hand me down Durango, and I like it. It has the ventilated front seats for our NC summers and I can abuse it and not care.
France just banned unvaccinated American travelers
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1646773023]Thanks. Could be I just get bored reviewing pharma data after about 30 minutes and need a lot of breaks lol.
What I didn't realize before my now snarky sounding post was that he, and apparently a few other people, look at the graph and think it says 23.9% of the people who were hesitant to get the vaccine had a PhD. How could that be possible? It does kind of say 23.9% of people with PhD's were still hesitant to get a COVID vaccine in March.
To me, it says .46% of the people who said they were still hesitant to get the vaccine on a ******** survey also said they had a PhD. So 1 in 200 people who didn't want to get the vaccine and were willing to say that also said they had a PhD. I think the data source is reasonable and the group and CMU is probably very good at looking at their data. But even if I believe it's accurate, it doesn't mean much until you spin it. I'll be interested to see how it evolves though, because that may tell us something about how rigid people can be in their thinking.
Thanks too for the kind safety wish, but my kids have the Volvo's. How'd you even remember the Volvo thing though? Impressive! I've still got my wife's 2014 hand me down Durango, and I like it. It has the ventilated front seats for our NC summers and I can abuse it and not care.[/QUOTE]
You would have gotten a kick out of the Ivermectin infographic that was floating around the misc not long ago. Had about 20 "studies" which varried in sample size from single digits to hundreds. The larger studies actually showed zero to negative effect of ivermectin in treating Covid yet the infographic said something to the effect of 70-80% effective based upon the fact that 70-80% of the studies showed positive effect, meanwhile total patient effect was probably insignificant at best if patient data was pooled. I didn't even bother to do the math or to look into the individual "studies" once I saw how the data was being presented. Yet 90% of miscers instantly grabbed onto it as truth and absolute reason ivermectin is effective at treating Covid. That same infographic was shared in these forums for days. Again, the vulnerable to misinformation sharing with others vulnerable to misinformation.
You can definitely get a Volvo for yourself with cooled seats. You deserve it. Treat yourself.
[QUOTE=mgftp;1646777683]You can definitely get a Volvo for yourself with cooled seats. You deserve it. Treat yourself.[/QUOTE]
You're like my wife in that if I listen to you, I may never save enough to retire lol.
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1646779023]You're like my wife in that if I listen to you, I may never save enough to retire lol.[/QUOTE]
You two will be happy together, no matter what. ;)
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1646775983]France just banned unvaccinated American travelers[/QUOTE]
Wee?
France probably did that because they are not able to contain the level of socialist resistance they are seeing. Don’t need anymore crazy’s going there, it’s been intense. I guess those type of hooligans are everywhere…. People that think they should be able to decide their own medical decisions or caste. SMH
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