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ADubya26
05-10-2006, 01:35 PM
Is there a way to offset any possible heart problems associated with these two? Im thinking about doing 2 2-week cycles of one of them, Im just kinda concerned over long term effects. Would supplementing with celery seed or something else help out? Any suggestions besides simply not taking it?

NukeDukem
05-10-2006, 01:43 PM
I think the best thing to do before using something like ECA or Clen is to get/stay in good cardiovascular shape. That means being able to run/jog without getting winded, etc. A strong heart isnt going to be strained as much by these substances as someone's who is out of shape.

One thing I've always wondered (but never really did the research) and maybe someone smarter than I could help me out here: Is the increased blood pressure/vasoconstriction of things like Clen and Ephedrine one of the REASONS for increased caloric expenditure? As in, wouldn't taking a blood pressure reducer also reduce the amount of increase in burned calories because it is inhibiting the very thing (or at least, one of the things) about the drug you are taking that caused the increase in energy use in the first place? Just a thought of mine, I might be way off on how this stuff works.

jdiritto
05-10-2006, 01:47 PM
Is there a way to offset any possible heart problems associated with these two?


take them correctly.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=555239
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=316758

Graphite
05-10-2006, 01:53 PM
take them correctly.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=555239
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=316758


I agree,
I've made some bad decisions on Clen, even though I am educated in its proper use. It was just a one time thing though, I won't say what I did while on CLEN but it was pretty bad.. I could of easily had a heart attack/failure. Since then, i'm using the rest of the bottle for topical use with lipoderm y/ultra.

ADubya26
05-10-2006, 02:00 PM
take them correctly.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=555239
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=316758

About a year ago I tried an EC stack with 25 mg of vasopro ephedrine and 200 mg of caffeine. I stuck with this for about a week and was fine, then i doubled it, but took the same amount, just twice a day instead of once. The sides weren't freaky or anything but a few times I thought I felt a heart palpitation or something. I was worried so I got off them and the problem went away.

The results were good though and I just want to take it for a few weeks again, but not at the expense of health problems.

Is there any herbs or anything I could supplement with to make it safer, or would that diminish the effects like one of the other guys said?

Would clen be out of the question if I experienced what I did on EC?

jdiritto
05-10-2006, 02:05 PM
About a year ago I tried an EC stack with 25 mg of vasopro ephedrine and 200 mg of caffeine. I stuck with this for about a week and was fine, then i doubled it, but took the same amount, just twice a day instead of once.


FYI: thats prolly a really dumb thing to do, i wouldnt recommend you do it again..
course, cardiac arrest has its benefits
*(if your wife is cheating on you, it will end that problem)*

ADubya26
05-10-2006, 02:10 PM
FYI: thats prolly a really dumb thing to do, i wouldnt recommend you do it again..
course, cardiac arrest has its benefits
*(if your wife is cheating on you, it will end that problem)*

I took 25 mg E and 200 mg C once a day for one week, then
I took 25 mg E and 200 mg C twice a day for one week

What I took the second week was the most I would ever be willing to go up to, and I thought that was cautious. I have read other people taking upwards of 75 mgs a day and I weigh 210 so I dont know...am I wrong here?

NukeDukem
05-10-2006, 02:16 PM
25mg E/200mg Caffeine is the common doseage when people talk about the "Pure E/C stack".

And yes, people start at once a day and work up to as much as 3 times a day.

Oh, that reminds me.. *takes his 2nd dose of the day*

Of course I stack it with 5mg Yohimbine hcl as well, some people really dissaprove of that. E/C/Y stack baby!

jdiritto
05-10-2006, 02:18 PM
when u said doubled it i thought you meant like 50mg E / 400mg C or something

?idk, my mistake.

ADubya26
05-10-2006, 02:20 PM
when u said doubled it i thought you meant like 50mg E / 400mg C or something

?idk, my mistake.

Yeah, it kinda sounded like that

ADubya26
05-11-2006, 09:54 AM
bump

Is taking a supp to lower heart rate a good idea or will it take away from the effectiveness?