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12-15-2006, 10:45 PM
Hey I have been gymming for about a year and a half after which i lost touch for about 2 years. I lost weight and have become lean since then as I paid a little attention towards my health, being pre occupied with the rigorous graduate studies. Now i cant keep on cursing myself for having ignored my body and wish to start over again. My problem is that i have little body mass to start with. I am 145 lbs 22 year old. I am thinking of incorporating whey protein in my diet but I am kinda newbie in this field and thought of seeking expert advise of some of you great guns over here. Simply stated I am lean and wish to put on some muscles to work out. Is it right for me to have doses of whey protein supplements in my diet and how much amout is exactly the "required amount" ?

12-15-2006, 10:46 PM
Nutrition / Diet / Macros:

Total daily calorie intake. This is what will make / break you

It is NOT efficient to try and lose fat AND gain muscle at the same time

BMR and nutrition calculator (http://michaelandkendra.com/BMRCALC/bmrcalc.htm)

Total Daily Protein Intake (for best results I recommend AROUND 2g per lb of bodyweight) (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=337536)

Foods (Good vs. Bad) (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=702829)

Unified Theory of Nutrition - by Will Brink (http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/willbrink10.htm)


When bulking (a calorie surplus to gain lean muscle mass at a optimal rate), I aim for:

- 1lb beef per day
- 1 Gallon Milk per day
- Around 2000 cals per day from oats
- Lots of protein shakes (up to 8 per day)
- Chicken / Turkey
- Beef
- Rice
- Pasta
- Tuna
- Potatoes
- Veggies (Fresh if possible)

If there was ONE SINGLE KEY to the gains I made in the 1 1/2 years when I went from 175-225 (my best.. leanest gains), it is OATS / STEEL CUT OATS ! The emphasis here is that oats are a INEXPENSIVE, HEALTHY, yet VERY CALORIE DENSE FOOD. I saw lean gains like I had never seen before. But NO THEY DON'T TASTE GOOD. YOU HAVE TO FORCE FEED THEM. This gets old fast. I added about 1 cup of oats to each protein shake.

Hungry Hungry Hormones (http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/berardi55.htm)

Massive Eating (http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/berardi41.htm)

Stretch Mark Mass (http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=301stretch2)

What are some good indications that I'm gaining muscle... ?

Mirror / Appearance


When cutting (a calorie deficit to lose fat at a optimal rate):

I eat many of the same foods above, but with a lower TOTAL DAILY CALORIE INTAKE

I put a emphasis on PRE- and POST-workout nutrition, and the end result is that most of my calories are eaten before my afternoon workout. I have found this to be ideal (for me).

Fullness Factor Chart 1 (http://technologyorgasm.com/upload/fullness.jpg)
Fullness Factor Chart 2 (http://technologyorgasm.com/upload/fullness2.jpg)

What it my basal metabolic rate ?

Your Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR) is the energy used (measured in calories) by your body to perform basic functions, including internal energy expenditure, breathing, and body temperature. It is the number of calories your body would expend if you performed no physical activity throughout the day.

Simply put... your Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR) is the rate at which your body burns calories while you rest. This is very important because we only have so much time for cardio each day.

BMR Calculator:

Where can I learn more about the "Fatloss Basics ?"

Fatloss Basics Part 1 (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=4476014&postcount=3)
Fatloss Basics Part 2 (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=4476023&postcount=4)
Fatloss Basics Part 3 (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=4476035&postcount=5)
Fatloss Basics Part 4 (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=4476040&postcount=6)

What are some good indications that I'm losing fat... ?

Mirror / Appearance
Bodyfat caliper



Multivitamin (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/now/adam.html)
(Click here for a Multivitamin Comparison Chart) (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=561943)
10 lb bags of Optimum Whey Protein (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/opt/whey.html)
(Great BCAA profile AND glutamine... Note: I recommend Choc / Choc Mint only)
Creapure Creatine (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/opt/crea.html) or Creatine Ethyl Ester HCL (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/omega/cre.html) or Magnesium Creatine Chelate (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/clabs/green.html)
Fishoil / Essential Fatty Acids (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/efa.html)
Essential Amino Acids [Free Form Powder] pre-workout (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=739093)

Stay on creatine, there is no need to cycle it ! (cycling and loading are totally optional)

Creatine timing (when / how to take it):

Science behind creatine timing (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=307788)
In depth look at creatine (http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/author22.htm)

For best results, aim for AROUND 2g of total daily protein intake per lb of bodyweight EVERY SINGLE DAY ! !


Bodyweight: 200lbs
Total daily protein intake: 400g

Here is why:

Protein Prejudice (http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/nutrition/proprejudice.htm)
Protein intake studies (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=337536)
BCAA's / Leucine (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=392907)

Workout / Routine:

I recommend a MAX-OT, 5x5, HST (or similar) routine with a EMPHASIS ON:
Squatting / Leg pressing
Barbell benchpress (Including flat / decline / incline)
Both BB's and DB's for best results

Concentrate more on measurements and less on bodyweight

Weigh yourself once a week. Should gain (or lose) around 1lb per week (depending on goals).

Concentrate on form first, in order to stay injury free

Emphasize both range of motion, and mind-muscle connection

With intensity, strength gains, and a proper bodybuilding diet, the size gains (or fatloss) will come

Make sure and have a spotter when working out your major muscle groups, preferrably someone bigger than you

Don't be scared of overtraining. Simply listen (pay attention) to your body, and ask more questions later if you think you are overtraining.


If possible, do cardio at least 8 hours from when you lift weights

If possible, do cardio in the AM after sleeping.

No need to do cardio on a empty stomach, but many prefer to due to nausea

Jumping rope is a very efficient form of cardio

Sprinting is a very efficient form of cardio (http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/par46.htm)

HIIT (High Intensity Interval Training) is a efficient form of cardio (http://www.musclemedia.com/training/hiit.asp)

Recovery (A.K.A GROWTH !):

With proper intensity MUST COME PROPER RECOVERY !

Make sure and get enough protein right before you go to sleep.

Make sure and get enough protein/carbs right when you wake up

Make sure and get enough deep, quality sleep (Not getting enough quality sleep is the #1 newbie mistake. You should aim for at least 8 QUALITY hours of sleep per night):


Make sure and get enough protein / calories on off days (This is when your body will be recovering) It is important to be consistent !

Make sure and get proper pre and post-workout nutrition:

Carbs pre and post workout.
Protein pre and post workout.
Creatine pre and post workout:
Pre, During, & Postworkout Nutrition (Click here) (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=272067)

Cell volumization:

Make sure and drink enough water both throughout the day and during your workout (this is CRITICAL ! !) I drink about 1 liter per hour, and at least 3 liters during my workout. (Keep in mind I am currently over 240lbs so you may not need this much).

H2O / Cell Volumization... the ultimate supplement (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=332329)
Stretch Mark Mass ! (http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=301stretch2)
The role of cellular hydration in the regulation of cell function (http://www.biochemj.org/bj/313/0697/3130697.pdf)
In depth look at creatine (http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/author22.htm)
Glycerine / Glycerol (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=164581)
Nitric Oxide (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=573903)

Other Resources:

Rules, Information, and "Best Of" Threads Index (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=245936)
MCWTRAINER's SUPPLEMENT THREADS (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=590038)
The BB.COM Bible - By BIGNBUFF (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=167918)
Nutrient timing - By Halleluyah (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=754887)
Truth about bulking - by Christian Thibaudeau (http://www.t-nation.com/portal_includes/articles/2006/06-154-training.html)

Good luck !

If you have read this post and ALL the links provided and you still have a question or concern.. please E-Mail me and I'll get back to you as soon as possible:


12-15-2006, 10:48 PM
I go for some whey protein, a good multivitam and maybe some creatine.

The truth of the matter is, your best ally at the moment is normal food and lots of it. Starting at the size you are, you will gain more from a sound diet and exercise program then you will from supplements.

Reps for asking first before buying the BSN or MT stack.

12-15-2006, 10:50 PM
Another fine preprepared job by PU.....kinda makes my thread rather pathetic but you cant argue with the facts!

12-15-2006, 10:52 PM
Some quality brands / products that I recommend:


Green Bulge (caps)
Green MAGnitude (powder)
CVM Xtreme (powder)
Thunder (caps)
Xpand (powder)
Xpand Energized (caps)
Creapure (powder)
Sizeon (powder)


Purple WRAATH - Grape (BCAA / EAA + Ergogenics)
Bulk Leucine powder - Unflavored $25 per kilo
MRM BCAA+G - Lemonade (BCAA)
Xtend - Watermelon (BCAA)

Fatloss / Thermogenics:

Red Acid
EC Stack
Lean Xtreme
Blue Up (Original)

Ergogenic / Stim:

Purple WRAATH - Grape (BCAA / EAA + Ergogenics)
Red Acid
CNS Caffeine
Ergopharm AMP

Whey Isolate:

Ergopharm I-PRO - Rasberry
Ergopharm I-PRO - Cherry
Syntrax Nectar - Fuzzy Navel

Whey Concentrate / Blend:

Optimum Nutrition - Chocolate (includes Aminogen)
Optimum Nutrition 100% Whey - Chocolate Mint (includes Aminogen)
Dymatize - Orange

Casein Protein:

Cottage Cheese

Weight Gainer / Carbohydrate:

Black HOLE (Appetite Stim)
Steel Cut Oats
Peanut Butter
NOW Foods Maltodextrin (last resort)

Testosterone / Hormone support during a cutting phase:

Blue Up (Stim Free) if using Ephedrine / Red Acid
Blue Up (Original) if using as a standalone
Diesel Test
Raw Test
Nettle Root Extract

Digestion / Enzymes / PhytoNutrients:

Black HOLE (Appetite Stim)
NOW Super Enzymes

EFA's (Essential Fatty Acids)

Optimum Fishoil
KAL Fishoil


NOW ADAM (includes ZMA)

Sleep Aids:

NOW ADAM (includes ZMA)
Optimum Nutrition Melatonin
NOW NightTime Herbs
White Blood

Nitric Oxide Precursors / Extreme Cell Volumization:

White Blood
ErgoPharm 1-NO
GH Max

130lbs to 250lbs on a budget:

Good luck ! :)

12-15-2006, 11:18 PM
I go for some whey protein, a good multivitam and maybe some creatine.

The truth of the matter is, your best ally at the moment is normal food and lots of it. Starting at the size you are, you will gain more from a sound diet and exercise program then you will from supplements.

Agreed !!

In fact this whole mentality above will "pay off" even MORE if / when you do decide to try some of the more advanced / controversial supplements.