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[QUOTE=startingat56;1672077883]Shocking article
what would make it less shocking would be to put it in context
stating percentages without stating overall numbers is intellectually dishonest[/QUOTE]
There’s links to the CDC website if you really care that much.
I’m just glad to see there is still purebloods out there.
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[QUOTE=GrouchyUSMC;1672116343]There’s links to the CDC website if you really care that much.
I’m just glad to see there is still purebloods out there.[/QUOTE]
Pretty simple math. Over 90% of recent COVID deaths in the US are in our over 65 population.
93% of the US population over 65 has been fully vaccinated.
US population over 65 is about 56 million people.
That gives us:
52 million vaccinated seniors and 4 million "pureblood seniors"
58x die from our 52 million vaccinated seniors
42x die from 4 million "pureblood seniors".
So according to that article's numbers, "Pureblood" seniors are 9.4 times more likely to die if they get COVID than vaccinated seniors are.
To be clear, I'm not saying that higher risk is purely because they didn't get vaccinated. It's possible they're just a group that makes really bad healthcare decisions and therefore die more easily when they get sick. Still, their deaths are being attributed to COVID, so the vaccines are clearly responsible for a large part of that nearly 90% reduction in mortality.
Can you explain why your response to an article like that was pleasure that "purebloods" are still out there?
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1672330873]Pretty simple math. Over 90% of recent COVID deaths in the US are in our over 65 population.
93% of the US population over 65 has been fully vaccinated.
US population over 65 is about 56 million people.
That gives us:
52 million vaccinated seniors and 4 million "pureblood seniors"
58x die from our 52 million vaccinated seniors
42x die from 4 million "pureblood seniors".
So according to that article's numbers, "Pureblood" seniors are 9.4 times more likely to die if they get COVID than vaccinated seniors are.
To be clear, I'm not saying that higher risk is purely because they didn't get vaccinated. It's possible they're just a group that makes really bad healthcare decisions and therefore die more easily when they get sick. Still, their deaths are being attributed to COVID, so the vaccines are clearly responsible for a large part of that nearly 90% reduction in mortality.
Can you explain why your response to an article like that was pleasure that "purebloods" are still out there?[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the update with the most recent data/numbers on what Covid-19 did and to whom.
Great information as always.
"So according to that article's numbers, "Pureblood" seniors are 9.4 times more likely to die if they get COVID than vaccinated seniors are."
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1672330873]Pretty simple math. Over 90% of recent COVID deaths in the US are in our over 65 population.
93% of the US population over 65 has been fully vaccinated.
US population over 65 is about 56 million people.
That gives us:
52 million vaccinated seniors and 4 million "pureblood seniors"
58x die from our 52 million vaccinated seniors
42x die from 4 million "pureblood seniors".
So according to that article's numbers, "Pureblood" seniors are 9.4 times more likely to die if they get COVID than vaccinated seniors are.
To be clear, I'm not saying that higher risk is purely because they didn't get vaccinated. It's possible they're just a group that makes really bad healthcare decisions and therefore die more easily when they get sick. Still, their deaths are being attributed to COVID, so the vaccines are clearly responsible for a large part of that nearly 90% reduction in mortality.
Can you explain why your response to an article like that was pleasure that "purebloods" are still out there?[/QUOTE]
My parents are in their 70s and everyone in their circle is unvaxxed. As you stated, the difference is they're in good health, eat healthy etc.
[QUOTE=_zman;1672337623]My parents are in their 70s and everyone in their circle is unvaxxed. As you stated, the difference is they're in good health, eat healthy etc.[/QUOTE]
I'm glad they're doing well, and I kind of hope they've been exposed by now and have such great immune systems that they just didn't get sick. Thankfully the current strains seem to be less dangerous, so either way, I'll just hope they never have any serious problems because of COVID.
One thing I didn't point out though, is that while the numbers indicate there are 4 million "pureblood seniors" (makes me laugh every time I type it), in reality, it's likely a large portion of them acquired some immunity by now. It's the completely COVID naive group that we should worry about the most. Unfortunately, we don't know who they are, and since immunity in seniors wains faster than in younger people, I still think everyone who's never had a vaccine should at least get the new bivalent booster shot once they're comfortable it's safe.
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1672374043]I'm glad they're doing well, and I kind of hope they've been exposed by now and have such great immune systems that they just didn't get sick. Thankfully the current strains seem to be less dangerous, so either way, I'll just hope they never have any serious problems because of COVID.
One thing I didn't point out though, is that while the numbers indicate there are 4 million "pureblood seniors" (makes me laugh every time I type it), in reality, it's likely a large portion of them acquired some immunity by now. It's the completely COVID naive group that we should worry about the most. Unfortunately, we don't know who they are, and since immunity in seniors wains faster than in younger people, I still think everyone who's never had a vaccine should at least get the new bivalent booster shot once they're comfortable it's safe.[/QUOTE]
"I still think everyone who's never had a vaccine should at least get the new bivalent booster shot once they're comfortable it's safe"
If they've made it this far, I'd say back off the bivalent booster as the trials were done with a few mice.
Screw that. The Data is completely skewed & seeing so many excess deaths are indicating there's something not being accounted for with mRNA vaccines. J&J or Novavax sure? However it's a no for modenna etc.. unless you want heart issues.
[QUOTE=_zman;1672337623]My parents are in their 70s and everyone in their circle is unvaxxed. As you stated, the difference is they're in good health, eat healthy etc.[/QUOTE]
My neighbor turns 102 this year, WWII vet. Still does everything himself and got his license renewed to 104. Still does his "Army exercises" every day. He ended up getting COVID and couldn't understand what the big deal was, in his words.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/6raWyVo.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1672374043]I'm glad they're doing well, and I kind of hope they've been exposed by now and have such great immune systems that they just didn't get sick. Thankfully the current strains seem to be less dangerous, so either way, I'll just hope they never have any serious problems because of COVID.
One thing I didn't point out though, is that while the numbers indicate there are 4 million "pureblood seniors" (makes me laugh every time I type it), in reality, it's likely a large portion of them acquired some immunity by now. It's the completely COVID naive group that we should worry about the most. Unfortunately, we don't know who they are, and since immunity in seniors wains faster than in younger people, I still think everyone who's never had a vaccine should at least get the new bivalent booster shot once they're comfortable it's safe.[/QUOTE]
Parents claimed they have had it 2x. Local doc gave them Ivermectin. I haven't done any research lately to know if it actually works.
[QUOTE=GrouchyUSMC;1672375463]My neighbor turns 102 this year, WWII vet. Still does everything himself and got his license renewed to 104. Still does his "Army exercises" every day. He ended up getting COVID and couldn't understand what the big deal was, in his words.[/QUOTE]
That's awesome. There's gotta only be a few dozen of those heroes left.
[QUOTE=GrouchyUSMC;1672375463]My neighbor turns 102 this year, WWII vet. Still does everything himself and got his license renewed to 104. Still does his "Army exercises" every day. He ended up getting COVID and couldn't understand what the big deal was, in his words.[/QUOTE]
Nice!
Pockets should buy him a drink.
[QUOTE=_zman;1672396543]Parents claimed they have had it 2x. Local doc gave them Ivermectin. I haven't done any research lately to know if it actually works.
[/QUOTE]
Ivermectin hasn't shown any in vivo efficacy, but so what.
They're healthy and didn't have a bad outcome, so you know, G-d bless ... .
[QUOTE=GrouchyUSMC;1672375463]My neighbor turns 102 this year, WWII vet. Still does everything himself and got his license renewed to 104. Still does his "Army exercises" every day. He ended up getting COVID and couldn't understand what the big deal was, in his words.[/QUOTE]
This is awesome... I like hearing about folks like this. On Veterans day I spent some time with some older Vets and really enjoyed their company. Stories for days lol
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1672416273]This is awesome... I like hearing about folks like this. On Veterans day I spent some time with some older Vets and really enjoyed their company. Stories for days lol[/QUOTE]
Cut the crap dikhead, you only like the guy because he’s a vet and that gives you a boner.
Anyone else that wonders what the big deal is after getting Covid you get on your fuking white horse and lector them.
Now get on your fuking float and buy the guy a drink, turkey.
[QUOTE=LWW;1672416823][img]https://i.imgur.com/ZDEUgcn.gif[/img][/QUOTE]
Not even dark yet and you're piss drunk. Sad.
You're a recipe for disaster
[img]https://i.imgur.com/sLS4ZhI.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=LWW;1672416823]Cut the crap dikhead, you only like the guy because he’s a vet and that gives you a boner.
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[QUOTE=mtpockets;1672417283]Not even dark yet and you're piss drunk. Sad.
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I missed something.
When did you two start dating?
[quote=justthedad;1672417813]i missed something.
When did you two start dating?[/quote]
lmao....
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1672417283]Not even dark yet and you're piss drunk. Sad.
You're a recipe for disaster
[img]https://i.imgur.com/sLS4ZhI.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
Why are you posting yourself drunk falling off the chair.
Was that you at the hotel bar? Guy is too tall to be me and not bulky enough.
We all you you got your azz kicked by the short fat stocky bald guy. It was worth going to jail over too.
Still short and stocky but not fat anymore. Your still a wannabe Knight with tacky armor.
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1672330873]Pretty simple math. Over 90% of recent COVID deaths in the US are in our over 65 population.
93% of the US population over 65 has been fully vaccinated.
US population over 65 is about 56 million people.
That gives us:
52 million vaccinated seniors and 4 million "pureblood seniors"
58x die from our 52 million vaccinated seniors
42x die from 4 million "pureblood seniors".
So according to that article's numbers, "Pureblood" seniors are 9.4 times more likely to die if they get COVID than vaccinated seniors are.
To be clear, I'm not saying that higher risk is purely because they didn't get vaccinated. It's possible they're just a group that makes really bad healthcare decisions and therefore die more easily when they get sick. Still, their deaths are being attributed to COVID, so the vaccines are clearly responsible for a large part of that nearly 90% reduction in mortality.
Can you explain why your response to an article like that was pleasure that "purebloods" are still out there?[/QUOTE]This is great analysis, but the number of covid deaths is now so low, it's not even really worth tracking.
[url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/[/url]
The 7 day moving average daily deaths in the US is currently under 200. And that is (as it always has been) people who have died [i]with[/i] covid not from it. That distinction between "with" and "from" was nearly meaningless at the height of the pandemic when covid (or covid related complications like pneumonia) was also the cause of death in 99.9% of the cases, but since the omicron variant is more like a cold than a killer respiratory pandemic, the distinction is no longer insignificant, so the number of people who die [i]from[/i] covid or covid related complications is likely even less than the 200 shown, as part of that 200 is now likely people who caught covid [i]in the hospital[/i] who would not have died from it but rather died from whatever they went there for. This is no longer something that we really need to worry about from a macro perspective. If you're at-risk for dying from covid, I recommend keeping up to date with boosters. If not, then get it or don't, doesn't matter, you're not going to die from it either way.
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1672417813]I missed something.
When did you two start dating?[/QUOTE]
Know one wants to smoke weed with Pockets anymore since he got that penis replica pipe.
He tried to take it to the waterhole on Veterans Day too, fuker put it in his pants listening to war stories........
[QUOTE=Jayarbie;1672418363]This is great analysis, but the number of covid deaths is now so low, it's not even really worth tracking.
[url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/[/url]
The 7 day moving average daily deaths in the US is currently under 200. And that is (as it always has been) people who have died [i]with[/i] covid not from it. That distinction between "with" and "from" was nearly meaningless at the height of the pandemic when covid (or covid related complications like pneumonia) was also the cause of death in 99.9% of the cases, but since the omicron variant is more like a cold than a killer respiratory pandemic, the distinction is no longer insignificant, so the number of people who die [i]from[/i] covid or covid related complications is likely even less than the 200 shown, as part of that 200 is now likely people who caught covid [i]in the hospital[/i] who would not have died from it but rather died from whatever they went there for. This is no longer something that we really need to worry about from a macro perspective. If you're at-risk for dying from covid, I recommend keeping up to date with boosters. If not, then get it or don't, doesn't matter, you're not going to die from it either way.[/QUOTE]
I hadn't bothered looking at worldometer in 4 months. I see 247, which is under 250, not quite under 200. Still, I somewhat agree with you. COVID isn't a huge issue right now.
But it's 90 thousand people who might have gotten to spend one more birthday with their kids or grandchildren, right? And we know there are more people that wind up weak and unable to do what they want for long periods, or permanently, as sequalae.
Remember, we aren't trying to prevent people from getting sick just to stop them from dying ...
The so called drunk is checking in many hours later, still going strong. Did squats and floor presses this evening.
I know you goofs believe everything from the white knight in tacky armor.
[QUOTE=_zman;1672396543]That's awesome. There's gotta only be a few dozen of those heroes left.[/QUOTE]
When we moved in 13 years ago, I was deployed to Iraq and my wife was talking to him about the military. She mentioned that I had been stationed on Okinawa, and he said he had been there too. When she asked if he had been at one of the bases there, he smiled and said “Honey, I’m the REASON those bases are there!”
Got both the seasonal flu, and the new covid "Booster" shot last night.
My biggest problem with the current Covid count now is lack of accuracy.
I know several people who never reported their home test kit positives to anyone; so the number in my city looks much smaller than it is.
[QUOTE=Cantplankwell;1672452253]Got both the seasonal flu, and the covid shot last night.[/QUOTE]
I got the flu shot a while back, in October I think. Anyways, last week I think I got the flu, it felt just like the flu but with much milder symptoms, I had it for about 5 days or so.
Good luck with your shots.
[quote=grouchyusmc;1672437193]when we moved in 13 years ago, i was deployed to iraq and my wife was talking to him about the military. She mentioned that i had been stationed on okinawa, and he said he had been there too. When she asked if he had been at one of the bases there, he smiled and said “honey, i’m the reason those bases are there!”[/quote]
lol
[url]https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.12.17.22283625v1.full[/url]
[QUOTE=KeepItMoving;1673342903][url]https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.12.17.22283625v1.full[/url][/QUOTE]
great info thanks.