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Robboe
05-31-2006, 03:59 PM
With Rebound Reloaded™ becoming available at the bodybuilding.com Superstore shortly, we have compiled an FAQ.

I will update this tomorrow with a link to the write-up.

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Q. What is the recommended dosing for Rebound Reloaded™?


A. 1-3 caps daily.

Q. Why 1-3 caps daily? Why not just 3?


A. Because the latter phase titration is optional. It is not a bad idea to do though.

Q. How do I dose the caps?


A. We recommend splitting their use over AM/PM, but if it’s more practical to take them all in the evening that is fine. Ideally, take a capsule with your first meal and 2 capsules with your evening meal. If you’re running a lower dose or in the middle of the titration period, split the two caps over the AM and PM. If down to one capsule daily, take it with your evening meal.

Q. So how long will a bottle last?


A. There are 90 capsules per bottle. If you dosed 3 caps a day for the entire duration, you have 30-days worth. If you titrate down towards the end of the cycle, it’ll extend to approximately 35 days.

Q. Is there any particular way to titrate down?


A. Not really. As noted, it is really personally preference (some users actually ramp UP their use). A very basic example is to run 3 caps daily for 3-3.5 weeks, reduce to 2 caps for a week or so, then run 1 capsule per day until you finish the bottle. It’s not rocket science and doesn’t warrant you stress over it too much.

Q. How long can I cycle it for?


A. With Rebound XT™, we recommended eight-week cycles, but generally condoned a four-week ceiling due to the negative impact some people had with libido. With Rebound Reloaded™, the negative impact on libido is not anticipated, nor did any of our beta testers suffered diminished libido due to the product, so 4-8 week cycles sounds ideal.

Q. What makes Rebound Reloaded™ better than Rebound XT™?


A. Rebound XT™ was and still is a very popular product that will no doubt be difficult to beat, but the supplement was not without side effects. One in particular was the loss of libido in various users after a certain period of use. Not only do we predict Rebound Reloaded™ to exert superior effects than Rebound XT™, we also expect no libido problems. Our extensive alpha and beta testing confirmed this – quite dramatically in some cases.

Q. So what sort of effects should I look out for?


A. Don’t look for anything, but expect similar effects typically experienced by our beta testers:

• Alpha-male mentality
• Increased libido
• Improved mood
• Mild improvements in strength and recovery
• Increase in energy

Other effects not noticed across the board but in certain cases include improved sleep, increases in bodyweight and reductions in body fat.

Q. What are the side effects?


A. Side effects expected from use of an aromatase inhibitor include sore joints from lowered estrogen, and oily skin from increased testosterone. Other, unexpected side effects reported during testing include dry mouth, increased core temperature and increased appetite in some.

Q. What is this aromatase thing?


A. An enzyme that converts androgens into estrogens.

Q. Such as?


A. Testosterone to estradiol.

Q. So how does Rebound Reloaded™ work exactly?


A. Magic.

Q. Seriously, what does Rebound Reloaded™ do?


A. Ok, I’ll paraphrase a segment of the write-up to help explain. Rebound Reloaded™ consists of the AroMatrix™, a trio of components that work together. The two significant components for the effect we are after are button mushroom extract and 6-Bromotase™. These two compounds are known as Aromatase Inhibitors (AI) i.e. they inhibit the aromatase enzyme from doings its function.

Now, consider testosterone, estradiol and aromatase as three separate “blocks”. The testosterone and aromatase blocks have what are known as “active sites”, which is where the two blocks connect. Upon doing so, a reaction occurs that changes the testosterone (androgen) into estradiol (estrogen). The two blocks then disconnect, and the aromatase is then free to find another testosterone block to convert to estradiol.

AI’s upset this process by taking up the active site of the aromatase enzyme, so testosterone cannot do so. This is basic aromatase inhibition and generally speaking, is how AI’s work.

Q. So what is the net effect from using Rebound Reloaded™?


A. Lowered estrogen, increased testosterone.

Q. How increased testosterone?


A. Because the conversion of androgens to estrogens (known as aromatization) is the primary method the male body has of obtaining estrogens (which it needs). If you are reducing estrogen, the body detects this and increases testosterone output in a bid to convert more into estradiol. It likes to keep a balance between its sex hormones, but while you are using Rebound Reloaded™, the overall effect is low estrogen, increased testosterone.

Q. So AIs only reduce estrogens and don’t eliminate them altogether?


A. Correct, providing you stay within the recommended dosing scheme allocated.

Q. Can women use it then?


A. Only if they know what they’re doing. Aromatase inhibitors affect the female physiology significantly and shouldn’t be toyed with unless the user has a full understanding of the possible effects.

Q. Is it most suited to bulking or cutting?


A. Either. Our beta testers reported increases in strength and recovery, so it should prove to be a very useful bulking agent. For cutting, the increases in testosterone should help retain lean body mass when on a sensibly planned diet.

Q. What can I stack with it?


A. Obviously, given that it is the improved version of Rebound XT™, we will fully endorse its use with ActivaTe™ to form the Improved NHA Stack™.

Lean Xtreme™ is the optional addition to the Improved NHA Stack™ that we recommend. However, Rebound Reloaded™ can be stacked with any other Designer Supplements or Designer Stackables product available.

Q. Does Rebound Reloaded™ need to be taken with a meal containing fat?


A. While the AroMatrix™ does contain some flax oil powder, it is still a good idea to take your cap(s) with about 5-10g fat.

Q. I have a medical condition. Is it ok for me to use Rebound Reloaded™?


A. As usual, always consult your doctor before using any new products.

Vanilla Thunder
05-31-2006, 04:04 PM
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TimoteoS
05-31-2006, 04:07 PM
beautiful, now can I try a bottle?..pretty please

Skigazzi
05-31-2006, 04:33 PM
Sweet, is it out?

and I cant wait to research white button mushroom extract :D

Is the flax powder only there for increased absorbtion?

Edit - way to be over the top in wording by using "latter phase titration" instead of "slowly lowering dose at the end of the cycle" :p

uhockey
05-31-2006, 04:53 PM
Sweet, is it out?

and I cant wait to research white button mushroom extract :D

Is the flax powder only there for increased absorbtion?

Edit - way to be over the top in wording by using "latter phase titration" instead of "slowly lowering dose at the end of the cycle" :p

There's a lot of reseach on white button extract.......just a matter of figuring out which lignans are responsible for the effects. Good luck. :)

The flax is there for two reasons. One is absorption, the other is to protect the formula.

uhockey
05-31-2006, 04:56 PM
Just a little bloodwork to wet your whistle. More to come.

Baseline:

Total Test: 690ng/dl
Free Test: 520ng/dl

End of Trial:

Total Test: 1123ng/dl
Free Test: 984ng/dl


Total Testosterone increased 62.7%.
Free Testosterone increased 89.2%

(Reloaded AND ActivaTe)




---------------------
Baseline:

Estrogen: 32 pg/ml
Total Testosterone: 650 ng/dl
Free Testosterone: 15.9 pg/dl

End of Trial:

Estrogen: 19 pg/ml
Total Testosterone: 905 ng/dl
Free Testosterone: 19.2 pg/gl

Total testosterone increased 39.2%.
Free Testosterone increased 28.5%.
Estrogen decreased 40.6%

(Reloaded AND ActivaTe)

-----------------------
Baseline:

Total Testosterone: 382 ng/dl
Free Testosterone: 75.8 ng/dl
Estradiol: 32 pg/ml

End of Trial:

Total Testosterone: 821 ng/dl
Free Testosterone: 111.2 ng/dl
Estradiol: 19 pg/ml

Total testosterone increased 114.9%
Free Testosterone increased 46.7%
Estrogen decreased 40.6%

(Reloaded AND ActivaTe)

-----------------------
Baseline:

Total Testosterone: 243 ng/dl
Free Testosterone: 30.1 pg/ml
Estrogen: 241 pg/ml

End of Trial:

Total Testosterone: 422 ng/dl
Free Testosterone: 22.4 pg/ml
Estrogen: 120 pg/ml

Total testosterone increased 73.6%
Free Testosterone decreased 25.5% (although the reading was already quite high in the baseline)
Estrogen decreased 50.2%

(Reloaded ONLY)

----------------------
Baseline:

Total Test: 821 ng/dl

End of Trial:

Total Test: 1464 ng/dl

Total Testosterone increased 78.3%


(Reloaded ONLY)

Vegas Lord
05-31-2006, 05:01 PM
^^^^ Jeez, those are some strong shrooms!! (just kidding). Looks, sounds great DS! I have my bottle pre-ordered!

Skigazzi
05-31-2006, 05:03 PM
The flax is there for two reasons. One is absorption, the other is to protect the formula.

Thats just evil :D

BiggJohn
05-31-2006, 05:12 PM
Any of the testers noticed increased shedding? (Hair loss)

Dimitar
05-31-2006, 05:19 PM
The flax is there for two reasons. One is absorption, the other is to protect the formula.

Isn't it also standardized for Secoisolariciresinol-diglycoside, a lignan that optimizes estrogen metabolism?

Not that I expect an honest answer...

Bloute
05-31-2006, 05:20 PM
Nice !

I want some ! ;)

TimoteoS
05-31-2006, 05:25 PM
So yeah, about the sample bottle? ;)

dropxxzone
05-31-2006, 06:04 PM
looks good.

When's it available and what's the price like?

E_B_Nation
05-31-2006, 06:29 PM
ok, this is cool. but where the hell is hyperdrol?? (not meant to be rude)

TimoteoS
05-31-2006, 06:36 PM
Hyperdrol is Anabolic Xtreme this id Designer Supplements...

aufftrain
05-31-2006, 06:50 PM
Going to do the NHA stack as soon as this comes out....

I need to improve my alpha male mentality, it's been down lately. :)

scull
05-31-2006, 07:13 PM
if you have blood work done and are on any given compound and results come back with an increased total T and an increase in free T, this is proof that the extra T is binding to your androgen receptors correct? reason I ask is because thats what seemed to be wrong with atd it stopped E and raised T but it blocked receptors so all the extra T turned back to E and some got gyno-- you guys fixed that with reloaded right?

E_B_Nation
05-31-2006, 07:47 PM
Hyperdrol is Anabolic Xtreme this id Designer Supplements...


ohhhhhhhh, that's right. my apologies Robboe and other DS affiliates.

dbish
05-31-2006, 07:52 PM
hehe...another "winner"

SubliminalX
05-31-2006, 08:07 PM
if you have blood work done and are on any given compound and results come back with an increased total T and an increase in free T, this is proof that the extra T is binding to your androgen receptors correct? reason I ask is because thats what seemed to be wrong with atd it stopped E and raised T but it blocked receptors so all the extra T turned back to E and some got gyno-- you guys fixed that with reloaded right?

I think the deal with ATD is that it blocked the AR in the hypothalamus, which is partly what tricks the body into thinking that Test is low, making it respond accordingly to compensate (i.e. producing more test). But I remember Patrick Arnold mentioning that no one knows if ATD also blocks the AR in skeletal muscle, which would be bad if it did. I don't see why the AR in the brain is different from that found in skeletal muscle.

But if enough Test is produced to overcome the effects of ATD, a new baseline Test is established and basically the net effect is increased Test-mediated activity.

zimzum
05-31-2006, 08:07 PM
an exstract from fungus, interesting!

Cloud Strife
05-31-2006, 08:24 PM
cool :cool: i can't wait :)

LEO21
05-31-2006, 09:10 PM
Question, will it be leagal in canada?

dbish
05-31-2006, 09:18 PM
looks good.
Really? How can you tell?

UberBerzerker
05-31-2006, 09:18 PM
ok, this is cool. but where the hell is hyperdrol?? (not meant to be rude)

Hyperdrol is available only in your dreams..;)


back on topic though

''hell freakin' yeah''

Berzerker have girlie hormones that need suppressing!!!!:eek:

dbish
05-31-2006, 09:22 PM
Berzerker needs to look in other places...

Twin Peak
05-31-2006, 09:28 PM
It shipped out to all retailers today. They will hopefully have it by Friday or Monday. They will have it up, when they have it up. It should be priced pretty nicely, a bit above where Rebound XT was.

Enjoy.

UberBerzerker
05-31-2006, 09:47 PM
Berzerker needs to look in other places...


berzerker does not recognize this ''dbutch'' person...who art thou?

dbish
05-31-2006, 09:52 PM
berzerker does not recognize this ''dbutch'' person...who art thou?
Thou art the thing that your woman's dreams are made of.

Twin Peak
05-31-2006, 10:01 PM
Question, will it be leagal in canada?

Is anything legal in Canada?

Bloute
05-31-2006, 10:05 PM
Is anything legal in Canada?

:D

dbish
05-31-2006, 10:06 PM
Is anything legal in Canada?
Well, weed is a lot more legal there than it is here in the states...:)

PieEyedPiper
05-31-2006, 10:11 PM
Is anything legal in Canada?
Weed is pretty damned close ;)


EDIT: Damn I'm a slow poster

dbish
05-31-2006, 10:15 PM
Weed is pretty damned close ;)


EDIT: Damn I'm a slow poster
Yeah, I pretty much owned the **** outta you on that one...:)

LEO21
05-31-2006, 10:46 PM
haha no not much is we are luckey creatine is

LEO21
05-31-2006, 10:49 PM
yeah weed thats true one thing canada has a lot of is hippys. thats why we are so nice

Robboe
06-01-2006, 03:31 AM
Any of the testers noticed increased shedding? (Hair loss)

John, none of our testers reported this, no.

Robboe
06-01-2006, 03:32 AM
Isn't it also standardized for Secoisolariciresinol-diglycoside, a lignan that optimizes estrogen metabolism?

Not that I expect an honest answer...

Isn't that the lignan found in flaxseeds?

Robboe
06-01-2006, 03:35 AM
I think the deal with ATD is that it blocked the AR in the hypothalamus, which is partly what tricks the body into thinking that Test is low, making it respond accordingly to compensate (i.e. producing more test). But I remember Patrick Arnold mentioning that no one knows if ATD also blocks the AR in skeletal muscle, which would be bad if it did. I don't see why the AR in the brain is different from that found in skeletal muscle.

But if enough Test is produced to overcome the effects of ATD, a new baseline Test is established and basically the net effect is increased Test-mediated activity.

ATD's anti-androgen effect in the brain is also one of the main reasons it cause the libido issues. There is no evidence that we have found that suggests that reloaded will do this, and most of our testers actually reported increases in libido.

That said, there seems to be those overly-sensitive to estrogen for their libido, so they'll have a diminishing effect on libido regardless of this effect.

BiggJohn
06-01-2006, 05:38 AM
John, none of our testers reported this, no.

Cool, I'd love to be able to use this in the future, worry free. According to Bobo, anytime T increases DHT will also so it'll be good to see more anecdotal data. I'll be watching reviews of those who are prone in the coming months.

Robboe
06-01-2006, 05:51 AM
Cool, I'd love to be able to use this in the future, worry free. According to Bobo, anytime T increases DHT will also so it'll be good to see more anecdotal data. I'll be watching reviews of those who are prone in the coming months.

Yeah, if you are concerned about shedding, i'd suggest doing exactly what you plan to do and wait for more feedback before investing.

Beast
06-01-2006, 06:09 AM
I love DS! :)

scull
06-01-2006, 06:29 AM
I think the deal with ATD is that it blocked the AR in the hypothalamus, which is partly what tricks the body into thinking that Test is low, making it respond accordingly to compensate (i.e. producing more test). But I remember Patrick Arnold mentioning that no one knows if ATD also blocks the AR in skeletal muscle, which would be bad if it did. I don't see why the AR in the brain is different from that found in skeletal muscle
But if enough Test is produced to overcome the effects of ATD, a new baseline Test is established and basically the net effect is increased Test-mediated activity.-- sub you seem well informed on this are you saying the extra T is not turned back into E?

Dimitar
06-01-2006, 10:14 AM
Isn't that the lignan found in flaxseeds?

Yes

SubliminalX
06-01-2006, 03:11 PM
-- sub you seem well informed on this are you saying the extra T is not turned back into E?

T wouldn't be converted to E if there is an aromatase inhibitor around, which apparently is part of the Reloaded formula. Plus, low E causes the body to think T is low, again reinforcing the signals that lead to increased T production.

SubliminalX
06-01-2006, 03:28 PM
ATD's anti-androgen effect in the brain is also one of the main reasons it cause the libido issues. There is no evidence that we have found that suggests that reloaded will do this, and most of our testers actually reported increases in libido.

That said, there seems to be those overly-sensitive to estrogen for their libido, so they'll have a diminishing effect on libido regardless of this effect.

Okay, so you're saying that RR is not an androgen receptor antagonist, like ATD is? It's purely an AI?

sonick
06-01-2006, 04:08 PM
Okay, so you're saying that RR is not an androgen receptor antagonist, like ATD is? It's purely an AI?

I have the same question. I fear that dreaded estrogen rebound this guy is describing.

Robboe
06-01-2006, 04:15 PM
Okay, so you're saying that RR is not an androgen receptor antagonist, like ATD is? It's purely an AI?

There is evidence to show ATD is an anti-androgen in the brain, but there is no evidence to suggest this for Reloaded, nor have any of the beta-testing indicated this.

uhockey
06-01-2006, 04:50 PM
There is evidence to show ATD is an anti-androgen in the brain, but there is no evidence to suggest this for Reloaded, nor have any of the beta-testing indicated this.

Correct.

Kledz
06-01-2006, 05:00 PM
Q. So how does Rebound Reloaded™ work exactly?


A. Magic.


Its not magic... its Designer Supplements. :D

aoba
06-01-2006, 05:51 PM
so does this stuff have similar rebound if not tapered off?

Biceps
06-01-2006, 05:54 PM
Can we expect a Rebound Revolutions any time in the future?? Just joking!! I'm not knocking on the name...I actually really like it and can't wait to try it.

On a serious note, will it be sufficient for PCT with Phera-Plex?? How about SD?

THANKS :)

scull
06-01-2006, 07:41 PM
T wouldn't be converted to E if there is an aromatase inhibitor around, which apparently is part of the Reloaded formula. Plus, low E causes the body to think T is low, again reinforcing the signals that lead to increased T production.--- yes but if the androgen receptor is being blocked the extra T would turn back to E and when you are stopping use of product your left with extra E just waiting to turn to gyno

US-Marine
06-01-2006, 07:58 PM
well 6OXO does not seem suffice anymore and RXT had too many problems....so

Rebound Reloaded will definately be a part of any cycle I run, along with Nolva of course.

SubliminalX
06-01-2006, 08:00 PM
--- yes but if the androgen receptor is being blocked the extra T would turn back to E and when you are stopping use of product your left with extra E just waiting to turn to gyno

T is only converted to E if enough aromatase is available in functional form, which it should not be while taking Reloaded (or tapering off of it). The conversion of T to E has nothing to do with androgen receptor availability. Plus, as mentioned above, DS says that there is no evidence of androgen receptor antagonization by Reloaded.

scull
06-01-2006, 08:24 PM
T is only converted to E if enough aromatase is available in functional form, which it should not be while taking Reloaded (or tapering off of it). The conversion of T to E has nothing to do with androgen receptor availability. Plus, as mentioned above, DS says that there is no evidence of androgen receptor antagonization by Reloaded.---Im going to try and post a discussion that BC had about this topic

solarize
06-02-2006, 05:47 AM
I've taken ATD on a ergomax cycle before (25mg a day atd, 20mg ergo) and didnt gain much (like 1kg) and a little size.. I am guessing this is the anti-androgen effect.

Have you had testers take the new RR on cycle and what were gains like>?

Robboe
06-02-2006, 06:46 AM
--- yes but if the androgen receptor is being blocked the extra T would turn back to E and when you are stopping use of product your left with extra E just waiting to turn to gyno

Steroidal AI linger for a duration even after you stop taking them.

Robboe
06-02-2006, 06:50 AM
I've taken ATD on a ergomax cycle before (25mg a day atd, 20mg ergo) and didnt gain much (like 1kg) and a little size.. I am guessing this is the anti-androgen effect.

Have you had testers take the new RR on cycle and what were gains like>?

Yeah, loads. We did just over 30 beta-testing logs.

On bb.com we had big_spaz, bsgu1 and iron pimper logging and all had great results.

Smashraj84
06-02-2006, 12:40 PM
lean extreme, activate, and rebound reloaded just shipped from ***********. WOO HOO!

40-Yard Dash_2
06-02-2006, 12:45 PM
lean extreme, activate, and rebound reloaded just shipped from ***********. WOO HOO!
Awesome!

Hey man, I'll get back with you tonight regarding the PM, cool? I'm just trying to finish up some work at the moment. :)

uhockey
06-02-2006, 05:31 PM
well 6OXO does not seem suffice anymore and RXT had too many problems....so

Rebound Reloaded will definately be a part of any cycle I run, along with Nolva of course.

Be careful when using PH products, this is a no-brainer.

However, one user commented that RR felt like "clomid without the moodiness." As I've never used a PH or any sort of PCT, I can't be sure, but others have told me that this is a good thing. :)

FWIW, I received my RETAIL bottles of RR in the mail today. So it's out there. :)

Twin Peak
06-03-2006, 06:50 AM
FWIW, I received my RETAIL bottles of RR in the mail today. So it's out there. :)

Cool.

At least one store started shipping yesterday, anyone know if its up on bb.com?

italionstallion
06-03-2006, 07:29 AM
Cool.

At least one store started shipping yesterday, anyone know if its up on bb.com?


Yep, I know.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/design/design.htm

It isn't.
;)

uhockey
06-03-2006, 07:32 AM
Yep, I know.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/design/design.htm

It isn't.
;)

Best damned page in the cyberstore. Reloaded will only make it better.

:D

Check out those wicked stacks at the bottom

Twin Peak
06-03-2006, 07:45 AM
Well, I am sure they have it in their warehouse, hopefully it will be up on Monday.

dtrain13
06-03-2006, 08:24 AM
Best damned page in the cyberstore. Reloaded will only make it better.

:D

Check out those wicked stacks at the bottom

:rolleyes: :D ;)


BTW, I got mine fellas thank you. Will log it with ActivaTe in a short while after some other obligations.

uhockey
06-03-2006, 09:07 AM
:rolleyes: :D ;)


BTW, I got mine fellas thank you. Will log it with ActivaTe in a short while after some other obligations.

Awesome. Obviously I'll follow along.....and ridicule you. :)

Other obligations including being a responsible husband, dad, and all that? ;)

dtrain13
06-03-2006, 02:29 PM
Awesome. Obviously I'll follow along.....and ridicule you. :)

Other obligations including being a responsible husband, dad, and all that? ;)
Um yeah, but I was speaking of a log I have to do for another company. However the husband thing can be taxing.....;)

uhockey
06-03-2006, 03:10 PM
Bah, screw them (unless it's someone I like,) we're better. ;)

getbustered
06-05-2006, 09:54 AM
Any word yet on when it's going up on the bb.com site? I'd like to order the NHA stack today. Just curious

Smashraj84
06-05-2006, 10:01 AM
Any word yet on when it's going up on the bb.com site? I'd like to order the NHA stack today. Just curious

Is it gonna be that much cheaper on bb.com? I got it from a different website and it's gonna be here tomorrow morning.

Madevilz
06-05-2006, 10:39 AM
Ordered Rebound Reloaded, ActivaTe, and AX Retain last friday.

Cant wait to compare it to the original NHA stack which I absolutely loved :)

qw3r
06-05-2006, 12:29 PM
Is it gonna be that much cheaper on bb.com? I got it from a different website and it's gonna be here tomorrow morning.

bb.com usually has middle to high prices, but it never hurts to support this forum and their expansive article and info library. plus you get a free shaker/water bottle/t-shirt/towel with practically every order :)

Smashraj84
06-05-2006, 12:35 PM
bb.com usually has middle to high prices, but it never hurts to support this forum and their expansive article and info library. plus you get a free shaker/water bottle/t-shirt/towel with practically every order :)

Oh definitely. Without BB.com we wouldn't have this great forum. I just ordered from the other place cause it had it on presale. I'm impulsive like that.

uhockey
06-05-2006, 07:41 PM
I always say support bb.com........but I really do wish they'd get products up faster. :)

SubliminalX
06-06-2006, 02:44 AM
Just a little bloodwork to wet your whistle. More to come.

Baseline:

Total Test: 690ng/dl
Free Test: 520ng/dl

End of Trial:

Total Test: 1123ng/dl
Free Test: 984ng/dl


Total Testosterone increased 62.7%.
Free Testosterone increased 89.2%

(Reloaded AND ActivaTe)




---------------------
Baseline:

Estrogen: 32 pg/ml
Total Testosterone: 650 ng/dl
Free Testosterone: 15.9 pg/dl

End of Trial:

Estrogen: 19 pg/ml
Total Testosterone: 905 ng/dl
Free Testosterone: 19.2 pg/gl

Total testosterone increased 39.2%.
Free Testosterone increased 28.5%.
Estrogen decreased 40.6%

(Reloaded AND ActivaTe)

-----------------------
Baseline:

Total Testosterone: 382 ng/dl
Free Testosterone: 75.8 ng/dl
Estradiol: 32 pg/ml

End of Trial:

Total Testosterone: 821 ng/dl
Free Testosterone: 111.2 ng/dl
Estradiol: 19 pg/ml

Total testosterone increased 114.9%
Free Testosterone increased 46.7%
Estrogen decreased 40.6%

(Reloaded AND ActivaTe)

-----------------------
Baseline:

Total Testosterone: 243 ng/dl
Free Testosterone: 30.1 pg/ml
Estrogen: 241 pg/ml

End of Trial:

Total Testosterone: 422 ng/dl
Free Testosterone: 22.4 pg/ml
Estrogen: 120 pg/ml

Total testosterone increased 73.6%
Free Testosterone decreased 25.5% (although the reading was already quite high in the baseline)
Estrogen decreased 50.2%

(Reloaded ONLY)

----------------------
Baseline:

Total Test: 821 ng/dl

End of Trial:

Total Test: 1464 ng/dl

Total Testosterone increased 78.3%


(Reloaded ONLY)

Didn't notice this earlier. But some of these units appear to be wrong. Like the first sample -- 984 ng/dl Free T. That's 984 ng/100ml, or 9.84 ng/ml. 1 ng = 1000 pg. That's 9,840 pg/ml. What's the reference range for Free T? I thought it was in the pg/ml range (low hundreds?) not in the ng/ml range.

Or maybe my conversion skills are whacked.

Dutchie*
06-06-2006, 06:12 AM
Didn't notice this earlier. But some of these units appear to be wrong. Like the first sample -- 984 ng/dl Free T. That's 984 ng/100ml, or 9.84 ng/ml. 1 ng = 1000 pg. That's 9,840 pg/ml. What's the reference range for Free T? I thought it was in the pg/ml range (low hundreds?) not in the ng/ml range.

Or maybe my conversion skills are whacked.
Most of the reported values for the free T seem to be incorrect (never heard of gl BTW, other then Gl representing Gigaliter…). Reference range for free test vs total test = 1.6% - 2.9%, which does not seem to mirror the reported ranges. Some ranges reported by uhockey show free T to T ratio of even 75% to 85%... Free T is indeed in the pg/ml range and there is nothing whacked with your conversion skills, you have calculated the correct conversion. Reference ranges are as follows:

Free Testosterone (Bioavailable Testosterone):
Adult Male Reference Interval
Free Testosterone:
1-9 years: < 6 pg/ml
10-18 years: 0.6-159 pg/ml
19 years and older: 47.0-244.0 pg/ml
% Free Testosterone: 1.6-2.9%

Testosterone, Adult Male
14-15 years: 100-320 ng/dl
(Tanner Stage III)
16-19 years: 200-970 ng/dl
(Tanner Stage IV, V)
20-39 years: 400-1080 ng/dl
40-59 years: 350-890 ng/dl
60 years and older: 350-720 ng/dl

uhockey
06-06-2006, 06:37 PM
Rob compiled those. He is British. I'm not sure on their references and/or conversions vs. the american system, but hopefully he can clarify.

40-Yard Dash_2
06-06-2006, 06:53 PM
Rob's response.


Estradiol is measured in pg/ml by standard, so thats cool.

There is a difference in some of the units used though, but these are what the doctors gave the testers. I was going to change them to read all the same, but figured people may constrew that as tampering with the results so thought **** it.

Although that IS why i worked out the % increases/decreases and made that clear - for those who have trouble deciphering the readings.

SubliminalX
06-06-2006, 07:34 PM
Estradiol is measured in pg/ml by standard, so thats cool.

There is a difference in some of the units used though, but these are what the doctors gave the testers. I was going to change them to read all the same, but figured people may constrew that as tampering with the results so thought **** it.

Although that IS why i worked out the % increases/decreases and made that clear - for those who have trouble deciphering the readings.


Well, without the correct units for Free T reported from the testers in the first place, it wouldn't have been possible for Rob to have converted anything anyway. But I do understand that Free T is often reported in varying ways, sometimes percent of total T, sometimes grams, sometimes moles, etc. So things are more easily lost in translation than with total T, which is almost always reported in ng/dl.

DS ought to go back and double check the values with their testers and get the correct units. It's more confusing now with the errors. Plus it doesn't look too good when erroneous values are published on the official DS website.