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[QUOTE=Cass40;1642560903]Look I know this thread is 106 pages long but y'all should remember I told you I got J&J ;)[/QUOTE]
I never doubted you, love.
I'm half vaccinated. People in Walmart were talking to themselves about me, saying, "That's the damn half-vaxxer. Let's get him."
Crazy.
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[QUOTE=LWW;1642553463]I'm writing a 20 page paper for school, plus I have some other work problems that need researching. Since you don't seem to care, I figured you'd have some knowledge, guess not?
I write a few paragraphs and check here just to keep some sanity (well maybe that don't sound right?), but hey, it's hell coming up with 20 pages of BS:D
And I got an exam next week:)[/QUOTE]
i have been covered since April, i stopped paying attention as much; i figured if it was a scary problem then you could inform us so we can worry also.
Much can still be accomplished in life on the foundation of simplicity.
I have no problem with being labeled a cretin, in fact I will begin a training journal called the cretin sessions, stay tuned!
[QUOTE=mgftp;1642512383]
I respect anonymity on the misc but I am dying to know what type of position you hold within the healthcare industry.... And why you continue to work within it with the feelings your harbor.[/QUOTE]
I live in a conservative area, so there's plenty in the healthcare industry here that don't just blindly agree with their leaders and we ask difficult questions that authoritarians are having a difficult time answering.
It's just a job in a highly sought after field. I'm not just going to walk away because my views are different. That's what liberals tend to do, exist within echo chambers. I'm more libertarian than any other political label.
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FDA warns of increased risk of Guillain-Barre, a rare neurological disorder, following the Johnson & Johnson vaccine after 100 preliminary cases of the syndrome were reported among the 12.5 million doses administered.
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1642697263]FDA warns of increased risk of Guillain-Barre, a rare neurological disorder, following the Johnson & Johnson vaccine after 100 preliminary cases of the syndrome were reported among the 12.5 million doses administered.[/QUOTE]
I read that earlier, about 6X the normal expected incidence rate among vaccinated. A lot of strange sides can occur with vaccine or various illnesses. It sure seems to me the “data” is much more supportive of the mRNA vaccines versus the more traditional option. Seems odd, no bad press for Pfizer/Moderna despite some pretty significant cardiovascular incidents in young people. Johnson & Johnson better up their kickbacks to the people that matter or they might get canceled. Then everyone who got those will be requested to get the better covid juice.
I got Pfizer 1 & 2. I got my first shot in Jan and the second one in Feb. This is, I am type-2 diabetic, spinal cord injury, gulf war syndrome, etc. All sorts of Immunodeficient. This covid stuff is the reason I set up a home gym and only work out at home. I do go to the pool but it is easy to keep my distance there.
I don't blame ya. Oh laawd it's been crazy.. I have gone to the beaches but Huntington Beach last weekend topped everything and it was so packed. If we didn't get covid, we never will. Even the bands are inside now, and oh yeah made a big mistake thinking its a good idea to use a public bathroom in a beach..do not recommend.
Gym was pretty packed too. Damn...I can't really even afford a common cold rn as I have costochondritis and coughing hurts so much. I'm a bit skeered.
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1642697263]FDA warns of increased risk of Guillain-Barre, a rare neurological disorder, following the Johnson & Johnson vaccine after 100 preliminary cases of the syndrome were reported among the 12.5 million doses administered.[/QUOTE]
That's it. No more poking. I'm done!
Not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country!
......off to Nam you go to stop communism, I’m off to Havana with Sinatra to get sum pussy!!!
See yall in hell..........
[QUOTE=LWW;1642706033]Not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country!
......off to Nam you go to stop communism, I’m off to Havana with Sinatra to get sum pussy!!!
See yall in hell..........[/QUOTE]
That is the least gay thing you've ever said.
I am proud of you!
[QUOTE=Cass40;1642701363]I don't blame ya. Oh laawd it's been crazy.. I have gone to the beaches but Huntington Beach last weekend topped everything and it was so packed. If we didn't get covid, we never will. Even the bands are inside now, and oh yeah made a big mistake thinking its a good idea to use a public bathroom in a beach..do not recommend.
Gym was pretty packed too. Damn...I can't really even afford a common cold rn as [B]I have costochondritis[/B] and coughing hurts so much. I'm a bit skeered.[/QUOTE]
I have the same thing. Never even heard of it until I looked it up a few weeks ago. Whenever I cough, I have to brace my entire upper body to keep the pain manageable. Stupid bronchitis....
[QUOTE=Cass40;1642701363]Oh laawd it's been crazy.. I have gone to the beaches but Huntington Beach last weekend topped everything and it was so packed. If we didn't get covid, we never will. Even the bands are inside now, and oh yeah made a big mistake thinking its a good idea to use a public bathroom in a beach..do not recommend.
Gym was pretty packed too. Damn...I can't really even afford a common cold rn as I have costochondritis and coughing hurts so much. I'm a bit skeered.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, yeah, the discos are nice and packed now!!!
To be honest, I was still going to the underground Raves during Covid, doing E with some freaky babes and making out with 'em!
I dress like Elton John at those gatherings, I have his hair line:D
[QUOTE=bustasinclair;1642715993]I have the same thing. Never even heard of it until I looked it up a few weeks ago. Whenever I cough, I have to brace my entire upper body to keep the pain manageable. Stupid bronchitis....[/QUOTE]
Me neither. Man..I thought I was having a heart attack and dying. Went to urgent care and they took all the tests, said it was costochondritis and not heart related. It hurts to cough, sneeze, laugh, even hiccup. Can't lift properly, no bench press, dips, even deadlifts are hard but sumo deadlifts are a bit easier. Sucks.
[QUOTE=LWW;1642716833]Yeah, yeah, the discos are nice and packed now!!!
To be honest, I was still going to the underground Raves during Covid, doing E with some freaky babes and making out with 'em!
I dress like Elton John at those gatherings, I have his hair line:D[/QUOTE]
Lmfao..you were not in any raves doing E, you were in your couch wearing pajamas and slippers and watching reruns with your wife.
[QUOTE=Cass40;1642724013]Me neither. Man..I thought I was having a heart attack and dying. Went to urgent care and they took all the tests, said it was costochondritis and not heart related. It hurts to cough, sneeze, laugh, even hiccup. Can't lift properly, no bench press, dips, even deadlifts are hard but sumo deadlifts are a bit easier. Sucks.[/QUOTE]
I hope you get better somehow :(
[QUOTE=Cass40;1642701363]...I can't really even afford a common cold rn as I have costochondritis and coughing hurts so much. I'm a bit skeered.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=bustasinclair;1642715993]I have the same thing. Never even heard of it until I looked it up a few weeks ago. Whenever I cough, I have to brace my entire upper body to keep the pain manageable. Stupid bronchitis....[/QUOTE]
Damn Cass and Busta, that sounds awful, so many things involve that area of the body it has to be hell. I have never heard of this before, I wish you all the best with this.
[QUOTE=bustasinclair;1642715993]I have the same thing. Never even heard of it until I looked it up a few weeks ago. Whenever I cough, I have to brace my entire upper body to keep the pain manageable. Stupid bronchitis....[/QUOTE]
Sorry I missed this. Is this permanent? Treatable?
In 2 different jobs I've had the guy sitting next to me have costochondritis, both cases it was for no known cause (idopathic) so not after a workout or anything, just a case of "s**t happens". One guy was in so much pain at the weekend suddenly he thought it was a heart attack, he got better reasonably quickly although it was weeks. The other guy was very strong and fit but not associated with exercise injury, was bad for him especially he said he couldn't sleep. Went on for some time with no improvement but for him anyway a tube of extra strength diclofenac (voltaren) gel was the thing that kickstarted recovery
Hope this works for you Cass, if the docs have only said rest and wait, maybe that is worth a try?
[QUOTE=Cass40;1642706343]That is the least gay thing you've ever said.
I am proud of you![/QUOTE]
Why, is cause I said getting sum pussy?
[QUOTE=Mark1T;1642742093]Sorry I missed this. Is this permanent? Treatable?[/QUOTE]
I think Cass got an actual diagnosis, but I didn't; I just plugged the symptoms into a google search and self diagnosed. I don't think it's permanent as it will heal with time. It feels much like a pectoral tear, but much, much, much worse pain. I've never been stabbed in the chest, but I'm pretty sure this is what it feels like. Whenever I get ready to cough or sneeze, I look like I'm giving myself the Heimlich manuever. I get some strange looks.
I think I'm about 75% healed as it's been almost a month since it started and the pain isn't nearly as bad anymore. I caught some nasty virus from my fiancé; both of us were affected by it for over three weeks.
[QUOTE=bustasinclair;1642746073]I think Cass got an actual diagnosis, but I didn't; I just plugged the symptoms into a google search and self diagnosed. I don't think it's permanent as it will heal with time. It feels much like a pectoral tear, but much, much, much worse pain. I've never been stabbed in the chest, but I'm pretty sure this is what it feels like. Whenever I get ready to cough or sneeze, I look like I'm giving myself the Heimlich manuever. I get some strange looks.
I think I'm about 75% healed as it's been almost a month since it started and the pain isn't nearly as bad anymore. I caught some nasty virus from my fiancé; both of us were affected by it for over three weeks.[/QUOTE]
All the best
[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1642742763]In 2 different jobs I've had the guy sitting next to me have costochondritis, both cases it was for no known cause (idopathic) so not after a workout or anything, just a case of "s**t happens". One guy was in so much pain at the weekend suddenly he thought it was a heart attack, he got better reasonably quickly although it was weeks. The other guy was very strong and fit but not associated with exercise injury, was bad for him especially he said he couldn't sleep. Went on for some time with no improvement but for him anyway a tube of extra strength diclofenac (voltaren) gel was the thing that kickstarted recovery
Hope this works for you Cass, if the docs have only said rest and wait, maybe that is worth a try?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=bustasinclair;1642746073]I think Cass got an actual diagnosis, but I didn't; I just plugged the symptoms into a google search and self diagnosed. I don't think it's permanent as it will heal with time. It feels much like a pectoral tear, but much, much, much worse pain. I've never been stabbed in the chest, but I'm pretty sure this is what it feels like. Whenever I get ready to cough or sneeze, I look like I'm giving myself the Heimlich manuever. I get some strange looks.
I think I'm about 75% healed as it's been almost a month since it started and the pain isn't nearly as bad anymore. I caught some nasty virus from my fiancé; both of us were affected by it for over three weeks.[/QUOTE]
Wishes for a speedy recovery! Well, as fast as one can from that s**t.
[QUOTE=Mark1T;1642724953]I hope you get better somehow :([/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1642734793]Damn Cass and Busta, that sounds awful, so many things involve that area of the body it has to be hell. I have never heard of this before, I wish you all the best with this.[/QUOTE]
Thank u <3
[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1642742763]In 2 different jobs I've had the guy sitting next to me have costochondritis, both cases it was for no known cause (idopathic) so not after a workout or anything, just a case of "s**t happens". One guy was in so much pain at the weekend suddenly he thought it was a heart attack, he got better reasonably quickly although it was weeks. The other guy was very strong and fit but not associated with exercise injury, was bad for him especially he said he couldn't sleep. Went on for some time with no improvement but for him anyway a tube of extra strength diclofenac (voltaren) gel was the thing that kickstarted recovery
Hope this works for you Cass, if the docs have only said rest and wait, maybe that is worth a try?[/QUOTE]
Thank you. I think mine was from lifting. I took one week off when it first happened but now I'm just working around the pain. Can't do certain things at all like bench or dips, not even light.
Funnily enough, I can now do back squats and I don't feel any costochondritis symptoms at all. That used to be my most difficult lift cos of sciatica.
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1642697263]FDA warns of increased risk of Guillain-Barre, a rare neurological disorder, following the Johnson & Johnson vaccine after 100 preliminary cases of the syndrome were reported among the 12.5 million doses administered.[/QUOTE]My best friend's grown son is currently going through Guillain-Barre. Paralyzed from the neck down. The doctors do not think that it is covid related, but I don't think that they could rule out the possibility since G-B is brought on by viral infection. His G-B is not Johnson & Johnson related since his case began before his age group qualified to recieve the vaccines.
[url]https://www.ninds.nih.gov/Disorders/Patient-Caregiver-Education/Fact-Sheets/Guillain-Barr%C3%A9-Syndrome-Fact-Sheet[/url]
[QUOTE=deadwoodgregg;1642752713]My best friend's grown son is currently going through Guillain-Barre. Paralyzed from the neck down. The doctors do not think that it is covid related, but I don't think that they could rule out the possibility since G-B is brought on by viral infection. His G-B is not Johnson & Johnson related since his case began before his age group qualified to recieve the vaccines.
[url]https://www.ninds.nih.gov/Disorders/Patient-Caregiver-Education/Fact-Sheets/Guillain-Barr%C3%A9-Syndrome-Fact-Sheet[/url][/QUOTE]
That's horrible. Paralyzed from neck down?? Is that permanent?
[QUOTE=Cass40;1642757933]That's horrible. Paralyzed from neck down?? Is that permanent?[/QUOTE]From the link above
Guillain-Barré syndrome can be a devastating disorder because of its sudden and rapid, unexpected onset of weakness—and usually actual paralysis. Fortunately, 70% of people with GBS eventually experience full recovery. With careful intensive care and successful treatment of infection, autonomic dysfunction and other medical complications, even those individuals with respiratory failure usually survive.
Typically, the point of greatest weakness occurs days to at most 4 weeks after the first symptoms occur. Symptoms then stabilize at this level for a period of days, weeks, or, sometimes months. Recovery, however, can be slow or incomplete. The recovery period may be as little as a few weeks up to a few years. Some individuals still report ongoing improvement after 2 years. About 30 percent of those with Guillain-Barré have residual weakness after 3 years. About 3 percent may suffer a relapse of muscle weakness and tingling sensations many years after the initial attack. About 15 percent of individuals experience long-term weakness; some may require ongoing use of a walker, wheelchair, or ankle support. Muscle strength may not return uniformly.
Back in 2006 my Dad had an episode of Guillain-Barré syndrome.
I had to climb to a second story window and break into his house, he didn't answer the phone for 2 days.
There he was on the floor and couldn't move or talk!
Within in 30 hours he was back to 100% normal, the Doctors were shocked......
[QUOTE=deadwoodgregg;1642752713]My best friend's grown son is currently going through Guillain-Barre. Paralyzed from the neck down. The doctors do not think that it is covid related, but I don't think that they could rule out the possibility since G-B is brought on by viral infection. His G-B is not Johnson & Johnson related since his case began before his age group qualified to recieve the vaccines.
[url]https://www.ninds.nih.gov/Disorders/Patient-Caregiver-Education/Fact-Sheets/Guillain-Barr%C3%A9-Syndrome-Fact-Sheet[/url][/QUOTE]
Damn. I read the link you provided Gregg it was an eye opener, this sh!t is no joke, wishing your friends son all the best with this.
[QUOTE=Bosko;1642764553]Back in 2006 my Dad had an episode of Guillain-Barré syndrome.
I had to climb to a second story window and break into his house, he didn't answer the phone for 2 days.
There he was on the floor and couldn't move or talk!
Within in 30 hours he was back to 100% normal, the Doctors were shocked......[/QUOTE]
Wow Bosko, must have been scary to find him in that kind of shape, he must have gone through hell as well just laying there unable to do anything.. I don't even want to think about it.. Glad he got through it
[QUOTE=Bosko;1642764553]Back in 2006 my Dad had an episode of Guillain-Barré syndrome.
I had to climb to a second story window and break into his house, he didn't answer the phone for 2 days.
There he was on the floor and couldn't move or talk!
Within in 30 hours he was back to 100% normal, the Doctors were shocked......[/QUOTE]
Your dad would be an extreme outlier if it really was Guillain-Barre. I am almost sure it wasn't. The etiology is an autoimmune response against your own peripheral nerves. That simply doesn't go away in a day or two even with massive doses of steroids. We can't completely shut down the immune response and get the inflammation to resolve that fast. My guess is your dad had something else.
As far as costochondritis, it does get better. I'm surprised you guys weren't given NSAIDS, although they'd likely have a minimal effect on recovery time. My 105lb daughter was doing hip thrusters with some stupid amount of weight and her elbow slipped or something while she was levering her back onto the bench. She has a very localized costochondritis now too because she dislocated one of her upper ribs transiently. I told her it would be a couple of months before she could do any serious lifting that flexes that area. Otherwise she'll just prolong the inflammation. Hope you guys get better soon.
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1642770753]your dad had something else.
[/QUOTE]
No he didn't....are you a medical Doctor???
Like I said, the Doctors were amazed.....
[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1642040403]If someone had Covid and later has the vaccine they will have a stronger and longer lasting immunity[/QUOTE]
LOL no. Funny to read tho.
[QUOTE=sy2502;1642773753]LOL no. Funny to read tho.[/QUOTE]
So, the Italian Empress of Supremacy decides to pop in :cool:
;)
[QUOTE=Mark1T;1642775253]So, the Italian Empress of Supremacy decides to pop in :cool:
;)[/QUOTE]
Sorry buddy, been really busy these days and besides I'm tired of talking about covid, by now all the covid threads have been either confirmed or scrapped by facts. No states that opened did not have a catastrophe, yes Fauci is a POS, yes they reported more deaths for covid than there really were, no countries with socialized healthcare didn't do better than the US, yes the virus could have come from a China lab... Now the threads have veered on the vaccine subject. In a few months the facts will prove who's right and who's wrong.
But yeah, somebody saying someone who had covid and the vaccine is somehow more immune than someone who just had covid was too spectacular to let it slide.
[QUOTE=Bosko;1642771043]No he didn't....are you a medical Doctor???
Like I said, the Doctors were amazed.....[/QUOTE]
Yes, I am a physician. Did they do a lumbar puncture and an EMG? Did he have plasmapheresis or receive immune globulins? Guillain-Barre doesn't resolve 100% in 30 hours. If you tell me he was worked up at an academic medical center where they found elevated protein in his CSF, did nerve conduction studies that were consistent with it, and ruled out toxins and other more likely etiologies, then I'll consider it to be unlikely, but not impossible. If they were certain it was GB and it resolved in 30 hours, it would be a write up in a medical journal. It's so far out of the normal course that I'd doubt it if one of my old neurology attendings put it down as the diagnosis. I'd also understand why it's a reasonable diagnosis to put down.
Guillain-Barre is a nice easy to remember name for acute inflammatory demyelinating polyradiculoneuropathy. GB tells you nothing, but the descriptive name tells you what it actually does. Do you think myelin recovers in 30 hours? Most studies have shown it takes weeks, and that would be without an ongoing autoimmune reaction.
I suspect they didn't know the etiology and needed a diagnosis in order to get your dad's care covered. After recovery, there's no real concern about someone who has had GB getting something worse later in life. It's a safe diagnosis for him. No future stigma, bills get covered, paperwork gets done. Perfect for when you have to put something down for reimbursement.
I'm not trying to be mean or belittle your story. Whatever your dad had, it sounds serious, very scary, and I'm glad he's OK, but based on your description, it was more likely a case of "we couldn't find anything else, so let's call it GB", than a true case of autoimmune mediated peripheral demyelination. The people getting GB due to COVID or a vaccine won't be recovering in 30 hours. They'll be miserable for a while, miss a lot of work, possibly have long term sequalae, and it's important to consider that when we discuss the risks from a vaccine or the risks from SARS CoV2.
[QUOTE=sy2502;1642776523]Sorry buddy, been really busy these days and besides I'm tired of talking about covid, by now all the covid threads have been either confirmed or scrapped by facts. No states that opened did not have a catastrophe, yes Fauci is a POS, yes they reported more deaths for covid than there really were, no countries with socialized healthcare didn't do better than the US, yes the virus could have come from a China lab... Now the threads have veered on the vaccine subject. In a few months the facts will prove who's right and who's wrong.
But yeah, somebody saying someone who had covid and the vaccine is somehow more immune than someone who just had covid was too spectacular to let it slide.[/QUOTE]
Pretty good synopsis, sy. Have you been working remotely or have they made you show your face yet?
[QUOTE=sy2502;1642773753]LOL no. Funny to read tho.[/QUOTE]
Actually, there's some evidence of what you quoted as being true if you are talking about cross immunity to the variants. You will have measurable antibodies for a longer period of time and that does correlate with a decreased risk of getting a different strain.
But for the most part, I'd agree with you. Most of the decrease we'll see in people who got a booster shot post "COVID" is due to the fact that some of the people in the group didn't actually have it. They had a false positive test or were mis-diagnosed, and their booster shot was actually their only shot. The benefit to people who actually had COVID is probably insignificant with our current vaccines.
[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1642549613]Just a simple answer, yes, if the state sends them.
I don't get personally offended when people knock at my door; i answer(or not) and dismiss them quickly or inquire more about what they are selling.
Having options doesn't scare me one bit.[/QUOTE]
If and when they do start doing this, what makes you think there will be any legitimate options?
[QUOTE=sy2502;1642773753]LOL no. Funny to read tho.[/QUOTE]
He’s actually right.
[QUOTE=Bosko;1642764553]Back in 2006 my Dad had an episode of Guillain-Barré syndrome.
I had to climb to a second story window and break into his house, he didn't answer the phone for 2 days.
There he was on the floor and couldn't move or talk!
Within in 30 hours he was back to 100% normal, the Doctors were shocked......[/QUOTE]
Wow! Maybe he was pretending cuz you had to go thru all that trouble to get to him? lol j/k
I’m glad he’s fine. :)
Best of luck and speedy recovery y’all!
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1642779593]Actually, there's some evidence of what you quoted as being true if you are talking about cross immunity to the variants. You will have measurable antibodies for a longer period of time and that does correlate with a decreased risk of getting a different strain.
But for the most part, I'd agree with you. Most of the decrease we'll see in people who got a booster shot post "COVID" is due to the fact that some of the people in the group didn't actually have it. They had a false positive test or were mis-diagnosed, and their booster shot was actually their only shot. The benefit to people who actually had COVID is probably insignificant with our current vaccines.[/QUOTE]
Seeing an immune response to a vaccine does not equal increased protection. The level of confirmed reinfection is so low that it is essentially nonexistent outside of people with an immune system condition. As of several months ago there were fewer than 200 cases, globally, of confirmed reinfection. Sure there are a lot of “suspected” reinfection cases, but the number of test confirmed duplicate cases is so low it is within the threshold of being a false positive test on one of the cases. So I’d love to see any documentation that you have to support this.
[QUOTE=Reliance012;1642784793]He’s actually right.[/QUOTE]
See my post above.
I officially got fired yesterday from my job. I couldn't access my work email and stuff and when I called IT they told me that I no longer work there anymore.
[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1642789893]Seeing an immune response to a vaccine does not equal increased protection. The level of confirmed reinfection is so low that it is essentially nonexistent outside of people with an immune system condition. As of several months ago there were fewer than 200 cases, globally, of confirmed reinfection. Sure there are a lot of “suspected” reinfection cases, but the number of test confirmed duplicate cases is so low it is within the threshold of being a false positive test on one of the cases. So I’d love to see any documentation that you have to support this.[/QUOTE]
Nonsense. Within a single study they found 62 people reinfected out of 9,100 severe disease cases. Other studies have showed similar rates of reinfection.
[url]https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab345/6251701[/url]
Reinfection is rare, but it does happen and it is not negligible.
The facts are these: in vivo studies demonstrate superior immune responses after a recovered host is vaccinated vs. recovered and not vaccinated. That is what Tom said, and it is true. If you want to make an argument that those responses 1) should not be used to make conclusions about disease protection and/or 2) the benefits they do provide do not outweigh the risk of vaccination, then that is a different argument.
[QUOTE=sy2502;1642773753]LOL no. Funny to read tho.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I was very wrong. I had believed the explanations given to me by the NHS and P.P. corrected me.
As I did some research, after that it's odd what proportion of the advice we're given here, stated as researched fact, has no research basis and a growing body of evidence that it's incorrect. Still pro vax for those who'd benefit, just increasingly fed up with the political machinery controlling medical "facts"
[QUOTE=MinisterOfLust;1642796123]I officially got fired yesterday from my job. I couldn't access my work email and stuff and when I called IT they told me that I no longer work there anymore.[/QUOTE]
So sorry to read this brother, I have been following your posts hoping for a different outcome. Hell of a way to find out also.
[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1642801363]Yeah, I was very wrong. I had believed the explanations given to me by the NHS and P.P. corrected me.
As I did some research, after that it's odd what proportion of the advice we're given here, stated as researched fact, has no research basis and a growing body of evidence that it's incorrect. Still pro vax for those who'd benefit, just increasingly fed up with the political machinery controlling medical "facts"[/QUOTE]
I’m pro-vaccine as well, overall. It is less risky than the disease for probably any healthy 40+ YO overall. The deceit used to push it is disturbing. I’ve worked in both the public and private sectors, and am very aware of the game of people bouncing back and fourth from regulatory / policy / decision making public sector jobs and private sector for profit companies. The people who sell products and services also create the regulations / policy /recommendations for the public sector through revolving door jobs, special interest groups, and lobbyists. However, people need to be able to make their own decisions, which is increasingly difficult with misinformation and suppression of information from the people who are supposed to provide factual data. This happens across all sectors in the US FDA, EPA, CDC, DOL, etc etc. and in most other developed countries. The amount of negative effects from vaccination are low, but not nonexistent. The risks from the disease are higher, but also low overall in healthy people w/out comorbidities.
[url]https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/14/entertainment/catt-sadler-covid/index.html[/url]
Breakthrough case of covid...fukn chit.
I’ve been dining out every other day almost recently with my chick. We better be careful...
[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1642789893]Seeing an immune response to a vaccine does not equal increased protection. The level of confirmed reinfection is so low that it is essentially nonexistent outside of people with an immune system condition. As of several months ago there were fewer than 200 cases, globally, of confirmed reinfection. Sure there are a lot of “suspected” reinfection cases, but the number of test confirmed duplicate cases is so low it is within the threshold of being a false positive test on one of the cases. So I’d love to see any documentation that you have to support this.[/QUOTE]
Support what? You pretty much said exactly what I said. Read my post again. I specified cross strain immunity when I mentioned antibody levels. If you'd like me to clarify that the studies showing a correlation between cross strain viral immunity and antibody levels weren't done with SARS, that's fine. I haven't seen any data on SARS regarding that yet, but is it your belief that antibody levels have zero correlation with your immunity to a different strain of SARS? Do a lit search for cross reactive immunity and viral strains. An article in nature discussed this, so did one in Frontiers in Immunology, but those were about SARS. You'll need to filter out the ones about SARS. I clearly said most of the benefit would be due to vaccinating people who only thought they had COVID. I'll see if I can get the references from a presentation on this I attended for you too, if I run into the doc who gave it.