Bearing in mind the compensation a team would need to give up to trade for him, where could Rodgers go that gives him a better shot at winning?
If they could trade for Julio Jones, they would become the most stacked offense in the league
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Bearing in mind the compensation a team would need to give up to trade for him, where could Rodgers go that gives him a better shot at winning?
If they could trade for Julio Jones, they would become the most stacked offense in the league
[QUOTE=LukeS1;1637716763]Bearing in mind the compensation a team would need to give up to trade for him, where could Rodgers go that gives him a better shot at winning?
If they could trade for Julio Jones, they would become the most stacked offense in the league[/QUOTE]
Denver. Young, under-rated defense with a defensive minded coach + a ton of young talented offensive weapons.
[QUOTE=JUGGERNAUT1333;1637718863]Denver. Young, under-rated defense with a defensive minded coach + a ton of young talented offensive weapons.[/QUOTE]
He had the #2 ranked oline last year even with Bakh injured, and with Adams and Jones I cant see Denver being a better offense
If Chubb and Von Miller stay healthy Denver will be scary defensively though I agree
[QUOTE=LukeS1;1637719553]He had the #2 ranked oline last year even with Bakh injured, and with Adams and Jones I cant see Denver being a better offense
If Chubb and Von Miller stay healthy Denver will be scary defensively though I agree[/QUOTE]
Not sure if SRS. Denver is loaded with weapons. Sutton, Jeudy, Hamler, Fant, Gordon and they added Javonte Williams in the draft. Denver absolutely has more talent on offense. Offensive line, yeah GB has an advantage, but skill positions, it isn't even close. Adams and Jones are the entire show in GB.
[QUOTE=LukeS1;1637716763]Bearing in mind the compensation a team would need to give up to trade for him, where could Rodgers go that gives him a better shot at winning?
If they could trade for Julio Jones, they would become the most stacked offense in the league[/QUOTE]
the julio jones trade talk was created by the media. The chances of Julio being traded are below 20% unless a team gives a kings ransom, so I wouldn't count on it.
[QUOTE=drvillain;1637720253]the julio jones trade talk was created by the media. The chances of Julio being traded are below 20% unless a team gives a kings ransom, so I wouldn't count on it.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I agree. With them drafting Pitts it's clear they are still trying to win now. Trading Julio after drafting Pitts makes no sense when they had a chance to get a QB.
[QUOTE=JUGGERNAUT1333;1637720063]Not sure if SRS. Denver is loaded with weapons. Sutton, Jeudy, Hamler, Fant, Gordon and they added Javonte Williams in the draft. Denver absolutely has more talent on offense. Offensive line, yeah GB has an advantage, but skill positions, it isn't even close. Adams and Jones are the entire show in GB.[/QUOTE]
As a football fan a Mahomes v Rodgers v Herbert matchup in the AFC West twice a year would be jooocy af too
As a Chiefs fan tho it brings me more joy watching Denver squander all that talent with Lock and Bridgewater
[QUOTE=JUGGERNAUT1333;1637720063]Not sure if SRS. Denver is loaded with weapons. Sutton, Jeudy, Hamler, Fant, Gordon and they added Javonte Williams in the draft. Denver absolutely has more talent on offense. Offensive line, yeah GB has an advantage, but skill positions, it isn't even close. Adams and Jones are the entire show in GB.[/QUOTE]
I agree Denver has more depth of weapons, I really like Fant.
Green Bay has a better platform though, probably the best Oline in the league, a top 3 WR, a very solid back who is also well rounded in the passing game. All they need is one or two complimentary receivers, and thats an easy fix. Maybe even Amari Rodgers is that guy
[QUOTE=drvillain;1637720253]the julio jones trade talk was created by the media. The chances of Julio being traded are below 20% unless a team gives a kings ransom, so I wouldn't count on it.[/QUOTE]
Thats what Green Bay should be doing though, even if it cost them a 2022 1st rounder they might as well go all in and try win a Super Bowl with what years Rodgers has left. They could also trade Love to recoup at least a 2nd
I know they wont though, their front office isnt aggressive enough
[QUOTE=LukeS1;1637721403]I agree Denver has more depth of weapons, I really like Fant.
Green Bay has a better platform though, probably the best Oline in the league, a top 3 WR, a very solid back who is also well rounded in the passing game. All they need is one or two complimentary receivers, and thats an easy fix. Maybe even Amari Rodgers is that guy[/QUOTE]
It is an easy fix, but GB refuse to add serious WR or TE help for Rodgers. They drafted Jordan Love instead of adding a playmaker for Rodgers. IMO he has every reason to be pissed with the organization on that one. So while the issue can be fixed, history shows the front office does not put any value on WRs or TEs
[QUOTE=JUGGERNAUT1333;1637721573]It is an easy fix, but GB refuse to add serious WR or TE help for Rodgers. They drafted Jordan Love instead of adding a playmaker for Rodgers. IMO he has every reason to be pissed with the organization on that one. So while the issue can be fixed, history shows the front office does not put any value on WRs or TEs[/QUOTE]
For sure the Love pick is well documented but its more than that, its the exact time they should be going all in rather than trying to semi rebuild for a smooth transition. They should have backloaded some contracts and gone for some ring chasing free agents like Watt
[QUOTE=LukeS1;1637724063]For sure the Love pick is well documented but its more than that, its the exact time they should be going all in rather than trying to semi rebuild for a smooth transition. They should have backloaded some contracts and gone for some ring chasing free agents like Watt[/QUOTE]
I fully agree -
But my point is GB won't do it, hence why Rodgers would be better off elsewhere to capitalize on his last few years.
[QUOTE=JUGGERNAUT1333;1637724333]I fully agree -
But my point is GB won't do it, hence why Rodgers would be better off elsewhere to capitalize on his last few years.[/QUOTE]
Yeh I agree thats his best option, just feels like there arent any home run landing spots for him like Brady found in Tampa. I dont see Denver at that level, particularly given GB might ask for a piece like Jeudy in a trade
San Francisco was probably the best bet pre draft, that seems unlikely now
Packers are about to be in cap HELL the next season. Basically we'd have to restructure Rodgers contract in order to be even remotely competitive, and the organization sounds like they aren't down to fully do tat because they don't wanna admit Love was a mistake.
Makes sense from a Rodgers perspective to move on to a team who would have cap space to be competitive past this year. Davante posted a tweet yesterday saying "you never appreciate something until it's gone" and it wouldn't shock me if he doesn't sign a contract with the team either. This year is his last year and I don't know if GB could even afford the franchise tag on him without moving a bunch of moving parts. Tae and Rodgers both could potentially be on the move
Rodgers liked that Adams tweet too. If Rodgers leaves, Adams is definitely gone after this year.
[QUOTE=ohiostate124;1637728333]Rodgers liked that Adams tweet too. If Rodgers leaves, Adams is definitely gone after this year.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't make sense for Adams to stay and rebuild with a QB in Love. His goal is to make a ton of cash and to potentially make the HOF.. that last goal ain't gonna happen with Love. He probably sees in practice what he could have in Love and he ain't down for it
[QUOTE=LukeS1;1637721403]I agree Denver has more depth of weapons, I really like Fant.
Green Bay has a better platform though, probably the best Oline in the league, a top 3 WR, a very solid back who is also well rounded in the passing game. All they need is one or two complimentary receivers, and thats an easy fix. Maybe even Amari Rodgers is that guy[/QUOTE]
That’s the entire problem though.. the packers have been a few pieces away from another Super Bowl for years, and this was initially squandered away by terrible coaching, drafting, and no interest in fee agency.
A new regime came in, and after going to the nfc championship game, instead of going all in... they draft a backup QB, a third string rb, a backup hybrid te/hb... their d was just shredded by the niners and they did nothing to beef up the d line or ILB group. They made it clear they were building for the future... while doing just enough to stay reasonably competitive today. This is compounded by the fact that they refused to give Rodgers a contract extension committing to him for the next 3+ years.
If you are an MVP QB with 3-5 years left... do you want year to year contracts and a team that refuses to go all in to give you the talent to win another sb?
The packers front office tried to thread a needle and failed. It’s on them.
[QUOTE=rampagefc77;1637729503]That’s the entire problem though.. the packers have been a few pieces away from another Super Bowl for years, and this was initially squandered away by terrible coaching, drafting, and no interest in fee agency.
A new regime came in, and after going to the nfc championship game, instead of going all in... they draft a backup QB, a third string rb, a backup hybrid te/hb... their d was just shredded by the niners and they did nothing to beef up the d line or ILB group. They made it clear they were building for the future... while doing just enough to stay reasonably competitive today. This is compounded by the fact that they refused to give Rodgers a contract extension committing to him for the next 3+ years.
If you are an MVP QB with 3-5 years left... do you want year to year contracts and a team that refuses to go all in to give you the talent to win another sb?
The packers front office tried to thread a needle and failed. It’s on them.[/QUOTE]
Agree this sums it up well
Maybe the fact that they perfectly bounced from one HoF Quarterback to another and therefore have been at least an outside contender for about 30 straight years, in that they feel a pressure to maintain that. Contrast that with Tampa Bay who have had a tough run, they know right now is their shot with Brady and are going all in
I'd rather make myself a top 3 contender for a couple years then a top 10-12 outsider for a decade, I feel like the former is more likely to yield a ring
[QUOTE=LukeS1;1637729833]Agree this sums it up well
Maybe the fact that they perfectly bounced from one HoF Quarterback to another and therefore have been at least an outside contender for about 30 straight years, in that they feel a pressure to maintain that. Contrast that with Tampa Bay who have had a tough run, they know right now is their shot with Brady and are going all in
I'd rather make myself a top 3 contender for a couple years then a top 10-12 outsider for a decade, I feel like the former is more likely to yield a ring[/QUOTE]
Yep. I think GB thinks they can pull off another Favre to Rodgers transition. This is extremely unlikely. The odds of hitting on back to back solid starting QBS isn't high to begin with, hitting on back to back Hall of Fame QBs almost never happens. Packers had a luxury very few teams have had.
They should have prepared to go all in for twilight years, but like mentioned before, they are not in a good place financially.
[QUOTE=JUGGERNAUT1333;1637731493]Yep. I think GB thinks they can pull off another Favre to Rodgers transition. This is extremely unlikely. The odds of hitting on back to back solid starting QBS isn't high to begin with, hitting on back to back Hall of Fame QBs almost never happens. Packers had a luxury very few teams have had.
They should have prepared to go all in for twilight years, but like mentioned before, they are not in a good place financially.[/QUOTE]
The problem for the packers is Favre waffles on retirement for years and his play declined. He threw 29 ints in a season toward the end...
Rodgers has been clear he wants to play into his 40s and just won mvp.
It was a no brainer to draft a qb during the end of favres run... it was the dumbest thing ever to draft love.
[QUOTE=rampagefc77;1637739263]The problem for the packers is Favre waffles on retirement for years and his play declined. He threw 29 ints in a season toward the end...
Rodgers has been clear he wants to play into his 40s and just won mvp.
It was a no brainer to draft a qb during the end of favres run... it was the dumbest thing ever to draft love.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't make sense on multiple fronts. The reason why you want a young QB is because of the contract as well. Able to surround him with top level talent. Rodgers and Love's contract was always going to get in the way of one another unless Rodgers fell off a cliff.
Packers bet on that and lost HARD
[QUOTE=Jaydawg08;1637739533]Doesn't make sense on multiple fronts. The reason why you want a young QB is because of the contract as well. Able to surround him with top level talent. Rodgers and Love's contract was always going to get in the way of one another unless Rodgers fell off a cliff.
Packers bet on that and lost HARD[/QUOTE]
New gm wants to build his own team. As long as Rodgers is there, the last regime will get some credit for any success.
Rodgers is just speeding up the timeline and making them choose— all in with me or I’m out.
It’s almost as if the packers are trying to date 2 girls at once and expect everyone to be happy with the arrangement...
[QUOTE=Jaydawg08;1637739533]Doesn't make sense on multiple fronts. The reason why you want a young QB is because of the contract as well. Able to surround him with top level talent. Rodgers and Love's contract was always going to get in the way of one another unless Rodgers fell off a cliff.
Packers bet on that and lost HARD[/QUOTE]
Thats a good point, Rodgers is likely to retire just as Love's rookie deal expires.
Its an L for all parties, Jordon Love deserves a shot to try be a starter somewhere
[QUOTE=JUGGERNAUT1333;1637718863]Denver. Young, under-rated defense with a defensive minded coach + a ton of young talented offensive weapons.[/QUOTE]
Just lost their left tackle to an ACL. Big oof.
[QUOTE=AMeyer9;1637863373]Just lost their left tackle to an ACL. Big oof.[/QUOTE]
Bahktiari is going to miss some of the year with an acl for GB as well. Who knows if he will be the same when he comes back.
[QUOTE=LukeS1;1637721403]I agree Denver has more depth of weapons, I really like Fant.
Green Bay has a better platform though, probably the best Oline in the league, a top 3 WR, a very solid back who is also well rounded in the passing game. All they need is one or two complimentary receivers, and thats an easy fix. Maybe even Amari Rodgers is that guy[/QUOTE]
Why would they need more receivers, they led the league scoring. Rarely does leading the league in offense win Super Bowls.
[QUOTE=Orlando1234977;1637880013]Why would they need more receivers, they led the league scoring. Rarely does leading the league in offense win Super Bowls.[/QUOTE]
Why did the Ravens need more receivers? They have led the league in scoring since Lamar was a starter
More depth of wideouts might have meant they didnt come up short in that key drive against Tampa. Defense needs fixing more, but some more weapons to free up Davante would be big against the better teams
[QUOTE=Orlando1234977;1637880013]Why would they need more receivers, they led the league scoring. Rarely does leading the league in offense win Super Bowls.[/QUOTE]
Aside from Adams, the packers have the worst group of receivers in the league. They got lucky with a decent undrafted TE and late round RB picks who turned out to be decent in their scheme. The lack of talent was abundantly clear under McCarthy, whose scheme relied on talent for receivers to get open. That worked when they had Jennings, Nelson, Cobb, jones, driver and Finley... it stopped working when they had Janis and Aberderis...
Lafleurs scheme does a decent job of hiding how terrible the offense is, but against elite defenses like Tampa, you can see how bad it is.
Packers had a chance to trade for a legit #2 at the trade deadline and refused. Last draft they had a chance to reload the offense and defense, and instead, drafted Rodgers replacement and a bunch of players who couldn’t help the team out immediately. They are simultaneously trying to patch together a decent team that Rodgers can carry, while also building for the future under love. You can’t do both... Rodgers is rightfully pissed that they are wasting his final years while other teams are going all in for their qbs.
This isn’t hard to understand.
[quote]DP: "You chose to break the [Rodgers] news on Draft Day?"
Schefter: "That is absolutely accurate, correct. It was nothing that morning that came in that all of a sudden said to me yeah he wants out, you should report this... It was just an accumulation of information"[/quote]
[url]https://twitter.com/dpshow/status/1390324790431469568[/url]
Lol so apparently Shefter just accumulated the information and he himself decided to bring this up the day of the draft
[QUOTE=rampagefc77;1637895533]Aside from Adams, the packers have the worst group of receivers in the league. They got lucky with a decent undrafted TE and late round RB picks who turned out to be decent in their scheme. The lack of talent was abundantly clear under McCarthy, whose scheme relied on talent for receivers to get open. That worked when they had Jennings, Nelson, Cobb, jones, driver and Finley... it stopped working when they had Janis and Aberderis...
Lafleurs scheme does a decent job of hiding how terrible the offense is, but against elite defenses like Tampa, you can see how bad it is.
Packers had a chance to trade for a legit #2 at the trade deadline and refused. Last draft they had a chance to reload the offense and defense, and instead, drafted Rodgers replacement and a bunch of players who couldn’t help the team out immediately. They are simultaneously trying to patch together a decent team that Rodgers can carry, while also building for the future under love. You can’t do both... Rodgers is rightfully pissed that they are wasting his final years while other teams are going all in for their qbs.
This isn’t hard to understand.[/QUOTE]
hearing how much of a grudge holding person Rodgers is I cannot see how this gets resolved. Either the pack sallow their pride and trade him and time to prove if Love can do it or they hold their ground and make him retire and still prove if Love can do it. which seems like a double edged sword since they can get a haul for Rodgers for the future. But my friend brought up a good point that if the packers knew love was the guy or could be they wouldn't hesitate to trade rodgers but they either know he isnt ready or they know they fuked that pick up, and they traded into the first round to get him which is even more funny to me