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cakedonkey
04-10-2006, 09:04 PM
S.A.N. Attitude :: Eradicate Estrogen :: Information/FAQ

Product Information
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Attitude in the Cyberstore
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/san/att.html

Formula rationale


Meet The Primer!

3-OHAT is characterized as a competitive and irreversible inhibitor of aromatase. What this means is that once it latches on to the aromatase enzyme it permanently deactivates it and therefore causes the rapid clearance of estrogen from the body. In a nutshell, 3-OHAT finishes the job that ATD started by eliminating the last couple of aromatase enzymes that were able to escape ATD’s powerful estrogen destroying action.

Ever heard of AndrosteneTrione (4-Androstene-3, 6,17-trione or AT for short). Well, 3-OHAT is basically the active metabolite of AT that causes the phenomenal effects of this compound. And by cutting out the middleman we were able to assemble a ‘seek and destroy’ mechanism at only 1/10th of the regular AT dose. You read right, Attitude is guaranteed to outperform the leading brand at only a fraction of the cost. If this wasn’t enough already, the half-life of 3-OHAT was documented to be greater than AT thus allowing greater efficiency at only one daily serving. What’s even more exciting about 3-OHAT is that it increases HPTA (Hypothalamus-Pituitary-Testes-Axis) activity therefore stimulating testosterone from a second and independent mechanism outside that of ATD. You are essentially getting the best of both worlds with Attitude.

Preliminary Studies

Everything sounds fine and dandy, but how does this all translate in the real world? Studies conducted on 8 heavy resistance-training athletes were recently performed and the outcome was nothing short of extraordinary. The average increase in bioavailable testosterone was in excess of 400%, while estrogen levels were reduced by a whopping 45%. Not too shabby for something over-the-counter. These are remarkable results and translate into almost limitless potential muscle and strength gains while using Attitude.

Rounding things out... the SHBG cycle

Now with testosterone levels literally flooding your system, what can we do to keep things elevated and unbound by SHBG? Meet UT (Urtica Dioica)!! UT is a newly discovered western compound that has been proven to down regulate SHBG, therefore keeping the ATD and 3-OHAT elevated testosterone levels ‘FREE’ and ‘UNBOUND’ from this binding glycoprotein. Usually SHBG would attach and bind to test, rendering it useless. UT prevents this from happening so the testosterone is able to effectively enhance strength levels and muscle mass. In order to fully reap T’s effects we need it to be unbound and free. So there you have it, a trio of testosterone triggering action all waiting to transform your body into a shocking combination of shredded muscularity and incredible power.

[adapted from: http://www.sann.net/attitude.html]

Attitude Reviews

[Read Review] (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=708785&highlight=attitude) | by Slated
[Read Review] (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=700088&highlight=attitude) | by GSCampbell
[Read Review] (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=699079&highlight=attitude) | by Hoffman

Attitude Frequently Asked Questions
Q: Is Attitude a PS/PH? Not quite. It's an extremely potent anti-estrogen product featuring ATD, Urtica Dioica, among others. As a result, when estrogen is lowered, test levels will rise. Attitude also makes the perfect adjunct to any PCT though can be run stand-alone with excellent results.

Q: Does Attitude require a PCT? As said above, Attitude would be a great adjunct to a PCT, although it would not require one. It's simply an anti-estrogen product. It should be cycled accordingly, however.

Q: Could I use a tribulus product, for example, alongside Attitude? Yes! This would actually be a great idea, as it should work very nicely alongside Attitude to produce even better results. Look into our Endotest-Pro (http://www.sann.net/endotest.html) for a really solid product.

Q: I'm 18. Would I benefit from Attitude? Stay away. It's not that it would be "dangerous", per se. It's just that it wouldn't benefit you. You're practically a testosterone machine right now, as such, where is the logic that taking a product that will free up testosterone come in? Simply put, it doesn't make sense. What would benefit you, however, is a quality cell volumizer such as our Vault [FAQ (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?p=9575269#post9575269)]. Wait at least 5-10 more years before considering such a product.

martel04
04-10-2006, 09:07 PM
nice posts cake. there putting you to work early

NamesAreHardToPick
04-10-2006, 09:43 PM
I've currently been on it, but haven't noticed anything in a week. Just one question, only been taking two caps early in the morning before eating. What is a good dosage at one time? Is it okay to take three pills, or should you spread them out?

cakedonkey
04-10-2006, 09:46 PM
I've currently been on it, but haven't noticed anything in a week. Just one question, only been taking two caps early in the morning before eating. What is a good dosage at one time? Is it okay to take three pills, or should you spread them out?


That should be fine. Just up the dosage slowly and see how you react.

NamesAreHardToPick
04-10-2006, 09:56 PM
Oh I know not to exceed four in one day, I just wonder if it's okay to have three in one sitting in the morning before a pre-workout meal.

bodybuilder45
04-10-2006, 10:15 PM
I've currently been on it, but haven't noticed anything in a week. Just one question, only been taking two caps early in the morning before eating. What is a good dosage at one time? Is it okay to take three pills, or should you spread them out?
im pretty sure taking atd with a fatty meal (at least 10g) helps with absorbtion so that may be your problem if youre not doing so already.

Coulaid
04-10-2006, 10:21 PM
Good info:D Slated's review states everything we need to know. Kick butt product to bad i am not 21:(

Lonny
04-11-2006, 06:16 AM
I've currently been on it, but haven't noticed anything in a week. Just one question, only been taking two caps early in the morning before eating. What is a good dosage at one time? Is it okay to take three pills, or should you spread them out?

Try spreading them out over the day, 1 cap X 3 daily.

Are you taking them on an empty stomach?

pu12en12g
04-11-2006, 06:24 AM
Nice FAQ... I'd REALLY like to see a Estrodex FAQ though.....

NamesAreHardToPick
04-11-2006, 06:24 AM
Try spreading them out over the day, 1 cap X 3 daily.

Are you taking them on an empty stomach?

Yeah I'm taking them 30 minutes before I eat. The only problem with spreading them out, is that since I eat ever 2 hours, I hardly ever have an "empty" stomach.

As for the person who said to take it with fat, the bottle says to take on an empty stomach. I think you might be referring to Sesamin.

Lonny
04-11-2006, 06:26 AM
Nice FAQ... I'd REALLY like to see a Estrodex FAQ though.....

What questions do you have about it?

pu12en12g
04-11-2006, 06:29 AM
What questions do you have about it?

I just think that the majority probably aren't familiar with:


TriHydroxy-Transstilbene
Resaveratrol
Emodin

Lonny
04-11-2006, 06:46 AM
I just think that the majority probably aren't familiar with:

Good point, Thanks for the heads up. I'll get on that.

TimoteoS
04-11-2006, 07:05 AM
alright How can i get the best possible effects from this? how many caps is maximum a day? If i have to buy two bottles so be it..what do you think?

agony21
04-11-2006, 07:08 AM
Seeing as how this is an ATD product... How would these new ingredients affect the estrogen rebound many experienced using ATD? Seeing as how estrogen would be further shut down but the 3-OHAT... There would most likely be an dramatic rebound no? How would this be recommended as far as dosing for a PCT?

Would you recommned tapering down like normal ATD dosing?

BTW -- Thanks for the Review links -- very interesting ;-)

Lonny
04-11-2006, 07:19 AM
alright How can i get the best possible effects from this? how many caps is maximum a day? If i have to buy two bottles so be it..what do you think?

3 caps a day is the max, you could get another bottle and run it for 40 days depending on how things were going.


Agony

As for PCT usage, Hoffman's review he used it for PCT. I would recommend tapering down to prefent a drastic rebound.

TimoteoS
04-11-2006, 07:23 AM
Lonny, how beneficial would this be on a cut? what if i stacked it with cordyceps? Im assuming that would not be a problem, this product looks very solid and im def considering it....I have my mind on some of the new Ecdysterones but i remebered seeing this and it looks very interesting...

TimoteoS
04-11-2006, 07:40 AM
What about the effects this product may have on cotisol? any information on this?

Lonny
04-11-2006, 10:10 AM
Lonny, how beneficial would this be on a cut? what if i stacked it with cordyceps? Im assuming that would not be a problem, this product looks very solid and im def considering it....I have my mind on some of the new Ecdysterones but i remebered seeing this and it looks very interesting...

It would be very beneficial on a cut to preserve lean muscle mass as well as keep you "dry" from the lack of estrogen. The only thing i would be wary of it joint dryness which may make cardio a pain. Some users don't experience this at all so it may not be an issue for you. In my experience, ATD while cutting is very effective for keeping LBM. So is ecdysterone but i don't find Ecdys to be as cost effective. Cordyceps is an adaptogen, correct? There wouldn't be any interactions as far as i can tell. I can't recall ever using it, though lately i've been using Astragalus and loving it and if you like cordyceps i suggest checking Astragalus out.

Im not sure about the effect on cortisol, but increased test levels means decreased cortisol.

sawastea
04-11-2006, 10:56 AM
J Nutr. 2005 Apr;135(4):757-60. Related Articles, Links

trans-Resveratrol, a Natural Antioxidant from Grapes, Increases Sperm Output
in Healthy Rats.

Juan ME, Gonzalez-Pons E, Munuera T, Ballester J, Rodriguez-Gil JE, Planas
JM.

Departament de Fisiologia, Facultat de Farmacia, Universitat de Barcelona,
E-08028 Barcelona, Spain and.

trans-Resveratrol was reported to have health benefits including
anticarcinogenic effects and protection against cardiovascular disease. One
of the mechanisms by which it exerts its action is through modulating the
estrogen response systems. Because estrogen is involved in male reproductive
biology, we investigated the effect of trans-resveratrol on testis and
spermatogenesis. Adult male rats were divided into 2 groups. The treated
group was administered by gavage 20 mg/(kg . d) of trans-resveratrol
suspended in 10 g/L of carboxymethylcellulose for 90 d, whereas the control
group received only carboxymethylcellulose during the same period. The
relative weight of testes did not differ between the groups. However, the
diameter of the seminiferous tubules was significantly reduced from 437.5
+/- 0.1 mum in the controls to 310.9 +/- 0.1 mum in the resveratrol-treated
rats. This decrease was accompanied by a significant increase in tubular
density, from 3.20 +/- 0.18 in controls to 6.58 +/- 0.18 tubules/mm(2) in
the treated group. Moreover, sperm counts were significantly greater in the
resveratrol-treated rats (24.8 +/- 3.30 x 10(7)) than in the control group
(14.1 +/- 0.80 x 10(7)), but sperm quality did not differ. Serum
concentrations of gonadotrophins and testosterone were significantly higher
in the resveratrol-treated group. We identified a novel activity of
trans-resveratrol. The daily oral administration of this phytochemical to
adult male rats enhanced sperm production by stimulating the
hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis, without inducing adverse effects.

PMID: 15795430 [PubMed - in process]

DIM and Calcium D-Glucarate (Full Text attached)


Phytochemicals such as indole-3-carbinol (I3C) are components of cruciferous
vegetables, which exhibit antitumor activity associated with altered
carcinogen metabolism and detoxification. The compound
3,3'-diindolylmethane, (DIM), is a major metabolite of I3C now available in
supplement form. DIM directs estrogen metabolism away from “bad” estrogen to
the good 2-hydroxyestrone/estradiol metabolites. Moreover, DIM itself
exhibits antiestrogenic properties according to some researchers, and
estrogenic activity according to others, much as if it were a SERM (12, 24).
Among the hypothesized mechanisms of chemoprevention by I3C and DIM is their
ability to induce a number of phase I enzymes in liver and colon, including
cytochrome P450 (CYP) 1A1, CYP1A2, and CYP 3A. Increased activity of phase I
drug-metabolizing enzymes can protect against some carcinogens by increasing
their rate of oxidative metabolism to less toxic metabolites.

So by taking supplements containing 3,3'-diindolylmethane we can possibly
lessen the likelihood of developing prostate and possibly other cancers,
since research has shown that 3,3'-diindolylmethane has direct anticancer
effects on the prostate independent of its ability to suppress “bad”
estrogen (13). However, at least part of the ability of DIM to help prevent
prostate cancer may lie is its antiandrogenic as well as antiestrogenic
properties. Studies using prostate cancer (LNCaP) cells show that at
physiologically obtainable levels DIM acts as a pure androgen antagonist
that blocks expression of androgen-responsive genes and inhibits AR nuclear
translocation (14).


One theory is that DIM appears to exert its antiestrogenic/antiandrogenic
properties by acting as a weak agonist at the so-called aryl hydrocarbon
receptor (AhR) (15). The AhR has been extensively studied due to the fact
that a number of environmental toxins such as
2,3,7,8-tetrachlorodibenzo-p-dioxin (TCDD) exert their effects by acting as
strong agonists of the AhR. Dioxins are well known to disrupt reproductive
activity in animals by deranging gonadal, pituitary, and CNS function. TCDD,
like DIM acts as an antiestrogen in numerous tissues. At least part of TCDD’
s antiestrogenic activity results from activation of proteosomes that
degrade the estrogen receptor (16). It’s intriguing to speculate whether DIM
might also be capable of ER degradation in the pituitary, which we noted
possesses AhR receptors and is sensitive to TCDD. If so, DIM might block
estrogen related negative feedback on the HPTA. Yet another theory on DIM
action proposes that in some tissues it activates the estrogen receptor
independently of the presence of estrogen by activating the so-called PKA-
and MAPK signaling systems (22).


As noted above, some studies show 2-hydroxyestrone has no suppressive effect
on the HPTA while other research shows either suppression or enhancement.
Another metabolite of estradiol, depicted in figure 3, is
2-hydroxyestradiol. Animal experiments have shown that administration of
2-hydroxyestradiol can override the suppressive effect of estradiol on
pituitary LH secretion in males (17). The same study showed that the bad
estrogen 4-hyroxyestradiol was able to suppress LH production

As can be seen in figures 3 and 4, both 2-hydroxyestradiol and
2-hydroxyestrone are methylated during their metabolism by the body.
Interestingly, 2-methoxyestradiol (2-MeOE2) has a significantly higher
affinity for Sex Hormone Binding Globulin than do estradiol and even
testosterone (18). This is significant in that 2-MeOE2, by virtue of its
higher affinity for SHBG than testosterone, can displace testosterone from
SHBG, possibly enlarging the fraction of free, or bioactive testosterone.

16alpha-hydroxyestrone may play a role in a number of diseases other than
cancers. For example, the estrogen found in the synovial fluid of rheumatoid
arthritis patients is primarily the proinflammatory 16alpha-hydroxyestrone
and may be responsible for the inflammation associated with that disease
(19, 20). DIM may prove useful in treating or ameliorating the symptoms of
rheumatoid arthritis and other estrogen related autoimmune diseases that
primarily affect women. Also of interest is the observation that while
estradiol has well-known neuroprotective actions, 2-hydroxy-estradiol
appears to be significantly more neuroprotective than its parent, estradiol
(21). Of course, standard medical protocols should be followed and a
physician’s advice obtained, before self-medicating with DIM to treat any
disease.

Since some evidence suggests DIM might generate estrogen metabolites that
suppress LH production, it might not be advisable to use DIM as the sole
agent during Post Cycle Therapy. When used post cycle with a SERM such as
Clomid that stimulates the HPTA, DIM could offer a number of potential
health advantages by shunting estrogen metabolites towards the more
healthful 2-OH series while at the same time elevating free testosterone
levels. Similarly, during a cycle of aromatizable steroids, when estrogen is
high and the HPTA is suppressed, DIM use may offer a number of health
benefits due to its actions described above.

For a person not using anabolics and unconcerned about the complexities of
Post Cycle Therapy, DIM use may confer enough health benefits, such as
possible cancer prevention, to warrant its use as a supplement. And, as
mentioned above, we may get a boost in free testosterone as well. Long term
safety studies in animals have failed to detect any toxicity due to DIM
(23).

In summary, while certainly not advocating estrogen supplementation for men,
I also believe it is not the evil hormone it is often made out to be. We
should accept it for what it is, a naturally occurring part of or normal
hormonal milieu, that can be manipulated in form and quantity to better suit
the needs of male athletes and bodybuilders by focusing on altering the
byproducts of estrogen metabolism.

Urtica Diioca

Planta Med. 1997 Dec;63(6):529-32. Related Articles, Links


Lignans from the roots of Urtica dioica and their metabolites bind to human
sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG).

Schottner M, Gansser D, Spiteller G.

Lehrstuhl Organische Chemie I, Universitat Bayreuth, Germany.

Polar extracts of the stinging nettle (Urtica dioica L.) roots contain the
ligans (+)-neoolivil, (-)-secoisolariciresinol, dehydrodiconiferyl alcohol,
isolariciresinol, pinoresinol, and 3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran. These
compounds were either isolated from Urtica roots, or obtained
semisynthetically. Their affinity to human sex hormone binding globulin
(SHBG) was tested in an in vitro assay. In addition, the main intestinal
transformation products of plant lignans in humans, enterodiol and
enterolactone, together with enterofuran were checked for their activity.
All lignans except (-)-pinoresinol developed a binding affinity to SHBG in
the in vitro assay. The affinity of (-)-3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran was
outstandingly high. These findings are discussed with respect to potential
beneficial effects of plant lignans on benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH).

PMID: 9434605 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Planta Med. 1995 Feb;61(1):31-2. Related Articles, Links

sawastea
04-11-2006, 10:57 AM
The effect of extracts of the roots of the stinging nettle (Urtica dioica)
on the interaction of SHBG with its receptor on human prostatic membranes.

Hryb DJ, Khan MS, Romas NA, Rosner W.

Department of Medicine, St. Luke's/Roosevelt Hospital Center, New York, N.Y.
10019.

Extracts from the roots of the stinging nettle (Urtica dioica) are used in
the treatment of benign prostatic hyperplasia. The mechanisms underlying
this treatment have not been elucidated. We set out to determine whether
specific extracts from U. dioica had the ability to modulate the binding of
sex hormone-binding globulin to its receptor on human prostatic membranes.
Four substances contained in U. dioica were examined: an aqueous extract; an
alcoholic extract; U. dioica agglutinin, and stigmasta-4-en-3-one. Of these,
only the aqueous extract was active. It inhibited the binding of 125I-SHBG
to its receptor. The inhibition was dose related, starting at about 0.6
mg/ml and completely inhibited binding at 10 mg/ml.

PMID: 7700987 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Z Naturforsch [C]. 1995 Jan-Feb;50(1-2):98-104. Related Articles, Links


Plant constituents interfering with human sex hormone-binding globulin.
Evaluation of a test method and its application to Urtica dioica root
extracts.

Gansser D, Spiteller G.

Lehrstuhl Organische Chemie I, Universitat Bayreuth, Bundesrepublik,
Deutschland.

A test system is described, which allows the search for compounds
interfering with human sex hormone-binding globulin (SHBG) even in complex
plant extracts. The method has been evaluated and applied to Urtica dioica
root extracts. The lignan secoisolariciresinol (5) as well as a mixture of
isomeric (11 E)-9,10,13-trihydroxy-11-octadecenoic and (10
E)-9,12,13-trihydroxy-10-octadecenoic acids (3 and 4, resp.) were
demonstrated to reduce binding activity of human SHBG. Methylation of the
mixture of 3 and 4 increased its activity about 10-fold.

PMID: 7702715 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

cakedonkey
04-11-2006, 10:54 PM
Very nice studies, saw.

Lonny
04-12-2006, 05:51 AM
NuclearArms pre-trial and 10 day bloodwork results.

ITEM......PRE-TRIAL.............DAY 11.................INCREASE
Test........187 .....................1079....................577%
Free-test..8.8........................52............... ......590%
Estradiol....21.........................15........ .............-30%

sawastea
04-12-2006, 06:02 AM
Slated:

Pre-Attitude
FREE TESTOSTERONE 16.6
PROGESTERONE 0.8
ESTRADIOL 24

Post-Attitude
FREE TESTOSTERONE 33.9
ESTRADIOL 19

Free Testoserone increased 104%
Estradiol decreased 21%

patryk
05-14-2006, 07:51 AM
hi
last week I have started my cutting cykle. 8 weeks

I'm on low carb diet - ultiamte diet 2.0

My suplement are
2 dosage of xpand ( creatine matrix)
3 dosage of ECA (25 mg of ephedrine + 200 mg coffeine) \

I have also 2 bottels of Attitude and 3 bottels of Tribuplex 750 MRM

What is your suggestion of taking attitude and tribulus .
How long can I take it. Should I take attitude with tribulus at once or shlould I start tribulus 2-3 weeks later

My cycle will finish on 1th of July - then I will go on holiday .- so I have 7 weeks .

I wast thinking to start attitude ( 3 caps) - 4 weeks before holiday and finish it during holiday - 2 weeks

What about tappering it. If you prefer tapperig this two bottles last for 7 weeks. - 1-4 3 caps 5-6 2 caps 7- 1 caps ?

Thanks

Slated
05-14-2006, 08:13 AM
I was expecting a ton of joint soreness at the doses I was taking, but really, they were quite minimal.

I wouldn't recommend it for anyone under 21, but for all others, it's lovely, especially when bulking!

patryk
05-14-2006, 09:18 AM
this dosn't help me

cppolo
06-20-2007, 01:06 PM
In about a weeks of using Attitude, my blood pressure drops from 140/90 range to about 125/75. I understand this is due the effect of the Urtica which comes from the Stinging Nettle herb I believe. This seems to be more effective than my beta-blocker, diuretic and ACE inhibitor for BP reduction. When I stop the cycle, the BP goes back to the usual range again. Any ideas about Attitude or Urtica for BP reduction?

TinyMan
06-23-2007, 02:30 PM
In about a weeks of using Attitude, my blood pressure drops from 140/90 range to about 125/75. I understand this is due the effect of the Urtica which comes from the Stinging Nettle herb I believe. This seems to be more effective than my beta-blocker, diuretic and ACE inhibitor for BP reduction. When I stop the cycle, the BP goes back to the usual range again. Any ideas about Attitude or Urtica for BP reduction?

I will have to look more into it before giving a solid answer to it. But as far as using Attitude for BP reduction, realize that it isn't meant to be used constantly (that is, cycling should be used with it). From my preliminary knowledge, there may be a temporary BP altering effect, but I am going to need more time to read on it. Hopefully tomorrow if I have some time; if not, in the next week or so.

Lonny
06-27-2007, 09:27 AM
In about a weeks of using Attitude, my blood pressure drops from 140/90 range to about 125/75. I understand this is due the effect of the Urtica which comes from the Stinging Nettle herb I believe. This seems to be more effective than my beta-blocker, diuretic and ACE inhibitor for BP reduction. When I stop the cycle, the BP goes back to the usual range again. Any ideas about Attitude or Urtica for BP reduction?

From the search I did, most Urtica writeups talk about it being helpful in lowering blood pressure. I don't think Attitude would be your best bet for continual use since ATD is such a strong Anti-Estrogen.

I think Estrodex would be more well suited for longer usage, or check into other UD products. And of course, consult with your Dr.

cppolo
06-27-2007, 01:35 PM
I may try taking Stinging Nettle herb and check the BP results after I finish the Attititude cycle.

vTx
08-07-2007, 11:41 AM
Did post this up on another thread --> San Attitude testosterone product

I was wondering whether anyone has heard of this supplement causing a delayed onset of gyno?; considering I having heard of Rebound XT having some cases where people are diagnosed with a stronger gyno presence.

Rebound XT's and Attitude's ingredients don't differ significantly either.

Anyone care to share their opinions?

TinyMan
08-07-2007, 12:03 PM
Did post this up on another thread --> San Attitude testosterone product

I was wondering whether anyone has heard of this supplement causing a delayed onset of gyno?; considering I having heard of Rebound XT having some cases where people are diagnosed with a stronger gyno presence.

Rebound XT's and Attitude's ingredients don't differ significantly either.

Anyone care to share their opinions?

Are you referring to using Attitude/RXT as a standalone, or a PCT run? For standalone, I am not aware of any issues. PCT I am not well versed enough to tell you offhand. I'll ask some of my friends who know more about this than I do.

Bloute
08-07-2007, 03:37 PM
Did post this up on another thread --> San Attitude testosterone product

I was wondering whether anyone has heard of this supplement causing a delayed onset of gyno?; considering I having heard of Rebound XT having some cases where people are diagnosed with a stronger gyno presence.

Rebound XT's and Attitude's ingredients don't differ significantly either.

Anyone care to share their opinions?

As part of a PCT for superdrol; a lot of case of delayed gynos were reported. I would be careful with any PH that act like an AI (Havoc, superdrol,...), BTW, you are 18 years old dont use this product or any PH. As a standalone, I never saw anything relate to delayed gynos.

DRP7
08-07-2007, 11:21 PM
...The average increase in bioavailable testosterone was in excess of 400%, while estrogen levels were reduced by a whopping 45%. Not too shabby for something over-the-counter. These are remarkable results and translate into almost limitless potential muscle and strength gains while using Attitude.

there are indeed very interesting data on the effect of AIs on testosterone levels (such data are also published for ATD [peer reviewed] and 6-oxo [poster]).

However, I wonder how the conclusion of "...almost limitless potnetial muscle and strength gains..." has been drawn?
Is there actually ANY data showing an increased rate of muscle/strength gains or is this just a theoretical assumption (increased test must cause muscle growth)?

DRP7
08-09-2007, 12:01 AM
there are indeed very interesting data on the effect of AIs on testosterone levels (such data are also published for ATD [peer reviewed] and 6-oxo [poster]).

However, I wonder how the conclusion of "...almost limitless potnetial muscle and strength gains..." has been drawn?
Is there actually ANY data showing an increased rate of muscle/strength gains or is this just a theoretical assumption (increased test must cause muscle growth)?

^^^^


bump.

anyone from S.A.N. who would like to comment?

theguvner
08-20-2007, 03:08 AM
Bump.

I would like to hear an answer to this one =)