Probiotics/Digestive Enzyme on caloric surplus(reps)

I have been researching this for the past two hours. I have read(not scientifically sourced/anecdotal I guess) claims about benefits of supplementation on a bulk. Some say "it doesn't help healthy individuals" and others say "it enhances macro-nutrient absorption" yada yada.

Anybody know of anything to back this up?

Since it has everything to do with digestive health I also seen people say you should do some type of a colon cleanse every so often. A suggestion said eating 30 grams of fiber in one sitting(I would assume supplemented).

Any merit to this either?

EDIT: Not starting **** on individual products, more so looking for studies/evidence. Thanks.

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lmao!

I have taken up to 25 billion cfu. It does help with immune system and digestion. It seems to help on high protein diet

[QUOTE=Hansolo261;751921383]I have taken up to 25 billion cfu. It does help with immune system and digestion. It seems to help on high protein diet[/QUOTE]

Yea, I mean other health benefits are definitely there. I just keep finding conflicting things...and I can't find **** about what I am talking about. I am definitely interested and it does all sound good in theory, but I am trying to learn myself more lol.

Thanks for the input.

I take digestive enzymes, not all the time but usually once a day before my meals. I've known people with digestive problems that have really benefited from taking enzymes with their meals. Ive taken probiotics too, especially during cold/flu season. Im not taking those right now.

Renewlife.com has good cleanses. I've done the total body cleanse a couple of times before. Works like a charm



haha didnt read your question. sorry i dont have an answer for it. id be interested to see some studies on that stuff though!

Florativia

[QUOTE=tmd17;751924683]I take digestive enzymes, not all the time but usually once a day before my meals. I've known people with digestive problems that have really benefited from taking enzymes with their meals. Ive taken probiotics too, especially during cold/flu season. Im not taking those right now.

Renewlife.com has good cleanses. I've done the total body cleanse a couple of times before. Works like a charm



haha didnt read your question. sorry i dont have an answer for it. id be interested to see some studies on that stuff though![/QUOTE]

Thanks for the input. If I find studies I will post them!

[QUOTE=GHO5T;751929073]Florativia[/QUOTE]

Ahhh, a brand that I trust. Synbiotic, something else I have came across. Just read the write up on the site. Looks solid.



I am gonna see if anything pops up here or during my research. A lot of these products seem to be very cheap so I may just eventually pull the trigger and try it for myself.

Look into Gut Health also

[QUOTE=GHO5T;751932803]Look into Gut Health also[/QUOTE]

That, along with HAP/MICRO classes is what got me interested. I actually tried to get a log opportunity based off of Seinfeld quotes and failed. One of my all time favorite shows too lol. The reviews are very positive.

Thanks again.

Gut health was awesome.

I did a review on it a while back. When eating a crapload of food, definitely felt a lot better. less bloated feeling, and the dumps were amazing, seriously.

I would think that daily doses of psyllium husk would be great as well.

[QUOTE=yCat;751940623]Gut health was awesome.

I did a review on it a while back. When eating a crapload of food, definitely felt a lot better. less bloated feeling, and the dumps were amazing, seriously.

I would think that daily doses of psyllium husk would be great as well.[/QUOTE]

I will look into it. Thank you sir. No bloat would be nice when eating a lot. Especially on some days I have to eat a lot in 1-2 sittings to hit my numbers because of scheduling conflicts.

LOL at sig haha

The most common probiotic strain like Lactobacillus acidophilus belong to the lactobacilli group, it may help enhance mineral absorption if your diet is high in phytate content.

[QUOTE][B]Probiotic lactobacilli: an innovative tool to correct the malabsorption syndrome of vegetarians?[/B]
[I]Famularo G, De Simone C, Pandey V, Sahu AR, Minisola G.
Department of Internal Medicine, San Camillo Hospital, Circonvallazione Gianicolense, 00152 Rome, Italy.[/I]

Vegetarians may have subtle nutritional deficiencies which have been related to the occurrence of an unrecognized malabsorption syndrome. The excess phytate content in cereals, nuts, legumes and oilseeds which represent the mainstay of their food intake, seems to play a central role in the pathogenesis of this malabsorption syndrome as an inverse relationship has been shown to link the phytate content of the diet with the intestinal absorption of trace minerals and proteins. We postulate that manipulating the endogenous digestive microflora of subjects on a vegetarian diet through administering probiotic lactic bacteria would represent an innovative tool to counteract the occurrence of the malabsorption syndrome dependent on the high phytate content of their diet. Even though there are no data about the composition of endogenous digestive microflora in subjects on a vegetarian diet, we expect that probiotic lactobacilli can interact with or affect distinct yet interrelated components within the intestinal milieu, such as epithelial cells, enteric flora, and/or mucosal immune cells. This would ultimately translate into the correction of the unregulated mechanisms implicated in the altered intestinal absorption of trace metals and proteins commonly seen in vegetarians. Clinical experience with probiotic therapy of patients with inflammatory bowel disease fully agrees with this view. One additional point of interest is that probiotic lactobacilli, and other species of the endogenous digestive microflora as well, are an important source of the enzyme phytase which catalyses the release of phosphate from phytate and hydrolyses the complexes formed by phytate and metal ions or other cations, rendering them more soluble ultimately improving and facilitating their intestinal absorption. The regular intake of probiotic preparation, may represent a cheap and safe tool in order to convert a diet with a low potential for bioavailability of trace minerals and proteins, such as the vegetarian diet, into a diet with a high bioavailability potential. The benefit of such an approach would not be restricted to vegetarians.

[url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16095846[/url]
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Thank you wildthings. I was hoping you would stop in bc I saw a very extensive review you did. The last line of that vegetarian study is relevant to what I'm looking for.

To me it does sound really helpful, but I guess use in the body building world still is in infancy. From what I have read in regards to this topic outside bodybuilding it still appears it would help with overall health and normal flora.

I don't think it's been studied in caloric surplus in healthy individuals. In theory, as long as properly coated(enteric) to avoid denaturing, it could be very beneficial.

I think I'll just have to give it a try for myself. Thank you, and rep'd when off spread.

While on high protein diet probiotics has helped me to have less to none stomach issues. Additionally a cup of fresh pineapple and/or papaya before high animal protein intake (beef, chicken) does miracles...

[QUOTE=Sergibob;752284023]While on high protein diet probiotics has helped me to have less to none stomach issues. Additionally a cup of fresh pineapple and/or papaya before high animal protein intake (beef, chicken) does miracles...[/QUOTE]

I am seeing this is pretty much the "general consensus" on these products. What I would really like to know is if it "promotes" lean muscle mass on an excess diet. In theory it seems that if more macro-nutrients(particularly protein) are absorbed by the body more efficiently, then could use "promote" more lean gains since there is less denaturing to our food in our bodies?

I could be way off...and I wanna know if I am. For the benefits you mentioned, as well as the others above, it seems like it is worth the use regardless. Thanks for contributing.

[QUOTE=rob112;752223943]Thank you wildthings. I was hoping you would stop in bc I saw a very extensive review you did. The last line of that vegetarian study is relevant to what I'm looking for.

To me it does sound really helpful, but I guess use in the body building world still is in infancy. From what I have read in regards to this topic outside bodybuilding it still appears it would help with overall health and normal flora.

I don't think it's been studied in caloric surplus in healthy individuals. In theory, as long as properly coated(enteric) to avoid denaturing, it could be very beneficial.

I think I'll just have to give it a try for myself. Thank you, and rep'd when off spread.[/QUOTE]

Heavy meals during caloric surplus can lead to stomach bloating, the situation worsens if you get constipated for days and may even affect your training session. From what I noticed, probiotics together with adequate fiber intake helped to clear my bowels at least twice a day, it certainly increased my bowel movement frequency during caloric surplus. I felt more comfortable during training without that bloatedness from indigestion.