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[QUOTE=neuron;403894931]I'm currently running X-Factor Advanced and I am dosing it: 4 caps pre-workout, and 2 caps/day on non-workout days. If I had another bottle I'd probably dose it 4/caps day.
Similarly, if I had the older formula, I'd dose it 8caps pre-workout and 4 caps/day on non-workout days.
The vasodilation from ArA is great, which makes dosing it pre-workout even more lucrative. I'm using this with Presurge and getting wicked pumps that are second to none from my supplementation experience.[/QUOTE]
So your pre-workout dosing helps with pumps but is close enough to the workout to gain the benefits of intra-workout supplementation with regards to skeletal muscle? How long pre-workout are you taking it?
I am taking 4 a day of the old formula and based on your previous posts I was taking them intra-workout. Sorry if I am missing something...
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[QUOTE=Ckhapa;403929831]So your pre-workout dosing helps with pumps but is close enough to the workout to gain the benefits of intra-workout supplementation with regards to skeletal muscle? How long pre-workout are you taking it?
I am taking 4 a day of the old formula and based on your previous posts I was taking them intra-workout. Sorry if I am missing something...[/QUOTE]
45-60 min.
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This question is based on what I had previously asked, but, when you "run" x factor, do you tend to avoid intra workout drinks?
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[QUOTE=papagunz;404617591]This question is based on what I had previously asked, but, when you "run" x factor, do you tend to avoid intra workout drinks?[/QUOTE]
I did not. BCAA is good I think. Avoid things that reduce inflamation since this is how xfactor works
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[QUOTE=Mfusick;404638981]I did not. BCAA is good I think. Avoid things that reduce inflamation since this is how xfactor works[/QUOTE]
It's not the inflammation factor that I'm curious about, it's the insulinogenic factor/minimizing AA delivery to skeletal muscle. I just was wondering if neuron sticks to pre/post workout nutrition when on xf or still takes things such as bcaa/hydrowhey/leucine during his workouts.
More along the lines of, is maximizing AA delivery to skeletal muscle more important than remaining anabolic/anti-catabolic throughout the workout. Personally, I just started XF and I'm avoiding intra workout products, but since neuron is effin smart as ****, I was very inclined to know his protocol.
EDIT: had my first workout today dosing 1.5 grams bulk AA preworkout with 7 caps of presurge and an addition 2 grams of GMS. All I can say is holy ****ing pump balls batman.
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[QUOTE=papagunz;404662511]It's not the inflammation factor that I'm curious about, it's the insulinogenic factor/minimizing AA delivery to skeletal muscle. I just was wondering if neuron sticks to pre/post workout nutrition when on xf or still takes things such as bcaa/hydrowhey/leucine during his workouts.
More along the lines of, is maximizing AA delivery to skeletal muscle more important than remaining anabolic/anti-catabolic throughout the workout. Personally, I just started XF and I'm avoiding intra workout products, but since neuron is effin smart as ****, I was very inclined to know his protocol.
EDIT: had my first workout today dosing 1.5 grams bulk AA preworkout with 7 caps of presurge and an addition 2 grams of GMS. All I can say is holy ****ing pump balls batman.[/QUOTE]
Although it would be ideal, insulin takes a backseat while working out regardless as to what nutrient you are putting in your body.
For the sake of brevity, when working out, the body builds up metabolites which [i]act[/i] as chemokines in regulating the energetic environment. The reason [i]why[/i] LPL is turned on with glucagon in skeletal muscle during exercise is just a function of necessity.
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[QUOTE=papagunz;404662511]It's not the inflammation factor that I'm curious about, it's the insulinogenic factor/minimizing AA delivery to skeletal muscle. I just was wondering if neuron sticks to pre/post workout nutrition when on xf or still takes things such as bcaa/hydrowhey/leucine during his workouts.
More along the lines of, is maximizing AA delivery to skeletal muscle more important than remaining anabolic/anti-catabolic throughout the workout. [/QUOTE]
You're using your head though.
Great feedback. Let's keep this up.
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[QUOTE=papagunz;404617591]This question is based on what I had previously asked, but, when you "run" x factor, do you tend to avoid intra workout drinks?[/QUOTE]
While I more than appreciate the thought provoking reply (which I will indeed chew on and think about), let's see if I can't just get a straight answer to this question. ;)
edit: here I'll try to earn it then I guess
My guess is that for the first 1-2 weeks, it would be a good idea to avoid intra workout products to maximize AA "saturation", and after that the effects of a few insulinogenic aminos/peptides during a workout will be a [i]mostly[/i] moot point and not noticeably mitigate AA's moa since "saturation" is hit and now being "maintained". I will be honest though, I know very little about fat uptake into muscle cells hence all of the terms in "quotations", but this is my best guess at the moment.
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[QUOTE=papagunz;404692031]While I more than appreciate the thought provoking reply (which I will indeed chew on and think about), let's see if I can't just get a straight answer to this question. ;)[/QUOTE]
No, don't avoid them. They won't stimulate insulin [i]while[/i] working out, so they are fine.
What they will do is provide substrate and perhaps blunt proteolysis; which is the ultimate goal. PostWO is when insulin becomes relevant.
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wow great thread, thankfully im only 12 days in and caught this topic
from reading the thread my new dosing will be
-4 caps ArA empty stomach before breakfest(or a meal) (perhaps with my other stuff like creatine, multi, activate xtreme?)
-wait 1/1.5hour - 4 caps ArA
-wait 30minutes- take a preworkout shake (carbs and protein)
-then off to the gym.
hate to bother but, am i on the right track guys?
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[QUOTE=neuron;404693881]No, don't avoid them. They won't stimulate insulin [i]while[/i] working out, so they are fine.
What they will do is provide substrate and perhaps blunt proteolysis; which is the ultimate goal. PostWO is when insulin becomes relevant.[/QUOTE]
So what's you opinion about ara on non workout day. When is the optimum time for its intake?
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[QUOTE=whosane;404792111]So what's you opinion about ara on non workout day. When is the optimum time for its intake?[/QUOTE]
It was posted twice. Empty stomach.. not with insulin spike.
Perhaps upon waking.. 2 caps. Then two caps in afternoon 60 minutes before and after a meal
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[QUOTE=neuron;404687131]Great feedback. Let's keep this up.[/QUOTE]
Day 2 Feedback/ Legs + Abs:
Preworkout: 1 scoop Mesomorph, 3-4 grams GMS, 1 gram AA
Oh my god. Second day on XF and this **** is getting nuts. The only difference is the inclusion of AA, and it's made a huge difference as compared to pumps/fullness with the Meso/GMS.
My current setup is/will be:
3 days/week @ 1.5g AA pre workout
1 day/week @ 1g AA pre workout
3 days/week @ .5g AA upon waking
This leaves me to dose it less on leg day (so I can walk, which was hard enough today). Will report back. So far, I feel like I am already on week 2 (pumps/fullness wise) as compared to the last time I ran XF (when I took it with meals).
Addendum: I seem to be hungrier already. Seriously.
BIG THANKS to neuron for sharing this dosing insight. I'd say based on my initial experience, the science behind it is dead on.
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[QUOTE=whosane;404792111]So what's you opinion about ara on non workout day. When is the optimum time for its intake?[/QUOTE]
Supplementing with ArA is a little different on non-workout days due to the fact that it needs to be properly emulsified. It's OK to spread it out throughout the day [i]with[/i] food.
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[QUOTE=papagunz;405154851]Oh my god. Second day on XF and this **** is getting nuts. The only difference is the inclusion of AA, and it's made a huge difference as compared to pumps/fullness with the Meso/GMS.
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Nice. GMS is also a very nice emulsive agent, and so will expediate proper absorption.
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[QUOTE=neuron;406004711]Supplementing with ArA is a little different on non-workout days due to the fact that it needs to be properly emulsified. It's OK to spread it out throughout the day [i]with[/i] food.[/QUOTE]
Would the ideal be a low insulin time with a little GMS? I'm thinking pre breakfast (30+ mins) with like, 2 grams of GMS.
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[QUOTE=papagunz;406318501]Would the ideal be a low insulin time with a little GMS? I'm thinking pre breakfast (30+ mins) with like, 2 grams of GMS.[/QUOTE]
Sounds good. Let us know how it goes.
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[QUOTE=neuron;403894931]I'm currently running X-Factor Advanced and I am dosing it: 4 caps pre-workout, and 2 caps/day on non-workout days. If I had another bottle I'd probably dose it 4/caps day.
Similarly, if I had the older formula, I'd dose it 8caps pre-workout and 4 caps/day on non-workout days.
The vasodilation from ArA is great, which makes dosing it pre-workout even more lucrative. I'm using this with Presurge and getting wicked pumps that are second to none from my supplementation experience.[/QUOTE]
If I were to dose the old formula this way, how long should I run it for?
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[QUOTE=loucurley;410293031]If I were to dose the old formula this way, how long should I run it for?[/QUOTE]
2 bottles: ~ 25-30 days
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[QUOTE=neuron;410294051]2 bottles: ~ 25-30 days[/QUOTE]
Thanks. I'll try that.
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Glad I found this thread- I will be starting my second cycle of Xfactor March 1st.
Wish I knew this all before my first cycle.
Going to do 75 days @ 1500mg this time.
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Great product imo.
Used the pre-workout dosage as well.
Gained a lot of size and strength on my legs.
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[QUOTE=neuron;406005331]Nice. GMS is also a very nice emulsive agent, and so will expediate proper absorption.[/QUOTE]
so PRE WORKOUT with perhaps some GLYCERGROW would be a good option ??
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Just bumping this, appreciate the breakdown, lot of good content in here.
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[QUOTE=LOWTESTOSTERONE;436987991]so PRE WORKOUT with perhaps some GLYCERGROW would be a good option ??[/QUOTE]
???
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I still seem to be pretty perplexed as to why people still supplement with arachidonic acid.
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[QUOTE=MJ1331;445916011]I still seem to be pretty perplexed as to why people still supplement with arachidonic acid.[/QUOTE]
??? Why???
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[QUOTE=LOWTESTOSTERONE;446171461]??? Why???[/QUOTE]
Arachidonic acid starts the acute/chronic inflammation pathways. Pathologically speaking, it's dumb.
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I'm still a bit confused. It looks like taking 10g preworkout is best?
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[QUOTE=UWBodybuilding;461859381]I'm still a bit confused. It looks like taking 10g preworkout is best?[/QUOTE]
10grams? of Ara?
No... 1000mg pre workout (4 caps) you could run 1250mg or 1500mg per day if you wanted to push it... I would run 3 caps AM when waking up... and 3 caps pre-workout in that case.
If your running 4 caps per day... do like 1 or 2 in AM and then 1 or 2 pre workout