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[QUOTE=sy2502;1633013143]Ding ding ding ding ding!![/QUOTE]
You know this is perplexing to me, my BIL had his second shot, the doctor told him he still needs to wash his hands and wear a mask, so I asked him can you still get Covid and he said, according to the doctor yes, but it wont be "lethal"...
I am not against anyone getting vaccinated if it makes them feel safe for themselves and others, but shouldn't (I am no doctor) the vaccine provide you some sense of security?
All of my wife's sister got their shots as I mention her only brother as well. Her aunt and uncle who are close to 80 also got theirs so Patty feels more comfortable now and she is going to get hers, once again, just like when she took the test she is asking me if I am going to get vaccinated and I told her no.
This Covid has had my wife and I disagreeing more in our whole 39 years together. I love my wife to death, she always stands behind my decisions as I do hers and we support one another 100%, but this Covid sh!t man, this has her (not me) not supporting my decision and quite frankly it is starting to piss me off and one thing my wife knows is pissing me off is not a good thing..
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[QUOTE=exyl;1633072753]Conspiracy talking points? I think the questions are pretty valid. Saying I’m a conspiracy theorist for things I can observe and question is lazy.
I just don’t think it’s necessary. I think we agree that it should be a choice — I do think we will probably see segregation in businesses with the vaccine passport. There will probably be businesses who only allow vaccinated people to shop or work there, as well as businesses who don’t enforce these types of measures[/QUOTE]
You posted a pic of Gates - the same guy Qidiots say is trying to microchip us through vaccines. Your questions seem valid to you because of your ignorance on the topic (deliberate?), not because they haven't been answered. Talk about lazy.
As for what businesses will and won't do that's speculation but the other poster even made reference to a local clinic not requiring them due to people not wanting to work there. I think we see that more than the opposite (since we are playing the what if game).
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[QUOTE=bodyhard;1633084113]You know this is perplexing to me, my BIL had his second shot, the doctor told him he still needs to wash his hands and wear a mask, so I asked him can you still get Covid and he said, according to the doctor yes, but it wont be "lethal"...
I am not against anyone getting vaccinated if it makes them feel safe for themselves and others, but shouldn't (I am no doctor) the vaccine provide you some sense of security?
All of my wife's sister got their shots as I mention her only brother as well. Her aunt and uncle who are close to 80 also got theirs so Patty feels more comfortable now and she is going to get hers, once again, just like when she took the test she is asking me if I am going to get vaccinated and I told her no.
This Covid has had my wife and I disagreeing more in our whole 39 years together. I love my wife to death, she always stands behind my decisions as I do hers and we support one another 100%, but this Covid sh!t man, this has her (not me) not supporting my decision and quite frankly it is starting to piss me off and one thing my wife knows is pissing me off is not a good thing..[/QUOTE]
Everything I have read, the vaccination protecting the recipient from the effects of the virus, not a lot of data on it from people catching and spreading it, I guess time will tell that. Don't throw your masks away yet
[img]https://i.imgur.com/p8Pk8gh.jpg?1[/img]
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I’ll get vaccinated when it’s my turn.
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[QUOTE=Mark1T;1633084673]I’ll get vaccinated when it’s my turn.[/QUOTE]
I am going to see which one is offered to me, then research a bit more before I make a decision
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[QUOTE=Jtbny;1633084363]You posted a pic of Gates - the same guy Qidiots say is trying to microchip us through vaccines. Your questions seem valid to you because of your ignorance on the topic (deliberate?), not because they haven't been answered. Talk about lazy.
As for what businesses will and won't do that's speculation but the other poster even made reference to a local clinic not requiring them due to people not wanting to work there. I think we see that more than the opposite (since we are playing the what if game).[/QUOTE]
Notsureifserious...Gates is trying to microchip through vaccines..this isn’t news.
Also getting vaccinated for a virus less deadly than the flu is absurd.
[url]https://biohackinfo.com/news-bill-gates-id2020-vaccine-implant-covid-19-digital-certificates/[/url]
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[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1633085553]Notsureifserious...Gates is trying to microchip through vaccines..this isn’t news.
Also getting vaccinated for a virus less deadly than the flu is absurd.
[url]https://biohackinfo.com/news-bill-gates-id2020-vaccine-implant-covid-19-digital-certificates/[/url][/QUOTE]
And this is why we can't have nice things...
PS not clicking that link. Might get microchipped from it.
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[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1633085553]Notsureifserious...Gates is trying to microchip through vaccines..this isn’t news.
Also getting vaccinated for a virus less deadly than the flu is absurd.
[url]https://biohackinfo.com/news-bill-gates-id2020-vaccine-implant-covid-19-digital-certificates/[/url][/QUOTE]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/V7nI4Ot.gif[/img]
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[QUOTE=Jtbny;1633085783]And this is why we can't have nice things....[/QUOTE]
Umm we can’t have nice things because one side keeps canceling everything lol. How’s Mr. Potato Head..?
Nice projection though. Keep trying..maybe one day you’ll post something intelligent
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[QUOTE=Jtbny;1633085783]And this is why we can't have nice things...
PS not clicking that link. Might get microchipped from it.[/QUOTE]
The link is a pro-bio hacking website..they are all for it. They are computer geeks that love Gates lol
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[QUOTE=mtpockets;1633084553]Everything I have read, the vaccination protecting the recipient from the effects of the virus, not a lot of data on it from people catching and spreading it, I guess time will tell that. Don't throw your masks away yet][/QUOTE]
It’s highly likely that if it prevents you from getting COVID it prevents you from spreading it, since you would never generate enough viral load to become infectious. If the vaccine allowed enough viral replication to become infectious, you would have a lower efficacy because more people would get sick. The whole continue to wear masks, distance etc is just to keep everyone following the mitigation’s until more vaccines are delivered to larger numbers of people. You can’t say “if you’ve been vaccinated go ahead and do whatever you want” because then everyone would follow along whether vaccinated or not. At this point, I think we can assume big pharma will be trying to ensure that they can sell as many as possible for those federal dollars. To think they don’t have a LOT of clout is a mistake. Lobbyists know exactly how to help drive political positions $$$.
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[QUOTE=mtpockets;1633084893]I am going to see which one is offered to me, then research a bit more before I make a decision[/QUOTE]
Can’t we request which one or is it whatever they have on hand?
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[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1633087013]It’s highly likely that if it prevents you from getting COVID it prevents you from spreading it, since you would never generate enough viral load to become infectious. If the vaccine allowed enough viral replication to become infectious, you would have a lower efficacy because more people would get sick. The whole continue to wear masks, distance etc is just to keep everyone following the mitigation’s until more vaccines are delivered to larger numbers of people. You can’t say “if you’ve been vaccinated go ahead and do whatever you want” because then everyone would follow along whether vaccinated or not. At this point, I think we can assume big pharma will be trying to ensure that they can sell as many as possible for those federal dollars. To think they don’t have a LOT of clout is a mistake. Lobbyists know exactly how to help drive political positions $$$.[/QUOTE]
That's more comforting then what my doctor told me, thanks for the info PP
[QUOTE=Mark1T;1633087663]Can’t we request which one or is it whatever they have on hand?[/QUOTE]
Guess that depends on your area, when I asked my Doctor they said it will depend on availability, but he didn't seem to think we would be able to pick and choose, that was a while back, may have changed by now.
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CAN WE REQUEST WHICH INTEL CHIP WE GET?
I mean if i am going to get chipped, i want the I-1,000,000 Intel chip for faster processing.
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[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1633087013]It’s highly likely that if it prevents you from getting COVID ...[/QUOTE] what do you mean by "Covid", if you mean the currently dominant strain(s) then yes.
But it's a coronavirus, the outer coat mutates and the bodies immune response fades. It's like the common cold which you can catch the same one more than once in a lifetime and have thousands of strains to pick from.
If everyone is vaccinated to the currently one we just select conditions for a different one that evades vaccination to have the advantage. You can't defeat the common cold, you can't defeat Covid.
Herd immunity and vaccination works for specific strains (or families of strains) but overall virus... there's no such thing as herd immunity or vaccination. What we can achieve instead is familiarity. So our bodies have seen similar strains and is ok about it, give or take a brief minor illness, just like the common cold. That's our endgame and vaccination is part of the game, but don't sell it as the solution to stop the spread. Roll with the punches.
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[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1633085893]Umm we can’t have nice things because one side keeps canceling everything lol. How’s Mr. Potato Head..?
Nice projection though. Keep trying.[B].maybe one day you’ll post something intelligent[/B][/QUOTE]
Speaking of projection...
You seem easily triggered. Grab a Coke and chill out tough guy.
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[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1633088013]CAN WE REQUEST WHICH INTEL CHIP WE GET?
I mean if i am going to get chipped, i want the I-1,000,000 Intel chip for faster processing.[/QUOTE]
I chose Apple. The same idiots who parrot this walk around all day with their cell phones.
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[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1633085893]..How’s Mr. Potato Head..?...[/QUOTE] come on Paul, you know that's not politically correct, the Potato family are not assumed to conform to your binary stereotypes and are now known by Hasbro as "The Potato heads". We've been through this one already!
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To anyone who did get vaccinated already, were you given a choice in what vaccine you got?
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[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1633098453]what do you mean by "Covid", if you mean the currently dominant strain(s) then yes.
But it's a coronavirus, the outer coat mutates and the bodies immune response fades. It's like the common cold which you can catch the same one more than once in a lifetime and have thousands of strains to pick from.
If everyone is vaccinated to the currently one we just select conditions for a different one that evades vaccination to have the advantage. You can't defeat the common cold, you can't defeat Covid.
Herd immunity and vaccination works for specific strains (or families of strains) but overall virus... there's no such thing as herd immunity or vaccination. What we can achieve instead is familiarity. So our bodies have seen similar strains and is ok about it, give or take a brief minor illness, just like the common cold. That's our endgame and vaccination is part of the game, but don't sell it as the solution to stop the spread. Roll with the punches.[/QUOTE]
COVID-19 is the disease resulting from the SARS-CoV-2 virus. Mutations would have been occurring since day 1, they are nothing new. So far, the mutations have not been significant enough to really change much. As far as being “more contagious” I would imagine that through the process of natural selection we would have brought that on through mask use. We would essentially select for the smaller viral particles size virus (range is 50-200) so by wearing masks the smaller particles would have a higher potential of getting past/through a mask, replicating, and moving their specific traits forward. There are always transcription errors that lead to changes, some make the virus more successful others less. If the variations were significant enough to allow for reinfection then I’d agree with you, but so far they are not. In fact, the cases of “confirmed reinfection” are so low, that many if not all are the result of one of the tests being a false positive. If the “variants” were different enough to allow for reinfection, the vaccines wouldn’t work. There are not that many known coronaviruses that cause the common cold, or respiratory illness (less then 10). Most colds are caused by rhinoviruses which there are more and they can recombinate and share genetic material like influenza viruses, which allows for major changes in a short period of time.
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[QUOTE=bodyhard;1633084113]You know this is perplexing to me, my BIL had his second shot, the doctor told him he still needs to wash his hands and wear a mask, so I asked him can you still get Covid and he said, according to the doctor yes, but it wont be "lethal"...
I am not against anyone getting vaccinated if it makes them feel safe for themselves and others, but shouldn't (I am no doctor) the vaccine provide you some sense of security?
All of my wife's sister got their shots as I mention her only brother as well. Her aunt and uncle who are close to 80 also got theirs so Patty feels more comfortable now and she is going to get hers, once again, just like when she took the test she is asking me if I am going to get vaccinated and I told her no.
This Covid has had my wife and I disagreeing more in our whole 39 years together. I love my wife to death, she always stands behind my decisions as I do hers and we support one another 100%, but this Covid sh!t man, this has her (not me) not supporting my decision and quite frankly it is starting to piss me off and one thing my wife knows is pissing me off is not a good thing..[/QUOTE]
haha such is life I guess. But yea I’m waiting myself to get the vaccine. I’m taking precautions but I’m worried about unknown side effects of humans instructing the body to do some chit. That’s just too much intervention imo
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[QUOTE=bodyhard;1633084113]You know this is perplexing to me, my BIL had his second shot, the doctor told him he still needs to wash his hands and wear a mask, so I asked him can you still get Covid and he said, according to the doctor yes, but it wont be "lethal"...
I am not against anyone getting vaccinated if it makes them feel safe for themselves and others, but shouldn't (I am no doctor) the vaccine provide you some sense of security?
All of my wife's sister got their shots as I mention her only brother as well. Her aunt and uncle who are close to 80 also got theirs so Patty feels more comfortable now and she is going to get hers, once again, just like when she took the test she is asking me if I am going to get vaccinated and I told her no.
This Covid has had my wife and I disagreeing more in our whole 39 years together. I love my wife to death, she always stands behind my decisions as I do hers and we support one another 100%, but this Covid sh!t man, this has her (not me) not supporting my decision and quite frankly it is starting to piss me off and one thing my wife knows is pissing me off is not a good thing..[/QUOTE]
Bh a lot of the confusion comes from experts not being 100% sure about outcomes, when the advice was given a year ago and things changed or morphed. There are some things that they just are not sure about and this freaks some personality types the fk out! What i saw was a chart that showed with the P+M brand shots, after 60 days you were 90+ percent protected so 5-10% not not protected. You do what you want with that 5-10% but i will change behavior after i get mine with that peace of mind.
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[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1633105083]..., the cases of “confirmed reinfection” are so low, that many if not all are the result of one of the tests being a false positive...[/QUOTE] Are we discussing the same virus? Manaus (Capital of the Amazon region) was hit very hard and health services overwhelmed (didn't have effective measures to slow transmission and basic health services) serology estimates that 75% of the population had been infected and the city achieved herd immunity (to the original variants of sars-cov2) but despite that they got hit again by another wave which again overwhelmed their basic health system. (Confirmed as genetic differences on spike proteins evading immunity from prior infection). Reinfection by variants is established, not a distraction by outliers and false positives but in large populations - using a city of 2 million as an example.
Have a read of this [url]https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n592[/url]. (Incidentally the individual discussed was traced).
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[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1633111333]Are we discussing the same virus? Manaus (Capital of the Amazon region) was hit very hard and health services overwhelmed (didn't have effective measures to slow transmission and basic health services) serology estimates that 75% of the population had been infected and the city achieved herd immunity (to the original variants of sars-cov2) but despite that they got hit again by another wave which again overwhelmed their basic health system. (Confirmed as genetic differences on spike proteins evading immunity from prior infection). Reinfection by variants is established, not a distraction by outliers and false positives but in large populations - using a city of 2 million as an example.
Have a read of this [url]https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n592[/url]. (Incidentally the individual discussed was traced).[/QUOTE]
I’m not sure that we are. Despite the “health care system” of somewhere I’ve never heard of in the jungle being overwhelmed, to date there have been fewer than 50 CONFIRMED cases of COVID-19 reinfection, worldwide. That’s according to the CDC here in the US. There are somewhere around 400 suspected cases of reinfection, worldwide. So maybe we are talking about something different.
I’m not sure how they gathered their data, but it sounds like it could have been an “estimation” of herd immunity that turned out to simply be a reduced infection rate between a pair of surges.
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I had this stupid virus. Its not $hit. Seasonal allergies are worse. I will pass on the vaccine.
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[QUOTE=Majurbludd;1633113793]I had this stupid virus. Its not $hit. Seasonal allergies are worse. I will pass on the vaccine.[/QUOTE]
Sounds like you were one of the lucky ones, many others weren't so fortunate
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[url]https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/03/04/obesity-and-covid-death-rate-closely-linked-in-new-study/[/url]
[Quote]Through analysis of Johns Hopkins University virus mortality data and the World Health Organization’s (WHO) data on obesity, the World Obesity Federation—a non-profit associated with the WHO—calculated that 2.2 million of the pandemic’s 2.5 million global deaths were in countries with high levels of obesity.
The report found death rates were 10x higher in countries where more than 50% of the population is overweight, pointing to the U.K. and the U.S. as examples.[/Quote]
Obesity appears be close to age as a factor in outcomes.
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[QUOTE=TolerantLactose;1633114933][url]https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/03/04/obesity-and-covid-death-rate-closely-linked-in-new-study/[/url]
Obesity appears be close to age as a factor in outcomes.[/QUOTE]
Here is a fun hypothetical, how long will it take to solve the usa obesity problem? Can we do it b4 the covid gets people first,lol?
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[QUOTE=mtpockets;1633101123]To anyone who did get vaccinated already, were you given a choice in what vaccine you got?[/QUOTE]
I am last on the list but the gf had no choice, the state was doing all Moderna.
I then callled the Hopkins connected hospital and they said we use Pfizer in DC.
Lastly, I called their location in MD and they said we use whatever they send us,lol.
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[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1633115803]Here is a fun hypothetical, how long will it take to solve the usa obesity problem? Can we do it b4 the covid gets people first,lol?[/QUOTE]
Dude, they should always have emphasized that, every day, the healthcare experts very well know it's killing us, even before covid.
Covid is not going anywhere, it's here to stay. And be a year in the news and never tell people about to lose weight but close gyms etc. is just irresponsible.
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[QUOTE=Cass40;1633116063]Dude, they should always have emphasized that, every day, the healthcare experts very well know it's killing us, even before covid.
Covid is not going anywhere, it's here to stay. And be a year in the news and never tell people about to lose weight but close gyms etc. is just irresponsible.[/QUOTE]
Agree, this was the time to really hammer this point home while people were listening.
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[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1633115803]Here is a fun hypothetical, how long will it take to solve the usa obesity problem? Can we do it b4 the covid gets people first,lol?[/QUOTE]
Why should we, I like being a fat bastard who lifts. Gaining 20# blasted through my 10 year Dead Lift plato, I mean it hurts me on my BW to lift ratio, no chance of my 3x BW goal, (I hit over 2.5 x BW as a 180#) but that's ok with me.
I live what the Strongman calls "fat and fit" lifestyle and I'll mention the only strongmen that dies early and had strokes are the drug users, the drug free guys are kicking for loooong time and still downing pizzas and beers.
Besides you know the Gubmit has a "one size fits all" approach.
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[QUOTE=Cass40;1633116063]Dude, they should always have emphasized that, every day, the healthcare experts very well know it's killing us, even before covid.
Covid is not going anywhere, it's here to stay. And be a year in the news and never tell people about to lose weight but close gyms etc. is just irresponsible.[/QUOTE]
Dudet, i agree they should have but they don't because of the DC lobbyists pushing their food(drug)products.
My only dig was at the idea of people "suddenly" getting into shape.
Because i have been watching and paying attention, 10 years ago the avg woman was 5 ft3 130, now, 170.
The weight prob seems to be here to stay.
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[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1633157613]Dudet, i agree they should have but they don't because of the DC lobbyists pushing their food(drug)products.
My only dig was at the idea of people "suddenly" getting into shape.
Because i have been watching and paying attention, 10 years ago the avg woman was 5 ft3 130, now, 170.
The weight prob seems to be here to stay.[/QUOTE]
You know why I love my gym?
The motto is “we are NOT a weight loss gym” but if you don’t work hard and challenge yourself, adios!!!
Nope we ain’t Planet Fitness but we welcome a strong girl at 200# with open arms.
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[QUOTE=LWW;1633132693]Why should we, I like being a fat bastard who lifts. Gaining 20# blasted through my 10 year Dead Lift plato, I mean it hurts me on my BW to lift ratio, no chance of my 3x BW goal, (I hit over 2.5 x BW as a 180#) but that's ok with me.
I live what the Strongman calls "fat and fit" lifestyle and I'll mention the only strongmen that dies early and had strokes are the drug users, the drug free guys are kicking for loooong time and still downing pizzas and beers.
Besides you know the Gubmit has a "one size fits all" approach.[/QUOTE]
You don't lean out at all throughout the year? Do you consider yourself a bodybuilder or more along the lines of the powerlifter or strongman type? Do you compete?
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[QUOTE=Cass40;1633116063]Dude, they should always have emphasized that, every day, the healthcare experts very well know it's killing us, even before covid.
Covid is not going anywhere, it's here to stay. And be a year in the news and never tell people about to lose weight but close gyms etc. is just irresponsible.[/QUOTE] In the UK there was a campaign to encourage people who need to shed a "few" pounds to do so, but it was very low key and hugely behind the other health messages. I absolutely don't tolerate shaming people, descrimination, or any other forms of bullying using bodyfat as a target. But equally I don't support this BS too scared to mention approach - in case it offends the HAEW movement (healthy at every weight) which was becoming the latest celebrated victim of our blame culture just before covid hit. People have a right to be fat without discrimination but also need to accept that every weight isn't healthy.
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[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1633164433]In the UK there was a campaign to encourage people who need to shed a "few" pounds to do so, but it was very low key and hugely behind the other health messages. I absolutely don't tolerate shaming people, descrimination, or any other forms of bullying using bodyfat as a target. But equally I don't support this BS too scared to mention approach - in case it offends the HAEW movement (healthy at every weight) which was becoming the latest celebrated victim of our blame culture just before covid hit. People have a right to be fat without discrimination but also need to accept that every weight isn't healthy.[/QUOTE]
Yeah sure let's make sure everyone has a right to be fat even if it causes economy to collapse, not only for us but for the future generations too.
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[QUOTE=LWW;1633132693]Why should we, I like being a fat bastard who lifts. Gaining 20# blasted through my 10 year Dead Lift plato, I mean it hurts me on my BW to lift ratio, no chance of my 3x BW goal, (I hit over 2.5 x BW as a 180#) but that's ok with me.
I live what the Strongman calls "fat and fit" lifestyle and I'll mention the only strongmen that dies early and had strokes are the drug users, the drug free guys are kicking for loooong time and still downing pizzas and beers.
Besides you know the Gubmit has a "one size fits all" approach.[/QUOTE]
Because the vast majority of obese Americans aren't in the gym, that why.
Besides - it's far easier to get fat and get stronger. Try getting stronger while trying to maintain a decent body fat level- thats much harder past noob gains. Most of the strongman/woman I know use their training as an excuse to eat "need to feed the gains". When they are done competing they have to live with those choices. Not a knock on those doing it. Its rough on the body but health isn't the objective.
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[QUOTE=mtpockets;1633161623]You don't lean out at all throughout the year? Do you consider yourself a bodybuilder or more along the lines of the powerlifter or strongman type? Do you compete?[/QUOTE]
Basically what my thing is, I'm looking at my last 15-20 years to get as big as possible naturally and lifting more than I ever did being under 200. I don't care at all about competing in anything or bodybuiding. I did several Strongman contests as a 180-190# (200 class), I qualified for nationals, thats as far as I ever wanted to go contest wise.
I'm having fun doing what I'm doing now, I've never weighed over 200 until these last couple years, I like the strength gains. I don't look at this as needing to do something now, but another 10-20 year journey, and then take it from there. If my health is good, I won't loose weight.
I know how to lean down, I've done it (155 from 180), as long as I know how, I'm ok with it, but I want power, natural power.
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[QUOTE=Jtbny;1633166123]
Besides - it's far easier to get fat and get stronger. Try getting stronger while trying to maintain a decent body fat level- thats much harder past noob gains. Most of the strongman/woman I know use their training as an excuse to eat "need to feed the gains". When they are done competing they have to live with those choices. Not a knock on those doing it. Its rough on the body but health isn't the objective.[/QUOTE]
I've seen my share of "lean" monsters have health issues too. If I can sprint up and down steps without dying and can tie shoes, walk fast pace for an hour without dying, I'm good, I can do all that everyday. I can pick up a keg and run with it. I don't need marathon conditioning "at all".
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[QUOTE=LWW;1633166823]I've seen my share of "lean" monsters have health issues too. If I can sprint up and down steps without dying and can tie shoes, walk fast pace for an hour without dying, I'm good, I can do all that everyday. I can pick up a keg and run with it. I don't need marathon conditioning "at all".[/QUOTE]
I believe you. Don't you need to be fit to do those high reps you do?
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[QUOTE=LWW;1633166443]Basically what my thing is, I'm looking at my last 15-20 years to get as big as possible naturally and lifting more than I ever did being under 200. I don't care at all about competing in anything or bodybuiding. I did several Strongman contests as a 180-190# (200 class), I qualified for nationals, thats as far as I ever wanted to go contest wise.
I'm having fun doing what I'm doing now, I've never weighed over 200 until these last couple years, I like the strength gains. I don't look at this as needing to do something now, but another 10-20 year journey, and then take it from there. If my health is good, I won't loose weight.
I know how to lean down, I've done it (155 from 180), as long as I know how, I'm ok with it, but I want power, natural power.[/QUOTE]
I understand, I am a bodybuilder however Cardio is my priority always, I am an avid biker, hiker, skier just to name a few and my cardio is always on point, it's easy when you enjoy the activities. Before I turned 50 I wanted to pull 500 by my 50th birthday, the owner of my gym was a BB pro and her husband also a bodybuilder, powerlifter and was a coach for both, they helped me get that lift but it meant me upping my calories and obviously putting on a few pounds in the process. Cardio wise, I could still out perform most but I tell you I noticed a difference with just a few pounds and couldn't wait to get it off.. What do you do for Cardio?
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[QUOTE=Cass40;1633167633]I believe you. Don't you need to be fit to do those high reps you do?[/QUOTE]
Yeah the high rep squats test cardiovascular system.
I prefer to train squats at a higher rep range than powerlifting style singles, I use powerlifting style singles for dead lift.
I love the cardio effect higher rep squats provide, so you don’t nessecarly need to be in good condition, training them builds conditiong. It’s only a couple minutes though, but I also do 10 minutes KB work as warmup, not every week but mostly every week. I hate those because it’s boring. To me getting a 20 rep squat is not boring.
The 10 minute KB work loosens my tight back up (because I train near 90 percent dead lift every week) every other week would help my back, but I’m stupid. Lol.
10 minutes of KB swings will have most fit people heart rate up high too.
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[QUOTE=LWW;1633171493]Yeah the high rep squats test cardiovascular system.
I prefer to train squats at a higher rep range than powerlifting style singles, I use powerlifting style singles for dead lift.
I love the cardio effect higher rep squats provide, so you don’t nessecarly need to be in good condition, training them builds conditiong. It’s only a couple minutes though, but I also do 10 minutes KB work as warmup, not every week but mostly every week. I hate those because it’s boring. To me getting a 20 rep squat is not boring.
The 10 minute KB work loosens my tight back up (because I train near 90 percent dead lift every week) every other week would help my back, but I’m stupid. Lol.
10 minutes of KB swings will have most fit people heart rate up high too.[/QUOTE]
I would think you need good conditioning. I mean you were squatting 225 22 reps.
I can't imagine anyone doing that if they don't have good endurance.
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[QUOTE=mtpockets;1633168723]I understand, I am a bodybuilder however Cardio is my priority always, I am an avid biker, hiker, skier just to name a few and my cardio is always on point, it's easy when you enjoy the activities. Before I turned 50 I wanted to pull 500 by my 50th birthday, the owner of my gym was a BB pro and her husband also a bodybuilder, powerlifter and was a coach for both, they helped me get that lift but it meant me upping my calories and obviously putting on a few pounds in the process. Cardio wise, I could still out perform most but I tell you I noticed a difference with just a few pounds and couldn't wait to get it off.. What do you do for Cardio?[/QUOTE]
I may of answered in post before, but I love high rep squats for cardio, I'd rather dead lift a big weight for one rep, but do higher reps in squat (I honestly am not interested in a powerlifting 1 rep squat), biking and running is not something I'm interested in.
I've actually got a 30 rep squat on my mind that I'd like to do in the coming weeks, it will be a lighter weight.
I also walk my dogs everyday around an hour, been doing this for 13 years, rarely missing a day. I don't even consider that cardio, but the medical field does.
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[QUOTE=Cass40;1633165013]Yeah sure let's make sure everyone has a right to be fat even if it causes economy to collapse, not only for us but for the future generations too.[/QUOTE] Everyone has a right to compete for "The Darwin Awards" ;) It's not the prize I'm trying to win!
[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1633112893]I’m not sure that we are. Despite the “health care system” of somewhere I’ve never heard of in the jungle being overwhelmed, to date there have been fewer than 50 CONFIRMED cases of COVID-19 reinfection, worldwide. That’s according to the CDC here in the US. There are somewhere around 400 suspected cases of reinfection, worldwide. So maybe we are talking about something different.
I’m not sure how they gathered their data, but it sounds like it could have been an “estimation” of herd immunity that turned out to simply be a reduced infection rate between a pair of surges.[/QUOTE]
Yeah it could be an error, but whether or not you've heard of it isn't relevant, could you have placed Wuhan on a map 2 years ago?
My point isn't that reinfection is happening in the US currently, the strains that do this aren't present in US (or at least insignificantly rare) and don't have any particular advantage over other strains.
My point is that vaccination and exposure will create conditions where strains that can evade immune response developed from original strains *then* have the advantage. This is a problem in the medium term, maybe you need to think longer. The fancy buzzword is "de-risking", not elimination (which is increasingly seen as impossible), certainly in official UK public health policy anyway.
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[QUOTE=LWW;1633175243]I may of answered in post before, but I love high rep squats for cardio, I'd rather dead lift a big weight for one rep, but do higher reps in squat (I honestly am not interested in a powerlifting 1 rep squat), biking and running is not something I'm interested in.
I've actually got a 30 rep squat on my mind that I'd like to do in the coming weeks, it will be a lighter weight.
I also walk my dogs everyday around an hour, been doing this for 13 years, rarely missing a day. I don't even consider that cardio, but the medical field does.[/QUOTE]
Dog walks only count if you have a back pack with couple of 20 lb plates in it over uneven terrain.
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[QUOTE=LWW;1633166823]I've seen my share of "lean" monsters have health issues too. If I can sprint up and down steps without dying and can tie shoes, walk fast pace for an hour without dying, I'm good, I can do all that everyday. I can pick up a keg and run with it. I don't need marathon conditioning "at all".[/QUOTE]
Ya no doubt there. But again that's not the normal population. But in the end carrying around too much weight for too long could lead to other issues.
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[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1633179353]Everyone has a right to compete for "The Darwin Awards" ;) It's not the prize I'm trying to win!
Yeah it could be an error, but whether or not you've heard of it isn't relevant, could you have placed Wuhan on a map 2 years ago?
My point isn't that reinfection is happening in the US currently, the strains that do this aren't present in US (or at least insignificantly rare) and don't have any particular advantage over other strains.
My point is that vaccination and exposure will create conditions where strains that can evade immune response developed from original strains *then* have the advantage. This is a problem in the medium term, maybe you need to think longer. The fancy buzzword is "de-risking", not elimination (which is increasingly seen as impossible), certainly in official UK public health policy anyway.[/QUOTE]
I don’t think I need any help to think big picture. I have a degree in the field including post graduate level coursework. I was hired to develop a response plan for West Nile virus when that was first emerging here for one of the largest public health departments in the country. You can believe whatever you want, if you enjoy believing there are some new strains that are so different reinfection is occurring on a large scale go for it. I’ve already pointed out that the number of confirmed cases of reinfection worldwide is 50 (well within the range of all of them being a false positive on one end of the testing) and suspected is around 400 again, globally. So it sounds like you want to cherry-pick “science” that fits your beliefs (not denying variants exist, just that they are different enough to matter or cause reinfection). It’s likely that this virus will never go away completely, it will circulate at some level somewhere. However, it will soon become such a low level threat that the media will stop reporting on it, because nobody will care except for those so fearful that they will probably never return to their pre-Covid lives. It very well could mutate to something different enough to evade current immunity, but I’ve not seen anything compelling yet in terms of actual science. Anything is possible. Also, I still couldn’t point out wuhan on a map, no care. It’s out in the world now and if that’s where it originated from, it’s not like we can “put it back there” and be done with it.
Edit to add, I firmly believe that many more people will die as the result of the Covid response than from the virus. There’s a $hit load of people who are dependent on foreign aid from more developed countries that will need to be reduced due to shutdowns and supply chain disruptions. I’ll bet millions more people than normal will starve to death or die from lack of the normal donated medical care...
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[QUOTE=Jtbny;1633181503]Ya no doubt there. But again that's not the normal population. But in the end carrying around too much weight for too long could lead to other issues.[/QUOTE]
I'd rather be fat and strong than skinny and starving, I've lived in poverty, starvation is my only fear actually. At least being fat you have a chance of working to be better, when you are starving, you can't even workout.
........It scares the chit out of me to hear the Microsoft man talk about how everyone can be forced to "like the taste of fake meat", ugh, red meat gives me energy for days (I don't need it everyday, but I need "real" meat), some people want us all to be living off gronola and be skinny runners.
