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MagicMel
01-31-2003, 11:19 AM
This is part one of a two part challenge.

I've been bulking since mid-November after having gone thru a weight loss routine this past summer. (Lost 28 lbs 170 -> 142).

February will me my final month of bulking. I want to use this next 4 weeks to gain strength before cutting starts in March. With strength comes size hopefully.

I want to use the bench press as the indicator of strength. I can't use squats as an indicator because I enjoy the 10x10 routine, and using heavy weights gives me lower back pains. The same goes for deadlifts. I am using dumbells for flat bench, because it seems more forgiving for my rotator cuffs than using the barbell.

I'm currently going to failure at 7 reps on my last set with 60# db's.
My goal by the end of February is to do 8 reps or better with 65# db's.

1/31/03 11PM, New goal is 8 reps or better with 75# db's, having met my goal this evening at 10 reps, 65# (failure).

Wish me luck!

My Challenge II will be cutting in March. I will post pics when I start that challenge.

Current stats:
5'5"
154lbs
24.4% BF (Tanita Scale, questionable accuracy but consistent indicator of loss/gain.)

Eye2_Man
01-31-2003, 11:22 AM
Sounds good MagicMel. Good luck!

TwoWalks
01-31-2003, 11:31 AM
MagicMel, good plan and goals - will build bulk and of the right type:)

tracyb555
01-31-2003, 04:24 PM
MagicMel,

Sounds like you've got a good plan. Looking forward to hearing that you've reached your goals.

TrishB
01-31-2003, 04:48 PM
Good Luck with your challenge Mel!!
For me, it would be no challenge at all to bulk for a month! I would be in heaven. :)

MagicMel
01-31-2003, 11:28 PM
Well I just got back from the gym, chest & back routine.
I was so pumped up about setting a goal that I was determined to reach it by the middle of the Feb. I did 10 reps 65# db's which was the point of failure.

I revised my initial goal to be 75# db's x 8 or better.

I did not take into consideration that I just completed my second week on Creatine. That was where my strength kicked in last time I was on it.

Let's see how it goes with this goal. And please pray that my rotator cuffs hold up for another month.

MagicMel
02-03-2003, 09:15 AM
Did shoulders and arms last night.

Strength definitely increased overall on this 2nd week of Creatine. I will use these last workouts as my basis for overall strength and hopefully size gains.

Seated db shoulder press went from 7x45# (failure) to 9x50# (failure) on final set. Curls went up 10lbs and skulls went up 5lbs for same number of reps to failure.

I had to skip legs on Saturday tho, because my asthma got to me for the first time in a long time. I just couldn't do 10x10 squats and not be able to breathe. gasp!

TwoWalks
02-03-2003, 10:34 AM
Mel it looks great and the strength gain is fantastic. As far as the leg workout - oxygen is an absolute must for exercise. My kids are both asthematic so I really understand that choice.

Keep it going, doing good

MagicMel
02-07-2003, 12:02 PM
Tonight is chest/back night again.
Let's see how many reps I can get with 70# db's this time.
Last workout was 10x65.

Hibiscus09
02-07-2003, 12:32 PM
Good luck tonight! :) I really noticed great strength gains when I was taking creatine.

Eye2_Man
02-07-2003, 12:34 PM
Crank'em out man!

Hey, did you read that thread about, "Hardcore is..." ?
There was one post that went something like, "Hardcore is lifting so heavy that it even makes your spotter sick and throws up (on you), but you bust out another three reps anyway."

Hibiscus09
02-07-2003, 12:37 PM
Ewwww! I dont' think I'm hardcore anymore.

TrishB
02-07-2003, 12:39 PM
me neither...:(

MagicMel
02-07-2003, 12:47 PM
Thanks a lot Eye2.
As soon as I hoist those 70lb'rs, I'm sure I'll get a visual of my training buddy pukin' and then I'll drop them, and then I will literally ROFLMAO!!! :D:D:D

Hib, were you the one that got sick or something from Creatine? Or was it just the bloating?

TrishB, if I don't get at least 4 reps of 70 then ditto "me neither".

Hibiscus09
02-07-2003, 12:49 PM
No, it never made me sick. It did bloat me a lot -- but I was getting ready for a contest at the time and in the getting bulkier stage. I really did get a lot stronger & put on muscle before I went on to the cutting stage -- I know the creatine helped a lot.

MagicMel
02-08-2003, 12:01 AM
Got back from the gym about an hour ago (10:30pm).

Chest
1x12 30# db's
1x10 35
1x8 45
1x6 55
1x6 65
1x9 70 failure, OH YEAH BABY! That felt good.
1x6 70 failure

Eye2, I did this without my training buddy spotting me, so I did not have any "hardcore" visuals. :D

TrishB, I did 2 times more than I expected so I guess I am still hardcore. :)

I also did 5 sets of db incline press and
another 5 sets of lying flyes.

I finished the night with a pretty good back routine.

Hib, I tried unassisted pullups for the first time. I managed to do 6, wide grip front chins, after doing 7 sets of pulldowns incrementing from 90 to 150 lbs. Man those are tough, my hat is off to you for having done sets of 10 reps in the past! BTW, I weigh 155lbs, so the pulldowns have pretty much matched my own weight on the final set.

After pulldowns & pullups, I drank down my post workout drink with Creatine. Then finished off with 6 sets of seated close grip cable rowing, then 4 sets of bent over 1 arm db rowing.

I'm very pleased with the progress on the last 3 Friday nights.
Going from 7x60# to 9x70#.
I'm NOT going to try 75# next week. I want to give my tendons & ligaments a chance to catch up to the muscles. Let's hope I can check my ego in at the door next Friday.

Phatman1179
02-08-2003, 05:46 AM
Great Work Mel, I like the progress!

I know what you mean about checking the Ego, I have to ask myself all the time, am I feeding my (Pick a body part) or am I feeding my Ego?

Hibiscus09
02-08-2003, 05:49 AM
Great workout! :)

I have a question. When I do pullups, I do wide grip with my palms facing away from me. I'm always wondering the difference between a pullup & a chinup. Is a chinup with your palms facing towards you? Anyway, I was just wondering.

Finally, I will repeat this one more time. I'm sure on a normal pulldown machine I could pulldown a lot closer to my total bodyweight than what I'm able to on the machine at our gym. Our gym is about 30 years old & I believe that pulldown machine must have been there when they opened! My husband said that he also could not pulldown near the amount of weight on that machine as on the nice newer version that was at my old gym. He also said the cable was screwed up & was not sliding along the pulley the way it should. The gym has about 1/2 decent equipment & 1/2 circa 1960 to 70s. LOL

:)

Phatman1179
02-08-2003, 05:53 AM
You got it Hib.

Also Chi-Ups are usually a closer grip, say inside the shoulders.

Hibiscus09
02-08-2003, 05:59 AM
Thanks, Phat. I assume pullups hit your lats more and chinups more the rhomboid muscles and traps?

MagicMel
02-08-2003, 01:27 PM
Phatman, Hib - Thank you!

Hib, I just used the word "chin" to describe the type of unassisted pullup I was doing, i.e. frontal chin over the bar, as opposed to the behind the neck version that I also do.
I agree with Phatman that a Chin-Up is the palms toward you, shoulder width, chin over the bar method.

My gym used to have a pulldown machine the always stuck. You'd have to use about 20-30lbs less than the better machine. So I definitely know what you mean.

Hibiscus09
02-08-2003, 05:13 PM
Mel, I think I must have been smaller when I was able to do the pullups for reps -- less hiney to pull up! LOL

You're doing great! :)

Eye2_Man
02-08-2003, 05:18 PM
70 pound dumbells are hardcore enough! Way to go man!

MagicMel
02-08-2003, 11:30 PM
Thanks, Eye2.

75#'rs in 2 weeks. Then in March, the cutting starts.

MagicMel
02-14-2003, 11:56 PM
It's Friday and I had a real good chest & back workout. I reminded myself and my training buddy that I was not going to touch the 75# db's. That I was going to "check my ego at the door". That I was not going to failure on the 70#'rs either.
Mission accomplished! It was especially difficult to do, because my buddy is just a little stronger than I am and I asked him if he wanted to attempt 80# db's on the bench. He said why not, and at the very start of our workout, he places the 80#'rs right in front of the bench so he can motivate himself. It was so tempting to pick those dudes up after doing my 70#'rs but I DID NOT! I felt strong enough to do maybe 4 reps, but I did not try so I guess I'll never know. I may just forgo the 75#'rs next week and go straight to 80. We'll see how I feel.

Chest
Flat db Bench press: 12x35, 10x40, 8x50, 6x60, 6x70, 12x50
Incline db press: 4x12 45lb
Flyes: 4x12 30lb

Back
Lat pulldowns wide grip behind the neck:
12x90, 12x100, 10x110, 10x120, 10x130, 8x140, 8x150
Cable Row: 10x100, 10x110, 10x120, 10x130

This was purposely a "light", take nothing to failure workout.
I will be playing golf on Sunday, at a very expensive golf course and I don't want to feel "musclebound" and not have fun. Well actually my brother is treating me for my birthday, and I don't want him to see me in any kind of pain, and not having any fun.

Because of this, I am also skipping my leg day on Saturday. :(

Well that's my story for now.
It's about a quarter to midnight, so it's ZMA time.

Hope everyone had a great Valentine's Day. :)

Belle
02-15-2003, 02:11 AM
"Lat pulldowns wide grip behind the neck:"

When I did this at the gym my Personal Trainer ran over and started to ask me why I was doing it. As I had seen some of the more experienced user's of the gym doing this I had just tried it and noted that it targeted the shoulder blades and obliques. However, I felt foolish saying so and just said that I had seen other's doing this so decided to do front and back. Well she just gave me a really crappy lecture and said, "This way of doing lat pulldown's does absolutely nothing for you and in fact is really bad for you and can cause injury," etc..and nag nag and then she adds that "when people do things like that, go up to them and ask them WHY they are doing it and you can bet ten to one that they will not know what the hell they are doing it for or what they are meant to be targeting or exercising."

Needless to say I haven't done it since, but I STILL see guys doing this and they have built their bodies up great. As it is my back at the top is pretty flat and characterless and I am thinking that doing it would help to define things a little more and help with toning the love handles. Especially now that I am losing so much around there--it really needs toning and I think that that would do the trick. Thing is whenever she is around, I hate to just do something she hasn't gone over with me now...she has completely put me off trying new things that I see other's do.
I'm just wondering if you could tell me why you do it and explain the reasoning around it as I feel if I can understand that much, if I ever choose to try it again..having a good answer may just give her the hint. ;)

PS: Have a good round of golf!

Hibiscus09
02-15-2003, 06:07 AM
Belle, that's your trapezius muscles, your lats & your rhomboid muscles & there are a variety of exercises you can do to hit them. You should check out the exercise link I put on my thread for you. I don't do behind the neck pulldowns & my back is getting pretty developed. You can do pulldowns pulling the bar to the front stopping at your collar bone -- do not lean back much. The reasoning, I believe, to not do them behind the neck is that you're more prone to an injury if you do that movement. I believe the biggest injury they could cause is rotator cuff problems. I was told by a sports medicine doctor not to do them. He said women are even more prone to the injury because of their smaller frames.

Anyway, I believe the behind the neck pulldowns are mostly for your lats as far as what muscles they hit.

Phatman1179
02-15-2003, 06:37 AM
Belle,

Not to hijack the thread on Mel or anything But does that Trainer work for you or do you work for her? I would just tell her straight up that you are an adult and you value her opinion but that is all it is. The final descions rest with you and if you want to experement you will.

If you can't tell I don't hold Dogmatic trainers in a high esteem. Some think that the only way to train a muscle is their way or the high way, not taking into account any new idea's or training methods. My son just started working at my Gym. He is in high school and a Very Big Guy(18 yrs old). After answering the phones for two weeks they made him and instructor. Now I love my son but I would not have him telling anyone how to lift weights or eat. He can't even keep his room clean.

Hibiscus09
02-15-2003, 07:02 AM
LOL, Phatman. There was a girl that worked at my old gym who would tell me all the time how I should lift. She didn't have nary a visible muscle on her anywhere! She would sound so superior when giving me instruction & I had more muscle & was much more lean than she was -- she had no training experience. I hadn't hired her to help me. I never listened to her, told her when I thought she was mistaken & she still would not go away! :)

TwoWalks
02-15-2003, 11:39 AM
Originally posted by Hibiscus09
told her when I thought she was mistaken & she still would not go away! :)

Hah, If I hung out in the same gym you do, I would set my workout hours to match yours, and you could not run me off with a stick:D so there:)

MagicMel
02-15-2003, 01:28 PM
Belle,
Pulldowns and pullups are compound excercises. Both the shoulder and elbow joints are in motion. The muscles involved are the back and bicep. The wider the grip, the less involved the the bicep becomes. When you do behind the neck pulldowns or pullups, and your back is perpendicular to the ground, I believe it isolates the lats more than in front of the neck pulldowns. When you go wide, I just feel that you get more of an outer lat workout.
Which would tend to widen your lats, adding to the lat spread V-shape. In my full back workout. I usually do both front and behind the neck pulldowns, both wide. Then close grip cable rowing for my lower back and inner lats. I also add either T-bar or bentover flat bar rowing to THICKEN the back. These also workout your traps, too. And I usually add one arm db rowing to finish it off.

Phatman,
No problem hijacking the thread. Actually I was kinda getting a complex because no one was using my thread to "talk". Now I feel a lot better. Thanks. :)

Hibiscus09
02-15-2003, 01:42 PM
TwoWalks, you are so sweet! I wanted to take my pix last night as you requested & I couldn't find the camera. Turned out my daughter, Brittany, had taken it with her to see Kenny Chesney!:( I was mad because I was feeling like I looked kind of sexy! Lol Oh, well, I'll just put the outfit on again next time I'm get dressed to head out & take my picture! :)

TwoWalks
02-15-2003, 02:35 PM
Originally posted by Hibiscus09
I was mad because I was feeling like I looked kind of sexy! Lol Oh, well, I'll just put the outfit on again next time I'm get dressed to head out & take my picture! :)

This is one of the things that give reason for an old man to wake up each day ... I shall wait with anticipation. :)

Belle
02-15-2003, 02:37 PM
Now I love my son but I would not have him telling anyone how to lift weights or eat. He can't even keep his room clean.

Well Phatman... a few months ago I asked her advice about diet and she brought out her 1B5 exercise book that she had been learning in at college orsomething and that basically said it all to me. However, because I had never set foot in a gym in my life, and didn't even know my bicep from my glute (lol) I didn't want to argue really. She is quite young, but I like to give people the benefit of the doubt. I have to admit that was the point that I came home and input Body Building into the old search engine though and started to study for myself. ;)


Phatman,
No problem hijacking the thread. Actually I was kinda getting a complex because no one was using my thread to "talk". Now I feel a lot better. Thanks

Well I checked out your challenge thread and noted that myself and I felt awful. My life seems to revolve around my own thread at the moment and I was getting a complex myself as I note how many have read the post and how many post! LOL!! Then I realise last night...hey, I hardly socialise with these people or drop by and post--I need to get out there! (Not that you don't mind you! ;) ) I guess since you post so much in mine, your's was a good place to start! :)

Anyway thanks to ALL of you for hijacking the thread. I will be looking around at the links Hib posted today and other searches for similar and studying a little more. I am getting a little bored with my workouts and need to take advantage of this weight dropping off and get some major toning done.

MagicMel
02-18-2003, 11:49 PM
GOAL ATTAINED! :D:D:D
8x75# db bench press. That last rep I wanted so badly without any assistance. I let out this louder than normal AAARRGGGHHHH as I was pushing the last 10 inches, too. It scared a couple of gals away that were 8ft away from me doing 3lb curls. Oops, sorry, 'xcuse me.

After doing incline db press, I went over to the pec deck which sits behind a couple of flat benches. A couple hardcores were db benching with 120lb dbs. That's the heaviest dbs at my gym. Maybe one of these years... Hey, I'm happy with my 75#r's. :)
But 120's make for great motivation.

Next goal is just to see if I can get more than 3 reps of 80#, assuming that my stabilizers can handle it. I'll wait till the end of month to attempt that.

Belle
02-19-2003, 02:23 AM
It scared a couple of gals away that were 8ft away from me doing 3lb curls. Oops, sorry, 'xcuse me.

Better not mention that I currently don't do much higher than 3 lb curls... *joke* ;)

Well Done on attaining your goal Mel.

Shattered here after my workout so hitting the sack... do you know the sex of your baby-to-be or will it be a surprise?

Hibiscus09
02-19-2003, 04:11 AM
originally posted by Magic Mel
I let out this louder than normal AAARRGGGHHHH as I was pushing the last 10 inches, too. It scared a couple of gals away. . .

Brian (my sweetie) says my "AAARRGGGHHH's" sound like orgasm noises. Lol If he's there with me he starts making the same noise I am -- very hard to press a heavy weight while I'm laughing. If he's not there -- it doesn't seem to scare the guys away!?

Congratulations on your 75lb. dumbbells!!!!

iluvlifting2001
02-19-2003, 04:53 AM
Congrats Mel! Every once in awhile grab some of those heavier weight and get use to feeling them and you will be on those 120's before you know it. It is a great feeling to hit the end of the line up.

LMAO at Hibiscus. I can gaurantee that no one ran away. Being the hottie you are. ;-)

Gator
02-19-2003, 05:28 AM
Congrats Mel..
Keep at it !!

Gator

Originally posted by MagicMel
GOAL ATTAINED! :D:D:D
8x75# db bench press. That last rep I wanted so badly without any assistance. I let out this louder than normal AAARRGGGHHHH as I was pushing the last 10 inches, too. It scared a couple of gals away that were 8ft away from me doing 3lb curls. Oops, sorry, 'xcuse me.

After doing incline db press, I went over to the pec deck which sits behind a couple of flat benches. A couple hardcores were db benching with 120lb dbs. That's the heaviest dbs at my gym. Maybe one of these years... Hey, I'm happy with my 75#r's. :)
But 120's make for great motivation.

Next goal is just to see if I can get more than 3 reps of 80#, assuming that my stabilizers can handle it. I'll wait till the end of month to attempt that.

MagicMel
02-19-2003, 07:52 AM
Thanks, y'all.

Belle - We'll be having a boy on March 14th (c-section) and his name will be Justin Tyler. His almost 3 y/o big brother is Brandon Michael.

Hib - I agree with Iluv. I wouldn't run away. I would come over to see if I could spot you. ;)

Iluv - I tried picking up those 120's off the ground the other day. It's been a while since I've done DL's, but I did manage to move them without straining my lower back.

Gator - Glad you're back bro.

TwoWalks
02-19-2003, 11:11 AM
Originally posted by MagicMel
GOAL ATTAINED! :D:D:D
8x75# db bench press.

Hey Mel congratulations:

Oh yeh, by the way I do 120# dumbell presses now: yep 1 - 20# dumbell, some day I might find out how you felt hitting that 8X75

MagicMel
02-19-2003, 11:23 AM
Thanks TwoWalks.

1-20#db...lol :D

Belle
02-19-2003, 01:39 PM
I let out this louder than normal AAARRGGGHHHH as I was pushing the last 10 inches, too.

I was thinking along those lines myself actually but I have been sooo smutty on here lately that I thought I would avoid it in Mel's diary...oops erm journal. LOL!!!!! The last ten inches hey...how long is this thing???? LMAO!!!!!
They are ok it is when it sounds like going for "number two" noises that I laugh out loud... LOL!!


Belle - We'll be having a boy on March 14th (c-section) and his name will be Justin Tyler. His almost 3 y/o big brother is Brandon Michael.

Isn't it great when you can pick the day? I loved it actually. I had three normal deliveries and the last two were caesar due to placenta praevia. I stayed awake for both ops actually and had epidural. My last born is called Tyler-Leigh Cole actually and I love that name. He get's Ty for short. My other boys are Kyle (4 yo) and Aran (7 yo) and Ashley is the eldest (CAH - 11 yo). Chloe and I have been out numbered it seems. We did pray and hop that Tyler would be a girl but it was not to be. Tis going to be fun with all the testostosterone around here in a few years to come that's for sure. They fight at the best of times now as kids. :)

Phatman1179
02-19-2003, 02:07 PM
Congrats Mel, those 75's are no joke, great PR.

Hib- If I made my big O noise I would proably scare the whole Gym away, LOL As it is now my wife can't watch me work out becuase of the funny faces I make.

MagicMel
02-19-2003, 02:08 PM
Hi Belle,

It was not an "assisted" pulldown, and there were no Herschey's Chocolate Kisses deposited in the drawers. :D LMAO!!!

Wife's c-sections are due to fibroids. In Brandon's case, a couple of tennis ball sized fibroids blocked the birth canal. And since they were removed just last year, the doctor did not want her to even attempt a natural delivery. Yeah, like she wanted to go through that! Would make my 75# AARRRGGGHHHH seem like a newborn kitten meowing. lol.

2 boys, and that's it. Hope it's like me and my brother. Great growin' up together as kids, and great together grown up.

Eye2_Man
02-19-2003, 02:08 PM
Good job MagicMel!

MagicMel
02-19-2003, 02:16 PM
Thanks Phatman, Eye2

You should have seen my face just tryin' to balance those dudes on my lap before laying back down on the bench. That's almost as hard as the lift itself. Oh, and trying to do a sit-up, to get back up is even worse, since I don't drop the db's like a few guys do. It's not easy concentrating on an excercise like benching, when right in the middle of it you here the double thunderous thump-thump clink of a pair of 100lb dbs being dropped on the floor.

Belle
02-19-2003, 02:27 PM
Would make my 75# AARRRGGGHHHH seem like a newborn kitten meowing. lol.

Well personally, I've heard the cahoots that go on in labour wards and actually participated, more like a cat being fired out of a cannon into a bonfire is the noise I am familiar with from there...lmao!

When I had the first caesar, I had no choice because the placenta blocked the os and I got to 36 weeks and they had to do the op because the cervix had started to open due to my very lose pelvic floor after having had three "normally" and I started to bleed. I had had early labour some weeks before and they had managed to stop it and because baby was too small for dates and immature they decided to make me wait a little longer.

When I had the fifth, the placenta was ok but they asked if I wanted a trial labour as everything was ok and I had had three normal births before. (I thought is this a trick question or what?) I mean despite the after op pain from the caesar which I remembered being hell on earth, I chose to have another caesar. To be honest the labour wasn't the reason why it was more the thought of going through what would be nothing less than 15 hours of that and then some smart sod in a green gown saying, "Ut oh, this is not happening and we will need to operate." :) The thought of both was enough to make me bottle out and just take the "planned" version. Hehehe.

Belle
02-19-2003, 02:50 PM
ChloŽ is actually 14 on the 13th of March. So I will be thinking of you two the whole day after her birthday this year and wondering how you are. :)

Phatman1179
02-19-2003, 03:02 PM
Hey Mel I got a system that works good for me with those dumbells. From a standing positon grab a hold of them and place them over you legs then sit. Take a deep breath, bounce you legs up in the air and lay back. Throws them right up for you. Now you can get you feet down and stablize for your lift. When you are done with the set, with the dumbells fuly pressed (Extended) bring your knee's up behind them and rock them and your legs forward. The momentum of the dumbells will propell you to a sitting position and you can either set them on the ground or stand up with them from there. Works every time!!

I hate the weight droppers myself and the guys who are screaming Every damm set. Not just when you need it but with even warm up sets. Grrrrr

MagicMel
02-19-2003, 03:28 PM
Phatman, big thanks for that db tip. I do a similar thing on incline where I kick each one up individually, but I never even thought of doing it simultaneously on flat bench. I'll try it with lighter weights just to get the feel for it, and I will make sure I let out a huge grunt when I practice it with those huge 25lb'rs.

Belle
02-19-2003, 04:11 PM
in a pot hole that a "dropper" made in the flooring @ our gym... and it hacks me off too hearing that.

MagicMel
02-25-2003, 11:35 AM
I've decided to add 2 more weeks of strength gaining to this challenge, with an end date of March 14. This coincides with the delivery of our second boy via c-section on that same date. I will then take a needed break from training for a week (been training non-stop since November). Then I will start my Challenge II (cutting) on March 23. That's assuming I can find the energy for it.
If anyone has any advice on cutting and training, while caring for a newborn AND a 2 y/o AND a recovering c-section wife, I'm all ears.

Hibiscus09
02-25-2003, 11:37 AM
Tip for cutting: When you get up in the middle of the night to feed your baby, which you should do because your poor wife is tired -- don't drink the stuff in the bottle -- give it to the baby. :)

Belle
02-25-2003, 11:40 AM
Do ALL the lifting around the home--even the kettle (jug) and don't let wifey lift anything whatsoever...even the baby. The energy you burn and the workout you get will beat a normal workout hands down. ;)

Hibiscus09
02-25-2003, 11:43 AM
That's a good one too Belle. He needs to find some way to burn extra calories to make up for the sex he won't be having. LOL

Belle
02-25-2003, 04:13 PM
since I've been there that the sooner she recover's, the sooner things get back to normal. Caesar scars are quite slow to heal and you meant to take it easy. I never got over it for six weeks half the time--and even then, you need at that point to gradually move back into normal activity slowly. It sux. Pain killer's barely touched it fore the first two weeks after because of the contractions of the uterus when I breast fed. It seemed to make it a lot worse anyway than after a normal delivery, especially if you have a surgeon that throws you around and there is some bruising. Arnica is good for wound healing I found--orally and in cream rubbed into the would when the stiches are out with vitamin e from a capsule and orally too. When you do too much it set's you back a great deal and the wound healing is prolonged. Mel will know that much anyway because it's his wifes second caesar.

With my first caesar we planned for my husband to take one week off and it turned into three and a paid home help three days a week. The three top things that occured each time for me were:

a.) Delivery of a large bunch of flowers a few days after I got home when I was feeling my worst.

b.) A friend doing a lot of baking and bringing that around...biscuits and cakes and washing all the families clothes and hanging them out.

c.) My husband taking the baby in the first week or two during the day whilst I got a nap for a few hours because since I was breastfeeding, I had to do the night feeds. He also would wake and bring the baby to me before going back to sleep, just to get me over the two weeks or sheer hell everytime I got out of bed.

d.) Not making me laugh too much...lol! That really hurts a lot...

Eye2_Man
02-25-2003, 04:21 PM
March 14th is coming up fast! Congratulations!

Whenever you start your cutting, tell us if it's easier than it was adding on the muscle. One guy in the nutrition forum said it's easier to lose fat than gain muscle. That really chapped my hide.

Belle
02-25-2003, 04:26 PM
So when has he had to try to get rid of fat and how long did it take? I find it works the reverse way, I feel happy building muscle and it isn't a chore...trying to lose the fat is. I feel it is much easier then to build muscle than burn fat. Anyway if you build enough muscle, the muscle itself will take care of the fat problem?

Hibiscus09
02-25-2003, 04:30 PM
Mel, just so you won't be worried (although Belle may get pissed) my cesaereans didn't bother me much any. In fact the second baby was a planned cesaerean & that was just down right easy. The first baby took the first week to feel better (I labored 10 hours & she weighed 9.2lbs!) but after that I was okay. Sorry Belle.

I also had a very low bikini cut which is just completely white now & is pretty hard to see.

Eye2_Man
02-25-2003, 04:32 PM
I think it was a moderator that said that. He probably knows what he's talking about. But you're not supposed to say that around people on a diet.

Belle
02-25-2003, 05:01 PM
Doing an edit here... Mel, I'm sure your both going to be fine and you will cope well with the birth and the post natal period. Hopefully you have some insight from the last caesar anyway where judging how well your wife recover's and what she needs in the way of help anyway. I did write my experience here, but it is one of those topics that can quite literally divide opinions there are different situations that create different opinions about how recovery really is. Far best off to expect a woman needs to have lot's of relaxation and pampering than not. You'll be much better off for it...LOL!

This topic makes me laugh half the time because many women have different experiences with childbirth, and each one is a spin on what the next woman will have. LOL... sometimes it get's discussed and you possibly feel inferior when someone says that they had an "easy" time and don't know what all the fuss is about when for other's it was like going through the eye of a needle for them... and I guess you may feel kind of like a wuss? I think that that is what Hib means when she say's I may be pissed to hear that. I guess we are all different and no two persons experiences of birth are alike or experiences with surgery. I don't feel pissed though... I would be more concerned that you got a balance view of how two different women faired in the same situation as it would certainly prepare you for any such instances..which is probably for the best not worst. LOL! Hope everything goes as well as it did for Hib, but if it doesn't, at least you know how touchy we females can be about with these matter's. LOL!!! Anyway, hate to talk about this topic on a body building site... so I cut the gory details and edited my message to more in keeping with your question about how you can cope and stuff.

Belle
02-25-2003, 07:10 PM
Apologies for wandering off topic in your journal...I edited the message above also. :)

Hibiscus09
02-25-2003, 07:24 PM
Well, Belle, I'm sure it is different for everyone. I think pain is just that way. I don't think it makes one person a wuss (did I spell that right? LOL) or not. I'm sure everyone's experience is different based on how they experience pain, etc. I don't think I'm especially tough -- I just know my body doesn't feel pain like some do. I just probably don't have nerve endings that are functioning correctly! My dentist once pulled back & asked, "You're not feeling anything?" That made me a little nervous.

Anyway, regardless of the pain, aren't babies just beautiful? I want one. :)

TwoWalks
02-25-2003, 07:43 PM
Originally posted by Eye2_Man
tell us if it's easier than it was adding on the muscle.

Eye2, no contest - it is far easier to lose fat than it is too build muscle. Eat less lose weight - workout lose weight - do arobics lose weight.

On the other side I lost 35#'s of fat in 3 months, ever hear of anyone putting on 35#'s of muscle in 3 months:)

TwoWalks
02-25-2003, 07:46 PM
Originally posted by MagicMel
If anyone has any advice on cutting and training, while caring for a newborn AND a 2 y/o AND a recovering c-section wife, I'm all ears.

Sleep 4 hours - wake, feed baby, feed dieter a protien shake - sleep 4 hours. The extra meal in the middle of the sleep time is an old bodybuilder cutting trick from the 50'S & 60's. Now the problem is getting the little one to sleep 4 hours, wake - feed, sleep 4 hourszzzzzzz:D

Hibiscus09
02-25-2003, 07:47 PM
Okay. I'm going to sleep now. I can't read any more baby talk -- I WANT ONE!! :)

Belle
02-25-2003, 08:30 PM
Two Walks...good idea...feed the baby every four hours and feed yourself the protein shake... you'll grow like a mushroom...LOL!

Hib, lol... you DON'T want another... honestly it is TOO addictive sometimes... look at me! Didn't know when to stop I don't think. I always said I didn't want to have any..waited until 26 yrs old and wrinkled my nose up when gf's talked about babies... then suddenly one year it was, "I have GOT to have one!" and after that each one in succession without hardly a break! 5 in 10 years lol! Guess you could say I made up for the lost time!

I really look forwards to grand children actually. I'm an excellent knitter..LOL!

MagicMel
02-26-2003, 12:03 AM
Hey everyone,

Thanks for all the commentary, advice, forewarnings and such. It's good to here different sides of the story.

My wife healed very quickly from the first c-sect. I did not want her to be lifting anything, including Brandon, or walking around or doing anything for the first week. But that got pretty boring for her. She was up and about with the baby within the first week. How could she not be? I'm expecting a similar recovery this time, too.

Justin, on the other hand will be a challenge, or maybe I should say Brandon will be. He is extremely jealous when we pick up any of the other neighborhood kids. He is also in the "everything is mine" stage, too. We don't quite know how to handle that just yet. We'll just play that by ear.

Also, to our advantage, we have around the clock help from my mother. She has been Brandon's "daycare" since he was 4 months old. We added on to our house, her own personal living quarters, including full sized kitchen (unpermitted), which was completed by the time Brandon was 8 months old. It's been a blessing! She actually ran a small daycare center in her own house way back when, and she has done well in educating Brandon. Her help when Justin arrives will be invaluable. Thanks, Mom.

So,
Hib says I can't drink down a bottle of formula in the middle of the night, but TwoWalks drinking one is a cutting trick from the 50's & 60's? At first I would think that the extra calories would add weight on, but then again, keeping the metabolism up by ingesting protein might help burn off fat. Oh, brother, here comes that science stuff again! My Challenge II is supposed to end in mid-June and I still don't have my diet plan quite there yet, and now were talking about 3am feedings.

Eye2,
I lost 28lbs in 3 months last summer. Since November (bulking), I have only put on 12 lbs. Based on my Tanita scale, only 2-3 lbs is muscle. So it seems to me that losing weight might be easier for me than gaining muscle. Of course, I'm probably overtraining, and I am not totally religious about maintaining the proper amount of protein on a daily basis. I am just glad that I am not 170lbs again, I'm 153, and that my strength gains are significant. I hope that when I shed this layer of fat, that I don't end up looking like some puny little runt.


Originally posted by Hib
..He needs to find some way to burn extra calories to make up for the sex he won't be having. LOLDon't forget, I can do "unassisted" pullups for reps. :D

Well, it's almost midnight again. ZMA time. Nite all.
And thanks again for all your advice. :)

Hibiscus09
02-26-2003, 04:32 AM
Actually, Mel, I have heard a protein shake in the middle of the night will help with putting on muscle mass. :)

Your life sounds like mine when I had my second baby -- we added on to the kitchen, my mother came over & helped me with the baby, and Brittany (just turned 5 years old) was a jealous little girl. :) I was in the kitchen doing dishes & I had left the newborn on a pallete in the living room & I heard this loud yelp. I ran in the room, the baby was crying & Brittany's eyes were about to bug out of her head. On closer inspection, I found teeth marks on the baby's arm! :) I didn't have a dog, so that left one suspect. Ha,ha I asked her why & she said "my mind just went out of my head!" I told her to go to her room, sit on her bed & not to come down until she had all of herself together! Great stuff!

TwoWalks
02-26-2003, 07:43 AM
Originally posted by MagicMel
TwoWalks drinking one is a cutting trick from the 50's & 60's? At first I would think that the extra calories would add weight on, but then again, keeping the metabolism up by ingesting protein might help burn off fat.

Mel Both you and Hibiscus are correct: for muscle mass gain it works and for cutting it also works. Here is the little difference between the two.

For mass gain the protien shake is added to the calories, and aids in the mass building from workouts.

For fat loss add it as a extra meal but do not increase calories with its use. If you calorie intake for cutting is 2100 instead of dividing that up for six meals - divide it up for seven meals.

MagicMel
02-26-2003, 08:12 AM
Thanks TwoWalks.
I might just try that. We'll see if the baby can hold MY bottle for ME. It's the least he could do for getting me up in the middle of the night. :)

TwoWalks
02-26-2003, 08:53 AM
Originally posted by MagicMel
Thanks TwoWalks.
It's the least he could do for getting me up in the middle of the night. :)

Old saying "Ones mans trash is another mans treasure":) Good or bad is a matter of perspective. When we have little ones and they want that night time feeding we always see it as a loss (sleep) This way it makes it a good thing to look forward too, you get up too feed your goal.

TwoWalks trick to tweek: Calculate Drink or bar in advance to total calorie intake ... do not worry if its 3 or 4 hours ... each time the little one wants feeding, eat something, they are on a high metabalism schedule and our eating can learn from them:D

Been watching our cat ... gets plenty of sleep and eats a little every hour HUUUUUUM!

Belle
02-26-2003, 02:45 PM
On my non weight training days I take my shakes as meal replacement on am and pm snacks. On weight training day, I use it either side of the workout and still have five other meals which are breakfast, am snack, lunch, dinner and supper. I'm doing ok. I think you need the extra protein more so on weight training days really, and especially after a workout. On workouts, I have a shake 30 minutes before and a shake 15 minutes after or within that time.

It makes a hell of a lot of difference with recovery doing that and 4 grams of glutamine split and taken either side of the workout too. I often feel like I have done nothing the day after, but come day two after the workout and I do have some muscle ache so I know the glutamine and protein help with the day after discomfort immensely.

Belle
02-26-2003, 02:56 PM
I learned from the first instance that Hib had by the time it came round to the other babies. Having five 2-3 years apart, the trick is to spend more time with the eldest, because it is just a change for them really of not being the cutie baby anymore. I always used to have people buy something for the baby if they were getting a gift and ALSO something for the two yo at the time to break the blow a little and make them feel special too. Dividing your attention between the two will work good--which I am sure you will be well able to do with your Mother-in-Law being so handy. My Mother lives over 100 kms away. My Father lives 12'000 miles away and NO relatives live nearby. Gave up my life long friends at the age of 30yo to come to New Zealand, and have not really made any similar friends since. :) So a good support network makes a hell of a lot of difference. Emotionally and physically. My Mother in law is almost 80 yo. When I had my third child the eldest as they are now were only tot's. As the eldest got older and more independant they were able to help "a little" with each new baby. As at the fifth my then 8 yo son Ashley burst into tears when I said we were having another baby. Tyler was not planned to be honest, I had had the first caesar and that was a nightmare as I had infection and the bladder adhered to the uterus and there were many problems. Hence possibly the reason why my experience was different to others. It was a long time recovering and in fact I never DID find out why I had so many gynea and bladder problems until the second caesar (fifth baby) and the op took longer because they had to seperate the bladder and uterus before delivering the baby. Then my tubes had to be tied as I had insisted, but I would not have the plastic clips, so they had to cut and tie and cauterize instead. Pain was a little more excessive as there is more difficulty getting to the tubes after birth in that way than a straight forward tubal ligation.

Basically I relied on friends after the op, and it was certainly not easy not having family or my sister's help. So I would say having that is a blessing and your very lucky to have such a lovely Mother-in-Law.

MagicMel
02-26-2003, 03:28 PM
Thanks Belle,
I'll take your sibling rivalry advice into serious consideration.

You just reminded me, my wife is going to get her tubes tied also, at the same time. So I'm assuming that the healing process might be a little more difficult and also longer? We'll play that by ear also.

BTW, it's my Mother, not my M-I-L, that we have housed. MIL is still working full-time, but my mom is 73 and can still chase a 2y/o without taking a breath!

Belle
02-26-2003, 05:47 PM
No mine went well. The longest part was seperating the uterus and the bladder, they had to just gently manipulate and peel them which I think was the longest part--actually I thought they were taking a long time and I thought something was wrong so I asked and the surgeon peeped her head over the screen they put up and said they were still separating things due to scar tissue. Then from there it took about what seemed like half an hour for them to deliver baby and tie tubes and then they started to put stitches in. Because I did not get an infection the second time around, I healed well. the first time I had lots of Haematoma's along the wound and it was very sore. The second time they put in a drain so that things could drain and so I healed better. I therefore didn't notice the pain being AS bad as the first caesar. Because of the way the placenta was postioned...to the left and across the os, they did different cuts inside though...had to cut slightly to the right more than center on the uterus :)

Also Kyle was born with a two vessel cord instead of a three vessel cord, which sometimes indicates kidney and heart problems, and we had to wait two weeks for a scan of his kidney's as they were too immature at birth due to him being born 4 weeks early. So we were extremely stressed and worried about him and I just could not concetrate on me at all until he had the all clear. I guess the second time around it was much better, but by far more painful than following a normal delivery. I just did not want to labour on a scar and also I wanted to have the tubal ligation and be done and dusted. I had more children running around though and it actually is more stressful, so your wife should recover just as well as the first caesar. is she having the same Ob Gyn?

MagicMel
02-26-2003, 11:35 PM
Yup, she's got the same ObGyn. In fact, she took Brandon to her last appointment. It was the first time the doc had seen him since delivery day. He went into his shy act, but doc was really pleased to see him. Her office has a hallway full of pictures of babies that the group has delivered. She's a wonderful lady!

Belle
02-27-2003, 12:30 AM
Great, thats good. Things will hopefully not differ from last time. There were three male surgeons the first time for me and then three females in the last one. Needless to say...the female surgeons were slightly less rough shod... maybe they are more aware of the pain after? :)

I remember being pulled and pushed around the first time. The second time that didn't happen.

MagicMel
03-01-2003, 12:06 AM
Well it's the last day of the month. I said I was going to try to get 3 or more reps out of those 80lb db's. I DID 4-1/2 REPS!!! YEEEEHAAAAA!!:D:D:D:D
On that 5th rep though, without any warning whatsoever, my left arm just collapsed! I had no idea it was going to give out like that. My training partner caught it mid-air, fortunately. So I didn't tear anything. My right side was in total control however, and probably could have completed the rep, and maybe one more. My buddy said that my left forearm looked like it strayed away from my body slightly on the way up. That probably caused the angle to change between my forearm and upper arm. And with my puny 14-3/4" arms, it was just enough to send that 80lb'r careening out of control. It felt good to actually have enough weight in hand to be considered a "dropper". So I just dropped them both, got up, and checked to see if anybody else saw me do it. Well it's Friday night so the free weight section was pretty much empty. Oh well. Maybe I'll try it again on a "real" weeknight when there's a larger audience.

Sunday starts my cutting diet and therefore my Challenge II. Well, better make that Monday. Our neighbors are throwing a couples baby shower for us, so I'll start the diet with a cheat day.
My training, however will continue as I said previously, with strength training routine till March 14, when Justin will arrive into this world. I'll take a week off, then cycle back to a moderate weight training and add some cardio. That is, if Justin let's me.

So I'll see you guys in my Challenge II thread next week. Oh and BTW, I will have some "before" pics posted, too. And not some "waaaay before" pics like the latest cutsie ones from Hib & Belle. :)

Hibiscus09
03-01-2003, 05:10 AM
LOL, you know you enjoyed that nudie! :)

Great job with the 80lbs dumbbells! Have a great time at your baby shower also. I'm going to one today for a really good friend -- :).

Can't wait to see those befores!! :)

Eye2_Man
03-01-2003, 09:40 AM
Good thing no injuries! And damn good lifting with those 80 pounders.

We'll see those new goals and pictures soon hopefully.

TwoWalks
03-01-2003, 10:49 AM
Mel, great job reaching that 80# personal goal. Looking forward to challenge 2 thread and the pictures, now there is one more thing:


Originally posted by MagicMel
my puny 14-3/4" arms

Watch the insults Bro, I don't like my arms called Puny:D

Hibiscus09
03-01-2003, 02:44 PM
Me either! LOL - just kidding! :) :) :)