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cakedonkey
04-10-2006, 02:12 PM
S.A.N. Infusion :: Anabolic Nutrient Matrix

Product Information
<img src="http://fredvaughn.org/san/infusion-facts.jpg" alt="S.A.N. Infusion">

Infusion in the Cyberstore
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/san/infusion.html

Quick Infusion facts
INFUSION™ is packed with 12g of fat incinerating and nutrient partitioning EFA's, such as CLA, Flaxseed, MCT's, High Oleic Sunflower Oil and more. **
INFUSION™ contains a 47g time dispersed anabolic protein matrix consisting of Whey Isolate, Micellar Casein, Alpha Lactalbumin and Bovine Colostrum. **
INFUSION™ is fortified with Probiotics, Acidophilus and Bifidus, organisms that bring the healthy flora into the intestinal track for maximum protein absorption. **
INFUSION™ is low in carbohydrates with only 12 grams. Included are 7 grams of dietary fiber for maximum intestinal health and function. **

Infusion Reviews
[Read Review] (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=728491&highlight=infusion) | sawastea's review of "Chocolate Peanut Butter"
[Read Review] (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=150831&highlight=infusion) | BallerPimp69 reviews "Chocolate Peanut Butter"
[Read Review] (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=693610&highlight=infusion) | TinyMan's review of "Cinnamon Oatmeal"
[Read Review] (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=679758&highlight=infusion) | several different members review of "Wildberry"
[Read Review] (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=215055&highlight=infusion) | E.Black reviews "Vanilla Caramel"

Infusion Freqently Asked Questions
Q: Does Infusion replace my run-of-the-mill whey protein powder? No, it does not. Infusion is far beyond your typical whey product. It is a complete protein blend (micellear casein, whey isolate, colostrum), EFA complex, and more. It even has carbs in the form of raw oats and rice bran (both of which are low-GI). Because of this, it is a complete and nutritionally perfect meal, and hence it is an MRP or Meal Replacement Powder. If you don't have enough time to get your six meals in every day, because you're too busy or maybe just lazy, Infusion can be a real life-saver in this regard. If you're looking for a pure whey protein product, we offer one called Volu-Mass which is available in 2lb. and 5lb. tubs.

Q: Is Infusion better for bulking or cutting? It's in fact perfect for either. Depending on how it fits into your macronutrient goals, it can be a great addition to your diet to add some quality calories. Optimally, you'd consume it pre-workout or anytime besides post-workout. It makes for an excellent breakfast as well.

Q: What kind of proteins are we looking at in Infusion? Good question. You've got micellear casein in there, along with whey protein isolate (WPI), we even threw the rarely-seen colostrum for maximal protein bioavailability and "dispersion" effect. Together, they keep protein synthesis rates jacked up for hours after consumption.

Q: Are the carbs from maltodextrin? Nope. Our new version uses pure raw oatmeal powder (the old version did in fact contain maltodextrin) and as a result also provides a nice amount of fiber to your diet, along with being low-GI and other health benefits as a result.

Q: What kind of fats are we looking at? S.A.N. has you covered here as well. CLA, Flaxseed, MCT's, and High Oleic Sunflower Oil make for a potent, comprehensive blend. Please note that, though Infusion offers an excellent addition to your healthy fat intake, we still recommend you regularly supplement your typical EFAs at your preferred protocol (e.g., fish oil @ 6g/day).

Q: How is the taste? Users are reporting nothing short of incredible. It's been compared to Muscle Milk plenty of times, and has gotten "just as good if not better"-esque reviews. Not to mention, Infusion's profile simply blows away Muscle Milk's.

Q: How many times should I use Infusion a day? As many as you see fit! Whatever it takes to meet your desired macronutrient goals. As always, S.A.N. is there to help you make it through and perform at your best.

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04-10-2006, 02:16 PM
hey man, congrats on the rep position and first product post...looks promising, i think im going to check out the chocolate peanut butter

cakedonkey
04-10-2006, 02:19 PM
Thank you very much. Can you think of anything else the original post should contain? I think that should cover most bases.

I think you'll love it. I've always thought it was the best MRP on the market.

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04-10-2006, 02:24 PM
Thank you very much. Can you think of anything else the original post should contain? I think that should cover most bases.
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maybe some of the faq that have been asked about the product
put the link on the top above everything maybe?
looks good though and best of luck with SAN....
edit-nevermind my before post[/url]

sawastea
04-10-2006, 02:27 PM
It really does taste amazingly and a little less gritty than the wildberry (which is still fantastic). I will try the cinnamon oatmeal ("CO") soon and see how it compares with Prolab Lean Mass Matrix, which to me, is a fantastic CO blend, and the best one I've had thus far.

jdiritto
04-10-2006, 02:48 PM
i just praised infusion earlier today in my red acid log! haha thats funny
http://www.forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=9569946&postcount=71

I personally noticed great recovery from an injury with infusion, so I imagine muscle recovery is amazing with it! (prolly due to all the efas, fiber, glutamine peptides)

italionstallion
04-10-2006, 03:46 PM
maybe i'm missing something, but where are the frequently asked questions?

cakedonkey
04-10-2006, 04:25 PM
maybe i'm missing something, but where are the frequently asked questions?

That's actually a really good question... :D

I'll compile something in a sec. The title is definitely kind of misleading, but I sort of meant that this thread will clear up a lot of FAQs because you get reviews of the product, and so on. I think any question one may have should be covered in one of the given resources.

cakedonkey
04-10-2006, 04:42 PM
Update: added an actual FAQ.

Mister_A
04-10-2006, 04:45 PM
I'm just about finished with my Berry Yogurt that I tested. (Thanks to Lonny)

Great stuff. I'll probably buy one soon.

daveburton
04-11-2006, 12:28 AM
I'm just about finished with my Berry Yogurt that I tested. (Thanks to Lonny)

Great stuff. I'll probably buy one soon.

Infusion is without a shadow of a doubt a great nocturnal protein supplement.

G.W. Hayduke
04-11-2006, 12:42 AM
I have always though Infusion was the best MRP on the market. Very good product by SAN!

bodybuilder45
04-11-2006, 12:44 AM
i am officially addicted to this stuff!!! i should cut it from my diet since im now in contest prep mode, but i find ways to make it fit. vanilla caramel is definitely the best protein powder ive tried. 1 question though:

i have the vanilla caramel and chocolate peanut butter. the serving size on van caramel is 4 level scoops while the serving for choco pb is 3 heaping scoops. also, the scooper inside choco pb is smaller. is one powder more dense than the other?

Lonny
04-11-2006, 07:09 AM
i am officially addicted to this stuff!!! i should cut it from my diet since im now in contest prep mode, but i find ways to make it fit. vanilla caramel is definitely the best protein powder ive tried. 1 question though:

i have the vanilla caramel and chocolate peanut butter. the serving size on van caramel is 4 level scoops while the serving for choco pb is 3 heaping scoops. also, the scooper inside choco pb is smaller. is one powder more dense than the other?
Thanks for the compliments.

One is from the older containers and one is new. Go by what the nutritional info says, and how many scoops you want.

pu12en12g
04-11-2006, 07:15 AM
The Cinnamon Oatmeal flavor is excellent... and when I say excellent, I mean that it fills a void in the industry.

And when I say it fills a void in the industry I mean that I can pour in 4+ scoops into less than 1/2 blender full of milk, blend for about 5 seconds, and LITERALLY down the ENTIRE blender full without any second thoughts or any unpleasant after taste :cool:

I HIGHLY, HIGHLY recommend this flavor of infusion (or at LEAST something similar) before bedtime. This was also a VERY good move:


Our new version uses pure raw oatmeal powder (the old version did in fact contain maltodextrin) and as a result also provides a nice amount of fiber to your diet, along with being low-GI and other health benefits as a result.

VERY, VERY good move by SAN.



Full log / review:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=743387

Dimitar
04-11-2006, 12:32 PM
Infusion is easily the best MRP on the market. I am addicted to the Chocolate Peanut Butter and I love the Wildberry Yogurt.

What actually makes Infusion stand out, in my opinion, and seems to be overlooked by others [no wonder since it's something which is not on the ingredients list] is that Infusion has no vitamin/ mineral complex added to it. Everyone around here uses a good multi and this is kind of redundant, but what's more important is that because vitamins/minerals need a lot of artificial sweeteners to cover up the taste, Infusion does not need those extra sweeteners. Instead, SAN included other things that are undoubtedly good for us: active cultures, for instance.

Now if one looks beyond the price per tub, number of servings etc. and considers the price per gram of protein, one would find out that Infusion is in the price range of Muscle Milk, Mass Meal etc. in that regard. Other than my favorite MPI for before-bed and BCAA around workout, Infusion is the only powder I "need" to buy.

TheUnlikelyToad
04-11-2006, 12:41 PM
Once mixed, how long is tha shake stable?

Also, does it need refrigeration since EFA's can go rancid?

musclescientist
04-11-2006, 01:56 PM
Once mixed, how long is tha shake stable?

Also, does it need refrigeration since EFA's can go rancid?
Bottles are nitrogen flushed before filling. This is to sterilize the inside of every container before it is filled with the Infusion powder.

As far as the EFA’s is concerned, since there is virtually no air exposure before opening,
we don't foresee any oxidation taking place until such time.

Lastly, the black bottle was designed for a special purpose; that is to specifically block out ultraviolant light thus protecting the EFA's as well as the probiotics in Infusion.

sawastea
04-11-2006, 02:12 PM
The Cinnamon Oatmeal flavor is excellent... and when I say excellent, I mean that it fills a void in the industry.

And when I say it fills a void in the industry I mean that I can pour in 4+ scoops into less than 1/2 blender full of milk, blend for about 5 seconds, and LITERALLY down the ENTIRE blender full without any second thoughts or any unpleasant after taste :cool:

I HIGHLY, HIGHLY recommend this flavor of infusion (or at LEAST something similar) before bedtime. This was also a VERY good move:



VERY, VERY good move by SAN.



Full log / review:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=743387

Wow!

Thanks for the feedback PT!

jer @h2o
04-11-2006, 02:26 PM
I was just looking around for a good MRP. I've heard nothing but good things about the taste of Infusion. I'll have to give it a try.

TheUnlikelyToad
04-11-2006, 02:55 PM
Bottles are nitrogen flushed before filling. This is to sterilize the inside of every container before it is filled with the Infusion powder.

As far as the EFA’s is concerned, since there is virtually no air exposure before opening,
we don't foresee any oxidation taking place until such time.

Lastly, the black bottle was designed for a special purpose; that is to specifically block out ultraviolant light thus protecting the EFA's as well as the probiotics in Infusion.

Awesome, thanks for tha reply.

So you'd still advise refrigeration once mixed correct?

I'll be honest, Joey talked it up so much I had to go out and buy a few bottles. :)

My interest lies in mixing a few up in advance to take to work on a day to day basis.

musclescientist
04-11-2006, 03:22 PM
Awesome, thanks for tha reply.

So you'd still advise refrigeration once mixed correct?

I'll be honest, Joey talked it up so much I had to go out and buy a few bottles. :)

My interest lies in mixing a few up in advance to take to work on a day to day basis.

Yes, optimally though you should consume the beverage immediately upon mixing it. Why don't you use Ziplock bags to transport the powder?? Please send Joey my best regards. He runs a fine company

TheUnlikelyToad
04-11-2006, 03:30 PM
Yes, optimally though you should consume the beverage immediately upon mixing it. Why don't you use Ziplock bags to transport the powder?? Please send Joey my best regards. He runs a fine company

Why?

Because obviously I'm not as smart as you.

Had I actually thought of that myself, it wouldn't be a problem. :D

Thanks again.

solarize
04-11-2006, 07:02 PM
Available in Australia when?

03051982
04-11-2006, 07:14 PM
dumb question, why wouldn't you use this product post workout?? because there are no high GI carbs or simple sugars??

jdiritto
04-11-2006, 07:23 PM
ideally straight isolates are best post workout (their absorbed fastest)

i would use this as a MRP, it really fills you up...and im sure the newer version with oats as fiber is even more satisfying than the outdated wildberry i reviewed awhile back!

sawastea
04-11-2006, 07:26 PM
Please send Joey my best regards. He runs a fine company

e-flirt alert!!!




Why?

Because obviously I'm not as smart as you.

Had I actually thought of that myself, it wouldn't be a problem.

Thanks again

Jordan,

Mixing protein and then letting it sit in the fridge and what not is not ideal, though it seems convenient. From my experience, unless you really ice it, the protein seems to mold up (gross). It just doesn't taste that good. I am unsure if it'll take away from the protein properties, though I don't see why it would. Just don't microwave your protein.




Available in Australia when?

Solarize, I don't see why BB.com can't ship this to the land down under. It is protein. Have you tried to order this?




dumb question, why wouldn't you use this product post workout?? because there are no high GI carbs or simple sugars??

That is correct, however, it does contain fat which will slow absorption when you need it the most. Your meals surrounding your workout/exercise should be carbohydrates and protein with minimal fats. Granted it contains MCT's, but I would take this pre-workout over post (if I had an option). The best time to take this would be in between meals as well as bedtime.

solarize
04-11-2006, 07:33 PM
As for below _ sure they can ship, but I was thinking more in terms of actual Supp shops in Australia.

SAN stuff like Bolt/V12 is sold here, just not your really "new" stuff - like above - just wondering if you have a heads up on when some of the Aussie suppliers are getting the stuff? I'm happy to take a shipment out to them if you like :)


Solarize, I don't see why BB.com can't ship this to the land down under. It is protein. Have you tried to order this?

sawastea
04-11-2006, 07:36 PM
As for below _ sure they can ship, but I was thinking more in terms of actual Supp shops in Australia.

SAN stuff like Bolt/V12 is sold here, just not your really "new" stuff - like above - just wondering if you have a heads up on when some of the Aussie suppliers are getting the stuff? I'm happy to take a shipment out to them if you like :)

Good point. I will bring it up with "the boss."

cakedonkey
04-11-2006, 08:36 PM
Perhaps this is what gives colostrum some fat-burning merit as I've heard before...


Leptin in bovine colostrum and milk.

Pinotti L, Rosi F.

Department of Veterinary Sciences and Technology for Food Safety, Veterinary Faculty, University of Milan, Italy. luciano.pinotti@unimi.it

We studied leptin content in bovine colostrum, milk and plasma during the first month of lactation, and investigated relationships between selected milk components and milk leptin in five multiparous dairy cows. Colostrum/milk yield and composition were measured on days 0, 10, 20, and 30 of lactation. Leptin was assayed using a multi-species leptin RIA kit. Leptin concentration was 56 % lower in mature milk (day 10) than colostrum (13.90 vs. 6.14 microg/l; p < 0.001), but remained steady over the twenty days afterwards. Daily secretion of leptin into mature milk was 28 % lower than into colostrum (173.2 microg/d vs. 220.0 microg/d; p = 0.09) notwithstanding an 80 % increase in production. Colostrum and milk leptin levels correlated with fat (0.90; p < 0.001) and choline phospholipid (0.76; p < 0.05). Plasma and milk leptin decreased during the first month, but remained higher in milk, and highest in colostrum. Thus, leptin is present in large quantities in colostrum, less so and more variably in untreated milk, and is likely to be decreased in skimmed milk. These findings have implications for the use of untreated milk and colostrum-based (functional) food products.

PMID: 16523408 [PubMed - in process]

Vinnie Bobarino
04-11-2006, 08:38 PM
Perhaps this is what gives colostrum some fat-burning merit as I've heard before...


Leptin in bovine colostrum and milk.

Pinotti L, Rosi F.

Department of Veterinary Sciences and Technology for Food Safety, Veterinary Faculty, University of Milan, Italy. luciano.pinotti@unimi.it

We studied leptin content in bovine colostrum, milk and plasma during the first month of lactation, and investigated relationships between selected milk components and milk leptin in five multiparous dairy cows. Colostrum/milk yield and composition were measured on days 0, 10, 20, and 30 of lactation. Leptin was assayed using a multi-species leptin RIA kit. Leptin concentration was 56 % lower in mature milk (day 10) than colostrum (13.90 vs. 6.14 microg/l; p < 0.001), but remained steady over the twenty days afterwards. Daily secretion of leptin into mature milk was 28 % lower than into colostrum (173.2 microg/d vs. 220.0 microg/d; p = 0.09) notwithstanding an 80 % increase in production. Colostrum and milk leptin levels correlated with fat (0.90; p < 0.001) and choline phospholipid (0.76; p < 0.05). Plasma and milk leptin decreased during the first month, but remained higher in milk, and highest in colostrum. Thus, leptin is present in large quantities in colostrum, less so and more variably in untreated milk, and is likely to be decreased in skimmed milk. These findings have implications for the use of untreated milk and colostrum-based (functional) food products.

PMID: 16523408 [PubMed - in process]

I seriously doubt there is enough Colostrum in Infusion to do much of anything. It is the last ingredient listed in the protein blend and Colostrum is very expensive.

I do like Infusion though.

cakedonkey
04-11-2006, 08:41 PM
This might also be of interest (I realize it resulted in no strength increase but increased EAA concentrations must have some sort of benefit)...

Protein metabolism and strength performance after bovine colostrum supplementation.

Mero A, Nykanen T, Keinanen O, Knuutinen J, Lahti K, Alen M, Rasi S, Leppaluoto J.

Department of Biology of Physical Activity, University of Jyvaskyla, Jyvaskyla, Finland. antti.mero@sport.jyu.fi

This study was designed to determine the responses of muscle protein, serum amino acids, and strength performance to bovine colostrum supplementation in physically active men. The rest (R) group (n = 6) and the exercise (E) group (n = 6) carried out twice a 2-week experiment randomly assigned in a double-blind fashion with either placebo (PLA; consuming daily 20 g maltodextrin) or bovine colostrum (COL; consuming daily 20 g colostrum supplement) treatment with one month between. On the test day after the treatment period the measurements were carried out in fasting conditions and E carried out a strength training session (STS). The methods involved the infusion of ring-(2)H(5)-phenylalanine, femoral arterial and venous blood sampling, and biopsies from the vastus lateralis muscle. Serum concentration of essential amino acids during recovery was greater (p < 0.05) in the COL groups compared with the PLA groups. Both muscle protein synthesis and breakdown increased (p < 0.05) with COL. There were no differences in phenylalanine net balance or strength performance between the PLA and COL groups. It was concluded that a 2-week supplementation with bovine colostrum in physically active men increases serum concentration of essential amino acids but has no effect either on strength performance or protein net balance in fasting conditions during recovery after STS.

PMID: 15789141 [PubMed - in process]

cakedonkey
04-11-2006, 08:43 PM
The effects of bovine colostrum supplementation on body composition and exercise performance in active men and women.

Antonio J, Sanders MS, Van Gammeren D.

University of Delaware, Sports Science Laboratory, Newark, Delaware 19176, USA. exphys@aol.com

The purpose of this study was to determine the effect of 8 wk of bovine colostrum supplementation on body composition and exercise performance in active men and women. Subjects were randomly assigned to a placebo (whey protein) and colostrum group (20 g/d in powder form). Each subject participated in aerobic and heavy-resistance training at least three times per wk. Body composition was assessed via dual x-ray absorptiometry analysis. Treadmill time to exhaustion, one repetition maximum strength (bench press), and the total number of repetitions performed during one set to exhaustion at a submaximal load for the bench press (50% and 100% of body weight for women and men, respectively) were ascertained. The whey protein group experienced a significant increase (P < 0.05) in body weight (mean increase of 2.11 kg), whereas the colostrum group experienced a significant (P < 0.05) increase in bone-free lean body mass (mean increase of 1.49 kg). There were no changes in any of the other parameters measured. Thus, supplementation with bovine colostrum (20 g/d) in combination with exercise training for 8 wk may increase bone-free lean body mass in active men and women.

Publication Types:

* Clinical Trial
* Randomized Controlled Trial


PMID: 11312068 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Vinnie Bobarino
04-11-2006, 08:45 PM
Dude, you are pimping Colostrum like this product actually has enough Colostrum to do anything, and anyone with a brain knows that it does not.

cakedonkey
04-11-2006, 08:46 PM
Vinnie,

While I am personally not sure of how much is actually in there (I'd have to contact Matt or perhaps he could chime in), the fact that it is even present in the blend is pretty significant if you ask me. I am just posting the studies as it is a very rarely talked about protein, and I think it'd be great if people like Phosphate bond, etc. could check them out and give us further input on this incredible protein source.

Even if there is a somewhat small amount, I am sure it would still exert some sort of benefit.

Vinnie Bobarino
04-11-2006, 08:51 PM
Vinnie,

While I am personally not sure of how much is actually in there (I'd have to contact Matt or perhaps he could chime in), the fact that it is even present in the blend is pretty significant if you ask me. I am just posting the studies as it is a very rarely talked about protein, and I think it'd be great if people like Phosphate bond, etc. could check them out and give us further input on this incredible protein source.

Even if there is a somewhat small amount, I am sure it would still exert some sort of benefit.

How is it significant if the blend has less than 1 gram of it in there? Yeah, I do not know exactly how much Colostrum is in there, but I do know the studies you are posting use 20 grams or more, which is almost half of what is in Infusion. Also, it is the last ingredient listed in the blend and Colostrum by itself cost more than Infusion which is already pretty pricey. Although a good product I have used myself.

It just seems as if you are pimping something that is in the product to just say it is in there, but in reality there is not enough of it in there to do anything IMHO.

cakedonkey
04-11-2006, 08:52 PM
You could very well be right in that. I just think it would make for very interesting discussion. The dosage in the study does seem pretty high; and, you are right, colostrum is damn expensive stuff. Perhaps a lower dosage has more of an "immunity" sort of effect as opposed to strength and related aspects.

Micellear casein, however, which is first in the blend, has quite a bit of impressive research.

Vinnie Bobarino
04-11-2006, 08:57 PM
You could very well be right in that. I just think it would make for very interesting discussion. The dosage in the study does seem pretty high; and, you are right, colostrum is damn expensive stuff. Perhaps a lower dosage has more of an "immunity" sort of effect as opposed to strength and related aspects.

Micellear casein, however, which is first in the blend, has quite a bit of impressive research.


True, like I said, I like Infusion. It is high in fiber, the protein blend is impressive and the fat blend is as well.

cakedonkey
04-12-2006, 01:12 AM
True, like I said, I like Infusion. It is high in fiber, the protein blend is impressive and the fat blend is as well.


It really does have it all, and that's far from an overstatement. There simply isn't another MRP on the market that gives it much if any competition.

sawastea
04-12-2006, 04:23 PM
Solarize, I believe I have your answer...check your PM

cakedonkey
04-13-2006, 08:06 PM
Bottles are nitrogen flushed before filling. This is to sterilize the inside of every container before it is filled with the Infusion powder.

As far as the EFA’s is concerned, since there is virtually no air exposure before opening,
we don't foresee any oxidation taking place until such time.

Lastly, the black bottle was designed for a special purpose; that is to specifically block out ultraviolant light thus protecting the EFA's as well as the probiotics in Infusion.


Wow, reading over the thread again...

This just speaks volumes for S.A.N.'s commitment to quality. Unreal.

daveburton
04-14-2006, 12:30 AM
The Cinnamon Oatmeal flavor is excellent... and when I say excellent, I mean that it fills a void in the industry.

I second that!

solarize
04-14-2006, 03:43 AM
Solarize, I believe I have your answer...check your PM

Thanks, Email sent.
You US guys really need to get someone out from the US to handle Distribution over here. Our prices for protein are exorbatant, even at the discount places. There are plenty of bb stores also. Maybe our import duties are the reason, but with the recent free trade agreement with the US, I dont freakn get it.

For Example
On Is $39AUD from the bb.com store. ($29 USD) - 5pounds.
Cheapest 5lb in aus is $75AUD, on special. Retails much higher.

Thats basically double the price. Something just aint right! Max's (aussie brand) and redback also make protein here, however its pretty much the same price.

If we didnt have the 3month import restriction, I could make a living bringing in compounds and re-selling them. Hope your stuff is picked up in Aus, and not overlooked because it is overpriced.

Hell, i reckon I could open up 100 PO Boxes, in seperate names, and get a 3month supply of your protein shipped to each, staggered over 3 months so as not to arouse suspicion. That would be over 900 tubs I would say, enough to provide product to atleast one state for a month I would think. /me goes off and thinks about this for a while....

cakedonkey
05-04-2006, 10:14 PM
Just bumping this. Now I even have a review of the stuff... :D

See: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=781604.

Any questions/comments are definitely encouraged. Infusion is practically powdered gold! (well, uh...). ;)

deserusan
05-04-2006, 10:22 PM
Do you SAN folks have any samples of this? I'd love to give it a try.

cakedonkey
05-04-2006, 10:24 PM
You're gonna have to shoot Matt an e-mail. I know stonecoldtruth wanted to try it a while back, though I think Matt has been somewhat busy lately. I've PMed you his e-mail, deserusan.

TheUnlikelyToad
05-05-2006, 07:16 AM
Here is my two cents...

In tha past few months I've tried every flavor except Oatmeal Cinnamon.

Of the ones I've tried, Vanilla Carmel is the winner hands down as far as taste. This is surprising even to myself as I usually hate Vanilla flavored proteins, in fact I NEVER buy them. To me they always taste way too fake and 'thin'. Carmel Swirl however was on sale and to my surprise quite enjoyable. It is almost as if it has a hint of coconut instead of carmel. Tha other aspect I liked is that this one hardly tastes bitter. For whatever reason tha other two have a bitter taste that kinda masks it true flavor. I'm not quite sure why this is, but with tha Vanilla it isn't a problem.

cakedonkey
05-05-2006, 12:35 PM
Hey, thanks a ton for the feedback Toad!

I've only tried Wildberry Yogurt and Cinnamon Oatmeal. While I love them both, Cinnamon Oatmeal wins by a longshot. Seriously, wait till you try the stuff.

UberBerzerker
05-05-2006, 12:41 PM
You're gonna have to shoot Matt an e-mail. I know stonecoldtruth wanted to try it a while back, though I think Matt has been somewhat busy lately. I've PMed you his e-mail, deserusan.

let me know what he finds out, please. I am interested in this product for me and my wife, but I would like to buy some samples of all those tastey flavors to see which she likes best. Her taste is VERY VERY picky....:(

I just don't wanna spend $200 on different flavors if she's not going to eat any of it, knowhaddamean?

cakedonkey
05-05-2006, 12:43 PM
I hear ya. Believe me, if I could somehow obtain samples I'd send them out ASAP. Matt's a busy guy. I do have a tub of every flavor sitting here, but I really don't think it'd be the best (or safest) idea to Zip-Lock four scoops and mail it out to ya--"knowhaddamean"? ;)

UberBerzerker
05-05-2006, 12:46 PM
I hear ya. Believe me, if I could somehow obtain samples I'd send them out ASAP. Matt's a busy guy. I do have a tub of every flavor sitting here, but I really don't think it'd be the best (or safest) idea to Zip-Lock four scoops and mail it out to ya--"knowhaddamean"? ;)


yes, I would not eat a bag of powder in a ziplock bag mailed to me by someone named 'cakedonkey':D


don't mock my liguistic stylings, you know they be pimp :cool:

Lonny
05-05-2006, 08:26 PM
Cake, feel free to send Matt and email about seeing if there are samples. They don't have any as far as I can tell.

Uber, and to whoever else it concerns. Believe me as much as you can believe someone over the internet who you've never met or will meet who reps for the company. :D

Cinnamon Oatmeal does not give the flavour justice. It tastes like a Cinnamon bun in milk. Unbelievably good. I've yet to try the carmel swirl.

Sixpack
05-05-2006, 08:34 PM
Hell I would buy some samples if I could of the CO

cakedonkey
05-05-2006, 08:39 PM
Cake, feel free to send Matt and email about seeing if there are samples. They don't have any as far as I can tell.

Cinnamon Oatmeal does not give the flavour justice. It tastes like a Cinnamon bun in milk. Unbelievably good. I've yet to try the carmel swirl.

I've already sent Matt two e-mails over the past few days [relating to other things than samples], so I don't want to flood his inbox...

And I finally got to try the Cinnamon Oatmeal today. All I can say is, you were right. "Cinnamon bun in milk" is the perfect way to explain it... unreal.

cakedonkey
05-05-2006, 08:44 PM
Also, for those wondering the healthy fats ratio in Infusion:


(per serving):
Flaxseed Powder: 3.0g
MCT Powder: 3.0g
CLA Calcium Salt: 1.5g
Sunflower Oil: 1.5g

bodybuilder45
05-05-2006, 08:47 PM
id be willing to pay for a sample of cinnamon oatmeal if possible. i wanna try it out but i absolutely love vanilla caramel swirl. IMO, better than all muscle milk flavors. i would like to try a sample before purchasing an entire tub cause this stuff isnt cheap (although it is worth the cash). vanilla caramle swirl would be hard to top. can anyone whos tried both compare them tatsewise?

sawastea
05-08-2006, 02:47 PM
Dang, I was in Argentina for a week and missed some good posts. I recently recd the cinnamon-oatmeal as well and will try it VERY soon :D

size
05-08-2006, 03:11 PM
In the past, I used quite a few bottles of the chocolate peanut butter and I really enjoyed it. To me, it is a high quality product, but I too would like to know how much colostrum it contains considering the price of the product/servings.

musclescientist
05-08-2006, 04:48 PM
In the past, I used quite a few bottles of the chocolate peanut butter and I really enjoyed it. To me, it is a high quality product, but I too would like to know how much colostrum it contains considering the price of the product/servings.

For those who want to know the exact %s:

47grams of Protein Blend=
(Micellar Casein 30%, WPC 30%, WPI 25%, Colostrum 10%, Lactalbumin 5%)

musclescientist
05-08-2006, 04:52 PM
Do you SAN folks have any samples of this? I'd love to give it a try.

We use to, but they are simply cost prohibitive to say the least.

G.W. Hayduke
05-08-2006, 05:00 PM
For those who want to know the exact %s:

47grams of Protein Blend=
(Micellar Casein 30%, WPC 30%, WPI 25%, Colostrum 10%, Lactalbumin 5%)
Holy shiat! That is great! From my un-biased point of view, Infusion really is the best MRP available. :)

Did I mention I'm associate editor at Body of Science magazine? Maybe we can work something out? :cool:

JOBrian
07-06-2007, 08:42 AM
Why can't you take it post workout? Seems like it would be good to have immediately after a workout.

Lonny
07-06-2007, 11:09 AM
Why can't you take it post workout? Seems like it would be good to have immediately after a workout.

The high fat content is not a good idea post workout. It is also pretty filling, so your post workout meal would also be tough to get down.

JOBrian
07-06-2007, 11:51 AM
when should you take it then. Sorry I'm new to bodybuilding and don't know what to do about post workout and didn't know you also have a postworkout meal. What should they contain, like what foods and so on.

cakedonkey
07-06-2007, 11:55 AM
when should you take it then. Sorry I'm new to bodybuilding and don't know what to do about post workout and didn't know you also have a postworkout meal. What should they contain, like what foods and so on.


It's an MRP, or meal replacement, so basically whenever you can't get a "real" meal in. If I'm in a rush in the morning, Infusion + milk fits the bill pretty nicely most of the time.

Immediate post-workout you just want whey and carbs (and creatine if you didn't get this in the pre-workout window). So just something like whey, milk and oats would work nicely. Post-workout meal should include protein, carbs, and fat.

cakedonkey
08-07-2007, 04:09 AM
Bumping this.

Been noticing some Infusion questions as of late.

Come get some of that DESIGNER SUPERFOOD.

murph
08-07-2007, 05:27 AM
any chance at some new flavors?

ZDub212
08-30-2007, 07:05 PM
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=4396503

I had no say in the matter...I simply had to :D

Peter LeDrew
01-30-2008, 09:55 PM
I forgot about this product after checking it out once. What an awesome product and I hope you guys are doing well with it. It certainley deserves to be successfull.
Woud indeed be a more costly formula to make, but it is exactly what I am looking for and seems priced fair.

Yet to try it, but awesome formula. There is only a minor addition I would have, but not a big deal regardless and I can add it easily if desired.
One ingredient that will soon be a breakthrough ingredient before long I am confident... curious hey. :)

I really want to begin trying this and perhaps making it a permanent staple... convenience, health attributes, lean maintenance, optimal proteins, etc... soooooo many upsides to this. And if it tastes good!?! Wow. :)

I'm serious, I wish I could buy this in bulk barrels and save money!

Any chance you will be offering larger sizes for those who want to have it as a staple?

I guess it is another product I am going to have to look into this year... one of my top 3 to try for sure. Infuse me please.

SANN deserves high praise and support for this beautiful creature.

Zachattack43
01-30-2008, 10:45 PM
I forgot about this product after checking it out once. What an awesome product and I hope you guys are doing well with it. It certainley deserves to be successfull.
Woud indeed be a more costly formula to make, but it is exactly what I am looking for and seems priced fair.

Yet to try it, but awesome formula. There is only a minor addition I would have, but not a big deal regardless and I can add it easily if desired.
One ingredient that will soon be a breakthrough ingredient before long I am confident... curious hey. :)

I really want to begin trying this and perhaps making it a permanent staple... convenience, health attributes, lean maintenance, optimal proteins, etc... soooooo many upsides to this. And if it tastes good!?! Wow. :)

I'm serious, I wish I could buy this in bulk barrels and save money!

Any chance you will be offering larger sizes for those who want to have it as a staple?

I guess it is another product I am going to have to look into this year... one of my top 3 to try for sure. Infuse me please.

SANN deserves high praise and support for this beautiful creature.

if you go to the trade shows, I bought 2 jugs for $50 at the O

chumbucket_
02-26-2008, 11:06 PM
bump

is it alright to have san infusion as my last meal? im thinking of taking it at around 9pm (damn night classes)

Elliptical Envy
02-26-2008, 11:18 PM
bump

is it alright to have san infusion as my last meal? im thinking of taking it at around 9pm (damn night classes)

That is fine. It contains a lot of protein and healthy fats so I see no problem with that.

TinyMan
02-26-2008, 11:20 PM
bump

is it alright to have san infusion as my last meal? im thinking of taking it at around 9pm (damn night classes)

Absolutely. The slow digesting nature of high complexity carbohydrates, fats, and slow proteins (the casein) make it a good pre-bed shake.

KingBert
06-07-2010, 08:12 PM
Sorry to bump an old thread but I have been looking for a meal replacement for breakfast, right before I go workout.

San Infusion has been getting a lot of great reviews, but perhaps I am missing something.

San Infusion has 14g carbs per serving, but the thread listed below says that we need lots of carbs for our pre-workout meal.

Does this mean people (that aren't cutting) must add extra carbs on the side in order to take this as a pre-workout meal? PLEASE SEE QUOTED THREAD BELOW

If I am correct, I'd rather not have to add the extra food. Is there another great meal replacement that has the carbs and everything else for a pre-workout meal?


(Sorry, I'm not allowed to post links yet. The thread I am talking about it is called:
"Pre, During, and Post-Workout Nutrition" - Alan Aragon

60-90 minutes preworkout, have a solid, balanced meal:

Protein = 0.25g/lb TBW
Carbs = 0.25g/lb TBW
Adding fat at this point is fine, use your discretion as long as it fits into your macro goals. Note that this meal is skipped if you train 1st thing in the morning.

[OR]

30-0 minutes preworkout - (and/or sipped throughout the workout), have a liquid or easily digested meal:

Protein = 0.25g/lb TBW
Carbs = 0.25g/lb TBW
If you were going to train for close to or more than 2 hours continuously, it would definitely benefit you to have this extra preworkout meal either immediately prior to, or sipped during training. Keep the fats here incidental & not added if you're prone to gastric distress during training.