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[QUOTE=Berries1;1683592093]What Pogacar is doing is even better. Merckx never had to come up against such specialists as Pog does.[/QUOTE]
pls go
maybe in 10 years you can make that statement (doubt it) but now you sound like an edgelord tbh
competition in Merckx' days was tight as well, not even sure what you're trying to say here
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[QUOTE=Berries1;1683592093]What Pogacar is doing is even better. Merckx never had to come up against such specialists as Pog does.[/QUOTE]
Lmao brah what a foolish thing to say. How are you gonna compare the new kid on the block to the greatest ever? Pogacar has -maybe- achieved 10% of what Merckx has.
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One thing nobody will ever beat Barry Bonds in is head size increase from rookie season to final Season.
Dude grew a beachball on his shoulders
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It’s not even debatable.
Barry Bonds was the best in the game before he became the greatest to ever play
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[url]https://www.thecoldwire.com/barry-bonds-was-a-star-before-steroid-allegations/#:~:text=However%2C%20fans%20need%20to%20remember%20that%20Bonds%20was,scored%2C%201%2C996%20RBI%2C%20and%20514%20stolen%20bases.%20[/url]
Barry Bonds Was A Star Before Steroid Allegations
Barry Bonds Swing Before And After Steroids
[url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfn3O7QIA9o&t=64s[/url]
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The real top star in their sport.
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The dumps afterwards must be legendary.
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[QUOTE=Phil9;1685847633]
The dumps afterwards must be legendary.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I've often wondered about this also, especially with the chicks.
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No one cares about long distance running, but Eliud Kipchoge's dominance of the Marathon is up there. From 2014-2022, he won every single marathon he entered except one. It was nothing but World Majors and Olympics runs.
Also, since this still on the table as of now, I think Novak Djokovic enters the discussion if he can sweep the majors this year. He won the Australian and French so far. He's in the semis at Wimbledon as of now with the US Open to go. He's the goat but undisputed is still up in the air. If he becomes like LeBron or Tom Brady in this sense and continue to win majors into the late 2020s, I think it then becomes undisputed.
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[QUOTE=JeffPesos;1686340203]except one[/QUOTE]
lol what a loser
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While I agree Bonds is the baseball GOAT (if everyones on OJ the playing field is level)
But Gretzky just DOMINATED hockey. if he didn't score a single goal he'd still lead the league all time in points (he has 894).
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[QUOTE=HockeyBacon18;1686372283]While I agree Bonds is the baseball GOAT (if everyones on OJ the playing field is level)
But Gretzky just DOMINATED hockey. if he didn't score a single goal he'd still lead the league all time in points (he has 894).[/QUOTE]
I always wondered what Bobby Orr would have done if his knees had help up. He dominated hockey when he was healthy.
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Barry Bonds is the baseball goat. Guy was probably the best pure hitter of all time, and then went on cell tech because everyone else was doing it and got video-game level stats. Pitchers would intentionally walk him with the bases loaded lol
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Grantland had a list of the top 10 best months for a hitter. Bonds made up 6 of the 10 spots.
The man won seven MVPs. He holds the single-season record in batting’s most significant categories: home runs, slugging percentage, on-base average, and on-base plus slugging (OPS), that now ubiquitous measure of total batting excellence. He might have topped other important columns too, if he didn’t also hold the record for bases on balls in a season (232). And while the all-time home-run record of 73 will prove to be his monument, the intentional base on balls (120 in 2004) is his enduring tribute. For his career, he tops position players in WAR, WPA, HRs, BBs and IBBs (632 to 314 for Albert Pujols, in second place), and is in the top ten in almost everything else; he is even 34th in stolen bases, with 514.
[QUOTE=SmashinYoungVag;1683510053]You got Ruth and to some extent mays with solid arguments.[/QUOTE]
This is not true. Bonds put up comparable (better) numbers against significantly harder competition. He was much more dominant.
[QUOTE=Barteh;1683510733]There's probably dozens of examples if you stop only looking at major yankee sports. [/QUOTE]
That's because it's significantly harder to dominant sports people care about.
[QUOTE=HaiMeesk;1683593343] but what he did during his streak of awesomeness wasn't much different than what Ken Griffey Jr and Ted Williams did during theirs'. [/QUOTE]
How are they comparable?
Bonds: 101 Runs, 133 Hits, 27 Doubles, 34 HR, 90 RBI, 23 SB, a .298 .BA, a .444% OBP, a .607 SLG%, a 1.051 OPS
Williams: 94 Runs, 139 Hits, 27 Doubles, 27 Doubles, 27 HR, 96 RBI, 1 SB, a .344 .BA, a .482% OBP, a .634 SLG%, a 1.116 OPS.
Bonds has better raw data. He faced better competition. He did it in a more difficult era. He was better longer.
In team sports dominance, I think Gretzky is probably the winner and Bond's only competition.
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[QUOTE=dyee4613;1686455703]Grantland had a list of the top 10 best months for a hitter. Bonds made up 6 of the 10 spots.
The man won seven MVPs. He holds the single-season record in batting’s most significant categories: home runs, slugging percentage, on-base average, and on-base plus slugging (OPS), that now ubiquitous measure of total batting excellence. He might have topped other important columns too, if he didn’t also hold the record for bases on balls in a season (232). And while the all-time home-run record of 73 will prove to be his monument, the intentional base on balls (120 in 2004) is his enduring tribute. For his career, he tops position players in WAR, WPA, HRs, BBs and IBBs (632 to 314 for Albert Pujols, in second place), and is in the top ten in almost everything else; he is even 34th in stolen bases, with 514.
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The intentional walks is one of the things that I truly believe point to his dominance more than anything else.
He was so good other professionals literally just chose not to play against him lol. It wasn't like, "Alright I'm hyped to go against the best and shut him down." It was like "Man I don't even want to try."
It would be like Jordan or Gretzky getting triple teamed at all times just to keep the ball and puck out of their hands and give their teammates better opportunities as a result. It's literally the same thing. I'm going to put Bonds on base, many times sliding guys into scoring position or rare instance of flat out giving up a run even, and put the bat in his teammates hands to produce instead.
The hitting stats are surely impressive, but I don't know if I've ever seen any other athlete get that treatment where the opposing team literally just says, ok we're just not going to let you play at all.
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I'm sorry, but it has to be Gretzky for this one simple, absurd fact:
Not only does he have more career goals than anyone else, but even if he had never scored a single goal in his career, he would still be the NHL's all-time points leader. Yes, that means that he has more career assists than anyone else in the history of the sport has total points. He literally has almost 1,000 career points more than #2 all-time (Jaromir Jagr).
