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matpal
06-14-2006, 11:10 AM
Introducing Omega Sports BURN3D



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What's in it?
Each serving contains 800mg TTA, 800mg Green Tea supplying 400mg EGCG, and 100mg of Forskolii supplying 20mg Forslean.

How many servings does each bottle have and how long will each bottle last?
There are 90 servings per bottle and should last a full 30 days.

Does BURN3D contain any stimulants or caffeine at all?
No. BURN3D is unique in that it is one of the extremely few fat-burners that do not contain stimulants that actually work.

But wouldn't it make sense to add caffeine to help combat lethargy associated with TTA?
It could, but we wanted to leave that option open to our customers. Plus, virtually every product on the market has caffeine in it; and way too much at that. BURN3d was designed so that you can take it at any point throughout the day, or even right before bed time.

I've never taken a TTA supplement before. Should I use BURN3D?
TTA is not for everyone. This included persons that are allergic to sulfur containing compounds. Furthermore, TTA can cause quite debilitating cramps in a slight number of users who do not keep properly hydrated. We recommend you start with 2 servings daily to assess your tolerance and always consumer enough fluids and electrolytes.

Can I stack this with another fat-burner?
If you do so, we recommend you use extreme caution and start with 1/2 the dose of each product.

Why am I not loosing any weight on BURN3D?
Many people retain lots of water while on TTA. To make a final judgement on the product, wait until 3-7 days after you discontinue it to see how much water weight you drop.

I'm worried that my strength will be in the toilet during my cutting cycle. Can BURN3D help me?
Yes it can. BURN3D contains Forslean, patented by Sabinsa labs. Forslean has been shown to increase LBM up to 8 pounds in 6 weeks while subjects simultaneously lost body fat. BURN3D can truly create a dual pronged attack to help you achieve a noticeable recomposition.

I take prescription medication. Can I use BURN3D?
NO. Always check with your doctor.

I am pregnant, nursing or I may become pregnant. Can I use BURN3D?
Absolutely not.

I have a minor medical or emotional condition. Can I use BURN3D?
NO. Always check with your doctor.

I occasionally partake in recreational drugs or moderately heavy drinking. Can I use BURN3D?
NO. Go home and smoke your doobie, hippie.

When will BURN3D be available at Bodybuilding.com?
BURN3D should be in the cyberstore early next week.

How much will BURN3D cost?
BURN3D should retail at BB.com for about $35-$42.

How much weight can I really expect to loose on BURN3D?
Initial user feedback indicates that with a sound diet and cardio program, you can loose anywhere from 3-10 pounds in 4 weeks with noticeable improvements in strength and composition. Because BURN3D may result in an increase in LBM, the total weight lost may be less than other products, but we think you're smart enough to realize which is a better scenario.

What kind of diet do you recommend whilst using BURN3D?
Any diet that will allow to to achieve an approximate 500 calorie deficit that does not total cut out carbohydrates. We have found that the total exclusion of carbs can greatly increase soreness and cramps while using TTA based products such as BURN3D.

Why does Omega Sports rock so hard?
That's just how we roll.

I have heard a lot of good things about the "Omega Sports Beta Thermogenic" but cannot find it anymore. Is BURN3D comparable?
BURN3D is actually the culmination of the beta product. It is exactly the same except for a slightly lower dose of Forslean per serving to help alleviate gastrointestinal distress. The final version of BURN3D also has 90 servings per bottle as opposed to 60.



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Blap Blaow
06-14-2006, 11:18 AM
I occasionally partake in recreational drugs or moderately heavy drinking. Can I use BURN3D?
NO. Go home and smoke your doobie, hippie.
LOL!!

Looks like very nice combo. Like the fact it's non-stimulant too.

-PHAGE-
06-14-2006, 11:18 AM
Sick Product Bad Label

matpal
06-14-2006, 11:23 AM
I happen to think the label is the balls.

matpal
06-14-2006, 11:24 AM
LOL!!

Looks like very nice combo. Like the fact it's non-stimulant too.

Gotta make sure people are actually reading this thing. :)

-PHAGE-
06-14-2006, 11:25 AM
I happen to think the label is the balls.
Hard to decide wether you are refering to good or bad.
I think this product rapes every other TTA product.

Assuming same TTA content as Melting Point:
Also, to Pu12, is it ok if I add BURN3D to the chart?

matpal
06-14-2006, 11:28 AM
I mean I really like the label; I feel it is quite an improvement over our current ones.

Did you mean it was bad?

matpal
06-14-2006, 11:30 AM
***Write up and studies will be posted in the following days. On paper, these three ingredients stacks so darn well together to create continual fat loss, it is almost scary.

-PHAGE-
06-14-2006, 11:33 AM
I mean I really like the label; I feel it is quite an improvement over our current ones.

Did you mean it was bad?
Yeah no offense it just doesnt look so appealing and BURN3D is such a typical name

matpal
06-14-2006, 11:42 AM
Yeah, I know but burned, burn 3D, 3 ingredients...kinda worked for this one.

-PHAGE-
06-14-2006, 11:43 AM
Yeah, I know but burned, burn 3D, 3 ingredients...kinda worked for this one.
Yeah
Big Problem:
If it hits vitamin shoppe/gnc, noobs wont buy cuz they dunno wtf it does =\

TimoteoS
06-14-2006, 11:47 AM
This is an awesome product with three great ingredients that have a very nice synergy when used together....

drewkowsky
06-14-2006, 11:47 AM
I like the label matpal

P01Shooter
06-14-2006, 11:52 AM
Yeah
Big Problem:
If it hits vitamin shoppe/gnc, noobs wont buy cuz they dunno wtf it does =\

Huh?

It's burned with a 3 in there. I think you'd be hard pressed to find a fat burner named "fat loser capsules". Hell, the new guys will buy what the sales person tells them or what they see in the magazines so that really doesn't matter.

-PHAGE-
06-14-2006, 11:54 AM
Huh?

It's burned with a 3 in there. I think you'd be hard pressed to find a fat burner named "fat loser capsules". Hell, the new guys will buy what the sales person tells them or what they see in the magazines so that really doesn't matter.
Nobody outside of bb forums really knows what forslean/tta/gte does.
When I started off, I ignored GTE compeltely too.


I like the label matpal
Too bad testing is over.

HalleluYAH
06-14-2006, 11:56 AM
Why am I not loosing any weight on BURN3D?
Many people retain lots of water while on TTA. To make a final judgement on the product, wait until 3-7 days after you discontinue it to see how much water weight you drop.
Excellent point.

Additionally, from what I've heard and from personal experience, it takes up to two weeks for TTA to cross the lipid membrane and become efficacious.

drewkowsky
06-14-2006, 12:07 PM
Too bad testing is over.
What do you mean?

Dye
06-14-2006, 12:14 PM
Will this be safe to use with my Hyperdrol cycle? I should i wait till im done with my 8 week cycle. Im still in a cutting phase atm.

size
06-14-2006, 12:20 PM
Matpal...
Not that it matters but I think the label looks great.

matpal
06-14-2006, 12:26 PM
Thanks.

Ya know...names, labels, scantily clad women in the ads...none of it really matters anyway. Now that we are planning national print ads, I find myself hating the idea of having to market to the lowest common denominator of people's intelligence. Hate it. It is was up to me, I'd name it "Fat Burning Formula 1" with a black and white label and the entire industry would be like this so you'd actually have to have a decant formula that would sell and customers who actually cared what they are putting in their bodies.

qw3r
06-14-2006, 12:29 PM
Nobody outside of bb forums really knows what forslean/tta/gte does.
When I started off, I ignored GTE compeltely too.


???

what part of burn3d does not scream out FAT LOSS SUPPLEMENT to you? no one is going to confuse this one for a sleep aid or a nitric oxide supp. the regulars at gnc obviously arent going to know exactly what forslean/tta/gte do; hell, the majority of employees themselves have no idea. do you even know the difference between whey, casein, egg, and soy proteins? not bashing at all, but you have to understand that we all start somewhere and burn3d is as obvious of a name as it gets in regards to giving at least some clue as to what the product does.

as for packaging, i like the label but would prefer to see a clear bottle with yellow and red pills, but DS spoils me.

matpal
06-14-2006, 12:32 PM
as for packaging, i like the label but would prefer to see a clear bottle with yellow and red pills


Ohhhh....I likey!

Azaloth
06-14-2006, 12:39 PM
Matpal,

As you know, I'm a huge fan of Thunder and I just ordered 3 more bottles as well as a bottle of Lightning. This product looks very interesting but I'm in sort of a unique situation...

I'm currently bulking and am absolutely focused on gaining strength and LEAN muscle mass. Normally I ignore any sort of fatloss/stim products since I'm somewhere between 7-8% bodyfat right now. However, since this is an Omega product and you claim it could actually increase strength, I'd be interesting in hearing your thoughts about how it would fit into a lean bulking program.

In about 16 months, I've gone from 150 lbs. @ 6-7% bodyfat to 173 lbs. @ 7-8% bodyfat and significantly increased strength. I seem to be able to bulk without getting fat but I've been a scrawny kid all my life and I notice that 1% increase quite a bit. I'd love to keep bulking without going above 8% bodyfat if possible and its critically important to me that I continue to gain strength as well.

Do you think BURN3D would be helpful for someone in my situation?

Thanks.

qw3r
06-14-2006, 12:39 PM
Ohhhh....I likey!

i know as an educated consumer i shouldnt be suckered in by pretty packaging, fancy words, and big numbers, but there is something about looking at their bottles lined up with a handful of vibrant multi-colored pills that excites me. plus, as they have said, it really is rather convienent to not easily mix up one pill for another when practically everything is white, red, or white and red.

btw, what color are burn3d pills?

:D

Coulaid
06-14-2006, 12:41 PM
Looks very good. Will you be switching all of your black like burn3d?

HalleluYAH
06-14-2006, 12:45 PM
Hard to decide wether you are refering to good or bad.
I think this product rapes every other TTA product.

There is no forskolin in MP, a main ingredient in BURN3D

Not sure what you are talking about? :confused:

HYPEBEAST
06-14-2006, 12:46 PM
There is no forskolin in MP, a main ingredient in BURN3D

Not sure what you are talking about? :confused:
At 3 servings a day, you get 2.6g TTA.
Melting Point, at 6 caps a day probably gives 2.6g TTA.
Here, its cheaper, and it has GTE and Forslean. You dig?

TimoteoS
06-14-2006, 12:47 PM
Welcome back max, glad to see you supporting matt

matpal
06-14-2006, 12:49 PM
i know as an educated consumer i shouldnt be suckered in by pretty packaging, fancy words, and big numbers, but there is something about looking at their bottles lined up with a handful of vibrant multi-colored pills that excites me. plus, as they have said, it really is rather convienent to not easily mix up one pill for another when practically everything is white, red, or white and red.

btw, what color are burn3d pills?

:D


White, baby!

This first run was already late, so I just wanted them finished.

HalleluYAH
06-14-2006, 12:50 PM
Yeah, I know but burned, burn 3D, 3 ingredients...kinda worked for this one.
Matt, this guy is prolly a shill/troll. His very first post on bb.bom was in this thread. Pa~leeease.

matpal
06-14-2006, 12:51 PM
Looks very good. Will you be switching all of your black like burn3d?


Probably...or at least something different from what they are now.

HYPEBEAST
06-14-2006, 12:53 PM
Matt, this guy is prolly a shill/troll. His very first post on bb.bom was in this thread. Pa~leeease.
I made that thread.
The label does look bad though, I didnt mean to offend you.
It wont appeal newbs, and the ingredients will confuse them.
However, it is indeed the best TTA product on the market.

Jaxxxon
06-14-2006, 12:54 PM
I've already purchased 2 of these from another site...

:eek:

I do look forward to comparing it to my previous run of Melting Point.

:D

P.S. The label looks fine to me!

HalleluYAH
06-14-2006, 12:58 PM
Matpal,

As you know, I'm a huge fan of Thunder and I just ordered 3 more bottles as well as a bottle of Lightning. This product looks very interesting but I'm in sort of a unique situation...

I'm currently bulking and am absolutely focused on gaining strength and LEAN muscle mass. Normally I ignore any sort of fatloss/stim products since I'm somewhere between 7-8% bodyfat right now. However, since this is an Omega product and you claim it could actually increase strength, I'd be interesting in hearing your thoughts about how it would fit into a lean bulking program.

In about 16 months, I've gone from 150 lbs. @ 6-7% bodyfat to 173 lbs. @ 7-8% bodyfat and significantly increased strength. I seem to be able to bulk without getting fat but I've been a scrawny kid all my life and I notice that 1% increase quite a bit. I'd love to keep bulking without going above 8% bodyfat if possible and its critically important to me that I continue to gain strength as well.

Do you think BURN3D would be helpful for someone in my situation?

Thanks.
forskolin supplementation has been shown to increase cAMP production...

This might help... Lonny referred me to this excellent on-topipc article by Nandi...

Forskolin, cAMP, and Testosterone Production

Testosterone is produced in testicular Leydig cells when LH binds to surface receptors and initiates a signaling cascade involving elevated levels of cAMP. This cascade leads ultimately to increased levels of StAR (4), an important Leydig cell cholesterol transfer protein (testosterone is made from cholesterol) and activation of steroidogenic enzymes involved in testosterone production (5). So by elevating levels of cAMP, (with forskolin) an intermediate in the signaling cascade that ranges from LH binding to testosterone production, we should see an increase in testosterone output. This may be particularly important for those of us who are feeling the effects of aging. In a study by Chen et.al.,(6) the authors looked at cAMP levels in young and old rats, and found that testosterone production declined with age as a function of declining cAMP levels. So something is keeping LH from elevating cAMP and inducing steroidogenesis is aging rats. Notably, in the older rats, cAMP levels were restored to youthful levels upon administration of forskolin. The authors speculate that free radical damage at some step in the LH-cAMP signaling cascade lessens the ability of LH to elevate cAMP and produce testosterone. So in addition to forskolin use, regular use of a good free radical quencher might help to maintain testosterone production in aging men at youthful levels.

Considering post cycle therapy once again, testicular atrophy, along with reduced levels of GnRH and LH production all need to be brought back to normal. Presumably testicular atrophy implies a reduced density of LH receptors, and hence a lessened ability to elevate cAMP and induce steroidogenesis. Forskolin, by bypassing the LH receptor, can directly elevate cAMP and induce steroidogenesis, bringing testosterone production back to normal much more quickly.

Thus far we have looked at forskolin induced testosterone production in men. Might forskolin have the same effect in women? Animal models suggest yes. In the rat ovary, forskolin stimulated production of progesterone and testosterone in a pattern similar to that produced by LH. Interestingly, when the ovarian tissue was pretreated with LH, it became desensitized to further LH stimulation. When forskolin was added the desensitization was abolished (7), suggesting that women (as well as men) can elevate their natural testosterone production with the use of forskolin, while at the same time burning fat.

One of the most attractive features of forskolin is its safety record. It has been a staple of traditional medicine for millennia, and is widely used in modern scientific studies employing humans. For women (and men) who wish to avoid the side effects of pharmaceutical anabolic and fat burning agents (e.g. T3 and DNP) and use a mild, natural, and proven safe supplement, forskolin would be a logical choice. Its effects might be likened to those of the relatively weak androgen Anavar, but at a significantly lower cost and most likely fewer side effects.

Thus far we have presented some possible mechanisms whereby forskolin, by elevating cAMP, promotes anabolism. Elevations in cAMP are also responsible for limiting catabolism of skeletal muscle as well. Muscle wasting is a characteristic of numerous disease states, as well as muscle disuse. AAS users are all too familiar with the latter effect, when hard-earned gains rapidly disappear post-cycle. Much of this atrophy is caused by the action of the so-called calpains. The calpains are a family of calcium dependent enzymes that degrade unused muscle tissue. Calpains in turn are inhibited by another endogenous compound called calpastatin. How is this related to forskolin? It turns out that calpastatin is upregulated by cAMP (8). Thus not only does forskolin promote anabolism, it slows muscle catabolism when muscle is not being used extensively. This would be expected to be important when a person is immobilized or unable to train due to injury, or is simply unable to maintain the rigorous training regimen off cycle that they adhered to while on AAS. So we have another potential mechanism whereby forskolin staves off post cycle muscle loss. It should be noted that even though reference (8) deals specifically with bovine calpains/calpastatin, the two are ubiquitous in all mammalian tissues, including human skeletal muscle, and calpastatin is cAMP dependent in all tissues thus far examined.
References from above article...


4. Luo L, Chen H, Zirkin BR 2001 Leydig cell aging: steroidogenic acute regulatory protein (StAR) and cholesterol side-chain cleavage enzyme. J Androl 22:149–156

5. Luo L, Chen H, Zirkin BR 1996 Are Leydig cell steroidogenic enzymes differentially regulated with aging? J Androl 17:509–515

6. Chen H, Hardy MP, Zirkin BR 2002 Age-related decreases in Leydig cell testosterone production are not restored by exposure to LH in vitro. Endocrinology.May;143(5):1637-42.

7. Hedin L, Rosberg S. 1983 forskolin effects on the cAMP system and steroidogenesis in the immature rat ovary. Mol Cell Endocrinol. Nov;33(1):69-80.

8. Cong M, Goll DE, Antin PB. cAMP responsiveness of the bovine calpastatin gene promoter. Biochim Biophys Acta. 1998 Nov 26;1443(1-2):186-92.

matpal
06-14-2006, 12:58 PM
Matpal,

As you know, I'm a huge fan of Thunder and I just ordered 3 more bottles as well as a bottle of Lightning. This product looks very interesting but I'm in sort of a unique situation...

I'm currently bulking and am absolutely focused on gaining strength and LEAN muscle mass. Normally I ignore any sort of fatloss/stim products since I'm somewhere between 7-8% bodyfat right now. However, since this is an Omega product and you claim it could actually increase strength, I'd be interesting in hearing your thoughts about how it would fit into a lean bulking program.

In about 16 months, I've gone from 150 lbs. @ 6-7% bodyfat to 173 lbs. @ 7-8% bodyfat and significantly increased strength. I seem to be able to bulk without getting fat but I've been a scrawny kid all my life and I notice that 1% increase quite a bit. I'd love to keep bulking without going above 8% bodyfat if possible and its critically important to me that I continue to gain strength as well.

Do you think BURN3D would be helpful for someone in my situation?

Thanks.

I very much appreciate the support; thanks very much!

Also, you've made some very impressive progress so far.

We did have one tester who used it on a lean bulking program while training for bench competitions, I believe. My personal feeling is that you could most likely do it in the short term (4 weeks or less) but anything longer than that, or if you have overly sensitive reactions to TTA, it would start to hinder your workouts and therefore strength and LBM gains.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=771668

What you could actually do to be safe is either half dose it until you are very comfortable with how your body will react to it, or what I will do sometimes is just get the straight Forslean caps and dose those. The effects are quite subtle, but once I stop I can really start to tell how much they helped.

adoniscomplex
06-14-2006, 01:00 PM
It wont appeal newbs, and the ingredients will confuse them.
i dont think any real newbies even look at ingerdiants they listen to the gnc/vitamin shoppe guy or they listen to a friend who is totally "jacked"

HalleluYAH
06-14-2006, 01:00 PM
At 3 servings a day, you get 2.6g TTA.
Melting Point, at 6 caps a day probably gives 2.6g TTA.
Here, its cheaper, and it has GTE and Forslean. You dig?
I was referring to the shill's comment that BURN3D is a MP knock-off.

Azaloth
06-14-2006, 01:16 PM
Thanks HalleluYAH and Matpal for the useful info and interestiny study. I'll definitely consider giving a lower dose of BURN3D a try.

I'm totally pumped for my Lightning bottle to arrive too. I can't believe I never heard about it until a few days ago. You guys really need to be more shameless and aggressive with your marketing (without sacrificing integrity of course).... I somehow know about all kinds of junk products I have no interest in but Lightning (which I placed an order for literally 2 minutes after reading the ingredients) was under my radar for months!!!!

p0fell0w
06-14-2006, 01:33 PM
how many servings a day should you take to get the best results?

HalleluYAH
06-14-2006, 01:38 PM
how many servings a day should you take to get the best results?
2-3 doses per day should suffice IMO.

matpal
06-14-2006, 01:39 PM
Thanks HalleluYAH and Matpal for the useful info and interestiny study. I'll definitely consider giving a lower dose of BURN3D a try.

I'm totally pumped for my Lightning bottle to arrive too. I can't believe I never heard about it until a few days ago. You guys really need to be more shameless and aggressive with your marketing (without sacrificing integrity of course).... I somehow know about all kinds of junk products I have no interest in but Lightning (which I placed an order for literally 2 minutes after reading the ingredients) was under my radar for months!!!!

Awesome!

Self-promotion is not something I am very good at.

Did you get a chance to read through the logs for the Lightning testers?
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=10264054&postcount=9

p0fell0w
06-14-2006, 03:08 PM
i have one more question about this product....it looks very good for burning fat but does it make you wanna eat less food throughout the day?

qw3r
06-14-2006, 03:14 PM
I was referring to the shill's comment that BURN3D is a MP knock-off.

phage, hypebeast, and omgitzmaxxx (or whatever) are one in the same.

size
06-14-2006, 03:38 PM
Hypebeast/phage/???

You were warned about having numerous user names and banned before. Now you are banned again.

HalleluYAH
06-14-2006, 05:51 PM
i have one more question about this product....it looks very good for burning fat but does it make you wanna eat less food throughout the day?
I have not noticed much appetite suppresion with TTA. However, what effect forskolin and GTE would have on appetite, I can not say.

matpal
06-14-2006, 08:14 PM
i have one more question about this product....it looks very good for burning fat but does it make you wanna eat less food throughout the day?


TTA makes some have quite a voracious appetite after 2 or so weeks of use.

matpal
06-14-2006, 08:15 PM
Hypebeast/phage/???

You were warned about having numerous user names and banned before. Now you are banned again.


Was hoping he was going to turn over a new leaf...

HalleluYAH
06-15-2006, 05:37 AM
Tetradecylthioacetic acid prevents high fat diet induced adiposity and insulin resistance.

Tetradecylthioacetic acid (TTA) is a non--oxidizable fatty acid analog, which potently regulates lipid homeostasis. Here we evaluate the ability of TTA to prevent diet-induced and genetically determined adiposity and insulin resistance. In Wistar rats fed a high fat diet, TTA administration completely prevented diet-induced insulin resistance and adiposity. In genetically obese Zucker (fa/fa) rats TTA treatment reduced the epididymal adipose tissue mass and improved insulin sensitivity. All three rodent peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor (PPAR) subtypes were activated by TTA in the ranking order PPAR > PPAR > PPAR. Expression of PPAR target genes in adipose tissue was unaffected by TTA treatment, whereas the hepatic expression of PPAR-responsive genes encoding enzymes involved in fatty acid uptake, transport, and oxidation was induced. This was accompanied by increased hepatic mitochondrial -oxidation and a decreased fatty acid/ketone body ratio in plasma. These findings indicate that PPAR-dependent mechanisms play a pivotal role, but additionally, the involvement of PPAR-independent pathways is conceivable. Taken together, our results suggest that a TTA-induced increase in hepatic fatty acid oxidation and ketogenesis drains fatty acids from blood and extrahepatic tissues and that this contributes significantly to the beneficial effects of TTA on fat mass accumulation and peripheral insulin sensitivity.[/QUOTE]


Modulation of rat liver apolipoprotein gene expression and serum lipid levels by tetradecylthioacetic acid (TTA) via PPAR activation

3-Thia fatty acids are modified fatty acids that promote hepatic peroxisome proliferation and decrease serum triacylglycerol, cholesterol and free fatty acid levels in rats. In vivo administration of tetradecylthioacetic acid (TTA) to rats led to a significant decrease in liver apolipoproteins apoA-I, A-II, A-IV, and C-III mRNA levels, and to an increase of liver acyl-CoA oxidase (ACO), carnitine palmitoyltransferase-II, and 3-hydroxy-3-methylglutaryl coenzyme A synthase (HMG-CoA synthase) mRNA levels and activities. By contrast, no significant changes of lipoprotein lipase (LPL) mRNA levels were detected in rat epididymal adipose tissue. Liver carnitine palmitoyltransferase-I, apoB, apoE, and LDL receptor mRNA levels were not significantly affected. When tested in vitro, TTA increased rat ACO and carnitine palmitoyltransferase-I mRNA levels in primary rat hepatocytes and also LPL mRNA levels in 3T3-L1 preadipocytes. TTA also enhanced the transcriptional activity of chimeras containing the DNA binding domain of the yeast transcription factor Gal4 fused to the ligand binding domain of either human PPAR or human PPAR. The effect depended on the concentration tested and the cell type.

In conclusion, our data suggest that in vitro, TTA activates both PPAR and PPAR, but the latter with much lower affinity. TTA affects serum lipid levels in vivo in rats by acting mainly on the liver via PPAR where it decreases the liver expression of genes involved in vascular lipid transport and increases the expression of genes involved in intracellular fatty acid metabolism.[/QUOTE]

HalleluYAH
06-15-2006, 05:41 AM
btw, my waistline is down 1 full inch after 3-1/2 weeks of supplementing with TTA. being that it can take 2+ weeks for TTA to become fully efficacious, almost the entire inch has come within the last week and a half. I have two weeks left on the cycle, so I am believing this trend will continue or even speed up.

matpal
06-15-2006, 06:00 AM
You still on the carb cycling program? If so how do you feel on the low carb days?

sjl25
06-15-2006, 07:06 AM
Great to see a well thought out formula without caffiene. I bought a bottle of the beta version and liked it alot.

Awesome product Matpal!

HalleluYAH
06-15-2006, 07:10 AM
You still on the carb cycling program? If so how do you feel on the low carb days?
I am pretty much on a low carb diet (period) these days, with a weekly refeed. I am consuming about 125-175g of CHO per day, and perhaps 250g ono the weekly refeed. Nothing too noticeable in terms of appetite change, although it appears that appetite/metabolism has increased slightly.

Stonecoldtruth
06-15-2006, 07:12 AM
Matpal,

Sorry for being so slow in finding this thread but I am quite intrigued by this product. I have been planning a few supplement trials mixing and matching various ingredients to try to find the IDEAL bulk Fat-Burner. I must note that these three ingredients pretty much topped the list.

Once I finished this sponsored log I'm on I'll probably pick up a bottle. Good job on the label bro!

Cheers,
SCT

nni
06-15-2006, 07:32 AM
Each serving contains 120mg of Forskolii supplying 20mg Forslean.

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the #'s don't match matpal.

HalleluYAH
06-15-2006, 07:38 AM
the #'s don't match matpal.
How so?

:confused:

sjl25
06-15-2006, 07:43 AM
the #'s don't match matpal.

I believe the beta version had 120 mg. of Forskolii. The new version has 100 mg.

matpal
06-15-2006, 07:46 AM
Correct. As said I lowered it because that much forslean doubles as a super potent laxative.

Edit---I see, NNI; thanks. The 120 was the beta version. I'll correct that now.

matpal
06-15-2006, 07:55 AM
Matpal,

Sorry for being so slow in finding this thread but I am quite intrigued by this product. I have been planning a few supplement trials mixing and matching various ingredients to try to find the IDEAL bulk Fat-Burner. I must note that these three ingredients pretty much topped the list.

Once I finished this sponsored log I'm on I'll probably pick up a bottle. Good job on the label bro!

Cheers,
SCT

Awesome; I think you'll be impressed. Here is a log from a lean bulk...I haven't kept up on it, but he's pretty thorough.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=771668

nni
06-15-2006, 07:55 AM
Correct. As said I lowered it because that much forslean doubles as a super potent laxative.

Edit---I see, NNI; thanks. The 120 was the beta version. I'll correct that now.

no prob, :)

matpal
06-16-2006, 08:14 AM
Bump for any more questions.

p0fell0w
06-16-2006, 12:18 PM
can you stack burn3d with lighting and thunder from omega sports? and if you can how would the stack look like? ex. morning, afternoon, and night?

HalleluYAH
06-16-2006, 12:57 PM
can you stack burn3d with lighting and thunder from omega sports? and if you can how would the stack look like? ex. morning, afternoon, and night?
Something like this should suffice...

Pre-Breakfast - BURN3D, 1/2 Dose Thunder/Lightning
Pre-Workout - Full Dose Thunder/Lightning
Pre-Dinner - BURN3D
Pre-Post Bed Meal - BURN3D

p0fell0w
06-16-2006, 01:33 PM
Something like this should suffice...

Pre-Breakfast - BURN3D, 1/2 Dose Thunder/Lightning
Pre-Workout - Full Dose Thunder/Lightning
Pre-Dinner - BURN3D
Pre-Post Bed Meal - BURN3D
how about if i want to take 2 servings of burn3d to start off? would i just skip the pre-dinner and just take burn3d in the morning and night? also what is the half life of this product? if i take it at 9:00 am what time would i expect it to stop working ?

HalleluYAH
06-16-2006, 01:38 PM
how about if i want to take 2 servings of burn3d to start off? would i just skip the pre-dinner and just take burn3d in the morning and night? also what is the half life of this product? if i take it at 9:00 am what time would i expect it to stop working ?
From what I have read, I believe the half life of TTA is 12 hours.

I like to take TTA pre dinner and with breakfast. However, I have been taking a third dose before my pre bedtime cottage cheese.

If you are going to eat a high fat meal for dinner, then I take the BURN3D pre dinner reather than pre bed.

spoonman
06-16-2006, 01:51 PM
Flawless!

Ive been wanting to try a TTA product but none have sold me until Burn3d came out. 3 proven fatburning ingredients that are non-stim in 1 product....couldnt ask for more.

I think this may have been asked but there are 270 caps in a bottle???

HalleluYAH
06-16-2006, 02:09 PM
Flawless!

Ive been wanting to try a TTA product but none have sold me until Burn3d came out. 3 proven fatburning ingredients that are non-stim in 1 product....couldnt ask for more.

I think this may have been asked but there are 270 caps in a bottle???
Thanks spoonman. TTA is definitely worth trying. I am on my first full cycle of TTA now. It took a couple of weeks for eficacy to kick in (for TTA to cross the lipid membrane), but since then, the fat loss has been rapid. I have lost nearly 1 full inch in my waistline in just two weeks.

matpal
06-16-2006, 02:21 PM
Yes, 270 caps per bottle.

WuNLuvBo0mR
06-16-2006, 03:00 PM
how effective would it be to stack with EC? also, how safe?

spoonman
06-16-2006, 05:06 PM
how effective would it be to stack with EC? also, how safe?

this thread is called the Burn3d FAQ...FAQ stands for Frequently Asked Questions.

In case you were wondering, yours falls under that category....go back and read the original post

matpal
06-17-2006, 07:58 AM
how effective would it be to stack with EC? also, how safe?

YOu can certainly use it to combat lethargy, but we'd advise 1/2 the dose of each until you are sure how you will react to the stack.

matpal
06-19-2006, 11:26 AM
Will this be safe to use with my Hyperdrol cycle? I should i wait till im done with my 8 week cycle. Im still in a cutting phase atm.

Sorry I missed this.

It should be no problem to combine with Hyperdrol...but depending on what forskolii extract they are using, it may cause excessive bowel movements.

matpal
06-19-2006, 11:43 AM
I've already purchased 2 of these from another site...

:eek:

I do look forward to comparing it to my previous run of Melting Point.

:D

P.S. The label looks fine to me!

Have you started using this yet?

qw3r
06-21-2006, 01:10 AM
im sorry if this has already been asked, but here i go anyway:

i noticed there is a VERY large amount of egcg per serving of burn3d compared to any other egcg product out there. your claim is that you need at least 375mg of egcg per serving to surpass the saturation barrier and maximize efficiency, but i have never heard this before and it down right contradicts every other egcg product out there's serving suggestions. now im not doubting you, but this is very new to me.

anyway, my question is is there a ceiling to egcg intake during a single serving? for example, you need to take at least 375mg egcg but no more than 1 gram every 6 hours? im trying to figure out if i would still see benefit combining burn3d with even more of my staple egcg supplementation or if burn3d basically replaces it for the duration of said cycle.

thank you.

matpal
06-21-2006, 06:15 AM
Excellent questions.

I am unsure if there is a ceiling or maximum saturation point on EGCG or not. When I post the write up, I'll include references to the 375mg reaching the bloodstream faster. Everything we have seen would allude to a hevay dose of EGCG needed to really inhibit COMT and get fat-loss into full swing.

p0fell0w
06-21-2006, 12:33 PM
i just purchased burn3d from another retailer and it came with a bottle of omega lean support for free. I plan on keeping a log with this product and i'll keep a day by day log of my results. I'll have to get my bf % checked before i do this so it will be correct. I'm considering stacking this with EC for extra fat lose.

HalleluYAH
06-21-2006, 01:10 PM
i just purchased burn3d from another retailer and it came with a bottle of omega lean support for free. I plan on keeping a log with this product and i'll keep a day by day log of my results. I'll have to get my bf % checked before i do this so it will be correct. I'm considering stacking this with EC for extra fat lose.
so are you planning to stack the BURN3D with the Lean Suport? if so, kewl.

can you please post a link to your log here, or PM me so I can follow along. :)

p0fell0w
06-21-2006, 01:15 PM
so are you planning to stack the BURN3D with the Lean Suport? if so, kewl.

can you please post a link to your log here, or PM me so I can follow along. :)
yap i'll post a link to this in this thread before i start it...the only products i'll be taking are burn3d, thunder, lean support, EC, and of course Whey lol its almost a complete omega stack minus the lighting. Since i weigh around 197 i'll probably try to take in 2500 a day and see how that goes i'll be keeping track of my calorie % through that website www.fitday.com . i'll also be training in the style of HST.

HalleluYAH
06-21-2006, 01:58 PM
yap i'll post a link to this in this thread before i start it...the only products i'll be taking are burn3d, thunder, lean support, EC, and of course Whey lol its almost a complete omega stack minus the lighting. Since i weigh around 197 i'll probably try to take in 2500 a day and see how that goes i'll be keeping track of my calorie % through that website www.fitday.com . i'll also be training in the style of HST.
That's awesome.

Have you tired HST before? I am currently in week 2 of an 8 week HST cycle myself.

p0fell0w
06-21-2006, 02:08 PM
That's awesome.

Have you tired HST before? I am currently in week 2 of an 8 week HST cycle myself.
ya this will be my 2nd. i loved my first cycle of hst b/c i hit my max on bench after i finished it. I'm only in the 2nd workout of my 10 rep block and everyone is saying i look bigger and leaner for some reason :) i'm thinking about skipping the 15s next time if i dont have any joint pain during this cycle of hst.

HalleluYAH
06-21-2006, 02:30 PM
i loved my first cycle of hst b/c i hit my max on bench after i finished it.
I had the exact same experience. ;)

p0fell0w
06-21-2006, 03:37 PM
i think i'll take a full dose of burn3d and 12.5mg of E and 200 Mg of C in the morning, mid afternoon i'll probably pop in another 12.5 + 200 mg of EC. then at night another dose of burn3d so i can burn fat while i'm sleeping. how does that sound?

HalleluYAH
06-22-2006, 07:11 AM
i think i'll take a full dose of burn3d and 12.5mg of E and 200 Mg of C in the morning, mid afternoon i'll probably pop in another 12.5 + 200 mg of EC. then at night another dose of burn3d so i can burn fat while i'm sleeping. how does that sound?
that sounds great. please let me know when you start the log. will you be able to post before/after pix? if not, will you be taking measurements?

p0fell0w
06-22-2006, 08:13 AM
that sounds great. please let me know when you start the log. will you be able to post before/after pix? if not, will you be taking measurements?
of course i'll be taking pix before and after....i'll take another set of pics 7 days after my after pics since people that take TTA retain alot of water. i have some recent pics of me on myspace if you wanna check them out.

www.myspace.com/fub4r

but i'll take better ones then that

HalleluYAH
06-22-2006, 09:36 AM
of course i'll be taking pix before and after....i'll take another set of pics 7 days after my after pics since people that take TTA retain alot of water. i have some recent pics of me on myspace if you wanna check them out.

www.myspace.com/fub4r

but i'll take better ones then that
Awesome! Looking good man. Can't wait for the log.

hotasice2003
06-22-2006, 02:56 PM
HHMM, I just now found this product. I am thinking of giving it a try because I believe Forskolin to be a great fat loss and lean mass supp. I have also been wanting to try a TTA supp, but am a little skeptical because of the water retention factor. How bad is this? If I try it, I will keep a log, and will staick this with Yohimbine......

matpal
06-22-2006, 05:46 PM
Do not stack it with Yohimbine.

The water retention seems to be a higky individual response; some peopel se none while others see a decent amount.

bodybuilder45
06-23-2006, 01:05 AM
What kind of diet do you recommend whilst using BURN3D?
Any diet that will allow to to achieve an approximate 500 calorie deficit that does not total cut out carbohydrates. We have found that the total exclusion of carbs can greatly increase soreness and cramps while using TTA based products such as BURN3D.

just thought id share my experience with TTA and low carbs. i did this and had very impressive results. i admit cramps did get painful and unpleasant but fat loss was so much easier. lethargy became a problem to, but this proved to be extremely effective for me. definitely worth putting up with the cramps IMO.

also, does taking TTA with a fatty meal increase absorbtion? i know this is the case with most fatty acids but never heard of this with TTA.

matpal
06-23-2006, 06:35 AM
It may, which is why DS uses it in MP, but to my knowledge TTA has no real absorption issues.

dito
06-23-2006, 07:39 AM
Hi Matt. :D

p0fell0w
06-23-2006, 11:56 AM
hey hall...i just got my burn3d and its in a white bottle, but i thought it came in a black one? it has the foil seal on it though so i'm not really worried, also my lean support came in a funny looking bottle but it has a lid that you have to pull that thing off to open it so i know that it hasnt been opened. lol should i worry at all?

how should i dose the lean suport?

hotasice2003
06-23-2006, 01:58 PM
Do not stack it with Yohimbine.

The water retention seems to be a higky individual response; some peopel se none while others see a decent amount.



Curious as to why? In regards to Y that is........

matpal
06-23-2006, 05:07 PM
hey hall...i just got my burn3d and its in a white bottle, but i thought it came in a black one? it has the foil seal on it though so i'm not really worried, also my lean support came in a funny looking bottle but it has a lid that you have to pull that thing off to open it so i know that it hasnt been opened. lol should i worry at all?

how should i dose the lean suport?

I did not want to wait on the black bottles any longer...

The Lean Support is discontinued, so I was not worried about getting more labels printed for those.

matpal
06-23-2006, 05:08 PM
Curious as to why? In regards to Y that is........


Water rentention being one, another being that we just dont know what could happen if they are combined.

p0fell0w
06-24-2006, 08:08 AM
I did not want to wait on the black bottles any longer...

The Lean Support is discontinued, so I was not worried about getting more labels printed for those.
cool...thx for the replie. How would i go about dosing the lean support?

matpal
06-24-2006, 12:09 PM
one 2x3 times daily or as needed.

retro_roots
03-16-2007, 08:47 PM
I realize this is a rather old thread but I just got started taking Burn3d and te recommended dosing is 20-30 minutes before meals. I was hoping to geet some insight as to the rational of dosing before meals, the only thing I can think of is to improve absorbtion and then the question is of which ingriedent.

matpal
03-17-2007, 07:42 AM
No reason, really.

smh31
03-17-2007, 10:47 AM
BURN3d is a great supplement.
but, although tta and green tea can be taken with food, forskolin has really bad oral bioavailiability. regular forskolin should be taken on an empty stomach
the extract in jungle warfare is methyl so i guess it avoids that issue.

retro_roots
03-17-2007, 03:12 PM
No reason, really.

Would it help absorbtion of TTA to take with food?

Just because it seemed like a good time then ;)

spoonman
03-17-2007, 05:33 PM
If anyone is interested, I have a bottle of BURN3D that is sealed. I'm trying to sell it for $30. TTA just doesnt seem to work for me.

retro_roots
03-17-2007, 06:03 PM
If anyone is interested, I have a bottle of BURN3D that is sealed. I'm trying to sell it for $30. TTA just doesnt seem to work for me.

Might consider lowering the price I got mine for $28 :)

spoonman
03-19-2007, 09:44 AM
Might consider lowering the price I got mine for $28 :)

Its 35.99 plus shipping here at bb.com...

Shatter
06-19-2007, 12:02 AM
Bumping an old thread.

Just started taking TTA yesterday (3 doses). I am at day 35 of a 60 day X-Factor run (1250mg), I am also taking ActivaTe, Thyro Cuts (had to choose this, as I was unsure of Thyrotabs and Dicana getting thru customs), CEE, NOW Garlic, NOW Adam and Ergolean AMP.

I am a little concerned about whether TTA and high ldoses of Green Tea are synergestic with X-Factor but we shall soon find out!

Zachattack43
06-19-2007, 12:15 AM
Bumping an old thread.

Just started taking TTA yesterday (3 doses). I am at day 35 of a 60 day X-Factor run (1250mg), I am also taking ActivaTe, Thyro Cuts (had to choose this, as I was unsure of Thyrotabs and Dicana getting thru customs), CEE, NOW Garlic, NOW Adam and Ergolean AMP.

I am a little concerned about whether TTA and high ldoses of Green Tea are synergestic with X-Factor but we shall soon find out!

TTA with the AA in through a PPAR pathway, check out Des's comments in his log about such. Its the Melting point/x factor log

redhawk76
06-19-2007, 05:59 AM
I am a little concerned about whether TTA and high ldoses of Green Tea are synergestic with X-Factor but we shall soon find out!

zach answered your question about TTA, but Green Tea can be anti-inflammatory so I wouldn't go overboard with it

Shatter
06-19-2007, 10:32 PM
Haha, I tried to read thru Des's log the other day... Kind of fun trying to go thru 30 pages... the last few pages have seriously derailed it. haha

I am still contemplating whether to drop Burn3d until after I finish X-Factor. Or if I should try and dose it as far apart as possible from XF. The dosage of green tea extract is certainly very large!

jazzman21
11-09-2007, 10:35 AM
BUMP...

Thinking about picking up some burn, I like the fact that it's non-stim. Has anyone tried it and how much fat have you lost?

matpal
11-10-2007, 06:51 AM
Its good if you dont mind the potential sides of TTA (cramping)

Super Scoop
11-10-2007, 08:23 AM
TTA with the AA in through a PPAR pathway, check out Des's comments in his log about such. Its the Melting point/x factor log

Little confused here, so you can take TTA with AA?

I get the point that you shouldn't take Green Tea with AA or should be low dosed. What would be considered a low dose?

Beejis60
11-10-2007, 08:39 AM
Its 35.99 plus shipping here at bb.com...

$17.99 at another retailer....