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Skigazzi
08-10-2006, 10:15 AM
With all the use of pre-workout / ergogenics / fat burners going on, I think its a good time to offer a refresher on what exactly Focus XT is, what is does, and how it can be used for mulitple goals. I think it typically gets over simplified and called an energy drink...but is so much more than that..and I think it deserves some time in the spot light and a more in depth explanation of what it is, and what it does.
What does it do:
Quite simply, it increases...FOCUS :) , ok, that was too easy. It also increase the blood flow in the brain, increases endurance, promotes the transfer of fatty acids into energy (fat buring), increases mood, and some ingredients have shown to be anti-oxidants comparable to Vitamin E in effect. There are even ingredients with studies showing they support testosterone levels and improved sexual function.

When to take it:
Personally, I love it in the morning, it gives me the coffee lift I need, but so much more. Pre-workout and pre endurance events (10K / cycling etc) it should be consumed 30 minutes prior to activity to ensure all ingredients are ready to do their thing.
For studying, its best (IMO) to mix it up, and sip on it during long study sessions to maintain focus and energy during marathon study sessions.

Ok..So what is it???

Choline Bitartrate
-Choline is a substance needed by the brain to produce acetylcholine, a major brain/motor neuron neurotransmitter that facilitates the transmission of impulses between neurons. Your Muscles Will NOT Contract without Acetylcholine.
-The importance of choline for maintaining health in adults has been recognized for some time, but recent work points to its critical role in brain development.

L-Tyrosine
-L-tyrosine is one of the 20 amino acids that are used by cells to synthesize proteins.
-Tyrosine is converted to DOPA by tyrosine hydroxylase, an enzyme.
-It plays a key role in signal transduction, since it can be tagged with a phosphate group (phosphorylated) by protein kinases to alter the functionality and activity of certain enzymes. (In its phosphorylated state, it is sometimes referred to as phosphotyrosine.) Tyrosine is also precursor to the thyroid hormones; thyroxine and triiodothyronine; the pigment melanin, and the biologically-active catecholamines dopamine, norepinephrine and epinephrine.
-Patients with a Thyroxine deficiency have symptoms including excess weight gain, cold hands and feet, and decreased basal metabolism. L-Tyrosine has been found to assist in optimizing thyroid hormone levels, increased mood, concentration, and productivity.
-L-Tyrosine is used to treat conditions including depression or mood disorder, poor coping ability, fatigue, low sex drive, low metabolism, and drug abuse (when combined with Tryptophan). It can also improve endurance under stress and is effective as an appetite suppressant. When taken properly, L-Tyrosine can assist a sluggish thyroid and aid the dieter in losing excess, unwanted pounds.

Acetyl-L-Carnitine
-To enhance cognition.
-Involved in the metabolism of food into energy.
-Mild mental impairment in the elderly showed a significant improvement of several performances during and after Acetyl-l-carnitine treatment.
-To significantly reduce severity of depressive symptoms in the elderly.
-To significantly improve items measuring quality of life.
-Improve both spatial and temporal memory, and reduce the amount of oxidative damage to RNA in the brain's hippocampus, an area important in memory.Acetyl-l-carnitine is widely used as an energy supplement.
-Patients showed statistically significant improvements of visual memory and attention
-Studies demonstrate that ALC treatment is efficacious in alleviating symptoms, particularly pain, and improving nerve fiber regeneration and vibration perception in patients with established diabetic neuropathy
-Increase sperm mobility in men.
-It has been shown to have some anti-catabolic effects as well by preventing the decrease in plasma testosterone levels after chronic exercise stress.
-ALCAR inhibits the excessive release of Cortisol in response to Stress and inhibits the depletion of Luteinising Hormone Releasing Hormone (LHRH) and Testosterone that occurs as a result of excessive Stress.
-ALCAR increases plasma Testosterone levels (via its influence on Acetylcholine neurotransmission in the Striatal Cortex of the Brain)
-One study showed 2g each per day of L-carnitine & ALCAR beat testosterone in increasing erections and orgasms in men

DMAE
-Dimethylaminoethanol is related to choline and is a biochemical precursor to the neurotransmitter acetylcholine, and found naturally in fishes like sardines and anchovies. It is reported to have nootropic effects.
-It is believed that Dimethylaminoethanol is methylated to choline in the brain. It is known that Dimethylaminoethanol is processed by the liver into choline.
-Short term studies show an increase in vigilance and alertness, with a positive influence on mood. Long term studies showed dimethylethanolamine to increase the lifespan of animals in which it was tested.. It is possible dosage is a major factor as a determinant in dimethylethanolamine's overall effects -- i.e., a higher than recommended dose may produce opposite effects in some individuals, hence, more is not always best.
Vinpocetine
-Vinpocetine has several possible actions, including increasing cerebral blood flow and metabolism, anticonvulsant, cognition enhancement, neuroprotection and antioxidant. It has also been reported to inhibit the acetylcholine release evoked by excitatory amino acids and to protect neurons against excitotoxicity.

Huperzine A
-Huperzine A, is a naturally occurring sesquiterpene alkaloid found in the extracts of the firmoss Huperzia serrata. The extract has been used in China for centuries for the treatment of swelling, fever and blood disorders. Recently in clinical trials in China, it has demonstrated neuroprotective effects. It is currently being investigated as a possible treatment for diseases characterized by neurodegeneration – particularly Alzheimer’s disease. Clinical trials in China have shown that huperzine A is comparably effective to the drugs currently on the market, and may even be a bit safer in terms of side effects.

Caffeine
-Caffeine is a central nervous system (CNS) stimulant, having the effect of warding off drowsiness and restoring alertness. Beverages containing caffeine — such as coffee, tea, soda and energy drinks — enjoy popularity great enough to make caffeine the world's most popular psychoactive drug.
-The principle mode of action of caffeine is as an antagonist of adenosine receptors in the brain. The reduction in adenosine activity results in increased activity of the neurotransmitter dopamine, largely accounting for the stimulatory effect of caffeine. Caffeine can also increase levels of epinephrine, possibly via a different mechanism. Acute usage of caffeine also increases levels of serotonin, causing positive changes in mood.
-Caffeine is metabolized in the liver by the cytochrome P450 oxidase enzyme system (specifically, the 1A2 isozyme) into three metabolic dimethylxanthines, which each have their own effects on the body:
• Paraxanthine (84%) – Has the effect of increasing lipolysis (Fat burning!), leading to elevated glycerol and free fatty acid levels in the blood plasma.
• Theobromine (12%) – Dilates blood vessels and increases urine volume. Theobromine is also the principal alkaloid in cocoa, and therefore chocolate.
• Theophylline (4%) – Relaxes smooth muscles of the bronchi, and is used to treat asthma, and increase ease of breathing.

-Caffeine is considered an ergogenic: increasing the capacity for mental or physical labor. A study conducted in 1979 showed a 7% increase in distance cycled over a period of two hours in subjects who consumed caffeine compared to control tests (Ivy et al. 1979). Other studies attained much more dramatic results; one particular study of trained runners showed a 44% increase in "race-pace" endurance, as well as a 51% increase in cycling endurance, after a dosage of 9 milligrams of caffeine per kilogram of body weight (Graham & Spriet 1991). The extensive boost shown in the runners is not an isolated case; additional studies have reported similar effects. Another study found 5.5 milligrams of caffeine per kilogram of body mass resulted in subjects cycling 29% longer during high intensity circuits (Trice & Hayes 1995).

(and it tastes good too :D )

user25891
08-10-2006, 10:20 AM
Looks like good stuff man.

Blap Blaow
08-10-2006, 10:50 AM
:eek:

we had homework??!


:D Excellent write-up man!!

Skigazzi
08-10-2006, 12:03 PM
:eek:

we had homework??!


:D Excellent write-up man!!

No!! :D ...I was sitting around bored at work and after 2 sleepless nights the only reason I was hanging on was due to this pink beverage we make...so I was like HEY...let me do this thing...

laz
08-10-2006, 11:12 PM
Very good post! I wish people would actually realize how good this stuff works. Its prolly my favorite product besides CVM extreme that we carry. Props to the hard work.

391rippy
08-11-2006, 05:26 AM
i like theobromine

Outside backer
08-11-2006, 11:37 AM
whats the latest this can be taken without interfering with sleep.

night classes start soon :)

SNS8778
08-11-2006, 02:49 PM
whats the latest this can be taken without interfering with sleep.

night classes start soon :)

Depends on you really and how sensitive you are to caffeine. Personally could take it right up to bed time, but for most I would say not to take within 3 to 4 hours of bedtime.

SNS8778
08-11-2006, 02:50 PM
Skigazzi -

Thanks for doing this. Excellent job.

deserusan
08-11-2006, 02:54 PM
Looks like a good product. Nootropics can be a person's best friend during long cardio sessions.

Outside backer
08-11-2006, 02:57 PM
Depends on you really and how sensitive you are to caffeine. Personally could take it right up to bed time, but for most I would say not to take within 3 to 4 hours of bedtime.


im a stim junkie i handle them very well. i can drink coffee after dinner at night and go home to bed if needed

SNS8778
08-11-2006, 03:11 PM
im a stim junkie i handle them very well. i can drink coffee after dinner at night and go home to bed if needed

Then I would think you could handle it all the way up to bed time.

Skigazzi
08-14-2006, 06:04 AM
Skigazzi -

Thanks for doing this. Excellent job.

No problem steve.

Elliptical Envy
05-08-2007, 02:04 PM
I just wanted to bump this thread to inform those who like Focus XT that is can be found for $18 and it isn't expired or a broken bottle sale. :)

TE
05-08-2007, 02:06 PM
I just wanted to bump this thread to inform those who like Focus XT that is can be found for $18 and it isn't expired or a broken bottle sale. :)

Thanks Envy. You just reminded me to drink some Focus XT before I leave the office.

And congrats on the new rep position. SNS has great products. Steve & the reps here are all stand up guys, except for PSK, he's a crouching kind of guy. :D

Blap Blaow
05-08-2007, 02:12 PM
Steve & the reps here are all stand up guys, except for PSK, he's a crouching kind of guy. :D

lmao ahaha

Elliptical Envy
05-08-2007, 02:13 PM
Thanks Envy. You just reminded me to drink some Focus XT before I leave the office.

And congrats on the new rep position. SNS has great products. Steve & the reps here are all stand up guys, except for PSK, he's a crouching kind of guy. :D

Thanks TE. I am going to try Focus XT with some bulk piracetam powder once my order comes in. :)

BuckeyeMuscle
05-08-2007, 02:25 PM
As Envy would say:

Focus XT r0x0rz!!

Elliptical Envy
05-08-2007, 02:29 PM
As Envy would say:

Focus XT r0x0rz!!

2 scoops of Focus XT is the bee's knees. :D

TE
05-10-2007, 07:27 AM
2 scoops of Focus XT is the bee's knees. :D

2 scoops, huh? Hmmm.....I think I'll try it now. :)

Elliptical Envy
05-10-2007, 03:26 PM
2 scoops, huh? Hmmm.....I think I'll try it now. :)

I usually down about half of it then sip on the rest as I'm reading a book. :D

Outside backer
05-10-2007, 04:45 PM
this stuff is off the chain.


I used it for a month while studying for promotion in the military. the ability to focus for long a nd I mean LOOOOOOONG periods of time was such a big factor

i just purchased more this past weekend for ****s and giggle s

and when did ski start working for est

Carmen0857
05-10-2007, 04:54 PM
Definatley looks like a solid formula, you guys should put out a caffeine free version for those of us who don't like caffeine as much.

Outside backer
05-10-2007, 05:04 PM
oh man the caff is the glue that holds this baby together lol

here is a brain stat that I put in My log

in 20 days On my 100 ?? practice test at theend of one portion of my test I went from scoring 55 points to 93 points was my highest with an average of around 86 points


I should take a pic of the books I had to study for this stuff lol

Blap Blaow
05-10-2007, 05:07 PM
this stuff is off the chain.


I used it for a month while studying for promotion in the military. the ability to focus for long a nd I mean LOOOOOOONG periods of time was such a big factor

i just purchased more this past weekend for ****s and giggle s
excellent!


Definatley looks like a solid formula, you guys should put out a caffeine free version for those of us who don't like caffeine as much.
We've discussed it internally and there is a possibility of doing a very small test-run to gauge demand but it's nothing more than a possibility at this point.

SNS8778
05-10-2007, 06:39 PM
this stuff is off the chain.


I used it for a month while studying for promotion in the military. the ability to focus for long a nd I mean LOOOOOOONG periods of time was such a big factor

i just purchased more this past weekend for ****s and giggle s

and when did ski start working for est

Glad that you were pleased with it and glad to see you are going to continue using it.


Definatley looks like a solid formula, you guys should put out a caffeine free version for those of us who don't like caffeine as much.

As Blap said, we have discussed it and we may eventually do a test run of it without caffeine. However, other companies that in the past made similiar products didnt have very much luck with the caffeine free versions.

kieltyka34
05-10-2007, 06:42 PM
I tried this product a month or so ago and loved it.
I liked it before studying but not so much pre-workout (I seemed to space out for whatever reason). The taste is pretty damn good too.

Elliptical Envy
05-10-2007, 07:20 PM
I tried this product a month or so ago and loved it.
I liked it before studying but not so much pre-workout (I seemed to space out for whatever reason). The taste is pretty damn good too.

I really prefer to use it for studying reasons but I heard it is the shiznit with piracetam. :D

BTW, that $18 Focus XT is still being sold at another fine e-talier.

Carmen0857
05-10-2007, 08:32 PM
As Blap said, we have discussed it and we may eventually do a test run of it without caffeine. However, other companies that in the past made similiar products didnt have very much luck with the caffeine free versions.

O Ok, well my favorite product in this catagory rigth now is biotest powerdrive, your formula is pretty similar, but has much more, so I think it would still be very effective assuming the doses of the tyrosine and alcar are high enough. Maybe if you guys did do a caffeine free version you could add more tyrosine and alcar, or maybe something esle, to differentiate the product, maybe some piracetam or something, I would definatly give it a go.

SNS8778
05-11-2007, 09:01 AM
O Ok, well my favorite product in this catagory rigth now is biotest powerdrive, your formula is pretty similar, but has much more, so I think it would still be very effective assuming the doses of the tyrosine and alcar are high enough. Maybe if you guys did do a caffeine free version you could add more tyrosine and alcar, or maybe something esle, to differentiate the product, maybe some piracetam or something, I would definatly give it a go.

Actually, the amounts of tyrosine and ALCAR are already very high in the product; I doubt many would want them any higher than they already are. (I know its a propietary blend - and Im not saying how much; just saying it prob wouldnt be good to up it.).

Feedback on it with Piracetam is excellent, but I doubt we would ever use Piracetam in the product itself though.

TE
05-11-2007, 09:09 AM
I usually down about half of it then sip on the rest as I'm reading a book. :D

Looking at pics in a Hustler mag does not constitute as reading a book. :D

SNS8778
05-11-2007, 09:57 AM
Looking at pics in a Hustler mag does not constitute as reading a book. :D

You know he only reads it for the articles :D

Elliptical Envy
05-11-2007, 10:02 AM
Looking at pics in a Hustler mag does not constitute as reading a book. :D

I think that constitutes as reading material. :D

Elliptical Envy
05-11-2007, 10:03 AM
Actually, the amounts of tyrosine and ALCAR are already very high in the product; I doubt many would want them any higher than they already are. (I know its a propietary blend - and Im not saying how much; just saying it prob wouldnt be good to up it.).

Feedback on it with Piracetam is excellent, but I doubt we would ever use Piracetam in the product itself though.

I'm going to try it with some Piracetam later on tonight, so I'll report back in here when I try it.

BillyB
05-11-2007, 10:22 AM
You know he only reads it for the articles :D

There are articles in Hustler???? Dang, I've never noticed.


:D

TE
05-11-2007, 10:23 AM
You know he only reads it for the articles :D

Yeah, the Enzyte articles. :D

TE
05-11-2007, 10:24 AM
I think that constitutes as reading material. :D

only if the women have tattoos with words on them.

Elliptical Envy
05-11-2007, 10:26 AM
only if the women have tattoos with words on them.

Well, you are reading 'body language' by checking out the pictures.

Nathan1
05-11-2007, 10:47 AM
Focus XT is the shizzle. :cool:

I can't count how many tubs i've been through.

Elliptical Envy
05-11-2007, 11:10 AM
Focus XT is the shizzle. :cool:

I can't count how many tubs i've been through.

Thanks for the feedback Nathan.

yeahright
05-22-2007, 07:56 PM
This is a great product and stacks well with sulbutiamine and/or piracetum.

kieltyka34
05-22-2007, 08:18 PM
This is a great product and stacks well with sulbutiamine and/or piracetum.

definetly, piracetam is a great addition, though I have yet to add sulb. to the mix. I wish I had the money to sip focus xt all day long...

SNS8778
05-22-2007, 08:36 PM
This is a great product and stacks well with sulbutiamine and/or piracetum.

Great to see you over here. There was someone who did a great log on Focus XT that I wish could be pursuaded to cut and paste over here :p


definetly, piracetam is a great addition, though I have yet to add sulb. to the mix. I wish I had the money to sip focus xt all day long...

Thanks for the kind words. Glad you like it.

Bloute
05-22-2007, 08:38 PM
definetly, piracetam is a great addition, though I have yet to add sulb. to the mix. I wish I had the money to sip focus xt all day long...

I would only drink that all day it tastes great ! :D

Elliptical Envy
05-22-2007, 09:41 PM
This is a great product and stacks well with sulbutiamine and/or piracetum.

I can agree with this but I never tried to mix it with sulb........yet. :D

Elijah_MB
05-23-2007, 04:50 AM
I tried this product a month or so ago and loved it.
I liked it before studying but not so much pre-workout (I seemed to space out for whatever reason). The taste is pretty damn good too.

agree 100%. I love FXT. I'm almost out so I absolutely will be getting more. Check out my review in my sig if anyone is curious. Also, any ETA on the new CVM? I've been waiting months for this :cool:

Blap Blaow
05-23-2007, 05:37 AM
I've been waiting months for this :cool:
you sure have. Don't worry- I certainly haven't forgotten about you and you're patience will be rewarded :) CVM labels have been printed up, and is in production as we speak.

and thanks for the support!!

SNS8778
05-23-2007, 08:40 AM
agree 100%. I love FXT. I'm almost out so I absolutely will be getting more. Check out my review in my sig if anyone is curious. Also, any ETA on the new CVM? I've been waiting months for this :cool:

Glad you are pleased with it.

Hard to set a concrete ETA on CVM Xtreme, but its down to labels and bottles now - the formula and taste has finally been settled.

Elliptical Envy
05-26-2007, 11:21 PM
Glad you are pleased with it.

Hard to set a concrete ETA on CVM Xtreme, but its down to labels and bottles now - the formula and taste has finally been settled.

This will be the bomb when it comes out. :cool:

XCriticalBenchX
05-27-2007, 08:30 AM
Looks nice! That would def come in handle finals week in college!

Mike

Elliptical Envy
05-27-2007, 10:03 AM
Looks nice! That would def come in handle finals week in college!

Mike

Focus XT would rock in that situation. I hope you try some out to see how it works for you.

Elijah_MB
05-30-2007, 06:19 AM
you sure have. Don't worry- I certainly haven't forgotten about you and you're patience will be rewarded :) CVM labels have been printed up, and is in production as we speak.

and thanks for the support!!

Haha, thanx Blap. SNS is topnotch and top quality. I loved Cre E2 Matrix and still love FXT.

Glad you are pleased with it.

Hard to set a concrete ETA on CVM Xtreme, but its down to labels and bottles now - the formula and taste has finally been settled.

*wipes drool from mouth* :)


This will be the bomb when it comes out. :cool:
amen

Elliptical Envy
09-05-2007, 08:30 PM
Just wanted to give this a bump.

B P Spin
09-05-2007, 08:37 PM
I will get my Focus XT and Phenibut XT tomorrow, according to UPS (XT) tracking info!

Yes, I'm excited. I haven't been this excited since, well, since my last supp shipment.

:( It looks like I shoulda ordered some Piracetam or Aricetam, too. Dammit.

I was wondering a few things, though:
How will the Focus and Phenibut affect libido?
How do they interact with, say, Aspire36?

Bloute
09-05-2007, 08:39 PM
I will get my Focus XT and Phenibut XT tomorrow, according to UPS (XT) tracking info!

Yes, I'm excited. I haven't been this excited since, well, since my last supp shipment.

:( It looks like I shoulda ordered some Piracetam or Aricetam, too. Dammit.

I was wondering a few things, though:
How will the Focus and Phenibut affect libido?
How do they interact with, say, Aspire36?

No problem with libido.

Dont take too much Focus XT with Aspire 36. I would start with 1/2 scoop.

I wish you will keep a log with focus XT !

B P Spin
09-05-2007, 08:50 PM
Bloute, I think my use would be so sporadic that my log would suck.

I was just curious how it interacts with other stuff. I plan on experimenting
a lot with when (time of day, frequency, etc.) I take the Focus and Phenibut and the amounts I take of each. And, I'm using other supps, too. So I'll see how it goes with them, too.

Travis71902
09-05-2007, 08:50 PM
I liked this product.

Elliptical Envy
09-05-2007, 09:00 PM
I will get my Focus XT and Phenibut XT tomorrow, according to UPS (XT) tracking info!

Yes, I'm excited. I haven't been this excited since, well, since my last supp shipment.

:( It looks like I shoulda ordered some Piracetam or Aricetam, too. Dammit.

I was wondering a few things, though:
How will the Focus and Phenibut affect libido?
How do they interact with, say, Aspire36?

Focus XT and Phenibut have no negative effects on libido that I have noticed.

I wouldn't take Focus XT along with Aspire because Focus XT contains "stimulants" that could cause a rapid heartbeat or other potential side effects. :)

If you have any questions feel free to shoot me a PM or an e-mail. Thanks for your purchase. :)

Elliptical Envy
09-05-2007, 09:01 PM
I liked this product.

Thanks for the feedback.

More thumbs up icons from me.

B P Spin
09-05-2007, 09:17 PM
More thumbs up icons from me.

Is that a threat?

(By the way, the reason I asked about libido was that some people reported
being relaxed with Phenibut. It just seemed that it would have some sort of affect on libido, positive or negative. I dunno, it's just what I thought.)

EDIT: Oh, I know what I was going to ask you: I use Ragnarok (with cafeine version) pre-workout.
Taking Focus XT also would be too much, yes?

Bloute
09-05-2007, 09:23 PM
Is that a threat?

(By the way, the reason I asked about libido was that some people reported
being relaxed with Phenibut. It just seemed that it would have some sort of affect on libido, positive or negative. I dunno, it's just what I thought.)

EDIT: Oh, I know what I was going to ask you: I use Ragnarok (with cafeine version) pre-workout.
Taking Focus XT also would be too much, yes?

400 mg of caffeine is too much for me ! I would take 1/2 scoop of Focus if you want to use it.

Also, Focus XT caffeine free may comes on the market in the future !

Blast_
09-05-2007, 09:23 PM
Excellent product for school! :)

Elliptical Envy
09-05-2007, 09:25 PM
Is that a threat?

(By the way, the reason I asked about libido was that some people reported
being relaxed with Phenibut. It just seemed that it would have some sort of affect on libido, positive or negative. I dunno, it's just what I thought.)

EDIT: Oh, I know what I was going to ask you: I use Ragnarok (with cafeine version) pre-workout.
Taking Focus XT also would be too much, yes?

Oh I understand. I've never had an issue with libido and I have taken up to 4 caps at once.

I would use like 1/2 scoop of Focus XT with Ragnarok because that contains caffeine as well of other nootropics as well. :)

B P Spin
09-05-2007, 09:32 PM
Also, Focus XT caffeine free may comes on the market in the future !

O'Rly?
:D


I would use like 1/2 scoop of Focus XT with Ragnarok because that contains caffeine as well of other nootropics as well. :)

Got it.

Thanks, Bloute and envy.

Elliptical Envy
09-05-2007, 09:34 PM
Thank you for your purchase B P!

Focus XT might go under some great changes in the future so we will keep you all posted.

AronP24
09-05-2007, 09:36 PM
Thank you for your purchase B P!

Focus XT might go under some great changes in the future so we will keep you all posted.

hopefully a bigger tub! I'm on my second tub in a month...sheesh...(yes addicted)

Bloute
09-05-2007, 09:40 PM
hopefully a bigger tub! I'm on my second tub in a month...sheesh...(yes addicted)

As soon as you use it, you are addict. :D It is the best supp I used for studying purpose ! :)

Elliptical Envy
09-05-2007, 09:49 PM
hopefully a bigger tub! I'm on my second tub in a month...sheesh...(yes addicted)

That might happen....:D

B P Spin
09-05-2007, 09:50 PM
I look forward to the new SNS developments.

And, envy, I'm going to have to give your log (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=3258281) another look to dig deeper into nootropics. :)

Elliptical Envy
09-05-2007, 09:57 PM
I look forward to the new SNS developments.

And, envy, I'm going to have to give your log (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=3258281) another look to dig deeper into nootropics. :)

Well let me know if you have any questions about them. :)

Elliptical Envy
09-08-2007, 11:44 PM
Has anyone tried Focus XT with some added carb source like maltodextrin, dextrose, WMS, or palatinose?

SNS8778
09-09-2007, 03:22 PM
Has anyone tried Focus XT with some added carb source like maltodextrin, dextrose, WMS, or palatinose?

I use it with Cytomax pre workout. It is a great combo, but I cant really say that either enhances the other though.

Elliptical Envy
09-09-2007, 06:34 PM
I use it with Cytomax pre workout. It is a great combo, but I cant really say that either enhances the other though.

That is what I was looking for. I might try to add additional carbs to Focus XT to see if I notice any difference. :)