[QUOTE=tstevens935;1631322233]Thanks man! Appreciate the reply. I hope to get as lean as you one day, but that's hard work to get that low. Major props.[/QUOTE]
Naw man, honestly i struggled with an eating disorders for over a decade... i'm actually pushing really hard to bulk right now.
If you think this is lean, you'd be shocked what it was like when I was truly emaciated. Being fit > being shredded.
But that being said, it just takes time... honestly, you look great as it is!
[QUOTE=AdamWW;1631318913]You’re not 20%... maybe 15%
You just need to start eating and lifting heavy.
Get on a good beginner program like Fierce 5 Novice and eat in a reasonable surplus[/QUOTE]
Thank you so much for the workout plan and estimate I truly do appreciate it!
What’s his bodyfat% he’s 6’1 214 pounds
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[QUOTE=flashstinson0;1631346913]What’s his bodyfat% he’s 6’1 214 pounds
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Like 16-17%
[QUOTE=tstevens935;1631320173]Hi All,
Height: 5 10
Weight: 178
Waist: 32-33
Pictures are on profile.
I have been dying to know what my bodyfat is at. I just cut down from 207 and am sitting at 178. I'm guessing between 12-15% most calculators and tests I do pin me in that range. Although I know how unreliable those can be. I know that's a big range, but what do you guys think? I'm sick of cutting and I want to start bulking so bad. My lifts have stayed the same and have not noticed much loss of strength at all.
Thank you to anyone that offers their thoughts![/QUOTE]thats a lot of weight to lose and maintain your lifts. Good job! How long was your cut? I’m guessing you went slow? Do you know how much you lost per week? I’m really surprised your strength hasn’t gone down. What was your cutting cals and cardio?
And I agree with Adam ^ 12ish%
[QUOTE=snailsrus;1631363573]thats a lot of weight to lose and maintain your lifts. Good job! How long was your cut? I’m guessing you went slow? Do you know how much you lost per week? I’m really surprised your strength hasn’t gone down. What was your cutting cals and cardio?
And I agree with Adam ^ 12ish%[/QUOTE]
Damn snails lookin jacked in the new avi
You’re stage ready!
[QUOTE=AdamWW;1631365003]Damn snails lookin jacked in the new avi
You’re stage ready![/QUOTE]hella ya! A special miscer artist painted a real life representation :) can’t barely tell it’s a painting
[QUOTE=snailsrus;1631366453]hella ya! A special miscer artist painted a real life representation :) can’t barely tell it’s a painting[/QUOTE]
wait, its NOT a photo? ;o)
[QUOTE=AdamWW;1631359563]Like 16-17%[/QUOTE]
Thanks! He’s pretty brolic on the court!
Bodyfat % ?
5’11 198
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[QUOTE=flashstinson0;1631375363]Bodyfat % ?
5’11 198
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15-16%
6' 202lbs
[QUOTE=tstevens935;1631320173]Hi All,
Height: 5 10
Weight: 178
Waist: 32-33
Pictures are on profile.
I have been dying to know what my bodyfat is at. I just cut down from 207 and am sitting at 178. I'm guessing between 12-15% most calculators and tests I do pin me in that range. Although I know how unreliable those can be. I know that's a big range, but what do you guys think? I'm sick of cutting and I want to start bulking so bad. My lifts have stayed the same and have not noticed much loss of strength at all.
Thank you to anyone that offers their thoughts![/QUOTE] 12-14%
[QUOTE=KCMann;1631408553]6' 202lbs[/QUOTE] 17-19%
I'm 6'1, 165, 28 inch waist, calipers say I'm 2% lmao. AdamWW, I'm back, good bit leaner than last time. And I've added another 20lb to my dips and 15lb to my pull up. Remind me how I'm putting myself in mortal peril maintaining my 1300c deficit at this body fat level? Because I'm still goin strong, felling great.
[QUOTE=LIKAB0SS;1631522823]I'm 6'1, 165, 28 inch waist, calipers say I'm 2% lmao. AdamWW, I'm back, good bit leaner than last time. And I've added another 20lb to my dips and 15lb to my pull up. Remind me how I'm putting myself in mortal peril maintaining my 1300c deficit at this body fat level? Because I'm still goin strong, felling great.[/QUOTE]probably 9-10%
Before and today side by side
5 foot 5 male
153.6 lbs two months ago, 139.8 lbs today
I now fit in size 28 waist Oakley shorts, comfortably not tight or loose.
[QUOTE=LIKAB0SS;1631522823]I'm 6'1, 165, 28 inch waist, calipers say I'm 2% lmao. AdamWW, I'm back, good bit leaner than last time. And I've added another 20lb to my dips and 15lb to my pull up. Remind me how I'm putting myself in mortal peril maintaining my 1300c deficit at this body fat level? Because I'm still goin strong, felling great.[/QUOTE]
Remind me why you think it’s cool to starve yourself? I go by the scientific consensus which is to not lose more than 1% of your body weight per week.
So yeah, I believe in science, and math... I guess you don’t like science ?
Oh look at me I’m hardcore derp derp derp
[QUOTE=AdamWW;1631527303]Remind me why you think it’s cool to starve yourself? I go by the scientific consensus which is to not lose more than 1% of your body weight per week.
So yeah, I believe in science, and math... I guess you don’t like science ?
Oh look at me I’m hardcore derp derp derp[/QUOTE]
I’m not losing more than a % a week. Only lost 2-3 lbs since last time. But my conditioning has improved significantly. Because I’m gaining muscle.
[QUOTE=LIKAB0SS;1631527593]I’m not losing more than a % a week. Only lost 2-3 lbs since last time. But my conditioning has improved significantly. Because I’m gaining muscle.[/QUOTE]
If you’re in a 1300 calorie deficit that means losing 2.6lb a week
2.6 is 1% of 260lbs... do you weigh 260lb?
2.6 is 1.57% of 165lb...
Are you saying you don’t think 1.57 > 1?
Who taught you math?
[QUOTE=AdamWW;1631527963]If you’re in a 1300 calorie deficit that means 2.6lb a week
2.6 is 1% of 260lbs... do you weigh 260lb?
2.6 is 1.5% of 165lb...
Are you saying you don’t think 1.5 > 1?
Who taught you math?[/QUOTE]
I’m a grad student in mathematics mate. Control theory and optimization. Protein is 4c per gram, fat is 9c per gram . Supposing my body converted enough fat to muscle it could account for the difference. If it was a mathematical certainty Kevin levrone could not have done it. And yet he did.
[QUOTE=LIKAB0SS;1631528073]Protein is 4c per gram, fat is 9c per gram . Supposing my body converted enough fat to muscle it could account for the difference. If it was a mathematical certainty Kevin levrone could not have done it. And yet he did.[/QUOTE]
Dude, wtf are you talking about?
You don’t ‘convert fat to muscle’ dumbass... completely different processes and pathways.
Muscle is made of protein and water almost entirely...
LOL
This is next level stupidity
If you’re a grad student I think you cheated on your entrance tests
[QUOTE=AdamWW;1631528153]Dude, wtf are you talking about?
You don’t ‘convert fat to muscle’ dumbass...
Muscle is made of protein and water almost entirely...
LOL
This is next level stupidity[/QUOTE]
Conversion wasn’t meant to be taken literally mate. I give my body the raw materials daily. The water the protein the etc. It burns fat and uses it to assemble said materials. The amount of mass gained per gram unit fat burn is greater than a gram. This mass gain offsets the mass loss from burning of fat from defecit. Hence why it isn’t 2.6 lb a week. If a pound of fat was burnt and used to construct energetically equivalent amount of muscle, that’d result in a net gain of 1 pound. We don’t need any magic here, my body just has to be willing to prioritize increasing my muscle mass over maintaining my fat stores, even while in a deficit. Then the math can work out. The notion that it’s possible to gain muscle on defecit or maintenance in right conditions is pretty broadly accepted.
[QUOTE=LIKAB0SS;1631528273]Conversion wasn’t meant to be taken literally mate. I give my body the raw materials daily. The water the protein the etc. It burns fat and uses it to assemble said materials. The amount of mass gained per gram unit fat burn is greater than a gram. This mass gain offsets the mass loss from burning of fat from defecit. Hence why it isn’t 2.6 lb a week. The notion that it’s possible to gain muscle on defecit or maintenance in right conditions is pretty broadly accepted[/QUOTE]
You’re seriously not getting it dude... I dunno how else to explain it, but you really don’t know what you’re talking about.
You don’t BUILD muscle from fat burning off, they are completely separate things. There is nothing about the loss of fat that contributes to the gain of muscle, it comes from what you consume.
You’re not synthesizing 100% of ingested protein into lean tissue, that doesn’t happen.
Furthermore, again, your stated deficit of 1300 calories would result in a weekly weight loss 2.6 pounds.
You are not gaining lean tissue fast enough to offset that calorie deficit via muscle gain. If you were, you’d be literally cheating the laws of biology OR you’re loading heavy amount of steroids...
This is not debatable.
Again, if you’re in a 1300 deficit, you’d lose 2.6lb a week.
Period.
End of story.
Nobody in here will deny this.
You are flat wrong.
[QUOTE=AdamWW;1631528873]You’re seriously not getting it dude... I dunno how else to explain it, but you really don’t know what you’re talking about.
You don’t BUILD muscle from fat burning off, they are completely separate things. There is nothing about the loss of fat that contributes to the gain of muscle, it comes from what you consume.
You’re not synthesizing 100% of ingested protein into lean tissue, that doesn’t happen.
Furthermore, again, your stated deficit of 1300 calories would result in a weekly weight loss 2.6 pounds.
You are not gaining lean tissue fast enough to offset that calorie deficit via muscle gain. If you were, you’d be literally cheating the laws of biology OR you’re loading heavy amount of steroids...
This is not debatable.
Again, if you’re in a 1300 deficit, you’d lose 2.6lb a week.
Period.
End of story.
Nobody in here will deny this.
You are flat wrong.[/QUOTE]
So you acknowledge this would be possible with super physiological hormone levels? Bc that’s a much weaker argument that ‘ this defies thermodynamics’. Maybe I have big ramy genetics, and that and me being detained is enough to cause this unusual phenomenon. I know how much I eat, how many miles I walk, workout, what my weight is l, what the calipers say, etc. I don’t half ass tracking this stuff. You can say ‘ no way bro’ all you want but the numbers are what they are. You can’t account for an 80lb+ gain to pull-up strength, in someone with substantial past pull-up experience by nervous system adaptation.
[QUOTE=LIKAB0SS;1631529253]So you acknowledge this would be possible with super physiological hormone levels? Bc that’s a much weaker argument that ‘ this defies thermodynamics’. Maybe I have big ramy genetics, and that and me being detained is enough to cause this unusual phenomenon. I know how much I eat, how many miles I walk, workout, what my weight is l, what the calipers say, etc. I don’t half ass tracking this stuff. You can say ‘ no way bro’ all you want but the numbers are what they are. You can’t account for an 80lb+ gain to pull-up strength, in someone with substantial past pull-up experience by nervous system adaptation.[/QUOTE]
I’m so done here.
You’re seriously off your rocker.
Jesus Christ I thought the misc was bad but you seriously take the cake...
Either you’re losing 2.6lb a week, or you’re not in a 1300 calorie deficit.
Bye
[QUOTE=AdamWW;1631529873]I’m so done here.
You’re seriously off your rocker.
Jesus Christ I thought the misc was bad but you seriously take the cake...[/QUOTE]
Nice copout.
[QUOTE=LIKAB0SS;1631529973]Nice copout.[/QUOTE]
You’re a child... I cannot have intelligent conversations with a child.
I’ve already stated every single piece of factual information and you’re still not capable of understanding the most basic concepts.
I’ll let someone else deal with your BS.
[QUOTE=AdamWW;1631530063]You’re a child... I cannot have intelligent conversations with a child.
I’ve already stated every single piece of factual information and you’re still not capable of understanding the most basic concepts.
I’ll let someone else deal with your BS.[/QUOTE]
Why aren’t you willing to consider than my body is miostatin deficient and produces 5000ng/dl of test and tons of gh naturally? Maybe I have pituitary tumor.
[QUOTE=LIKAB0SS;1631522553]17-19%[/QUOTE]
Dam worse that I thought
Pardon me for saying but this thread has seemed to have become a particularly mean and hostile place in the past week or so.
Lets just assume this thin person has an eating disorder.
And he may not, he may just be a thirteen year old kid. From his picture, it wouldn't surprise me one bit.
And lets take it off the table whether minors should be in the forum for the moment.
Bullying him into compliance isn't the answer- either way.
I posted pictures for my part, didn't even get a response- and perhaps I dodged a bullet considering how others have been treated.
[QUOTE=brianadelstein;1631795893]Pardon me for saying but this thread has become a particularly mean and hostile place in the past week or so.
Lets just assume this thin person has an eating disorder. And he may not, he may just be a ten year old kid.
And lets take it off the table whether minors should be in the forum for the moment.
Bullying him into compliance isn't the answer- either way.
I posted pictures for my part, didn't even get a response- and perhaps I dodged a bullet considering how others have been treated.[/QUOTE]
I agree
I don't want to delete posts but if I have to hack at this thread as the only way to keep it on topic I will.
[QUOTE=brianadelstein;1631795893]Pardon me for saying but this thread has seemed to have become a particularly mean and hostile place in the past week or so.
Lets just assume this thin person has an eating disorder.
And he may not, he may just be a thirteen year old kid. From his picture, it wouldn't surprise me one bit.
And lets take it off the table whether minors should be in the forum for the moment.
Bullying him into compliance isn't the answer- either way.
I posted pictures for my part, didn't even get a response- and perhaps I dodged a bullet considering how others have been treated.[/QUOTE]
Based on that photo I’d say 25% or so
[QUOTE=AdamWW;1631796653]Based on that photo I’d say 25% or so[/QUOTE]
Thanks- I just appreciate the opinion.
Left side pic or right? And if the right, what was I on left side pic?
On the left, I was 153.3 lbs at 5 foot 5.
On the right, I'm down to 139.8 lbs at 5 foot 5.
I definitely wasn't gonna say 14% for my guess for the right- I was thinking 20%;
The pics of 25% I've seen on the net show belly hanging over pants- that's not the case anymore. It's almost flat! But..
I carry fat on my lovehandles till I'm down to 132lbs typically, which is rather annoying.
The leanest I've ever been is 129, and then I just start to see my abs.
Though, I wonder since how low even that is, if I'm one of those guys that just doesn't "reveal" abs so well.
Because even then, I was doing throwdowns at the gym, weighted stuff, and hardly seemed to have any fat on me.
I mean- seriously- 129 lbs at 5 foot 5 is small! :)
And yes I'll need to lift and put on more muscle again. One challenge at a time...
[QUOTE=brianadelstein;1631798693]Thanks- I just appreciate the opinion.
Left side pic or right? And if the right, what was I on left side pic?
On the left, I was 153.3 lbs at 5 foot 5.
On the right, I'm down to 139.8 lbs at 5 foot 5.
I definitely wasn't gonna say 14% for my guess for the right- I was thinking 20%;
The pics of 25% I've seen on the net show belly hanging over pants- that's not the case anymore. It's almost flat! But..
I carry fat on my lovehandles till I'm down to 132lbs typically, which is rather annoying.
The leanest I've ever been is 129, and then I just start to see my abs.
Though, I wonder since how low even that is, if I'm one of those guys that just doesn't "reveal" abs so well.
Because even then, I was doing throwdowns at the gym, weighted stuff, and hardly seemed to have any fat on me.
I mean- seriously- 129 lbs at 5 foot 5 is small! :)
And yes I'll need to lift and put on more muscle again. One challenge at a time...[/QUOTE]
I was basing it on the right.
Of course, it’s harder to tell without certain lighting and seeing your back and legs, but I’m basing on a couple things:
- no noticeable lines on the stomach
- a small but visible bulge on the hip area which seems to be adipose
- a relative lack of muscle tone
Typically with people at 20%, you don’t see individual ab separation at all but there’s usually a central, vertical line of separation in the frontal torso. Additionally, I wouldn’t expect there to be small bulges on the hip/love handle area on the waistline.
Those aspects combined with what seems to be a lack of lean tissue, and I just think it’s likely closer to 25%.
It sounds high but consider this: in my avatar I weighed 143lb, and I was about 9-10% BF.
I’m 6 feet tall, which means that would have me at about 129lb of lean weight at my height.
If you adjust down even 5lb of lean weight per inch in height to match you, that’d be UNDER 100lb of lean weight for my body in my avi if I was 5-5.
So really, I’m actually saying you have possibly MORE lean tissue weight than I do/did... relative to height
Never underestimate how significant small changes in muscle mass can make... it really does change your appearance a lot.
[QUOTE=AdamWW;1631802853]I was basing it on the right.
Of course, it’s harder to tell without certain lighting and seeing your back and legs, but I’m basing on a couple things:
- no noticeable lines on the stomach
- a small but visible bulge on the hip area which seems to be adipose
- a relative lack of muscle tone
Typically with people at 20%, you don’t see individual ab separation at all but there’s usually a central, vertical line of separation in the frontal torso. Additionally, I wouldn’t expect there to be small bulges on the hip/love handle area on the waistline.
Those aspects combined with what seems to be a lack of lean tissue, and I just think it’s likely closer to 25%.
It sounds high but consider this: in my avatar I weighed 143lb, and I was about 9-10% BF.
I’m 6 feet tall, which means that would have me at about 129lb of lean weight at my height.
If you adjust down even 5lb of lean weight per inch in height to match you, that’d be UNDER 100lb of lean weight for my body in my avi if I was 5-5.
So really, I’m actually saying you have possibly MORE lean tissue weight than I do/did... relative to height
Never underestimate how significant small changes in muscle mass can make... it really does change your appearance a lot.[/QUOTE]
Thanks. Yeah it's tough to say what my lean mass is right now without a formal test, and I've been in cut mode since December.
The new attached pic is me at my lowest pretty much. I don't think that center line really came in, but I'm also 129-132 lbs here at most and, dude, the 20 percent guys in the pics I see on the net look doughy and still have that ab line and I dont, nor do I have that center abs line.
[QUOTE=brianadelstein;1631809893]Thanks. Yeah it's tough to say what my lean mass is right now without a formal test, and I've been in cut mode since December.
The new attached pic is me at my lowest pretty much. I don't think that center line really came in, but I'm also 129-132 lbs here at most and, dude, the 20 percent guys in the pics I see on the net look doughy and still have that ab line and I dont, nor do I have that center abs line.[/QUOTE]
You're closer to 20% in that pic, could be 18-20%, but in that range I think.
Im not sure what references you're using for the "20% dudes", but almost EVERYONE underestimates their BF%...
As a general reference, here are examples of what I see at various ranges in 10%-20%
~10%. [B]All abs visible with clear, defined lines of separation, vascularity present, skin not 'thin' but also not showing any clear signs of fat deposition while upright[/B]
[img]https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/male-abs-closeup-sexy-torso-showing-muscular-lean-abdominals-chest-tan-caucasian-man-white-towel-wrapped-around-53795823.jpg[/img]
~14-15% [B]Most/all abs visible, but lines aren't sharply 'defined', instead you can see shadows of abs, not much vascularity, and there is clearly a small amount of fat under the skin[/B]
[img]https://omg.blog/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Screen-Shot-2018-03-29-at-9.21.19-AM.png[/img]
~18-20% [B]Abs almost or entirely gone, but still SOME outline of oblique or abs still noticeable here and there. No vascularity, especially in the ab region, and fat is obviously covering lines of separation. There is no 'bulging' of the stomach fat, but it appears smooth and somewhat 'softer'[/B]
[img]https://imagesvc.meredithcorp.io/v3/mm/image?q=85&c=sc&poi=face&w=1368&h=1824&url=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.onecms.io%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fsites%2F14%2F2016%2F11%2F10%2F111016-scott-eastwood-shirtless-1-2000.jpg[/img]
Hi guys I’m 6,1 178.2 pounds 19 years old.. can you please estimate my body fat trying to get a bit more leaner for the beach... cutting on 2300 calories and losing 1-2 pounds a week.. thank you so much any advice would be appreciated :) (pictures are in my gallery photos )
23 years old, 5'6 (168cm), 175 lbs (79kg). I am flexing
[QUOTE=sethiayush12;1631951273]Hi guys I’m 6,1 178.2 pounds 19 years old.. can you please estimate my body fat trying to get a bit more leaner for the beach... cutting on 2300 calories and losing 1-2 pounds a week.. thank you so much any advice would be appreciated :) (pictures are in my gallery photos )[/QUOTE]
Didn’t we give you estimates like a week ago?
[QUOTE=HorseyMD;1631953703]23 years old, 5'6 (168cm), 175 lbs (79kg). I am flexing[/QUOTE]
About 23%
[QUOTE=AdamWW;1631955243]Didn’t we give you estimates like a week ago?[/QUOTE]
I’m pretty sure it’s been 3 or more months since I have come back for another estimate...
5 ft 8 in
156 lbs
estimate please?
[QUOTE=sethiayush12;1631955553]I’m pretty sure it’s been 3 or more months since I have come back for another estimate...[/QUOTE]
Looks around 15% to me
[QUOTE=Pel10;1631963433]5 ft 8 in
156 lbs
estimate please?[/QUOTE]
About 22%
[QUOTE=AdamWW;1631966653]About 22%[/QUOTE]
how many more lbs to lose until abs are visible?
[QUOTE=Pel10;1631968843]how many more lbs to lose until abs are visible?[/QUOTE]
I mean, I don't know, it depends on your genetics...
And it depends what you mean by 'visible'... do you mean having a lean 6 pack, or just seeing the shadow of abs?
Either way it's kind of pointless to estimate... just lose fat until you're happy.
[QUOTE=AdamWW;1631983523]I mean, I don't know, it depends on your genetics...
And it depends what you mean by 'visible'... do you mean having a lean 6 pack, or just seeing the shadow of abs?
Either way it's kind of pointless to estimate... just lose fat until you're happy.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I mean having a full 6 pack
[QUOTE=Pel10;1632023003]Yeah, I mean having a full 6 pack[/QUOTE]
What does 'full' six pack mean
What is 'full'?
Some people can see outlines of all 6 abs at like 17%...
Others don't see much of anything until they're under 14-15%
Heck, some people's insertions only really show a 4-pack no matter how lean they are
[QUOTE=AdamWW;1632056833]What does 'full' six pack mean
What is 'full'?
Some people can see outlines of all 6 abs at like 17%...
Others don't see much of anything until they're under 14-15%
Heck, some people's insertions only really show a 4-pack no matter how lean they are[/QUOTE]
So that means my abs might be more visible at 17% but no guarantee because people have different genetics.
However they should be visible once I get to 14%, no matter if 4 pack or 6 pack