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Cliffs, 260,000 cases and 4,400 deaths.
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[url]https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/covid-19-daily-video[/url]
Cliffs, 260,000 cases and 4,400 deaths.
[QUOTE=exrepubusa;1646813753]the us has thousands of people killed daily by the virus because of extremist anti vaxxers[/QUOTE]
Looks like your account, like all of your 7000 bogus accounts, got teh Covid :)
People are becoming crazier and crazier if it's even possible. Antivaxxers saying they hope vaxxed will die and the vaxxed saying the antivaxxers shouldn't get medical care. I'm not even talking about just the misc but mainstream media. It is just insane. I love Jimmy Kimmel but how can he say even jokingly that people who are not vaccinated should die at the side of the road? I don't have TV so I don't really know what's going on but I see little clips and I'm shocked. I thought it was just misc but it's not.
If someone hopes me to die, I would never listen to them. I pretty much block 99% of the misc out for that reason. But do they think they'll get people vaccinated by saying hope they'll die if they don't? Like that's a good stragedy? I want you to do something so I persuade you by saying I hope you die if you don't. Do you think anyone would listen someone like that after that. Like ever? About anything? I wouldn't.
I know people are saying things out of frustration too but I don't think media or people in charge should show that.
[QUOTE=Cass40;1646816303]People are becoming crazier and crazier if it's even possible. Antivaxxers saying they hope vaxxed will die and the vaxxed saying the antivaxxers shouldn't get medical care. I'm not even talking about just the misc but mainstream media. It is just insane. I love Jimmy Kimmel but how can he say even jokingly that people who are not vaccinated should die at the side of the road? I don't have TV so I don't really know what's going on but I see little clips and I'm shocked. I thought it was just misc but it's not.
If someone hopes me to die, I would never listen to them. I pretty much block 99% of the misc out for that reason. But do they think they'll get people vaccinated by saying hope they'll die if they don't? Like that's a good stragedy? I want you to do something so I persuade you by saying I hope you die if you don't. Do you think anyone would listen someone like that after that. Like ever? About anything? I wouldn't.
I know people are saying things out of frustration too but I don't think media or people in charge should show that.[/QUOTE]
I agree it's sad to see the division and hatred.
Rhetorical question
If there is only 1 ICU bed available. A Heart attack patient and an unvaxxed Covid patient show up at the same time buth requiring it ASAP, who gets the bed?
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1646816703]I agree it's sad to see the division and hatred.
Rhetorical question
If there is only 1 ICU bed available. A Heart attack patient and an unvaxxed Covid patient show up at the same time buth requiring it ASAP, who gets the bed?[/QUOTE]
First come first served?
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1646816703]I agree it's sad to see the division and hatred.
Rhetorical question
If there is only 1 ICU bed available. A Heart attack patient and an unvaxxed Covid patient show up at the same time buth requiring it ASAP, who gets the bed?[/QUOTE]
that wont happen
covid beds are already spoken for, even if empty. would be best to have some ER staff chime in.
the heart attack patient will have to wait for an ICU bed and the covid patient for a covid ICU bed
[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1646816793]First come first served?[/QUOTE]
They arrived at the same time... Like the teacher used to write on my exam RTFQ Read The Fukin Question LMAO
[QUOTE=ManwittaPlan;1646817103]that wont happen
covid beds are already spoken for, even if empty. would be best to have some ER staff chime in.
the heart attack patient will have to wait for an ICU bed and the covid patient for a covid ICU bed[/QUOTE]
Of course it probably won't happen, it was a hypothetical... chose one
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1646816703]I agree it's sad to see the division and hatred.
Rhetorical question
If there is only 1 ICU bed available. A Heart attack patient and an unvaxxed Covid patient show up at the same time buth requiring it ASAP, who gets the bed?[/QUOTE]
Well I could ask the same rhetorical question what if there's a person needing ICU cos lungs collapsing, should the smoker get it or the one who never smoked?
Or two heart attacks and one person is obese and another one a gym rat? Are we treating the gym rat because he has made better life choices?
I'm all for it.
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1646817123]They arrived at the same time... Like the teacher used to write on my exam RTFQ Read The Fukin Question LMAO[/QUOTE]
Sorry i was distracted arguing with Covidiots in another section, my bad.
Now what is hospital policy?
Therein lies the answer.
[QUOTE=Cass40;1646817613]Well I could ask the same rhetorical question what if there's a person needing ICU cos lungs collapsing, should the smoker get it or the one who never smoked?
Or two heart attacks and one person is obese and another one a gym rat? Are we treating the gym rat because he has made better life choices?
I'm all for it.[/QUOTE]
What if they ask, like they asked me, did you ever take stirooooohids?
I truly would like to know who gets the best service and who is top priority.
[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1646817953]Sorry i was distracted arguing with Covidiots in another section, my bad.
Now what is hospital policy?
Therein lies the answer.[/QUOTE]
This was my point. If you call someone an idiot, do you think they'll ever listen to you? I wouldn't.
So my point is what are people trying to accomplish by calling people they are arguing with names, hoping they die etc. Like what's the point?
[QUOTE=exrepubusa;1646818253]you’re a piece of garbage[/QUOTE]
You are loved beyond your ability to comprehend.
[QUOTE=Cass40;1646818203]This was my point. If you call someone an idiot, do you think they'll ever listen to you? I wouldn't.
So my point is what are people trying to accomplish by calling people they are arguing with names, hoping they die etc. Like what's the point?[/QUOTE]
I wasn't calling them idiot for not agreeing with me and my opinion, i was calling them that for the way in which they argue 1 way or the other.
We seem to have 2 tribes and no gray area, and i occupy the middle ground or gray area.
I have read the science , talked to as many people as i could and have ideas and thoughts, but i do not really care what others do because i know my body very very well.
A person could have the best , most compelling argument ever constructed and still a group will shrug and say, eh no bueno.
18 months into this, why bother!?
[QUOTE=Cass40;1646818203]This was my point. If you call someone an idiot, do you think they'll ever listen to you? I wouldn't.
So my point is what are people trying to accomplish by calling people they are arguing with names, hoping they die etc. Like what's the point?[/QUOTE]
Just frustration with the other side. The reality is at this point nobody on either side is going to change their minds regardless of what they see or how they are treated at this point,
[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1646818793]I wasn't calling them idiot for not agreeing with me and my opinion, i was calling them that for the way in which they argue 1 way or the other.
We seem to have 2 tribes and no gray area, and i occupy the middle ground or gray area.
I have read the science , talked to as many people as i could and have ideas and thoughts, but i do not really care what others do because i know my body very very well.[/QUOTE]
That's why I don't argue with people who are that level. I can't lower myself any lower lol.
Can you imagine Jordan Peterson arguing with someone and the other person is trying to beat Jordan with an argument and you're holding onto your seat just to hear Jordan's rebuttal..thinking now he's going destroy his opponent and Jordan goes "you're and old ugly hag who will die alone". It would be funny though..
[QUOTE=mgftp;1646819053]Just frustration with the other side. The reality is at this point nobody on either side is going to change their minds regardless of what they see or how they are treated at this point,[/QUOTE]
I know it's frustration and I doubt anyone really wants anyone to die etc. but it's not getting better, it's just getting worse to a level that's scary.
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[QUOTE=mgftp;1646819053]Just frustration with the other side. The reality is at this point nobody on either side is going to change their minds regardless of what they see or how they are treated at this point,[/QUOTE]
Yup, and at this point with yesterdays numbers(260,00/4,200) i just throw my hands up.
[QUOTE=Cass40;1646819313]I know it's frustration and I doubt anyone really wants anyone to die etc. but it's not getting better, it's just getting worse to a level that's scary.[/QUOTE]
Civil war incoming? Perhaps.
[QUOTE=mgftp;1646820003]Civil war incoming? Perhaps.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I guess I'm scared cos my grandmas dad actually had to dig his own grave and they shot him during our civil war a while back.
[QUOTE=mgftp;1646819053]Just frustration with the other side. The reality is at this point nobody on either side is going to change their minds regardless of what they see or how they are treated at this point,[/QUOTE]
It's not mere frustration though, it's provocation, and honestly you are part of the problem.
[QUOTE=Cass40;1646820353]Yeah I guess I'm scared cos my grandmas dad actually had to dig his own grave and they shot him during our civil war a while back.[/QUOTE]
Hopefully cooler heads prevail before all out war but I wouldn't be surprised if we saw more violence over vax. Just look how heated a large group of people are from Biden's recent actions. It's not getting any better :/
[QUOTE=ectoBgone;1646820563]It's not mere frustration though, it's provocation, and honestly you are part of the problem.[/QUOTE]
Me individually? Ha. Well I guess you are judging that on me posting ITT? You aren't wrong. I could be more even in many of my responses and statements but I do like to think in an exchange with another person I am usually the calmer less name-calling of the two parties. I know I certainly was yesterday with whoever that guy was ITT, as he was unhinged before the conversation started. But with that said, yes I could do better, everyone I have seen regularly post ITT could do better, some more than others and on that level we are all part of the problem. I wouldn't say a major one though, in the grand scheme of what is going on in this world.
Any legit thoughts on this?
[QUOTE]
Healthy boys more likely to be hospitalised with Pfizer side-effect than Covid-19: Study
The UK’s advisory body on vaccination recently said there is “considerable uncertainty regarding the magnitude of the potential harms.”
Healthy adolescent boys are more likely to be hospitalised with a rare side-effect after the second dose of Pfizer-BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine than the virus itself, claims a new study. US researchers studied the rate of post-vaccination cardiac myocarditis cases in the 12-15 and 16-17 age groups to analyse the benefits and risk of administering mRNA vaccines among adolescents.
The researchers identified a total of 257 vaccine-related cardiac adverse events (CAEs) following the second dose of the mRNA vaccine. The rate of the CAEs per million among 12-15-year-old boys was 162.2, while it was 94.0 in 16-17-year-old boys. Among girls, the equivalent rates were 13.0 and 13.4 per million respectively.
The study suggests that the rate of CAE was 3.7 to 6.1 times higher among healthy 12-15-year-old boys than their risk of hospitalisation from Covid-19 in 120 days as of August 21. The rate of CAE was 2.6-4.3-fold higher at times of high weekly hospitalization risk, such as during January 2021.
“For boys 16-17 without medical comorbidities, the rate of CAE is currently 2.1 to 3.5 times higher than their 120-day Covid-19 hospitalization risk, and 1.5 to 2.5 times higher at times of high weekly Covid-19 hospitalization,” the study says.[/QUOTE]
[url]https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/healthy-boys-more-likely-to-be-hospitalised-with-pfizer-side-effect-than-covid-study-101631353224894.html[/url]
Full study:
[url]https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.30.21262866v1[/url]
Not sure if re-post
[QUOTE=gachase21;1646829773]Any legit thoughts on this?
[url]https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/healthy-boys-more-likely-to-be-hospitalised-with-pfizer-side-effect-than-covid-study-101631353224894.html[/url]
Full study:
[url]https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.30.21262866v1[/url]
Not sure if re-post[/QUOTE]
That was interesting, I never did think healthy young people should be vaxxed
[QUOTE=gachase21;1646829773]Any legit thoughts on this?
[url]https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/healthy-boys-more-likely-to-be-hospitalised-with-pfizer-side-effect-than-covid-study-101631353224894.html[/url]
Full study:
[url]https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.30.21262866v1[/url]
Not sure if re-post[/QUOTE]
Adult adverse reactions are likely being massively suppressed as well. My wife’s mom had a heart attack within a few days of second dose, as did someone I work with. Of course neither were attributed to the vaccine, and perhaps they were just happenstance. 400 deaths attributed to covid in 17 and younger and those were likely all death with rather than from covid (cancer etc). People are brainwashed if they think the vaccine is as safe or effective as indicated by the media etc. 50% of the current cases at my work are in vaccinated people. I personally see very little upside to mandating vaccinations considering the real world efficacy of the currently available vaccines. Of course that is not the message from the loud speaker, so my personal feelings are do whatever you want. I don’t think the country is going survive this blunder of an administration with the direction things are heading.
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1646542083]If most neutralizing antibodies to a virus ... ....[/QUOTE]
Thank you for the explanation!
[QUOTE=exrepubusa;1646836233]if anti vaxxers have their way, measles, mumps, rubella, whooping cough, polio, chicken pox, etc will all come roaring back, but the stupid pos anti vaxxers will still blame biden like they do for everything else, trump has done immeasurable damage to the us and the world[/QUOTE]
Don't conflate anti-vaxxers with people not wanting a C19 vax. They are not the same.
How many adverse medical reactions are allowable?
In this case 257/2,000,000( 26 girls and 162+94 boys) and news reports show myocarditis resolves relatively quickly with no long term issues. But no I wouldn't want my kid to be 1 of the 257.
Pretty good percentages if you ask me.
1,743,000 did not have a bad reaction
[QUOTE=ManwittaPlan;1646817103]that wont happen
covid beds are already spoken for, even if empty. would be best to have some ER staff chime in.
the heart attack patient will have to wait for an ICU bed and the covid patient for a covid ICU bed[/QUOTE]
This ER Doc said he had to hold on to non covid emergency cases that needed ICU beds and none were available because of covid.
[url]https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1436826925234860034[/url]