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Rolandb1963
01-23-2003, 09:11 AM
Hi all,

Just a question I thought I'd through out to the members. I've heard different reviews, good and bad, and want to hear from you crew. Good experiences, bad experiences, all the dirt on the stuff. I've just started supplementing, "started is the keyword", but besides the standard supp's, want to hear more about this one.
Thanks in advance for the input.

beatphats
01-23-2003, 09:13 AM
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=79719

Eye2_Man
01-23-2003, 09:19 AM
Haven't tried it yet. But from the supplements section of this site there are many articles. Most articles are favorable. No negative side effects and it can even help ward off Alzheimer's disease. However, most of the articles said this is not a miracle supplement that will add mass immediately.

I ordered a tub of ProLabs Creatine and noticed that Lava also has it. The plan is to take 3 teaspoons a day for 5 days. Then one teaspoon a day for two weeks. Then quit for 2 weeks. I'll let ya'll know after two weeks if it had any effect on a first-timer.

Oh... one thing a lot of folks said was that it will give you the runs. Which wouldn't be too cool out on the golf course.

little lats
01-23-2003, 09:25 AM
Stick to the basic, don't get anything that has sugar or any other crap in it.

For me I get ballooned up and a good pump, but also get cramps while lifting. That's kind of counter productive. Recovery seems to be a little better. Have I've seen 5 or 10 lbs on my bench. No not at all.

Homie
01-23-2003, 09:57 AM
I must be one of the few who really hate creatine. All it did was make me bloated and gassy. After about 2 months on it I looked swollen (not in a good way), I didn't gain any strength and got tired of the upset stomach.

MagicMel
01-23-2003, 09:59 AM
I just started my second cycle of Creatine. Good stuff!
I take Creapure micronize creatine by Universal. $17 500gms.
First cycle, I had good gains in strength on all compound lifts.
Got some bloating. As for the runs, I did experience some within the first week (loading). And then again every once in a while, maybe a couple times a week, but nothing extreme like every 2 or 3 hours, nope.
I got so strong in that first cycle that I decided to push a heavy weight, low rep routine. Not good for my rotators. I won't do that again, at least not as extreme as that. (To failure on everything).
I'm expecting similar gains this time around, and I'm also stacking it with Nitro AKG, an NO2 copy by MASS. So far the Nitro AKG by itself has been ok. I just got into maintenance on that.
We'll see what the combined stack has to offer.

little lats
01-23-2003, 10:03 AM
Originally posted by Homie
I must be one of the few who really hate creatine. All it did was make me bloated and gassy. After about 2 months on it I looked swollen (not in a good way), I didn't gain any strength and got tired of the upset stomach.


Nope your not alone, It isn't worth the money FOR ME.

mntbikedude
01-23-2003, 10:18 AM
creatine is awesome .....I've tried alot of supplements in my time, and absolutely that stuff works.....I had immeadiate gains after starting to use it .

TampaIronMan
01-23-2003, 10:41 AM
It works fantastic for me....usually, it is good for a 20 lbs bump in my BP after 2 weeks.

As far as side effects, I notice I sweat a WHOLE lot more during my workouts. The really pure stuff can give me an upset stomach, taken alone. Other than that, no problems. It works great for me, and I swear by it.

That being said, I have read that there are like 20% of the people for who this stuff plain does nothing. Also, some good points...don't buy the stuff loaded with sugar....it will put a few inches on the waist. And drink even more water than usual.

edster951
01-23-2003, 12:18 PM
Had good gains with it. No problems, just piddle a lot, due to having to drink more water.

The gain in weight in the first week or so is due to water retention. REad the articles on it. There are plenty out there.

Others suggest it has a placebo effect, you work harder thinking its the creatine doing it.

Only you can decide.

Good luck

little lats
01-23-2003, 12:29 PM
A bottle of 1-test, would be much more worth it!!! Trust me.. Right Chi?

Original Poster
01-23-2003, 01:27 PM
Originally posted by little lats
A bottle of 1-test, would be much more worth it!!! Trust me.. Right Chi?

1-test, creatine, 2 grams ALA :D:D:D

LOL

Original Poster
01-23-2003, 01:29 PM
If you're interested in bodybuilding and fitness, then you've no doubt heard of creatine before. It's the supplement industry's siler bullet; one of few products that actually works and has been proved time and time again in numerous studies. Although creatine has millions of users, most of them have no idea what they're consuming, and many of them have questions. That's the purpose of this thread, to answer all the questions, dispel some of the myths and to educate everyone on the great supplement known as creatine.


First let's start out with an article written by str8flexed (aka Layne Norton) for bodybuilding.com. This article is very well written and will tell you exactly what creatine is and will answer a few of the questions surrounding it.





Creatine Fact & Fiction by Layne Norton



I don't usually like to write whole articles about supplements because I believe diet and training to be far more important than any combination of supplements. However there are a few supplements that work, creatine being the most notable of all of them. It is the best selling supplement ever, period. Creatine sales totaled over 100 million dollars in last year alone! These sales were to everyone from middle scholars to the elderly. With this recent rush of creatine madness there has also been a wave of misinformation. I cannot believe the things I hear people say about creatine's effectiveness, about how it works, and about it's safety. There is some information floating around out there that is just untrue, well never fear, I am here to combat misinformation so here it goes.



What is it?


Creatine is a combination of three different amino acids, glycine, arginine, and methionine. That's it, it is nothing more than a combination of amino acids. I don't know how many people I hear talk about creatine and call it a steroid! I almost flip my lid when I hear it. Steroid? If that were the case it there would be a lot more 200+ pound people out there.

No creatine is not a steroid, it is totally different and works in a different manner. Creatine is also produced by the body and found in high protein sources of meat such as fish and red meat. It is NOT a lab synthesized compound, it is natural.



How Does it Work?


After creatine enters the body (or after it is produced by the body) it firsts binds with a phosphate molecule to form Creatine phosphate. Now here is where I'm going to lay a bit of biochemistry on you so I'll do my best to keep it simple. ATP (Adenine Tri-Phosphate) IS the body's energy source. When your body oxidizes carbs, protein, or fat it is doing this process in order to produce ATP. ATP is responsible for driving almost every body process there is. Hell ATP is even involved in creating ATP. ATP works like this... Energy is needed to drive bodily process. ATP provides this energy by hydrolyzing a phosphate group.


When a phosphate group is hydrolyzed, energy in the form of heat is given off and this energy is used to drive whatever process is being performed, for example muscle contraction. Because one phosphate has been lost from the ATP it is now called ADP (adenine Di-phosphate). The reaction is as follows ATP (hydrolysis)=ADP + Energy. Now you have free ADP as a product from the ATP hydrolysis. ADP is pretty much useless in the body unless it is converted back into ATP. Now this is where creatine comes into play. The phosphate bound creatine donates it's phosphate group to the ADP to re-form ATP! I assume you see where this is going now. By allowing you to return ADP to ATP creatine will increase your ATP stores, thus allowing you to train harder and longer.Creatine is a combination of three different amino acids, glycine, arginine, and methionine.

Another benefit of creatine is that creatine itself is a fuel source. In fact your body's first choice of energy when performing anaerobic activity (such as weightlifting) is your creatine phosphate stores. By supplementing with creatine phosphate you will increase these stores, thus giving you more energy for your workouts. There is another anabolic property that creatine holds and this is it's ability to hydrate muscle cells.1 When muscle cells are hydrated a few things happen. The most notable being an increase in protein synthesis.
The second being an increase of ions into the cell. Since the cell is holding more water, it can also hold more ions since the ions will follow water into the cell in order to keep the concentration the same. When more ions are present in muscle cells (the most important being nitrogen) muscle protein synthesis also increases.



How Safe is Creatine?


Since creatine has only been recently introduced to the market it is hard to determine whether or not there will be long term health effects from it's use. However it must be noted that to date there is not one, I repeat not one reputable study that shows creatine has any dangerous side-effects. 2 After eight years with no severe side effects I believe that one can begin to assume that creatine is relatively safe. I find it funny that most people I meet that are concerned about creatine's safety are also people who like to go out and drink and smoke on weekends...try to find the irony in that.



Is it Necessary to Load on Creatine?


No it is not necessary to load but it can help you see results faster. You see to get the full benefit of creating you must saturate your muscle cells with it. Using a small dose (5g), this will take up to thirty days depending on the individual's lean body mass. However using a loading dosage of 15-25g per day for 5 days, one can quickly saturate the muscle cells in this time period and then use a maintenance dosage (3-5g) for the remainder of their time taking creatine. (Recent research shows that a loading phase longer than 3 days is useless - Icex999)



Is it Necessary to Cycle Creatine?


Once again it is not necessary to do so but it can help. Your body has an internal equilibrium which you can swing in your favor for a duration of time, but over time that equilibrium will eventually swing back.
Meaning taking excess creatine for a short period of time (4-8 weeks) may temporarily increase your creatine phosphate stores but after awhile your body's feedback mechanisms will likely place some time of control on creatine phosphate storage to bring the levels back down to normal. This mechanism may be to decrease your body's own production of creatine or to downgrade the number receptors that admit creatine into the cell. Taking time off from creatine can help bring your body's equilibrium back into a state where in taking excess creatine will be beneficial again. I would like to make clear at this point that I know of no studies to back this theory up with, it could be right or wrong, I am just merely applying my knowledge of biochemistry to a frequently asked question to which there is no good answer to yet.



What is the Best Time to Take Creatine?



There has been much discussion on this but I believe taking creatine post workout is the most beneficial time for several reasons. Insulin helps drive more creatine into muscle cells, if you are a smart bodybuilder then in your post workout meal you should be eating foods that help spike your insulin, if this is the case, then taking creatine with this meal will help it's uptake into muscle cells. The body absorbs many nutrients better after a workout. Creatine will help refuel your body's low creatine phosphate stores.
Will Taking Creatine Before a Workout Give Me More Energy?
No, not exactly. Once again for creatine to work your muscle cells must be saturated with it. This takes at least a week to do, so doing it once before a workout will not make a difference. Now if your cells are already saturated with creatine then it will still not make a difference if you take it before you workout. Your body must process it first and that takes time. The creatine your body will use in the upcoming workout will come from the creatine phosphate stores already in the cells, not from the creatine you just ingested.



Does Liquid Creatine Work?


Most certainly not. Creatine degrades over time in water into it's waste product creatinine which is useless in the body and will simply be excreted. Companies who claim that they have stabilized creatine in a liquid are flat out lying to you. One of these companies (I believe Muscle Marketing USA) had a lab assay done on their liquid creatine and the assay found that it only contained 15% of the creatine on the label claim. I would like to further de-credify these companies by noting that one of the reasons they claim their product is so good is because their creatine does not make your retain water. WHAT? As I have stated earlier, this is one of the biggest benefits of creatine, this clearly shows their eagerness to prey upon the ignorance of the public.



What is the Best Type of Creatine?


Well if you want the most bang for your buck do not buy the creatine transports! These are enormously overpriced and you can make them yourself at half the price by buying your own dextrose online! A little tip... a mix of 50g whey protein and 50g dextrose has been shown to elicit the same insulin spike as a serving of Cell-Tech, and it is much cheaper I might add.


References

1. Stoll B, Gerok W, Lang F., Haussings. Liver Cell Damage and Protein Synthesis.
Biochemical Journal 287 (Pt 1) 217-222, 1992.

2. Kreider et. al. Perceived Fatigue Associated With Creatine Supplementation During the
Fall Collegiate Baseball Series of Division I Players. Journal of Athletic Training.
April-June 2001 v31 i2 pS 83.

Original Poster
01-23-2003, 01:30 PM
Moving on, I did a search for 'creatine' using the search function on the forum and went over most of the threads that were found (A search for 'creatine' yields 4,376 results). After reading most of the threads I assembled the following FAQ, covering questions that weren't answered by Layne in his article.



Creatine FAQ by Icex999



"I know that creatine with dextrose is good as a part of an after workout shake, but how about on rest days when you are just trying to keep the creatine level up in the blood. Ya still have to mix it with dextrose or whatever? Seems like some unnessesary calories if ya don't need it." - gbat


Yes, you're right it is indeed unneccesary calories. As a general rule of thumb, creatine should only be mixed with dextrose post-workout. Insulin is one of the most anabolic hormones produced by the body, but it is also one of the most fattening hormones produced by the body. After a workout, the insulin spike drives more creatine into the muscles and most of the sugar (dextrose in this case) is shunted towards muscle + liver glycogen resynthesis. However, when not taken post-workout, all that extra sugar will probably end up in your adipose cells, unless you're in a fasted state. So to sum things up, on rest days, just take creatine by itself



"I am a creatine non responder. I heard that swole and V12 might work. Be4 I try one, has any non responder of regular creatine powder tried swole or V12? Which did you try and did you respond to it?" - asianlifter


Although the jury is still out on which of these products is the best of the two, so far lots of positive feedback has been coming in on both products. Many creatine non-responders say that these products worked great for them, so either one is recommended. A recent article in Flex magazine stated that this may be because of the glycocyamine content of each of these products. If you can find glycocyamine by itself, adding 3 grams of it to 5 grams of a plain, micronized creatine would actually be the best thing to do.



"I have been takin creatine for about 2 months now and have seen great gains in both stregth and also musclemass...When i stop this cycle in about a week, will i start to lose eitha the muscle or the stregth..I heard there has been debate about this. My friend says as soon as i go off it the water will be released and i will lose mass and stregth......" -
|||Bonez|||


Although this topic hasn't been researched yet, here is the general agreement between those 'in the know'. Your strength will decrease, but nothing to worry about. You will still probably be able to lift heavier weights that what you were lifting when you started creatine. You will also lose a little bit of size, all of it water retention, nothing significant enough to be worried about it.



"I dont have any grape juice, is it ok to load it with water?" -dixie945466


Yes, it's fine to take creatine with water. Actually, as stated in the first question, I believe that the only time you should take creatine with sugar is post-workout.



"Is it possible to sniff creatine and get the same effects as drinking it? just wondering. im not really thinking of doing but im curious." - tre14


Yes, you COULD snort creatine, but the effects wouldn't be the same as drinking it. Most particles of creatine dust are just too big to make it through the nasal cavity into the blood stream. Even micronized creatine might be too large. This subject has never been researched, and I doubt it ever will be so I can't give you a solid answer. All I can say is, if you decide to snort it, it's a stupid idea, but best of luck! Keep 911 on speed dial just in case you congested to the point of suffocation....



"If dextrose is like table sugar then would it be ok to take my creating in my coffee?"
-WanaKnowMore


Dextrose isn't like table sugar. Dextrose has higher glycemic index than table sugar, which means it spikes your blood sugar faster and higher which in turn leads to more insulin being released, which will drive the creatine into your muscles. The coffee leads us to our next question....



"Will consuming caffeine while on creatine affect my results?"


The answer to this one is yes and no. Recent research on the topic has shown that caffeine affects the performance enhancing benefits of creatine. Therefore if you're taking creatine to get stronger or faster, then limit your caffeine intake while on creatine. However, consuming caffeine while on creatine does not affect the cell-volumizing aspect of the supplement. So if you're taking it to get bigger, taking it with caffeine is fine.



"Will creatine make my balls shrink/give me gynecomastia (man breasts)?" - Countless
Newbies


No. The only things that do these dastardly deeds are things that act as external sources of testosterone, such as steroids and pro-hormones.



"ok i know that when you are taking creatine you need to drink alot of water but i was wondering that if i was just to drink about a gallon of water at night and only a little during the day would that be the same as spreading 2 gallons out throughout the whole day?"
- brianSP


Taking your water this way wouldn't affect your creatine results at all. However, I'd recommend drinking the water throughout the day as a constant water consumption throughout the day provides optimal hydration.


"Is german creatine superior to non-german creatine?"


Yes, but this is mainly because german creatine is micronized. Any kind of micronized creatine would do just fine.




"Which supplements brands use german creatine?" -Thi@go.


Anything that is labelled as creapure contains German creatine. Some companies may also state that their creatine is german, which is an obvious giveaway.



"How long is it ok for creatine to be in water?" - TranceNRG


If the water is pure (ph=7) and 4 degrees C, then 30 days. In pure water at 25 degrees C, 3 days. Even at a water pH of 3.5, it is 97.5% stable after 3 hours. (Answer courtesy of K(same))



Does anyone know how long you can be off of creatine without having to do another loading phase? -coconut


1-2 weeks.



"I want to take creatine, but I have heard that once you start taking creating for an extended period of time that your body doesn't produce its own creatine after a while and your weak during that period. Is this true or can I start loading?" - BigBryan1


Your body will continue to produce its own creatine. Go ahead and start your creatine.



"Ok, I have read articles that advocate taking Creatine with juice, and some articles that Juice works against the Creatine.

So the question is, is either side correct, or is it even known how to take the Creatine?"
-CMM


The side that advocated taking creatine with juice is right (grape is best). Although this isn't the best way to take creatine, it won't 'work against the creatine'.



"I've started taking it for the first time. It's not easy to take though. It makes me feel sick and 15 minutes after taking it I **** like an elephant. Is this normal? I am taking doses of 15-30g as recommended by the manufacturer as a loading phase." -itch


It is not normal to have to have gastrointestinal problems with creatine. Your stomach obviously isn't agreeing with such a huge dose of creatine. The loading phase isn't even necessary, so just drop down to a 'maintenance level' of 3-5 grams of creatine per day.



"Well, I just started bulking about 14 weeks ago and I've gained about 25 lbs with the help of creatine. Though I'd like to gain more, I'm starting to outgrow my pants, so I've decided to start cutting.

Should continue taking creatine? " - Gravity


Taking creatine while cutting is fine, and I'd actually reccommend it if you saw positive results from it while bulking.



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Well that's all for now folks. Any more questions??? Post away...

little lats
01-23-2003, 01:33 PM
Boy you right fast... :D

Eye2_Man
01-23-2003, 02:16 PM
Wonder if itch (the guy that got so sick) was taking the 15g to 30g all at once? Aren't you supposed to take 5g every six hours for five days? Maybe this will alleviate some of the discomfort.

little lats
01-23-2003, 02:30 PM
I use to get burninng feelin on cell-crap. (10g) So bad my arms turned red. Everyone reacts differently.

MiloMan
01-23-2003, 03:13 PM
I've never done Creatine in any form. The only mass-builder supplements I ever did were D-bol and Deca (and those do work, by the way).

little lats
01-23-2003, 08:20 PM
Originally posted by MiloMan
I've never done Creatine in any form. The only mass-builder supplements I ever did were D-bol and Deca (and those do work, by the way).

LMAO

MiloMan
01-23-2003, 09:27 PM
Originally posted by little lats
LMAO
Hehe; I don't do them anymore, it's been a while. I got out while I still had all my hair and whatnot.

When a friend tried to preach about the wonders of creatine, and how it would help me add mass, I asked, "Does it work about as good as D-Bol? Half as good? Or is there no comparison?"

Pro baseball sluggers say "I take creatine (or whatever OTC supp they get paid to plug), that's how I got like this" because they can't say, "I take anabolic steroids, that's how I got like this". They'd get penalized, and since MLB doesn't test for gear, they just credit creatine (or whatever supplement and brand the company pays them to mention).

They make money, the supp biz makes money, you spend money, get almost nothing for it, but either blame yourself for not working as hard as the guy that said he used it, or you work harder because of a placebo effect, get results due to plain hard work, then credit the placebo.

Meanwhile, the Pros keep using gear, and no one is the wiser.

giantfan43
01-24-2003, 05:53 AM
my feelings with creating have been mixed .. I started out taking pure creatine mononhydrate from GNC .. chewables .. it didn't seem to do anything other than make me pee and gave me the runs a few times .. I switched to met-rx creatine extreme .. got better results but still nothing special .. Several weeks ago I purchsed EAS Phosphagen HP, a creatine mixture .. now, with this powder, I mix with a protein shake in the morning post-workout and I have found that my lifts have all gone up .. I'm not peeing half as much as on the other stuff and I get an incredible pump after taking it .. so, I think like everything else in this game, each person reacts differently to different things .. my advice, give it a try ... if it doesn't seem to work, try a different type ... if that doesn't work, than skip it !

Eye2-man - as for the runs, I only had that problem with the first creatine I did and I found that if I drank lots of water, it wouldn't happen ...

Rolandb1963
01-24-2003, 06:08 AM
Thanks for all the great replies, especially yours Chi. I have read plenty of articles on the stuff but just want to hear first hand from the 35 pluser's.
One more question, I have high blood pressure and am on med's for it, is there anyone here taking it while on bloodpressure med's and if so how has it affected you.

Rolandb1963

BuckyBoy
01-24-2003, 08:55 AM
Originally posted by Rolandb1963
One more question, I have high blood pressure and am on med's for it, is there anyone here taking it while on bloodpressure med's and if so how has it affected you.

Rolandb1963

Roland,
Creatine exists naturally in lean red meats. That means a couple of things. First and foremost it is in your body right now. Secondly it exists in beef. So if you eat beef you are getting creatine as well.

I am not a Dr. but I would think there wouldn't be any problem. But if you have concerns you really should talk to your Doc.

Now I would like to add your question some. For those of you who have had good results w/ Creatine, what brand are you using? I have been using Synthevol by EAS and haven't seen that good of results w/ it, and am guessing it is because it is loaded w/ sugar.

MagicMel
01-24-2003, 09:10 AM
BuckyBoy,

I've had good results with Universal Lab's creatine. It's Creapure.
Just plain micronized creatine monohydrate. It's cheap. $17 for 500gms.

giantfan43
01-24-2003, 09:41 AM
Originally posted by BuckyBoy


Now I would like to add your question some. For those of you who have had good results w/ Creatine, what brand are you using? I have been using Synthevol by EAS and haven't seen that good of results w/ it, and am guessing it is because it is loaded w/ sugar.

Hi BuckyBoy

I've had good results with EAS Phosphagen HP .. a bit expensive though .. also have heard ProLab is one of the best ... I may try that next

edster951
01-24-2003, 11:12 AM
Originally posted by BuckyBoy
For those of you who have had good results w/ Creatine, what brand are you using? I have been using Synthevol by EAS and haven't seen that good of results w/ it, and am guessing it is because it is loaded w/ sugar.
Nutralife micronized creatine. NZ$29.95 for 250g. lasts about 30 days.

EAS creatine and phosphagen HP did nothing for me.

VaginaHairFan
05-30-2004, 05:47 PM
I know this thread is way old. I was looking to start a thread that questions creatines effectiveness, and I pulled this out of the search engine.

We must mention specific criteria that one must adhere to before they answer a question about creatines effectiveness. Number one, first and foremost, you cannot and should not answer this question if you took creatine at the same time while using the sauce. DUHH!!!! Also, if you have any ties to the world of selling supplements, stay out of this thread! (Trust me, they won't.)

Anyway, my experience with creatine is that it did nothing but drain money out of my wallet. I used EAS creatine and one other type that I don't remember. IMHO, I rank creatine right up there with andro in that it is over-hyped and useless.

Creatine is like alot of other supplements in that you're all hyped and jazzed once you roll up to the cashier to pay for the ****. You can't but help think about the wonderful possibilities that lie ahead. Just another stupid fantasy that sometimes gets in the way of reality. Peace.

egoatdoor
05-30-2004, 07:34 PM
Originally posted by VaginaHairFan


Anyway, my experience with creatine is that it did nothing but drain money out of my wallet. I used EAS creatine and one other type that I don't remember. IMHO, I rank creatine right up there with andro in that it is over-hyped and useless.

Creatine is like alot of other supplements in that you're all hyped and jazzed once you roll up to the cashier to pay for the ****. You can't but help think about the wonderful possibilities that lie ahead. Just another stupid fantasy that sometimes gets in the way of reality. Peace.

I totally disagree. It is certainly not useless. In my experience, those who have not gotten any benefit from creatine either 1) did not give it a serious trial, or 2) had other substantial weaknesses in their training and diet. It is not a MIRACLE supplement that will overcome deficencies in these other areas.

supadave
05-30-2004, 08:17 PM
Originally posted by egoatdoor
I totally disagree. It is certainly not useless. In my experience, those who have not gotten any benefit from creatine either 1) did not give it a serious trial, or 2) had other substantial weaknesses in their training and diet. It is not a MIRACLE supplement that will overcome deficencies in these other areas.

I agree with ego. It works for me, and the price is so cheap it isn't an issue, pennies a day

MiloMan
05-30-2004, 08:48 PM
Originally posted by VaginaHairFan
We must mention specific criteria that one must adhere to before they answer a question about creatines effectiveness. Number one, first and foremost, you cannot and should not answer this question if you took creatine at the same time while using the sauce. DUHH!!!! Also, if you have any ties to the world of selling supplements, stay out of this thread! (Trust me, they won't.)

Anyway, my experience with creatine is that it did nothing but drain money out of my wallet. I used EAS creatine and one other type that I don't remember. IMHO, I rank creatine right up there with andro in that it is over-hyped and useless.

Creatine is like alot of other supplements in that you're all hyped and jazzed once you roll up to the cashier to pay for the ****. You can't but help think about the wonderful possibilities that lie ahead. Just another stupid fantasy that sometimes gets in the way of reality. Peace.
I agree completely. The placebo effect is a big part of this, because if someone believes that a pill will work, their attitude changes; they might train harder, eat more, etc., and thus they'll see gains and attribute them to the placebo.

catmando
05-30-2004, 10:35 PM
There is a product from ********* called Synthatrex. It's creatine and AKG. Has anyone tried this?

o24u
05-30-2004, 10:48 PM
I first used creatine in the summer of 2003. I bought Prolab Creapure from BB.com. I did the loading bit and settled into a routine of 1 tablespoon pre and post workout.
By about week 8 I had noticed size,strength,stamina gains and increased pumps during workout.

I stopped use after about 9 weeks and gradually saw the difference in stamina and in some size.

Later, I tried several other creatine type products.San's V12 produced quicker results and greater strength gains without the bloating(;less size gain). I used this product for 8 weeks as recommended.
It was very satisfactory.

VPX Plasma Expander was my next trial. Saw some(little) strength gains , increased vascularity,no bloating. Gave this product an 8 week run as well.

Currently, I am back to using Prolab. The results were almost as good as V12, it costs a lot less, and I don't worry about staying on for a few months at a time.

I would rate these as follows - all things considered:
Prolab Creapure
San V12
Plasma Expander( I would not purchase this again)

I intend on trying the new V12Turbo product and Vital States Red Russian.

I will avoid NOZ, BY Nutrabolics-issues with credability.

BTW - I am 42 years old.

ctgblue
05-31-2004, 12:47 PM
NOZ worked well for me, but tastes like fruit punch WITHOUT the sweetness (ick)
V-12 is OK,
Creatine Titrate works well but is too acidic on an empty stomach (squat til you puke)
Keatine Extreme is OK
The thing is this, all supps work different for different people.
Creatine WORKS for most
I know it helped refill my muscles after I started back.
But you need to keep up the water intake or the effect is not as pronounced.

MisterT
06-01-2004, 01:19 PM
For some it works and others, it doesn't work all that great. I didn't have much success with it. I used GNC brand, but like I said, nothing that noticeable.

nykwan
06-01-2004, 02:05 PM
I've been using it for a couple months also, and haven't really noticed any difference either.

GreenAdam
06-03-2004, 04:24 PM
Chalk me up as another person who didn't really notice much of a difference.

Come to think of it, I did feel a little lighter after taking creatine - particularly in the rear of my pants (where my wallet is carried).

Seriously though - creatine probably can have a postive impact if your diet is lacking in it. Apparently mine isn't.

Dutchman
06-04-2004, 04:13 AM
I tried several brands of creatine from CellTech to reputable versions with little effect other than explosive stomach disorder. I gave it up for years until I started using V12 last year with great success. Now I am trying Swole and am very pleased. With each of these my ability to recover is increased and my strength winds up growing. I also add about 4lbs of bodyweight from the water retention and my muscles look much fuller. Very decent results in my opinion.

AcuDoc
06-04-2004, 08:14 AM
I have tried creatine pyruvate, swole v2 and plain creatine (micronized).

The problem is my right eye gets all swollen and puffy within a few days of using it. The swelling subsides within 1-2 days after stopping it. Anyone else have this problem?

GJK
06-05-2004, 07:02 AM
Use it while you can....anyone else get the latest AST newsletter?

"I've recently heard that Congress has unanimously voted to ban all pro-hormone substances and have them classified as schedule 3 anabolic steroids. I'd like to think that this is some sort of twisted joke, but after the recent ban on androstenedione and ephedra-based products, I'm not sure. Is this for real? What's next, creatine, protein supplements? I can't be the only one who thinks this is getting out of hand.

It’s for real. Soon, very soon all pro-hormones, with the exception of DHEA, will be illegal under federal law. The bill passed the House of Representatives yesterday with a vote of 408-3. An overwhelming passage considering that, other than the authors of the bill, the majority of the representatives didn’t read the bill or even know what pro-hormones are.

Are supplements like creatine and protein next? Quite possibly. There are many times where the media calls creatine “steroid-like” and already there are bills on the state level that are trying to restrict the sale of creatine and protein to individuals under 18.

First ephedra, then androstendione, and now all pro-hormones. At the rate they are going you’ll be lucky if you can get a “One-a-Day” vitamin much less anything to actually help you build muscle.

Gotta love that Big Brother."

MiloMan
06-05-2004, 08:42 AM
Originally posted by GJK
The bill passed the House of Representatives yesterday with a vote of 408-3. An overwhelming passage considering that, other than the authors of the bill, the majority of the representatives didn't read the bill or even know what pro-hormones are.
Not to be overly skeptical, but the House doesn't have bills, they have HRs (House Resolution). The Senate has bills, but only 100 members, so with 411 votes, it'd have to be a House Resolution, not a bill. In fact, it was HR 3866, Roll Call vote 226.

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2004/index.asp

drjeff
06-06-2004, 02:33 PM
I have read all the research and I use it. I train for triathlons and when I run out I am sore and I get tired.

Dr. Jeff Banas
www.personal-weight-loss-help.com
www.howtoprofitwithdoctors.com
www.sportstraining-weightloss.com

rick65
06-14-2004, 07:08 PM
i just finished about 2 months on creatine.
i don't know how much it helped, but during this period
my workout intensity increase and rest between sets
has gone down. i noticed that i seem to be sweating much more.

also during this time my cardio work is increased, so this may
of also contributed to my increase stamnia.

no stomache problems to report, but i notice i was urinating
more with in 2 hours of creatine dose, this could be my
increased fluid intake also.

i think creating is worth a try, my strength and stamina are
up. i am going to stop the creatine for a month and see
if any changes occur.

egoatdoor
06-14-2004, 07:59 PM
Originally posted by rick65
i just finished about 2 months on creatine.
i don't know how much it helped, but during this period
my workout intensity increase and rest between sets
has gone down. i noticed that i seem to be sweating much more.

also during this time my cardio work is increased, so this may
of also contributed to my increase stamnia.

no stomache problems to report, but i notice i was urinating
more with in 2 hours of creatine dose, this could be my
increased fluid intake also.

My experiences have been very similar on workout strength, intensity, overall stamina and yes, having to go to bathroom about 20-30 minutes after taking the creatine. I also drink water during my workout, so this may be causing that also.


i think creating is worth a try, my strength and stamina are
up. i am going to stop the creatine for a month and see
if any changes occur.

I usually find that after two weeks, strength and stamina start to drop. Two or three days after starting back up, it all returns.

ATrainer
06-14-2004, 09:07 PM
Creatine is a fuel. If you need more (ie train hard anaerobicly) you could benefit. One study I saw showed that by the second day of loading, the subjects were pissing out almost 60% of the creatine they were loading, so I wouldn't necessarily load.
I do scores of body comps on Body-for-Life contestants, and the creatine shows up as 8-10 lbs of new muscle the first week. As long as you don't mistake that for muscle tissue, you're ok.
Also, any stored fuel can be burned off, so you constantly need to replenish. I'd make sure you would benefit before getting into ongoing supplementation with creatine, or you are just pissing away your money.

egoatdoor
06-14-2004, 09:38 PM
I agree that loading is not necessary and just costs you more money for not alot, if any, benefit.

nykwan
06-15-2004, 07:53 AM
Originally posted by ATrainer
I do scores of body comps on Body-for-Life contestants, and the creatine shows up as 8-10 lbs of new muscle the first week. As long as you don't mistake that for muscle tissue, you're ok.

What you see with clients kinda reconfirms for me that creatine doesn't do anything for me. Besides the workouts and 'pump' not feeling any different than before creatine, I didn't see any weight increase from water retention when I started creatine either - which I guess goes together with not feeling bigger pumps.

Because I drink a lot of water everyday, and I see no changes from creatine use, I still wonder if there is any correlation with "creatine gains" in people who may not have lots of water before creatine and are now simply drinking more water after taking creatine vs someone who already was drinking tons of water everyday before trying creatine and don't see any changes.

LateStart
06-16-2004, 10:26 AM
Anyone have any acne problems with it? I've changed nothing on the diet/supps, other than starting Creatine for about 5 weeks now. I've got a bad breakout right now.

AcuDoc
06-16-2004, 11:51 AM
As I posted before I've had trouble with creatine in the past. But over the last 2 weeks I've been taking Satur8 and love it.

No facial swelling, no digestive upset, tastes great and the results are very good. More endurance with wind-sprints, faster recovery time (I'm doing HST so this is a big plus), and an increase in strength (about 5-10lbs on all lifts).

I have to say that now I see why alot of people like creatine. You might want to try Satur8 if you haven't responded to creatine in the past. Just my 2cents.

mrwicked
06-16-2004, 02:07 PM
i have started taking creatine, last friday. im almost done my loading stage. at first i did get the runs and had to pee alot. it does make you feel bloated and have an upset stomach for the first few days, after that it all seems to go away. i have not noticed any physical changes i have noticed it allows me to workout longer putting all my strength into it. It also allowed me to hold my maximum strainght for a longer time then usual. Im not sure if i have gained any weigh. but im sure i have considering the power and endurance i have gained.

as for the acne problem. I have problem with acne, not alot of it for awhile. it didnt give me a acne break out if anythin it made it better. then again this could also been the things i have stoped eating.

raw74
06-02-2012, 06:43 AM
Nope your not alone, It isn't worth the money FOR ME. try creapure creatine because all creatine are not the same.

EB68
06-02-2012, 07:40 AM
I would imagine he figured something out in the past 8 years since this post was made:)

sricardo
06-02-2012, 04:36 PM
I got roasted for posting at the supps forum because my doc and surgeon ruled against me using it because I can develop renal/bladder complications.
Neither the trainers in my gym use it and when I asked around to other members I got conflicting views much like the use of glutamime so people swear by it others hate it.

MarioNTexas
06-02-2012, 07:19 PM
Hi all,

Just a question I thought I'd through out to the members. I've heard different reviews, good and bad, and want to hear from you crew. Good experiences, bad experiences, all the dirt on the stuff. I've just started supplementing, "started is the keyword", but besides the standard supp's, want to hear more about this one.
Thanks in advance for the input.

Great stuff, if you want to get strong fast, gain size, and have full looking muscles. You also get a great pump on it, while working out. But it's important to stay well hydrated, especially during your load phase. I can't emphasize that enough. More can happen than just muscle cramps, if you don't hydrate well enough. I tore a pec during my load phase, in 2007, because I allowed myself to get dehydrated. Wasn't even anything particularly heavy, either. Prior to that, I had used it on and off for years, without any problems.

wildstreak
06-02-2012, 10:22 PM
I don't know if you can OD on creatine per se, but I used to drink the hell out of the stuff in the 90s, when I started working out. I had fantastic gains. Almost miraculous. I would drink A huge canteen of the stuff in the morning then again at night. And workout in the afternoons. I finally quit drinking it shortly before I stopped working out after I chugged a canteen full of the stuff one warm morning and horked in the bushes outside my office. I took it as a cue that my body had had enough.

I'd eventually lose all I gained from creatine. For lack of creatine, poor diet, and lack of exercise. I'm a little more sensible about it now, as I am with all my supps. Amazing what a little research can accomplish.

Dutchman
06-04-2012, 06:15 PM
Amazing that an 8 year old thread should pop up again. Over that time tons of research has backed up Creatine and knocked down stuff like Creatine EE. Even more amazing is the research by NIH which established creatine as the best natural supp to combat Parkinson's. It is now well into 3rd stage testing with thousands of victims who take 2 X 5 gms of Creatine per day. The results have been very favorable thus far. Now they are looking at it for the Other Big neurogical disease, Alzheimer's.

nlsecor
06-04-2012, 07:59 PM
I'm a fan. I generally go off when I cut. While some talk of placebo and water weight they may want to look at how much muscle is already made of water. If that ratio stays the same, then you are gaining muscle, which is partly water. As far as placebo, all I can say is I don't think so. I prefer the cheap monohydrate that has no sweeteners or anything. It's almost free per serving. I would not recommend anything else unless you have a reason. For instance, monohydrate upsets your stomach. Definately a valid reason to look at other forms. I have used dymatize, and now and they seemed the same to me.