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[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1645634773]When I think of antibody testing, I think binding vs neutralizing. I don't think a binding antibody test is going to be as specific as a neutralizing one but I'd have to do some reading to see if antibodies from a different corona virus could cause a false positive on a binding assay. We'd also have to look into whether labs were using a binding assay back in early 2020 instead of neutralizing assays.
I know we have antibody tests for both the S and N proteins, so spike and nucleocapsid. Sponsors have actually use the nucleocapsid ab tests to try and detect asymptomatic infection after vaccination on some of the trials. I also think there are two epitopes on the spike protein, which may be why I'm thinking 3 and not 2 antigens. It may be that the vaccines give antibodies to 2 epitopes, while getting the infection adds only the nucleocapsid. I also have absolutely no idea how much exposure to the nucleocapsid would boost your immunity. Since most antibodies that are neutralizing are against proteins/glycoproteins that are involved with cell entry, I'd guess they aren't super helpful, but we'd need to either read or ask an immunologist. If you read this, you'll wonder if they might actually be a bad thing to have more of. [url]https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-83108-0[/url]
I don't know, but people who survive a SARS CoV2 infection should have plenty of antibodies to the spike protein since they likely had a boat load of it floating around during their infected stage.
On the Novavax, it's just the spike protein and an adjuvant. Pretty much another way of doing the same thing, but nice that it's less scary for a lot of people. They can think of it as comparable to getting a splinter covered in the spike protein stuck in their arm, as opposed to having some biologically active product injected into them. Can't wait for the moth man memes and comics to get started.[/QUOTE]
Don’t fully grasp that study, TBH. Was the higher level of antibodies correlated with death or were they elevated because they were sicker hence their hospitalization.. Looks like ACE inhibitors aren’t helping much in the elderly population either, then again neither does heart disease.
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[b]Delta Air Lines on Wednesday said it will begin charging unvaccinated workers a hefty monthly sum.[/b]
In a memo sent to employees, CEO Ed Bastian said unvaccinated employees who participate in the airline's health care plan will incur an additional $200 monthly fee beginning in November. The impetus for the surcharge is the high cost of hospital stays for COVID-19 patients and the risk they pose to the company's earnings, he said.
"The average hospital stay for COVID-19 has cost Delta $50,000 per person. This surcharge will be necessary to address the financial risk the decision to not vaccinate is creating for our company," Bastian said in the memo.
Bastian indicated that all Delta employees who have been hospitalized with COVID-19 were not fully vaccinated. Starting September 30, only fully vaccinated workers who experience a breakthrough infection and have to miss work will qualify for paid sick leave.
The airline urged employees to get their shots, but stopped short of mandating vaccination against COVID-19. Bastian said individuals who are hesitant to get inoculated should be encouraged by the FDA's full approval this week of the Pfizer vaccine.
[url]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/delta-air-lines-unvaccinated-employees-200-dollar-monthly-fee/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=129016204[/url]
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1645696463][b]Delta Air Lines on Wednesday said it will begin charging unvaccinated workers a hefty monthly sum.[/b]
In a memo sent to employees, CEO Ed Bastian said unvaccinated employees who participate in the airline's health care plan will incur an additional $200 monthly fee beginning in November. The impetus for the surcharge is the high cost of hospital stays for COVID-19 patients and the risk they pose to the company's earnings, he said.
"The average hospital stay for COVID-19 has cost Delta $50,000 per person. This surcharge will be necessary to address the financial risk the decision to not vaccinate is creating for our company," Bastian said in the memo.
Bastian indicated that all Delta employees who have been hospitalized with COVID-19 were not fully vaccinated. Starting September 30, only fully vaccinated workers who experience a breakthrough infection and have to miss work will qualify for paid sick leave.
The airline urged employees to get their shots, but stopped short of mandating vaccination against COVID-19. Bastian said individuals who are hesitant to get inoculated should be encouraged by the FDA's full approval this week of the Pfizer vaccine.
[url]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/delta-air-lines-unvaccinated-employees-200-dollar-monthly-fee/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=129016204[/url][/QUOTE]
How about the financial risk of being overweight? That kills a lot more people than covid.
[QUOTE=sy2502;1645696983]How about the financial risk of being overweight? That kills a lot more people than covid.[/QUOTE]
It will eventually bankrupt us that's for sure.
[QUOTE=sy2502;1645696983]How about the financial risk of being overweight? That kills a lot more people than covid.[/QUOTE]
There's a too fat to fly joke in here somewhere :D
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1645697173]There's a too fat to fly joke in here somewhere :D[/QUOTE]
"In the event of a water landing, the fatties can be used as floatation devices"
[QUOTE=sy2502;1645697273]"In the event of a water landing, the fatties can be used as floatation devices"[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=sy2502;1645696983]How about the financial risk of being overweight? That kills a lot more people than covid.[/QUOTE]
Now is not the time for logical reasoning.
[QUOTE=sy2502;1645696983]How about the financial risk of being overweight? That kills a lot more people than covid.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=_zman;1645697733]Now is not the time for logical reasoning.[/QUOTE]
I mean I am all for just euthanizing fat people TBH but the argument of the anti-vax crowd here doesn't make sense as someone being fat doesn't pose the same risk to people around them that someone being unvaxxed does.
[QUOTE=mgftp;1645704953]I mean I am all for just euthanizing fat people TBH but the argument of the anti-vax crowd here doesn't make sense as someone being fat doesn't pose the same risk to people around them that someone being unvaxxed does.[/QUOTE]
I doubt it. Studies have shown that whales carry a higher viral load, which might be the key to the spread more so than the unvaxxed.
Health insurance claims are costing the company more money than they set aside for health insurance and there's a statistically observable, and causal correlation between a choice made by some employees and the increase in healthcare costs? Sounds like an entirely reasonable response.
[QUOTE=_zman;1645706013]I doubt it. Studies have shown that whales carry a higher viral load, which might be the key to the spread more so than the unvaxxed.[/QUOTE]
Studies have shown that sperm whales carry the biggest load, watch out thar she blows!
what's in a booster that wasn't in the first two?
[QUOTE=_zman;1645706013]I doubt it. Studies have shown that whales carry a higher viral load, which might be the key to the spread more so than the unvaxxed.[/QUOTE]
Please point us to any legitimate data that shows vaxxed fat people are responsible for greater Covid transmission than the unvaxxed.
[QUOTE=mgftp;1645706923]Please point us to any legitimate data that shows vaxxed fat people are responsible for greater Covid transmission than the unvaxxed.[/QUOTE]
Oh now you're changing it to vaxxed fat people? We both know that data isn't available yet, but I think the statement still holds weight.
[QUOTE=modof;1645706793]what's in a booster that wasn't in the first two?[/QUOTE]
Pharmacist told me that the second dose was the same as the first, I am assuming the third is the same as the first 2.. I could be wrong
[QUOTE=_zman;1645707053]Oh now you're changing it to vaxxed fat people? We both know that data isn't available yet, but I think the statement still holds weight.[/QUOTE]
Changing it? I mean how else could we have the conversation in consideration to who poses more risk to those around them and what Delta is doing in terms of the unvaxxed?
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1645707143]Pharmacist told me that the second dose was the same as the first, I am assuming the third is the same as the first 2.. I could be wrong[/QUOTE]
You are right as far as I know, but I too could be wrong.
600 people in a trial, need more data of course, but mixing and matching vaccines might trigger strong immune response
[url]https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01359-3[/url]
[QUOTE=mgftp;1645604993]I do think the point in general of politicians stock holdings is an interesting discussion. Should they be unallowed to participate in single stock ownership?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=_zman;1645607293]I have to disclose any individual stock holdings of vendors we do business with. I may some power in the healthcare setting, but it's nothing in comparison to Congress. The fact that we allow them to trade individual stocks is baffling to me.
There's no possible way you could even avoid insider trading with the amount of information they have that the public does not. You would literally know trends before they become trends.[/QUOTE]
I absolutely feel if you are a politician you should have zero investment in stocks. Several members of Congress unloaded a lot of stock prior to the pandemic and made a fair bit of money off of it. That should be an ethics violation.
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1645707143]Pharmacist told me that the second dose was the same as the first, I am assuming the third is the same as the first 2.. I could be wrong[/QUOTE]
Yep, i just asked the Pharmacist at Safeway and that is what she told me.
[QUOTE=_zman;1645707053]Oh now you're changing it to vaxxed fat people? We both know that data isn't available yet, but I think the statement still [B]holds weight[/B].[/QUOTE]
What you did I see :D
[QUOTE=lotusdeva;1645709953]600 people in a trial, need more data of course, but mixing and matching vaccines might trigger strong immune response
[url]https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01359-3[/url][/QUOTE]
Are you bi? :)
Vaccines, stop thinking dirty, lol.
[QUOTE=GrouchyUSMC;1645711513]I absolutely feel if you are a politician you should have zero investment in stocks. Several members of Congress unloaded a lot of stock prior to the pandemic and made a fair bit of money off of it. That should be an ethics violation.[/QUOTE]
The entire market is fixed and one giant scheme. Covid has been the one of the biggest transfers of wealth ever with our "leaders" reaping most of the benefits. Hell, the S&P hit another market record today. Every week its breaking its old record. Mind blowing.
[QUOTE=mgftp;1645704953]I mean I am all for just euthanizing fat people TBH but the argument of the anti-vax crowd here doesn't make sense as someone being fat doesn't pose the same risk to people around them that someone being unvaxxed does.[/QUOTE]
How so. Vaccinated people can still be infected, and still spread the virus. I think some of the vaccine caused a mini stroke in some of you vaccine nazis.
[QUOTE=Jtbny;1645712563]The entire market is fixed and one giant scheme. Covid has been the one of the biggest transfers of wealth ever with our "leaders" reaping most of the benefits. Hell, the S&P hit another market record today. Every week its breaking its old record. Mind blowing.[/QUOTE]
It’s nuts. I pulled some funds from S&P for a lake house purchase and each week I’m closer to being back to where I was. Eventually there’s gonna be a correction, but it’s anyone’s guess when. As long as they keep free money and the money printer on full throttle it will continue.
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1645707143]Pharmacist told me that the second dose was the same as the first, I am assuming the third is the same as the first 2.. I could be wrong[/QUOTE]
Can confirm the same. I got Pfizer now called some other mumbo jumbo.
Should’ve bough stock and instead I unloaded it all at the bottom fuk this chit nothing makes sense anymore
Two weeks after the annual motorcycle rally in Sturgis, South Dakota, reported Covid infections in the state have risen nearly sixfold.
South Dakota counted 3,819 new cases in the past two weeks, including seven deaths, up from 644 cases in the 14 days preceding it. That makes it the state with the largest percent increase in Covid cases in the past two weeks.
The state's rate of Covid-19 infections per capita in the past two weeks is in the bottom half of the country, but it's the sharp and sudden increase in case counts that sets it apart.
Meade County, home to Sturgis, has counted 330 new cases in the last two weeks, up from the 20 reported in the two weeks before the rally, according to Johns Hopkins University's case count. The 1,550 percent increase comes after the motorcycle rally, which usually draws around half a million people, possibly had its biggest year ever, according to County Sheriff Ron Merwin.
[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1645715353]It’s nuts. I pulled some funds from S&P for a lake house purchase and each week I’m closer to being back to where I was. Eventually there’s gonna be a correction, but it’s anyone’s guess when. As long as they keep free money and the money printer on full throttle it will continue.[/QUOTE]
Friday might see a pullback from what comes out at Jackson Hole ([url]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/23/business/whats-coming.html[/url]). BUT if there is no change the money printer goes BRRR far into next year.