How do you know you have worked out your muscle enough?

Do you guys work out until lets say your biceps hurt so much that you can't lift anything or what? How do you know you have worked out enough?

No I just do however much is on my program. Do you use a program? Do you need one? Make sure you're only working them once a week if you've been training for a while, twice a week maximum if you're a newbie.

Bignbuff

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by bignbuff [/i]
[B]No I just do however much is on my program. Do you use a program? Do you need one? Make sure you're only working them once a week if you've been training for a while, twice a week maximum if you're a newbie.

Bignbuff [/B][/QUOTE]

I'm a newbie but I still only do them once. I do need a program. Only thing is i'm 180 lbs and 20% body fat so I need some things that are not extremely hard (for example I can not do dips......and at max I can do 3 chin ups)
Rick

I can tell I've worked them enough when I feel they are fatigued, kinda hard to explain but they(muslce) are weaker and it feels weird.

You don't need to do exercises like chins, dips, squats,deads etc.. to begin with. See them as something to aim for as you progress, stick with basic moves, but ones which are safer.

Maybe try something like this to begin with.

mon Legs legpress/leg extension/leg curl/calf raises
tues Chest/shoulders bench press(everyone wants to)/incline dumbell press/dumbell shoulder press/side laterals
weds off
thurs Back wide grip pulldown/seated row/shrugs/hyper extensions
fri Arms/abs tricep pushdowns/barbell curls/wrist curls/crunches
take the weekend off for a well earned rest, maybe do a bit of cardio.

Do 3 sets of about 10 reps to start with on each exercise. As you progress and I'm sure you will, add in different exercises and see what works for you.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by BRIT_BEEF [/i]
[B]You don't need to do exercises like chins, dips, squats,deads etc.. to begin with. See them as something to aim for as you progress, stick with basic moves, but ones which are safer.

Maybe try something like this to begin with.

mon Legs legpress/leg extension/leg curl/calf raises
tues Chest/shoulders bench press(everyone wants to)/incline dumbell press/dumbell shoulder press/side laterals
weds off
thurs Back wide grip pulldown/seated row/shrugs/hyper extensions
fri Arms/abs tricep pushdowns/barbell curls/wrist curls/crunches
take the weekend off for a well earned rest, maybe do a bit of cardio.

Do 3 sets of about 10 reps to start with on each exercise. As you progress and I'm sure you will, add in different exercises and see what works for you. [/B][/QUOTE]
I disagree, I think he should stick to the mass building movements to begin with in order to get some core strength. Some good excercises include

Squats
Deadlifts(if you have a weak lower back, I suggest you start with hyperextensions)
Dips
Pullups
Calf Raises
Barbell Curls
Skullcrushers
Bench Press

Search for full body routines and find one that you think will suit you well, then post it and we'll give our opinion. Same thing goes if you wanna do a split.

Good luck.

Bignbuff

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ws6ta [/i]
[B]I'm a newbie but I still only do them once. I do need a program. Only thing is i'm 180 lbs and 20% body fat so I need some things that are not extremely hard (for example I can not do dips......and at max I can do 3 chin ups)
Rick [/B][/QUOTE]

You need exercises you can do for your biceps right? This is what the post was about so i assume also since you need something other then chinups too its biceps. Some good exercises you can do are:

Standing:
Barbell curls
Hammer curls
alternating curls

Seated:
Incline curls
preacher curls

If you need help pulling together a split, just post.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by BRIT_BEEF [/i]
[B]You don't need to do exercises like chins, dips, squats,deads etc.. to begin with. See them as something to aim for as you progress, stick with basic moves, but ones which are safer.

Maybe try something like this to begin with.

mon Legs legpress/leg extension/leg curl/calf raises
tues Chest/shoulders bench press(everyone wants to)/incline dumbell press/dumbell shoulder press/side laterals
weds off
thurs Back wide grip pulldown/seated row/shrugs/hyper extensions
fri Arms/abs tricep pushdowns/barbell curls/wrist curls/crunches
take the weekend off for a well earned rest, maybe do a bit of cardio.

Do 3 sets of about 10 reps to start with on each exercise. As you progress and I'm sure you will, add in different exercises and see what works for you. [/B][/QUOTE]

WTF???????????

IMO i think you should start off with a full body split and do it twice a week..focus your workouts around these exercises...

Bench Press
Deadlifts
Chins
Dips
Military Press
Squats

Start of with light weights then when your comfortable withthe weight you can start adding...stick to the 5-8 rep range...