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My state just announced that we're over 60% vaccinated in the adult population. This is pretty big. The governor indicated she'd lift the tier restriction on businesses if we can hit 70% - which is still a pretty tall order but getting there.
[QUOTE=PhDPepper1111;1638396253]My state just announced that we're over 60% vaccinated in the adult population. This is pretty big. The governor indicated she'd lift the tier restriction on businesses if we can hit 70% - which is still a pretty tall order but getting there.[/QUOTE]
Fully or partially? In Cali we are about 47% fully vacced and 76% partially.
Californians are taking to heart that the majority of people are vaccinated. When I was down on Mission Beach the other night.... it was packed an no one was wearing a mask.
Public drunkeness is back in full swing as well as I saw some dude get punched in the face twice before flipping backward over the boardwalk wall and into the sand though. Back to normal I suppose.
[QUOTE=PhDPepper1111;1638396253]My state just announced that we're over 60% vaccinated in the adult population. This is pretty big. The governor indicated she'd lift the tier restriction on businesses if we can hit 70% - which is still a pretty tall order but getting there.[/QUOTE]
Newsom said Covid is officially over in California on June 15th.
[QUOTE=xTeTe;1638403523]Californians are taking to heart that the majority of people are vaccinated. When I was down on Mission Beach the other night.... it was packed an no one was wearing a mask.
Public drunkeness is back in full swing as well as I saw some dude get punched in the face twice before flipping backward over the boardwalk wall and into the sand though. Back to normal I suppose.[/QUOTE]
I already said that weeks ago about Laguna Beach ITT. :D
[QUOTE=Cass40;1638403983]I already said that weeks ago about Laguna Beach ITT. :D[/QUOTE]
I just came across this a second ago
[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/california-governor-says-mask-mandate-191002990.html[/url]
UPDATED with latest: On the same day his top health official told reporters that California-mandated capacity restrictions on businesses would be over on June 15, Governor Gavin Newsom confirmed that the state’s mask mandate will be gone, as well.
When asked by Fox News LA’s Elex Michaelson if there would be a mask mandate after June 15, the usually-loquacious Newsom said simply, “No.” He did go on to explain the rare circumstances where masks would still be needed
“Only in those massively large [indoor] settings where people from around the world are convening & people are mixing in real dense spaces. Otherwise…no mandates,” he told Michaelson.
[QUOTE=Cass40;1638398773]Fully or partially? In Cali we are about 47% fully vacced and 76% partially.[/QUOTE]
I think in OR the goal of 70% applies to at least one dose of the two-dose vaccines.
[QUOTE=xTeTe;1638403593]Newsom said Covid is officially over in California on June 15th.[/QUOTE]
LOL, good to know.
[QUOTE=xTeTe;1638404813]I just came across this a second ago
[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/california-governor-says-mask-mandate-191002990.html[/url]
UPDATED with latest: On the same day his top health official told reporters that California-mandated capacity restrictions on businesses would be over on June 15, Governor Gavin Newsom confirmed that the state’s mask mandate will be gone, as well.
When asked by Fox News LA’s Elex Michaelson if there would be a mask mandate after June 15, the usually-loquacious Newsom said simply, “No.” He did go on to explain the rare circumstances where masks would still be needed
“Only in those massively large [indoor] settings where people from around the world are convening & people are mixing in real dense spaces. Otherwise…no mandates,” he told Michaelson.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure this is a huge relief for many. We'll see what happens with the virus itself.
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1638379873]Exactly! I posted that because I agree with what you said. Nobody cares about the ingredients of a vaccine or any other medication I prescribe. Oh wait, that's not true. I did have some vegans ask me about the ingredients of medications I prescribed for them back when I still saw patients. Course they were only concerned about animal products.
If I tell you a pill has N-4(hydroxyphenyl)acetamide, it probably doesn't help you without a web search.
If I tell you it contains a pain medication that is very safe, you should probably ask me what that means.
If I tell you we're aware of at least 20 or 30 people who have died from adverse reactions at normal doses, it tells you nothing until I add that those deaths were out of several billion people who have taken it many times a year for the past 50+ years.
Those would all be as silly as the thought behind that picture because if I had simply told you it's tylenol, you wouldn't have needed me to tell you anything else.
With the vaccines, we tell you it's a vaccine. We also try to make everyone aware of the risks and benefits are. We don't tell people the ingredients.
I'm kind of amazed this is still something to argue about. People are all different. Some are logical, understand statistics, know how the vaccines were tested, have reviewed the results of the studies, and even know what the ingredients in the vaccines are. That's a rare group but it does includes many of my colleagues, and me. From what I have seen, people in "my" group have all chosen to get vaccinated.
Some people don't or can't understand those details. Some could have anxiety or other mental health disorders, and maybe they'd get panic attacks or have some other issues because they'd be constantly worrying the vaccine was harming them if they got it. Those people generally refuse the vaccine, and that is perfectly reasonable. All we can do is educate them and respect their decision.
The rest of the population falls between those two extremes and to a degree they have the right to make their own decisions based on their personalities, values, and intellects. I'm guessing 95% of people are smart enough to realize they're better off getting vaccinated than not getting vaccinated if they take the time to look at the data, so I'm optimistic.
I pointed out on another thread several months ago that if this virus mutates to a strain that causes permanent scarring of the penile blood vessels in 1% of infected men, we'll have almost 100% acceptance of the vaccine. The funny thing is, we already have data showing the risk of ED is 5 or 6 fold higher for men who have gotten the virus than those who haven't. That's matching other risks. The risk in men over thirty isn't insignificant, I'm pretty sure it's at least 1% of healthy men will develop a degree of ED before they reach 40. If you get COVID 19, your risk is then 5%. Numbers might be higher than that. Google is your friend ... .[/QUOTE]
You make too much sense and it sure looks like you know what you're talking about. But then again how do we know you are not a government plant to ensure vaccination compliancy. I mean, if I was a conspiracist. Right "Just the dad?" wink-wink. Seriously, thank you for all the info you've contributed. It has certainly allayed my fears (not completely) of getting the vaccine.
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Lmfao
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to mtpockets again.
[QUOTE=xTeTe;1638404813]I just came across this a second ago
[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/california-governor-says-mask-mandate-191002990.html[/url]
UPDATED with latest: On the same day his top health official told reporters that California-mandated capacity restrictions on businesses would be over on June 15, Governor Gavin Newsom confirmed that the state’s mask mandate will be gone, as well.
When asked by Fox News LA’s Elex Michaelson if there would be a mask mandate after June 15, the usually-loquacious Newsom said simply, “No.” He did go on to explain the rare circumstances where masks would still be needed
“Only in those massively large [indoor] settings where people from around the world are convening & people are mixing in real dense spaces. Otherwise…no mandates,” he told Michaelson.[/QUOTE]
Everyone talks crap about out commie state yet we are getting vacced and can be open.
[QUOTE=xTeTe;1638403523]Californians are taking to heart that the majority of people are vaccinated. When I was down on Mission Beach the other night.... it was packed an no one was wearing a mask.
Public drunkeness is back in full swing as well as I saw some dude get punched in the face twice before flipping backward over the boardwalk wall and into the sand though. Back to normal I suppose.[/QUOTE]
Wears that Farley guy? I told him by summer, if Biden won this Covid would be forgotten, except Biden will continue to campaign it.
Biden keeps the mask through 2024.
[quote=mtpockets;1638393983][img]https://i.imgur.com/zw4cihf.jpg[/img][/quote]lmfao.
I got my second one mid march. Now I'm ready to hit the damn night clubs! (soon as they fuxcking open) :)
[QUOTE=Cass40;1638419693]Everyone talks crap about out commie state yet we are getting vacced and can be open.[/QUOTE]
The commie state is why things closed. In freedom land you have choice, like "hey that place is busy, I'll go somewhere else". In commie state, there is very little choice.
We are not in full commie state, once the people give up to the government and let them make our choices is when the full commie state happens.
......we are getting close though, we are half socialists.
The people who don't even work are the ones hoarding all the chit too.
[QUOTE=LWW;1638429343]The commie state is why things closed. In freedom land you have choice, like "hey that place is busy, I'll go somewhere else". In commie state, there is very little choice.
We are not in full commie state, once the people give up to the government and let them make our choices is when the full commie state happens.
......we are getting close though, we are half socialists.
The people who don't even work are the ones hoarding all the chit too.[/QUOTE]
No it was because there was a pandemic. Now we are vacced and hardly have any deaths anymore. No masks after July 15th. Aren't you excited?
(And who let that guy above you here..we are full and not accepting new memberships kind sir)
[QUOTE=Keltron;1638428643]I got my second one mid march. Now I'm ready to hit the damn night clubs! (soon as they fuxcking open) :)[/QUOTE]
If I remember correctly, you had the best sig line with snatch pulls. Am I right?
[QUOTE=Cass40;1638429753]No it was because there was a pandemic. Now we are vacced and hardly have any deaths anymore. No masks after July 15th. Aren't you excited?[/QUOTE]
That is total BS, the government picked who was allowed to stay open, that's what commie states do.
A bar can easily of enforced SD'ing, instead government closed them, so people drank at other peoples home, which never helped.
I don't know why you don't understand that gubmint didn't save any fuking lives, they ONLY hurt private business, which kills our freedom.
[QUOTE=Desparado;1638411123]Seriously, thank you for all the info you've contributed. It has certainly allayed my fears (not completely) of getting the vaccine.[/QUOTE]
You know, I think you're good. No one should be completely fearless when taking any medicinal product. Not a vaccine, not an antibiotic, and not even Tylenol. Medications, vaccines, medical devices, and procedures all have risks.
Talk to people, ask questions, ask more questions. At work, people often apologize for "wasting my time" when they ask me a question. Especially if it turns out to be obvious to them after I answer. I always tell them not to be silly, that it's nice to feel useful every once in a while, and that in the long run, I'll probably have more questions for them than they have for me. And I mean it every time I say it. It's usually true because I like to understand everything about the projects we work on, so I ask lots of question.
On something like this, people should ask questions. You should be talking to your doctors or health care providers if you're nervous about the vaccine. That's what they're there for. Doctor comes from docco, Latin for teacher. You don't have to be sick to go see them. Make an appointment to ask about the vaccine if you want. I guarantee that if it makes you more comfortable and results in you getting the vaccine, they'll feel like they did something good. Even if you decide not to get it, they'll still feel like it was worth their time because they got to know you a little better, shared some of their knowledge, and knowing you better means they will be able to help you better in the future if you need something. That's a win win situation.
[QUOTE=GrouchyUSMC;1638431653]If I remember correctly, you had the best sig line with snatch pulls. Am I right?[/QUOTE]
Correct
[QUOTE=LWW;1638432273]That is total BS, the government picked who was allowed to stay open, that's what commie states do.
A bar can easily of enforced SD'ing, instead government closed them, so people drank at other peoples home, which never helped.
I don't know why you don't understand that gubmint didn't save any fuking lives, they ONLY hurt private business, which kills our freedom.[/QUOTE]
How many layman people have worked under you? Not college educated people - barely high school passed. Easy to “control” them - is it?
It’s easy to call it doomsday for anyone. If they didn’t do what they did we’d be witnessing what’s happening in India right now.
But yea free country - we all can have our opinions
[QUOTE=LWW;1638383083]That’s correct, that is wife’s doing, not mine.
My deal with the vaccine is if there is no reason for me to take a vaccine, why do it, I don’t live my life to please the public.
[/QUOTE]
So you caved bro. You should have asked yourself what Ken Patera would do in a situation like that? Would he roll over and get the vaccine? NO! He would punch a cop in the face for even suggesting it. He would then throw a rock through his window and have Bobby Heenan leave a flaming bag of poo on his doorstep.
You gotta up your game bruh. You ain't gettin' nowhere with that weak-@ss sh!t you are bringing. It is Ken Patera or nothing son. One or the other. A binary choice. A fork in the road. A fukkin' dichotomy. A flip of the coin. Do better next time.
[QUOTE=LWW;1638432273]That is total BS, the government picked who was allowed to stay open, that's what commie states do.
A bar can easily of enforced SD'ing, instead government closed them, so people drank at other peoples home, which never helped.
I don't know why you don't understand that gubmint didn't save any fuking lives, they ONLY hurt private business, which kills our freedom.[/QUOTE]
I am saying there won't be masks. I thought that's what you wanted?
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1638432763]You know, I think you're good. No one should be completely fearless when taking any medicinal product. Not a vaccine, not an antibiotic, and not even Tylenol. Medications, vaccines, medical devices, and procedures all have risks. [/QUOTE]
Anything that has effects likely has side effects.
People say they're going to take these natural supplements because they don't have side effects. That's because they do absolutely nothing.
And if they do anything, it's probably bad.
I know people who don't want to take the "experimental" vaccine because it hasn't been tested enough but will put any weird thing they know nothing about into their body if some kook on the internet tells them to as long as it's an untested unregulated supplement being sold by an uncredentialed quack instead of an evil medication from Big Pharma.
[QUOTE=Keltron;1638428603]lmfao.[/QUOTE]
You're a stranger dude, hope life is treating you well.
[QUOTE=tsoerens;1638450073]Anything that has effects likely has side effects.
People say they're going to take these natural supplements because they don't have side effects. That's because they do absolutely nothing.
And if they do anything, it's probably bad.
I know people who don't want to take the "experimental" vaccine because it hasn't been tested enough but will put any weird thing they know nothing about into their body if some kook on the internet tells them to as long as it's an untested unregulated supplement being sold by an uncredentialed quack instead of an evil medication from Big Pharma.[/QUOTE]
So much this. I love the person who will eat an unidentified mushroom someone gives them or snort some powder from a stranger without hesitation but whoa these vaccines reviewed by the FDA are too risky.
[QUOTE=tsoerens;1638450073]Anything that has effects likely has side effects.
People say they're going to take these natural supplements because they don't have side effects. That's because they do absolutely nothing.
And if they do anything, it's probably bad.
I know people who don't want to take the "experimental" vaccine because it hasn't been tested enough but will put any weird thing they know nothing about into their body if some kook on the internet tells them to as long as it's an untested unregulated supplement being sold by an uncredentialed quack instead of an evil medication from Big Pharma.[/QUOTE]
You mean like some dude peddaling
hydroxychloroquine
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1638379873]I'm guessing 95% of people are smart enough to realize they're better off getting vaccinated than not getting vaccinated if they take the time to look at the data, so I'm optimistic.[/quote]
You had me until this condescending bit. Maybe it wasn't intended to be so, or maybe you live too much in your own bubble to appreciate that there are plenty of smart people out there who make a living solving complex problems and have seen enough examples of unintended downstream consequences to be more cautious on the uptake. Intelligent people can also very well disagree on risk analysis outcomes given the same data set, or have a different final outcome as the goal.
I have tremendous respect and gratitude for the scientists working on these solutions. I think this could be a turning point in medicine and I'm quite optimistic for its future. But you only know what you know right now. That's not an insult to them by any means. Long term data exists for a reason. There are many questions and variables to consider beyond whether a vaccine is safe and helpful in the short term. Smug and cavalier dismissal of people as unintelligent while they cautiously weigh these additional considerations only serves to cement doubt about your own humility towards the problem.
Intelligence isn't an all encompassing state. You can be a wizard in one direction and a gullible fool in another direction.
[QUOTE=supramax;1638453593]Intelligence isn't an all encompassing state. You can be a wizard in one direction and a gullible fool in another direction.[/QUOTE] This is definitely worth repeating.
An example is my brother, he is a bit like an antisocial non communicative version of Sheldon Cooper but far more intelligent, although only in academic science. But in other ways he is unbelievably bafflingly stupid in ways that only a really "clever" person can manage.
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Oddly all the people I know that haven't gotten the vaccine yet and are hesitant to do so haven't because they are anti vaccine. They both are hypochondriacs. I'm kind of curious how many people wont get the vaccine for non-political reasons.
[QUOTE=supramax;1638453593]Intelligence isn't an all encompassing state. You can be a wizard in one direction and a gullible fool in another direction.[/QUOTE]
Very true. But we also all just suffer from blind spots from any number of sources of unconscious bias, which I don't consider to be the same thing as being gullible. They can happen just as well to someone who lives within a particular field of study as someone who doesn't. Experts can lose the forest in the trees, suffer from over-confidence from extensive knowledge in the specific pathway of focus, etc.
[QUOTE=xTeTe;1638460393]Oddly all the people I know that haven't gotten the vaccine yet and are hesitant to do so haven't because they are anti vaccine. They both are hypochondriacs. I'm kind of curious how many people wont get the vaccine for non-political reasons.[/QUOTE]
I am in the category of not having gotten it (even while having access), but certainly not in the category of "won't". My reasoning is pretty simple. Our goal should be to decouple hospitalizations and deaths from infections. It seems we can achieve that by vaccinating as many people as we need to (those with high risk factors) while we continue to collect data and monitor the outcomes and efficacy of doing this on both the individual and global scale. I don't consider covid a significant individual risk to me, personally, at this time. If it becomes clear that mass vaccination of people with low risk factors will be necessary to protect people with high risk factors, I would likely take one for the team.
One thing that I am concerned with is that what does it matter if we're all vaccinated if other countries are not getting them as fast? It's not like the virus knows to stay in one place.
[QUOTE=Cass40;1638463573]One thing that I am concerned with is that what does it matter if we're all vaccinated if other countries are not getting them as fast? It's not like the virus knows to stay in one place.[/QUOTE]
That’s why it pays to be a bunch of racist bigtoes, close the fuking border.
You commies are too much, let everyone come in, no vetting, then panic, lol.
[QUOTE=TryingBB;1638434483]How many layman people have worked under you? Not college educated people - barely high school passed. Easy to “control” them - is it?
It’s easy to call it doomsday for anyone. If they didn’t do what they did we’d be witnessing what’s happening in India right now.
But yea free country - we all can have our opinions[/QUOTE]
Ha ha, I work with minds that can think on their own.
Now you go find professor Gabber and do some high rep squats with respectable weight and have the professor put a mask on you while your trying to recover, lol.
[QUOTE=Karl_Hungus;1638436473]So you caved bro. You should have asked yourself what Ken Patera would do in a situation like that? Would he roll over and get the vaccine? NO! He would punch a cop in the face for even suggesting it. He would then throw a rock through his window and have Bobby Heenan leave a flaming bag of poo on his doorstep.
You gotta up your game bruh. You ain't gettin' nowhere with that weak-@ss sh!t you are bringing. It is Ken Patera or nothing son. One or the other. A binary choice. A fork in the road. A fukkin' dichotomy. A flip of the coin. Do better next time.[/QUOTE]
Until I press 500 overhead (wont happen) I can’t think like Mr. Patera.
There was only one man on planet earth badder than Patera, Andre the Giant!
[QUOTE=Cass40;1638429753]No it was because there was a pandemic. Now we are vacced and hardly have any deaths anymore. No masks after July 15th. Aren't you excited?
(And who let that guy above you here..we are full and not accepting new memberships kind sir)[/QUOTE]
Yes Cass we are so excited that we go back to what's been perfectly normal for the entire duration of our lives minus 1 year. We are practically jumping up and down with excitement.
Sarcasm, just one more service we are proud to provide for free.
[QUOTE=Cass40;1638463573]One thing that I am concerned with is that what does it matter if we're all vaccinated if other countries are not getting them as fast? It's not like the virus knows to stay in one place.[/QUOTE]
I listened to Newsome and i figured that they feel that the vaxx has left us less vulnerable to *serious* health consequences.
So people will continue to get sick from mixing with international visitors/businessmen but the severity of consequence will be lessened.
Take for ex, i go to a tech conference and am exposed, well maybe i get flu like symptoms but can sleep on my back and can breathe at night.
[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1638468713]I listened to Newsome and i figured that they feel that the vaxx has left us less vulnerable to *serious* health consequences.
So people will continue to get sick from mixing with international visitors/businessmen but the severity of consequence will be lessened.
Take for ex, i go to a tech conference and am exposed, well maybe i get flu like symptoms but can sleep on my back and can breathe at night.[/QUOTE]
There was a good article today from STAT News covering this
[url=https://www.statnews.com/2021/05/13/vaccines-work-variants-complicated]Vaccines seem to work well against coronavirus variants. It’s also complicated[/url]
[QUOTE=sy2502;1638467883]Yes Cass we are so excited that we go back to what's been perfectly normal for the entire duration of our lives minus 1 year. We are practically jumping up and down with excitement.
Sarcasm, just one more service we are proud to provide for free.[/QUOTE]
Lmfao...good point :D
[QUOTE=ectoBgone;1638452563]You had me until this condescending bit. Maybe it wasn't intended to be so, or maybe you live too much in your own bubble to appreciate that there are plenty of smart people out there who make a living solving complex problems and have seen enough examples of unintended downstream consequences to be more cautious on the uptake. Intelligent people can also very well disagree on risk analysis outcomes given the same data set, or have a different final outcome as the goal.
I have tremendous respect and gratitude for the scientists working on these solutions. I think this could be a turning point in medicine and I'm quite optimistic for its future. But you only know what you know right now. That's not an insult to them by any means. Long term data exists for a reason. There are many questions and variables to consider beyond whether a vaccine is safe and helpful in the short term. Smug and cavalier dismissal of people as unintelligent while they cautiously weigh these additional considerations only serves to cement doubt about your own humility towards the problem.[/QUOTE]
Sorry if that sounded condescending. It wasn't meant to be. I just think the math and science are very very basic. Maybe I didn't explain why well enough.
You are correct in saying we don't have long term outcomes data. One of the things they hammered into us in B school, which wasn't stressed enough in medical school, was that it's important to know what you don't know, so we do take that issue into account when we consider if the vaccine is something we can recommend to an individual. But in this case, that lack of long term outcomes data actually isn't a significant factor in making a decision and the reason is very obvious if you consider how the vaccines work. They trick a few cells in your body into producing the spike protein antigen that is on the surface of the virus. Everything else in the vaccines are very common things. Either they're produced due to a known viral vector we have long term outcomes data on, or they're a tiny bit of the lipid coating that let's the mRNA get into your cells. Those are all well studied even if the unique combination of them is new and unique.
So you're left worrying about the active ingredient, the DNA, RNA or mRNA, and what they code for. All of what they code for has long term safety data except for the spike protein, and the long term risk of being exposed to that one component of a virus at a low dose can't have more long term adverse effects than getting exposed to the same antigen at a higher concentration, along with the other foreign antigens that your body is exposed to by the actual SARS-coV-2 virus.
Either you accept the virus putting RNA into the nucleus of your cells and causing your cells to produce the same protein as the vaccines plus others, or you accept a vaccine which either avoids the nucleus completely or only uses a virus we have long term safety data on. There are clearly risks to the vaccine, but if the antigen causes you to feel sick or even to have a serious adverse event, it is obvious you would have had the same reaction or worse from the higher levels you'd have circulating in your body after getting the actual virus.
Again, I understand why you think some people could believe they should wait for the long term data on the vaccines, but their hypothesis doesn't hold up when you take the mechanism of action of the potential side effects and other risks into account. Does that make more sense?
Got my Pfuking vaccine booked Pfor the Pfuking Pfizer Vaccine on the 21st, Can't have Tater beating me to the pfuking jab.
[QUOTE=LWW;1638466293]Ha ha, I work with minds that can think on their own.
Now you go find professor Gabber and do some high rep squats with respectable weight and have the professor put a mask on you while your trying to recover, lol.[/QUOTE]
You work with mind that can think but is yours thinking right?
Put your thinking hat on, read my comment again and see if your response satisfies what I said?
You obviously do not know what it like to deal with public - which includes PHDs, and people who skipped elementary and good citizens and also criminals.
Their policies are designed to get the best possible result with all groups of people - not just your “think capable” minds. Think again!
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1638470673]Does that make more sense?[/QUOTE]
It makes sense, it just doesn't make more sense because I already understood where you were coming from. :)
take a deep breath ......
CDC is expected to say fully vaccinated people can stop wearing masks INDOORS from today - except in crowded places like buses and planes
CDC is expected to update its guidance on mask-wearing on Thursday
The new guidance is expected to allow fully vaccinated people to go maskless indoors in almost all settings
Crowded settings like planes, buses and prisons will likely be exception
CDC is also expected to say that fully vaccinated people can take off their masks anywhere outdoors - including in crowds
UPDATED: 13:54 EDT, 13 May 2021
[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1638477163]take a deep breath ......
CDC is expected to say fully vaccinated people can stop wearing masks INDOORS from today - except in crowded places like buses and planes
CDC is expected to update its guidance on mask-wearing on Thursday
The new guidance is expected to allow fully vaccinated people to go maskless indoors in almost all settings
Crowded settings like planes, buses and prisons will likely be exception
CDC is also expected to say that fully vaccinated people can take off their masks anywhere outdoors - including in crowds
UPDATED: 13:54 EDT, 13 May 2021[/QUOTE]
I guess this will work on the honor system and only the fully vaccinated will unmask.
[QUOTE=ectoBgone;1638463043]Very true. But we also all just suffer from blind spots from any number of sources of unconscious bias, which I don't consider to be the same thing as being gullible. They can happen just as well to someone who lives within a particular field of study as someone who doesn't. Experts can lose the forest in the trees, suffer from over-confidence from extensive knowledge in the specific pathway of focus, etc...
[/QUOTE] Gullible was just an example. It's all about conditioning.
[QUOTE=TryingBB;1638475393]You work with mind that can think but is yours thinking right?
Put your thinking hat on, read my comment again and see if your response satisfies what I said?
You obviously do not know what it like to deal with public - which includes PHDs, and people who skipped elementary and good citizens and also criminals.
Their policies are designed to get the best possible result with all groups of people - not just your “think capable” minds. Think again![/QUOTE]
Please, the PHDs put their guidelines out, it’s up to you if and how you follow them.
E.g. ALL gyms don’t need to close, there are ways to work around it, tell that to your idiot public servent.
And wear your mask while squatting all out so you can beat your pipes that you saved an imaginary life!!!!!!