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[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1652515393]That is a perfect summation of what every conspiracy nut is saying in r and p as well as the misc. Well said[/QUOTE]
And somehow they don't connect the dots that if someone is dead that someone can no longer contribute to big pharma's bottom line.
[QUOTE=TryingBB;1652502853]I see a lack of common sense cuz seems like you think virus is real and you don’t want covid but then you also think vaccine and mask is stupid.
If you know for sure you cancel diners and gatherings. But then you go fearless into a mall full of people or wherever you go potentially exposing yourself to those may have covid.
Do you even hear yourself?
Thread is more fun since you came back :D[/QUOTE]
You catch Covid from being close to someone for long periods of time, not out shopping or from strangers at a restaurant.
Do some critical thinking Dad the outbreaks came from nursing homes and housing projects not football games.
I nor my wife ever caught Covid going places at the sometime everyone we knew had it because they all got together. There is no need to mandate a vaccine for this at all. Also I don't go out fearless in actually careful I prefer careful over a mandated vaccine.
Stop letting gubmint tell you what to do be your own man. If you like vaccines get one but don't think mandates are the answer.
[QUOTE=PlanoLifter;1652516373]And somehow they don't connect the dots that if someone is dead that someone can no longer contribute to big pharma's bottom line.[/QUOTE]
true, how is the marathon relative recovering?
[QUOTE=LWW;1652516883]You catch Covid from being close to someone for long periods of time, not out shopping or from strangers at a restaurant.
Do some critical thinking Dad the outbreaks came from nursing homes and housing projects not football games.
I nor my wife ever caught Covid going places at the sometime everyone we knew had it because they all got together. There is no need to mandate a vaccine for this at all. Also I don't go out fearless in actually careful I prefer careful over a mandated vaccine.
Stop letting gubmint tell you what to do be your own man. If you like vaccines get one but don't think mandates are the answer.[/QUOTE]
I echo this..
LWW - Gets a lot of hate around here. But he actually makes very good points on many issues. I'm not siding with him cuz he said 'gubmint.' Cuz gubmint truly is evil.
[QUOTE=NorwichGrad;1652518163]... Cuz gubmint truly is evil.[/QUOTE]
You also say that 'taxation is theft'. Do you not use any of the infrastructure that tax dollars pay for?
[QUOTE=LWW;1652516883]You catch Covid from being close to someone for long periods of time, not out shopping or from strangers at a restaurant.
Do some critical thinking Dad the outbreaks came from nursing homes and housing projects not football games.
I nor my wife ever caught Covid going places at the sometime everyone we knew had it because they all got together. There is no need to mandate a vaccine for this at all. Also I don't go out fearless in actually careful I prefer careful over a mandated vaccine.
Stop letting gubmint tell you what to do be your own man. If you like vaccines get one but don't think mandates are the answer.[/QUOTE]
You're right and wrong. Close contact will increase the risk of getting a high load of the virus, but .5 micron particles can take hours to settle and are large enough to carry the virus. The mall would be low risk if you stay out of stores and avoid everyone, but people can draw the line wherever they like. That said, if a business or person asks you to wear a mask, you should wear one without complaining. It's just common courtesy now and you look foolish getting your panties in a bunch over something so easy to do.
I was at a guitar store buying my son's Christmas present yesterday and this guy and his wife, probably mid 70's, read the sign on the door which said masks are required. The guy opened the door, asked the owner if masks were really required, and then said he was going to the guitar center 20 minutes away. His wife gave him an annoyed look and we laughed as they drove off. They were going to find the same policy at the guitar center and every music store in Raleigh. I'd actually come from the guitar center. So basically that couple can't try any instruments before they buy and were just wasting time and gas driving around while he annoyed his wife. They did put on seat belts when they got into their car and drove off though.
[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1652518123]true, how is the marathon relative recovering?[/QUOTE]
After 18 months he's running again (he was able to start 1-2 months back). Not marathon distances yet - just 1-2 km. But he's on the right track.
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1652519773]You're right and wrong. Close contact will increase the risk of getting a high load of the virus, but .5 micron particles can take hours to settle and are large enough to carry the virus. The mall would be low risk if you stay out of stores and avoid everyone, but people can draw the line wherever they like. That said, if a business or person asks you to wear a mask, you should wear one without complaining. It's just common courtesy now and you look foolish getting your panties in a bunch over something so easy to do.
I was at a guitar store buying my son's Christmas present yesterday and this guy and his wife, probably mid 70's, read the sign on the door which said masks are required. The guy opened the door, asked the owner if masks were really required, and then said he was going to the guitar center 20 minutes away. His wife gave him an annoyed look and we laughed as they drove off. They were going to find the same policy at the guitar center and every music store in Raleigh. I'd actually come from the guitar center. So basically that couple can't try any instruments before they buy and were just wasting time and gas driving around while he annoyed his wife. They did put on seat belts when they got into their car and drove off though.[/QUOTE]
What about football games with tens of thousands of fans packed into stadiums? Are they as safe as LWW claims? My sense is they are not, but I could be wrong.
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1652519773]You're right and wrong. Close contact will increase the risk of getting a high load of the virus, but .5 micron particles can take hours to settle and are large enough to carry the virus. The mall would be low risk if you stay out of stores and avoid everyone, but people can draw the line wherever they like. That said, if a business or person asks you to wear a mask, you should wear one without complaining. It's just common courtesy now and you look foolish getting your panties in a bunch over something so easy to do.
I was at a guitar store buying my son's Christmas present yesterday and this guy and his wife, probably mid 70's, read the sign on the door which said masks are required. The guy opened the door, asked the owner if masks were really required, and then said he was going to the guitar center 20 minutes away. His wife gave him an annoyed look and we laughed as they drove off. They were going to find the same policy at the guitar center and every music store in Raleigh. I'd actually come from the guitar center. So basically that couple can't try any instruments before they buy and were just wasting time and gas driving around while he annoyed his wife. They did put on seat belts when they got into their car and drove off though.[/QUOTE]
First of all you are changing this from vaccine cards to masks. But still i think it is childish to not let someone enter a store if they lost their mask. Yes it is difficult to carry and buy masks for your entire life. This virus is not a death sentence to most. The people at risk should get a vaccine. I mean how stupid can a person be to not think critical and deny entry into a store with zero to a handful of people? This is the same issues with police some follow the book to a tee and cant think so they lock up someone for a joint.
[QUOTE=PlanoLifter;1652520713]What about football games with tens of thousands of fans packed into stadiums? Are they as safe as LWW claims? My sense is they are not, but I could be wrong.[/QUOTE]
You depending on an event to keep you safe is your first mistake. Gubmint puts that inside your heads. Its very bad way to go thur life i suggest I new thought process!
[QUOTE=supramax;1652518903]You also say that 'taxation is theft'. Do you not use any of the infrastructure that tax dollars pay for?[/QUOTE]
Taxation not only is theft. It is also slavery.
Question 1: Let's say you paid off your mortgage, is the house really yours? What happens if you don't pay property tax? Local gubmint will seize it.
Question 2: Let's say you have NO kids. Why should you pay school tax? Let's say you send your kids to private school, why should you pay school tax? Public edge muh cashion doesn't work. Look at the products of this gubmint fiasco.
Question 3: How much did you spend on grocery a month ago? How much do you spend now? Inflation is a form of tax.
Question 4: It's a proven fact that private companies are more efficient than gubmint organizations. Whatever gubmint does, the private sector can do better for a lot less. Example, cull edge. Why is cull edge so expensive? Why is healthcare so expensive? Cuz both are subsidized by gubmint through taxes. Subsidies raise prices. Privatize edge muh cashion and healthcare and watch the quality increase and cost decrease. This is the magic of capitalism.
I can go on and on.
Because taxation is indeed theft.
[QUOTE=LWW;1652521883]You depending on an event to keep you safe is your first mistake. Gubmint puts that inside your heads. Its very bad way to go thur life i suggest I new thought process![/QUOTE]
Huh? I'm not depending on an event to keep me safe. Go back and read my post again - maybe this time you'll understand it. I'm simply questioning if packed football stadiums are as safe as you seem to think they are.
[QUOTE=LWW;1652516883]You catch Covid from being close to someone for long periods of time, not out shopping or from strangers at a restaurant.
Do some critical thinking Dad the outbreaks came from nursing homes and housing projects not football games.
I nor my wife ever caught Covid going places at the sometime everyone we knew had it because they all got together. There is no need to mandate a vaccine for this at all. Also I don't go out fearless in actually careful I prefer careful over a mandated vaccine.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=LWW;1652516883] be your own man.[/QUOTE]
The level of Hypocrisy is over the top.
You don't get to tell people to be their own man. Your man card was revoked last May when you sucked your tiny nuts into your stomach and got a needle you said you would never get. That card was destroyed when you sucked them up even farther and got the second dose.
You need to be your own man and stop letting people tell you what to do. Here I got you a starter kit, Maybe one day you can be your own man too. Good Luck! :D
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[QUOTE=NorwichGrad;1652521983]Taxation ... is indeed theft.[/QUOTE]
The question that you neglected to answer was:
[b]"Do you not use any of the infrastructure that tax dollars pay for?[/b]
[QUOTE=supramax;1652523163]The question that you neglected to answer was:
[b]"Do you not use any of the infrastructure that tax dollars pay for?[/b][/QUOTE]
Of course. We all do. So what?
The infrastructure would still be there with or without gubmint. Cuz Humans are excellent at progressing.
So you're basically justifying the existence of evil gubmint so you can drive your car that you paid taxes on including sales and yearly registration and put gas in it that's controlled by petro so you can drive on gubmint road on your way to work where you pay 40% income tax thinking you're free? (I know, I excluding many punctuation marks.)
This 'but without gubmint who gunn build muh roadz' is the same mentality that led humanity to its current state.
I say again, whatever gubmint does, the private sector can do better. Just look at Elon Musk versus NASA. Just look at the military fiasco after pulling out of A-stan. Who do you think saved many from the hands of the taliban? It was private sector (granted, many were former SpecOps operators.)
[QUOTE=PlanoLifter;1652520713]What about football games with tens of thousands of fans packed into stadiums? Are they as safe as LWW claims? My sense is they are not, but I could be wrong.[/QUOTE]
As safe as LWW claims? I don't know what he thinks to be honest. The problem is there are too many variables to give you any quantitative answer.
Is everyone wearing a mask. Is it an outdoor stadium with a breeze, are you going to stand in line for a beer and hot dog, is it -10 degrees because you're at a Packer's game. Are you sitting next to a stranger and talking to them? Is the person behind you coughing?
There will be riskier places and activities even at the game. The only thing I can say is that in an open air setting, there isn't going to be a high risk from someone several seats away from you. Your risk is mostly from the people within a couple of seats distance, and if they wear masks and you do too, your risk is probably pretty small. If you go to the bathroom and smoky joe is in there coughing up a lung, your risk goes up. If he's behind you in line for a beer, up again. But joe could just have a cold, in which case he didn't affect your risk, just your BP. Standing in line to get in and the crowd leaving might be higher risk too.
But the game itself? We would have to factor the incidence of the disease into this ? With 50,000 people in the stadium, how many are likely to be infected at the time of the game? 50? 100? If we figure 20 seats are close enough to you and upwind to put you at risk, what are the odds that one of those 100 people are in one of those seats?
Hmmm, tempted to delete that since it's a really long winded way of saying I don't think we have an answer.
Hundreds of thousands of people have packed college and professional football and soccer stadiums and as of right now, I haven't heard of any super-spreader events.
Not taking any sides Just a fact.
[QUOTE=Mark1T;1652526213] I haven't heard of any super-spreader events.
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because there never was any "super spreader" events in the first place...
it's a term the media ran with to push a point that never existed..
Ca's now doing (effective tomorrow) a one month mandate for masks indoor again...
it's all absurd !
[QUOTE=NorwichGrad;1652524373]Of course. We all do. So what?
The infrastructure would still be there with or without gubmint. Cuz Humans are excellent at progressing.
So you're basically justifying the existence of evil gubmint so you can drive your car that you paid taxes on including sales and yearly registration and put gas in it that's controlled by petro so you can drive on gubmint road on your way to work where you pay 40% income tax thinking you're free? (I know, I excluding many punctuation marks.)
This 'but without gubmint who gunn build muh roadz' is the same mentality that led humanity to its current state.
I say again, whatever gubmint does, the private sector can do better. Just look at Elon Musk versus NASA. Just look at the military fiasco after pulling out of A-stan. Who do you think saved many from the hands of the taliban? It was private sector (granted, many were former SpecOps operators.)[/QUOTE]
Your "So what?" demonstrates agitation, goatman. :)
Anyways, I'm not justifying anything. I simply wanted to know if you hike through forests to get where you're going, create your own electricity, get your water from a well and have a septic system or take advantage of the infrastructure created by theft.
[QUOTE=Mark1T;1652526213]Hundreds of thousands of people have packed college and professional football and soccer stadiums and as of right now, I haven't heard of any super-spreader events.
Not taking any sides Just a fact.[/QUOTE]
Real talk: i don't think contact tracing is going on much, so a large gathering may not be reported unless thousands suddenly become infected.
[QUOTE=Oceanside;1652527543]because there never was any "super spreader" events in the first place...
it's a term the media ran with to push a point that never existed..
Ca's now doing (effective tomorrow) a one month mandate for masks indoor again...
it's all absurd ![/QUOTE]
Truth.
[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1652528123]Real talk: i don't think contact tracing is going on much, so a large gathering may not be reported unless thousands suddenly become infected.[/QUOTE]
Thanks, Ben.
[QUOTE=PlanoLifter;1652522023]Huh? I'm not depending on an event to keep me safe. Go back and read my post again - maybe this time you'll understand it. I'm simply questioning if packed football stadiums are as safe as you seem to think they are.[/QUOTE]
It’s a dumb question it’s like asking Dr Fauci if you can go to a game. I would feel Ok going to a game because I don’t know anyone as opposed to going to a house gathering we’re I may be talking to people.
[QUOTE=supramax;1652527953]Your "So what?" demonstrates agitation, goatman. :)
Anyways, I'm not justifying anything. I simply wanted to know if you hike through forests to get where you're going, create your own electricity, get your water from a well and have a septic system or take advantage of the infrastructure created by theft.[/QUOTE]
I pay tolls when I cross bridges and tunnels where is that money going? Why is an energy saving infrastructure bill cost more fuking money?
We pay police yet gubmit tells them to not protect, that’s why Kyle Riytenhouse stepped, Chicago mayor Wants business to hire security?
[QUOTE=Mark1T;1652526213]Hundreds of thousands of people have packed college and professional football and soccer stadiums and as of right now, I haven't heard of any super-spreader events.
Not taking any sides Just a fact.[/QUOTE]
Mark, how would you know if a football game was a "super spreader event"? Is it if 200 people got infected out of 50,000, after which 50 showed symptoms, 40 tested positive, and they in total spread it to 300 or 400 others? And how could you even figure that out with all the other noise going on and asymptomatic transmission. You might figure out a family gathering infected a lot of people relative to the number that went, but a stadium event? The number of cases of Covid in TN went up 2 weeks after that Garth Brooks Concert I went to. The concert got cancelled after 2 songs plus 45 minutes packed in the concessions area due to lightening. Was it a super spreader event?
Seems like a term that should be reserved for bad porn movies, not football games, but we shouldn't pretend to know something wasn't a significant contributor to spreading the virus just because we have no good way to figure out if it was. We just have to use common sense and try to make good decisions, and those won't be the same decisions for all of us.
PS) I do like this: "I haven't heard of any super-spreader events. Not taking any sides Just a fact."
I would have believed you that you haven't heard of any super-spreader events even without you adding that it's a fact. I haven't heard of any either, or if I did, I don't remember hearing about them, and that's a fact ;)
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1652522563][img]https://i.imgur.com/Eqf3OQW.gif[/img]
The level of Hypocrisy is over the top.
You don't get to tell people to be their own man. Your man card was revoked last May when you sucked your tiny nuts into your stomach and got a needle you said you would never get. That card was destroyed when you sucked them up even farther and got the second dose.
You need to be your own man and stop letting people tell you what to do. Here I got you a starter kit, Maybe one day you can be your own man too. Good Luck! :D
[img]https://i.imgur.com/PIvvJ8Q.png?1[/img][/QUOTE]
I don’t care what you say. To me you ain’t a man until you are married and you marry your wife not the gubmit. This don’t mean I have to listen to her but it helps me. I respect guys like bodyhard that said no to the vaccine even though the wife wanted it. For now I have no plans for a boaster even the wife has mentioned it, I continue to say NO, as long as I don’t visit the doc she want be able to manipulate me getting it. So I’ll make any excuse possible to not see the doc next year.
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1652533813][b]Mark, how would you know if a football game was a "super spreader event"?[/b] Is it if 200 people got infected out of 50,000, after which 50 showed symptoms, 40 tested positive, and they in total spread it to 300 or 400 others? And how could you even figure that out with all the other noise going on and asymptomatic transmission. You might figure out a family gathering infected a lot of people relative to the number that went, but a stadium event? The number of cases of Covid in TN went up 2 weeks after that Garth Brooks Concert I went to. The concert got cancelled after 2 songs plus 45 minutes packed in the concessions area due to lightening. Was it a super spreader event?
Seems like a term that should be reserved for bad porn movies, not football games, but we shouldn't pretend to know something wasn't a significant contributor to spreading the virus just because we have no good way to figure out if it was. We just have to use common sense and try to make good decisions, and those won't be the same decisions for all of us.
PS) I do like this: "I haven't heard of any super-spreader events. Not taking any sides Just a fact."
I would have believed you that you haven't heard of any super-spreader events even without you adding that it's a fact. I haven't heard of any either, or if I did, I don't remember hearing about them, and that's a fact ;)[/QUOTE]
To me, it is a simple answer: The media would have reported it as such. Not up to me to define "super-spreader." Of the literally hundreds of thousands of people who have gone to games, packed shoulder-to-shoulder, there would have been massive outbreaks beyond our imagination already.
Your hypotheticals really are not meaningful with no data at all. The government has an open border policy with no testing for thousands, but State and local officials are trying to make work us up to a panic. Fauci and other officials have used the term "super-spreader events."
[QUOTE=LWW;1652533833] To me you ain’t a man until you are married [/QUOTE]
Weird, you don't need to be married to be a man. Many men are unmarried, In some respects they are more of a man than someone who is hitched and does something against their wishes because someone else wanted them to or runs and hides not to do it, that doesn't sound manly to me, just the opposite.
What about couples living together? Can you be a man in your world if you haven't said I do? Just how does it work under your rock anyways?
[QUOTE=LWW;1652533833] I respect guys like bodyhard that said no to the vaccine even though the wife wanted it.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much how a relationship should work, respect each others choices. At the end of the day it's their body, their choice. That doesn't mean you have to agree with their decision, but respect and support it in the end.
[QUOTE=LWW;1652533833] For now I have no plans for a boaster [/QUOTE]
What's a boaster? If you mean booster, Time will tell.
[QUOTE=LWW;1652533833] I continue to say NO, as long as I don’t visit the doc she want be able to manipulate me getting it. So I’ll make any excuse possible to not see the doc next year.[/QUOTE]
Sad, you should be able to be honest about it not run and hide to avoid getting a shot.
WELL CHECKING IN FOR MY MONTHLY DOSE OF HUMOR, I see the comedy is still going Strong LOL.....AND NONE OF THE SUPERBRAINS IN HERE HAVE AS YET SAVED THE NATION YET OR EVEN IMPACTED THE COVID LOL.. YA'LL KEEP ON ARGUING ABOUT IT THOUGH, YOUR PROVIDING GOOD HUMOR
Still Enjoying life as a PUREBLOOD, Still no Vax, Still no Boosters, Still healthy and Free and gonna Stay that way
[QUOTE=TryingBB;1652489843]
It was hypothetical.
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whats the point in talking about hypotheticals? lol. you want this thing to be worse than it is, truly sad.
Biden: U.S. has ordered enough Pfizer anti-viral pills to treat 10 million Americans
Not nearly enough, mofo's be fighting over them
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1652540683]Biden: U.S. has ordered enough Pfizer anti-viral pills to treat 10 million Americans
Not nearly enough, mofo's be fighting over them[/QUOTE] They probably just repackaged Ivermectin and called it "Job Done"
[QUOTE=Mark1T;1652535173]To me, it is a simple answer: The media would have reported it as such. Not up to me to define "super-spreader." Of the literally hundreds of thousands of people who have gone to games, packed shoulder-to-shoulder, there would have been massive outbreaks beyond our imagination already.[/QUOTE]
"Not up to (you) to define", but you did just set the criteria. "massive outbreaks beyond our imagination"
Also, are you really asking the media to define something we don't have a good way to watch for and saying it doesn't exist because we don't have a way to do that?
Or, are you saying you won't define it, but that you are imposing a condition on the definition that's impossible to fulfill? Because this isn't a movie virus where an entire seating section at the stadium is going to dissolve into a puddle of goo.
I'd probably define a super spreader event as a situation where one person infects several at a single event. So If one person shows up with SARS CoV2 at a football game and 5 people or more are infected by them, that would have been a super spreader event to me. It'll get lost in the wash even if it occurs 20 times at the same game which is one reason I don't think concerts or sporting events are going to have a huge impact on this pandemic. Heck, I've been to the Garth Brooks concert fiasco and a Gabriel Iglesias show this year as well as college football games, and I'm going to the UNC game in a week or so. I also bought Live Nation's stock a week or two ago when it dipped. None of which means I recommend the risks or would downplay them to others like you seem to. I just don't worry about it much for myself because I'm careful. I'm vaccinated and I wear an N95 mask when I have any concerns.
[QUOTE=Tommy W.;1652541913]They probably just repackaged Ivermectin and called it "Job Done"[/QUOTE]
I just ordered a bunch of that today.
Granted it's called Heart Guard and it's for the pups, but I really did. 6 month supply for 3 dogs. $$$
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1652544053]I just don't worry about it much for myself because I'm careful. I'm vaccinated and I wear an N95 mask when I have any concerns.
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this is pointless if you believe the rhetoric...
the powers that be have convinced us that masks only stop the virus from being exhaled as opposed to being inhaled...
that's the premise of all of this..
zero accountability expected from the individual, therefore EVERYONE must adhere to the golden rule because we're all idiots...
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1652544053]"Not up to (you) to define", but you did just set the criteria. "massive outbreaks beyond our imagination"
Also, are you really asking the media to define something we don't have a good way to watch for and saying it doesn't exist because we don't have a way to do that?
Or, are you saying you won't define it, but that you are imposing a condition on the definition that's impossible to fulfill? Because this isn't a movie virus where an entire seating section at the stadium is going to dissolve into a puddle of goo.
I'd probably define a super spreader event as a situation where one person infects several at a single event. So If one person shows up with SARS CoV2 at a football game and 5 people or more are infected by them, that would have been a super spreader event to me. It'll get lost in the wash even if it occurs 20 times at the same game which is one reason I don't think concerts or sporting events are going to have a huge impact on this pandemic. Heck, I've been to the Garth Brooks concert fiasco and a Gabriel Iglesias show this year as well as college football games, and I'm going to the UNC game in a week or so. I also bought Live Nation's stock a week or two ago when it dipped. None of which means I recommend the risks or would downplay them to others like you seem to. I just don't worry about it much for myself because I'm careful. I'm vaccinated and I wear an N95 mask when I have any concerns.
I just ordered a bunch of that today.
Granted it's called Heart Guard and it's for the pups, but I really did. 6 month supply for 3 dogs. $$$[/QUOTE]
If the NBA, NFL, MLB, MLS, NHL all thought that the now millions of people packed into their stadiums are causing any kind of spreader event, you would think the alarms will go off. They haven't stopped anything.
Not asking the media to define anything, but they have in the recent past projected that stadiums filled with people would probably cause super-spreader events, but they were wrong.
Here is one definition of super-spreader event and defined as a little more serious than your definition:
[i]A superspreading event is one in which a single infected individual infects an "unusually high" number of secondary cases (Lloyd-Smith et al. 2005); what constitutes unusually high varies by disease, but as an example, tracing of 77 SARS cases in Beijing in 2004 showed that four patients transmitted to eight or more other individuals, seven transmitted to there or fewer contacts, and the remaining patients had no evidence of onward transmission (Shen et al. 2004). Superspreading events have been documented for many infectious diseases. For example, during the 2003 SARS epidemic, based on mathematical modeling, it was estimated that nearly 75% of infections in Hong Kong and Singapore were the result of superspreading events (Li et al. 2004). Further, London researchers have estimated that around 10% of infectious individuals may be responsible for approximately 80% of secondary SARS-CoV-2 transmissions (Endo et al. 2020). [/i]
[url]https://advances.massgeneral.org/pulmonary/article.aspx?id=1285[/url]
[QUOTE=PlanoLifter;1652520323]After 18 months he's running again (he was able to start 1-2 months back). Not marathon distances yet - just 1-2 km. But he's on the right track.[/QUOTE]
Awesome!
[QUOTE=Mark1T;1652548653]If the NBA, NFL, MLB, MLS, NHL all thought that the now millions of people packed into their stadiums are causing any kind of spreader event, you would think the alarms will go off. They haven't stopped anything.
Not asking the media to define anything, but they have in the recent past projected that stadiums filled with people would probably cause super-spreader events, but they were wrong.
Here is one definition of super-spreader event and defined as a little more serious than your definition:
[i]A superspreading event is one in which a single infected individual infects an "unusually high" number of secondary cases (Lloyd-Smith et al. 2005); what constitutes unusually high varies by disease, but as an example, tracing of 77 SARS cases in Beijing in 2004 showed that four patients transmitted to eight or more other individuals, seven transmitted to there or fewer contacts, and the remaining patients had no evidence of onward transmission (Shen et al. 2004). Superspreading events have been documented for many infectious diseases. For example, during the 2003 SARS epidemic, based on mathematical modeling, it was estimated that nearly 75% of infections in Hong Kong and Singapore were the result of superspreading events (Li et al. 2004). Further, London researchers have estimated that around 10% of infectious individuals may be responsible for approximately 80% of secondary SARS-CoV-2 transmissions (Endo et al. 2020). [/i]
[url]https://advances.massgeneral.org/pulmonary/article.aspx?id=1285[/url][/QUOTE]
Food for thought.
A state like MD has 6 million people and a daily covid positive count of 1,800 now +/-, so the odds of contracting it are fairly small unless exposure was direct and intense with no super duper filtration system.
Many of the stadiums in the metro DC area are open stadiums except basketball and hockey, so fresh air is a bonus "safety" measure.
Oceanside
I'm not sure what the rhetoric on masks is now, but I do know Tony et al screwed up a bit trying to prevent people from hording N95s early on by implying they weren't necessary to protect yourself. I did donate quite a few to a hospital in Florida after all theirs were stolen, but I also found some that are really comfortable so why not...
Mark, by the math in that paragraph, my 20 individuals passing the virus to 5 each seems to meet the criteria. Those patients described spread SARS to less than 5 per on average.
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1652553863] Tony et al screwed up a bit trying to prevent people from hording N95s early on by implying they weren't necessary to protect yourself. [/QUOTE]
No you are incorrect, Tony knew it was fuking bull$hit as a professional scientist. But he later on learned he had to go with what crazy china would do.
Watch his expression if you can still find the video, he was talk real talk there, he even laughed. The majority of the public didn't give a fuk or even know what N95 mask is, a piece of thin cloth was all the panic stricken nutz cared about.
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1652535463]Weird, you don't need to be married to be a man. Many men are unmarried, In some respects they are more of a man than someone who is hitched and does something against their wishes because someone else wanted them to or runs and hides not to do it, that doesn't sound manly to me, just the opposite.
What about couples living together? Can you be a man in your world if you haven't said I do? Just how does it work under your rock anyways?
Pretty much how a relationship should work, respect each others choices. At the end of the day it's their body, their choice. That doesn't mean you have to agree with their decision, but respect and support it in the end.
What's a boaster? If you mean booster, Time will tell.
Sad, you should be able to be honest about it not run and hide to avoid getting a shot.[/QUOTE]
I had a whole bunch of whaling BS in this post and with a :D it was about you being married to the military, whatever it's been said over and over.
After reading Chaz's post in the BH thread, I decided to remove it and work on the chill game...............
Lawrence Dude, u just made my day. That's how we're going to make it. Baby steps like in the movie "What aboot Bob" haha! However u get there, it's aboot Love. Starts with yurself, and grows from there. I reckon it's as much as u can fill yur heart with. Hate is control.
DO NOT punish me for this vulnerability, plz. Cass.... :D
EDIT: and I saw what u did with the edit Lawrence, butt that's cool. :D
[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1652553143]Food for thought.
A state like MD has 6 million people and a daily covid positive count of 1,800 now +/-, so the odds of contracting it are fairly small unless exposure was direct and intense with no super duper filtration system.
Many of the stadiums in the metro DC area are open stadiums except basketball and hockey, so fresh air is a bonus "safety" measure.[/QUOTE]
How many basketball stadiums are open? Or, maybe that doesn't count. Really doesn't matter if open if people are packed together like sardines.
Open, but packed = safety? Please.
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1652512803]Right on Plano, let us know how it goes with any side effects..
I have mine booked for the 23rd, Pfizer as well, 5 and a half months since my 2nd shot[/QUOTE]
So far (14 hours post jab) no side effects other than very mild discomfort at the injection site when I raise my arm above my shoulder. Same for my wife.
Speaking about being safe in events didn’t they stop just letting people crowd in concerts after people at The Who concerts died in the 70s that very thing happened recently.
And then there was that VEgas massacre.
Seems like Covid is the least of the problems with events safety.
[QUOTE=LWW;1652559343]I decided to remove it and work on the chill game...............[/QUOTE]
Awesome, I am looking forward to Tater Tot 2.0
[QUOTE=PlanoLifter;1652575963]So far (14 hours post jab) no side effects other than very mild discomfort at the injection site when I raise my arm above my shoulder. Same for my wife.[/QUOTE]
That's great Plano for the both of you guys, hope it continues... If anything changes let us know.
My booster is scheduled for the 23rd so I still have time to chicken out :D
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1652519773]You're right and wrong. Close contact will increase the risk of getting a high load of the virus, but .5 micron particles can take hours to settle and are large enough to carry the virus. The mall would be low risk if you stay out of stores and avoid everyone, but people can draw the line wherever they like. That said, if a business or person asks you to wear a mask, you should wear one without complaining. It's just common courtesy now and you look foolish getting your panties in a bunch over something so easy to do.
I was at a guitar store buying my son's Christmas present yesterday and this guy and his wife, probably mid 70's, read the sign on the door which said masks are required. The guy opened the door, asked the owner if masks were really required, and then said he was going to the guitar center 20 minutes away. His wife gave him an annoyed look and we laughed as they drove off. They were going to find the same policy at the guitar center and every music store in Raleigh. I'd actually come from the guitar center. So basically that couple can't try any instruments before they buy and were just wasting time and gas driving around while he annoyed his wife. They did put on seat belts when they got into their car and drove off though.[/QUOTE]
Is that a business, local, or state mandate for that business? He could likely drive far enough to find a business without any mandates. Here, you can drive 30 min to another business that doesn't have mandates on masks, which aren't proven to work or be effective.
JRE 1747 sure was an interesting listen. [url]https://open.spotify.com/episode/0aZte37vtFTkYT7b0b04Qz?si=9e8f43a405704aac[/url]
I'd love for someone to refute this well-published doctor on the plandemic.
i'm 2.5yrs from 20 years time in service (reserves), gonna have to if i want to finish it out.
fukkin blows but throwing all of it away, a retirement, base access, conus & oconus space a flights and retirement healthcare for the rest of my life...? nah. as much as its sum bullchit, it is what it is.
[QUOTE=friesbruh;1652578743]i'm 2.5yrs from 20 years time in service (reserves), gonna have to if i want to finish it out.
fukkin blows but throwing all of it away, a retirement, base access, conus & oconus space a flights and retirement healthcare for the rest of my life...? nah. as much as its sum bullchit, it is what it is.[/QUOTE]
It is what it is I suppose, I would do the same in your shoes. Good luck Brother
Is there a tax that we can pay to stop COVID, or does that only work for climate change?
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1652580433]Is there a tax that we can pay to stop COVID, or does that only work for climate change?[/QUOTE]
If those damn republicans just sign on, it will prevent more tornadoes and hurricanes.
Thanks!
[QUOTE=Mark1T;1652581663]If those damn republicans just sign on, it will prevent more tornadoes and hurricanes.
Thanks![/QUOTE]
We just got the tail end of those tornadoes, here and there's a couple of hundred thousand without electricity and trees down all over the place.