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pu12en12g
03-22-2006, 04:43 PM
CONTROLLED LABS PURPLE WRAATH™:
Ergogenic Essential Amino Acid Matrix
945 Grams (2.1 Pounds) Grape Powder

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Discover the "Holy Grail" of bodybuilding and athletic performance enhancement: maximizing lean gains and fat loss while enhancing recovery and increasing strength, endurance, and energy. Purple Wraath™ was created to be the most complete EAA/BCAA product on the market; keeping your body in a constant anabolic state and keeping you training hard with its added super endurance complex.

Key Attributes:

- Fast absorption/fast acting
- EAA & BCAA
- Caffeine-free ergogenic formula
- Delicious tangy grape flavor
- Natural anabolic environment
- Increase athletic performance, endurance, focus, stamina, and muscle recovery
- Legal, safe, and effective for both men and women
- Stimulate metabolism to reduce body fat
- Explosive strength, power, and energy
- Increase or maintain muscle mass whether cutting or bulking
- Dextrose/maltodextrin free

Discover the "Holy Grail" of bodybuilding and athletic performance enhancement: maximizing lean gains and fat loss while enhancing recovery and increasing strength, endurance, and energy.

Sound too good to be true? Keep reading...

We all know that supplements are not a replacement for nutrition and training, but if you are looking for a supplement to enhance every part of your workout and take your gains to the next level... look no further than Purple Wraath™ by Controlled Labs.

PurplEAA Complex™:

The Purple Wraath™ PurplEAA Complex™ is a very efficient formula based on the science of actual homo sapiens muscle protein and clinical studies on human amino acid assimilation. Essential Amino Acids (EAA's) are the "building blocks" of lean muscle mass, but the EAA's from whey protein can take hours to enter circulation. The solution is the Purple Wraath™ fast-acting, free-form PurplEAA Complex™:

While essential amino acids function cohesively as a group to aid in your training, additionally they each produce a significant benefit when it comes to training:

Leucine:
- Primary anabolic trigger
- Enhance recovery
- Optimize hormone levels

Valine:
- Energy
- Recovery
- Glucose production
- Nitrogen balance
- Anti-inflammatory
- Analgesic

Isoleucine:
- Energy
- Recovery
- Glucose production
- Hormones

Lysine:
- Beta-oxidation
- Nitrogen balance
- Calcium absorption
- Energy

Arginine:
- Vasodilator
- Nutrient delivery
- Anti-Catabolic

Histidine:
- Vasodilator
- Sexual function

Threonine:
- Nutrient uptake
- Immune system

Methionine:
- Enhance metabolism
- Energy
- Mood
- Antioxidant

Phenylalanine:
- Energy
- Hormones
- Mood

It's important to understand that our EAA Complex includes all of the BCAA's (Branched Chain Amino Acids) that you have used in the past, including a precise ratio of leucine. Research shows that blood levels of these KEY amino acids are directly related to muscle protein synthesis, so we formulated a comprehensive and efficient matrix to enhance lean mass directly and indirectly, and under various conditions. Now, that ratio is important, but there are some other very exciting points about this formula. Unlike some of the amino acid supplements on the market, you aren't paying for cheap "filler" ingredients such as dextrose or maltodextrin when you purchase Purple Wraath™. Also, we chose not to include the amino acid glutamine since it is not an essential amino acid, and our bodies can synthesize it on its own in sufficient quantities. Because the studies that we based this formula off of do not use tryptophan and since it has the potential for "sedative" like side affects, we designed Purple Wraath™ to be completely tryptophan-free.

By combining intense exercise or weightlifting with the fast absorbing PurplEAA Complex™ you can rush nutrients into the active cells of your working muscles, creating an anabolic environment optimal for recovery and lean mass.

What would an EAA product be without some amazing support ingredients? Good, but not great. To make this formula great we added the PurplEndurance Complex™.

PurplEndurance Complex™:

You can't create an optimal anabolic environment without intensity so Controlled Labs decided to take things to the extreme with Purple Wraath™ by including the ultimate caffeine-free Ergogenic Complex:

So what does each of the ingredients in the PurplEndurance Complex™ do?

Beta-Alanine:
- Helps increase aerobic efficiency
- Helps enhance oxygen transport
- Helps to reduce lactic acid accumulation

Citrulline Malate:
- Reduces Lactic Acid and Ammonia
- Boosts energy production
- Has an oxygen sparing effect
- Boosts mitochondrial function

Betaine Anhydrous:
- Key osmotic/cellular hydration ingredient
- Enhances muscle fullness
- Acts as an energy enzyme protector
- Induces the conversion of homocysteine to methionine
- Elevates glutathione levels
- Promotes liver health
- Helps you maintain intracellular electrolytes
- Enhances metabolism

Ginger:
- Aids in nutrient absorption
- Enhances digestion/stomach function
- Produces a nootropic effect

Norvaline:
- Helps elevate naturally occurring eNOS


As you can see, we have responded to customer demand and the result: Purple Wraath™...the most advanced pre-workout product available!!

hithard
03-22-2006, 04:43 PM
1st I win

jdiritto
03-22-2006, 04:44 PM
wow :cool: <3 i bet its awsome

edit: imagine this mixed with grape xtend... !

hithard
03-22-2006, 04:45 PM
as I recal you guys said it wouldn't be an EAA, :p

Runngunn29
03-22-2006, 04:46 PM
its about damn time...

pu12en12g
03-22-2006, 04:46 PM
CONTROLLED LABS - PURPLE WRAATH™ FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)
by pt@controlledlabs.com

What is PURPLE WRAATH™ ?

PURPLE WRAATH™ is a Tangy Grape flavored Ergogenic EAA / BCAA Matrix !!

When can I purchase PURPLE WRAATH™ ?

It should be available @ most retailers the last week of March.

Where can I purchase PURPLE WRAATH™ and how much will it cost ?

Internet retailers will have the best prices (around $50): http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/clabs/clabs.htm

How many servings per bottle ? 90

How many servings per day ? 1-2

So... how many days will each bottle last ? 45-90 Days

What are BCAA's ?

Branched Chain Amino Acids

Branched chain amino acids (BCAA's) are of special importance for athletes because they are metabolized in the muscle, rather than in the liver. These aminos can either be used to build new proteins or as fuel to produce energy.

What are EAA's ?

Essential Amino Acids

This is where people often get confused, because the EAA's include BCAA's... and then some. Unlike non-essential amino acids, the Essential Amino Acids cannot be "synthesized" by the body in "optimal" quantities for the bodybuilder / athlete. There are 9 essential amino acids: histidine, isoleucine, leucine, lysine, methionine, phenylalanine, tryptophan, and valine.

What does Ergogenic mean ? "Increasing capacity for bodily or mental labor especially by eliminating fatigue symptoms"

Does PURPLE WRAATH™ replace proper nutrition, training, and cardio ?

No

Is PURPLE WRAATH™ for men or women ?

Both

Is PURPLE WRAATH™ for pre-cardio or pre-workout ?

PURPLE WRAATH™ is perfect for both

Does PURPLE WRAATH™ replace whey protein ?

No, but it can replace your pre-workout whey protein

I'm on a carb-cycling diet... is PURPLE WRAATH™ good for me ?

PURPLE WRAATH™ is a great option for carb-cyclers !

I'm on a low carb diet... is PURPLE WRAATH™ good for me ?

PURPLE WRAATH™ is a great option for those on a low-carb diet !

What "basic" supplements do you recommend while taking PURPLE WRAATH™ ?

Creatine, such as Green Bulge (pre-workout)
Whey Protein (throughout the day)
PLENTY of water (this is critical)
Multivitamin
Fishoil / EFA

Besides the "basic" supplements listed above, what other supplements do you recommend to maximize my results while on PURPLE WRAATH™ ?

GlycerGrow (during cardio / training)
White Blood (pre-workout or before bed)
Green Bulge (pre-workout)
Red Acid (pre-workout) during a fatloss / cutting phase

Why didn't Controlled Labs include Glutamine in PURPLE WRAATH™ ?

Great question !!

We could have included it, but we wanted to give the consumer the best "bang-for-buck" and glutamine POWDER simply isn't necessary or essential. If you want glutamine (for whatever reason) you can pick some up for $20 per kilo (1000g) to stack with PURPLE WRAATH™

Why didn't Controlled Labs include Dextrose / Maltodextrin / Carbs in PURPLE WRAATH™ ?

Great question !!

1) Including simple carbs in PURPLE WRAATH™ wouldn't be optimal for those who want to take several scoops at one time (instead of drinking it over a extended period of time)

2) We could have included cheap "filler" ingredients such as Maltodextrin / Dextrose, but do you really want to spend your hard earned money on DIRT CHEAP SIMPLE CARBS ? If you really want to use simple carbs I suggest buying them seperately and drinking them over a extended period of time...better yet, pick up some oats or palatinose.

3) Long term health. Simple carbs like Dextrose / Maltodextrin MAY not be optimal for long term health. More research is needed in this area.

4) Low carb diets. Nothing is more frustrating than being on a low carb diet and realizing that your supplement if full of carbs.

When you choose PURPLE WRAATH™, you are getting the active, effective ingredients and no "fillers", and we're very proud and excited to finally offer this option to the consumer.

I'm on medication or I have a health condition, should I take PURPLE WRAATH™ ?

Ask your doctor before taking PURPLE WRAATH™

Is it necessary to cycle PURPLE WRAATH™ ?

This depends on many variables, but if using it as a standalone, we generally recommend that you cycle off PURPLE WRAATH™ every 6 to 12 weeks

When starting and stopping PURPLE WRAATH™, should I "taper" up / down the dosage ?

This is always a good idea, but not required

What are some good indications that I'm losing fat or gaining lean mass while on PURPLE WRAATH™ ?

Mirror / Appearance
Measurements / Bodyfat caliper
Bodyweight / Strength

I workout in the evening / before bedtime, is there anything I should know ?

VERY good question. Depending on the dosage, it's possible that the PURPLE WRAATH™ endurance complex could prevent you from getting deep / quality sleep... if this happens, simply reduce your PURPLE WRAATH™ dosage

I workout in the morning / right after breakfast, is there anything I should know ?

VERY good question. The main thing you should know is that PURPLE WRAATH™ is ABSOLUTELY PERFECT for that scenario.

I've heard alot about "megadosing" EAA's and BCAA's... can I megadose PURPLE WRAATH™ ?

VERY good question.. in this scenario I recommend picking up some bulk leucine powder to "megadose" along with the recommended PURPLE WRAATH™ dosage.

I heard that all of your products are "Real World" tested and 105% Guaranteed... how many "Real World" PURPLE WRAATH™ testers do you have ?

25 public testers so far

Can I stack PURPLE WRAATH™ with Green Bulge™ ?

Yes

Can I stack PURPLE WRAATH™ with White Blood ™ ?

Yes

Can I stack PURPLE WRAATH™ with GlycerGrow ™ ?

Yes

Can I stack PURPLE WRAATH™ with Red Acid ™ ?

Yes

Can I stack PURPLE WRAATH™ with Blue Up ™ ?

Yes

Can I stack PURPLE WRAATH™ with Blue Up ™ (Stim Free) ?

Yes

So... after PURPLE WRAATH™.. what product is next for Controlled Labs... can you give us any insight ?

Exciting stuff... we recently did some research on what consumers wanted from Controlled Labs, and our next product will be released very soon. It will be a very cost-effective "staple" product that everyone will love. We also have several VERY innovative projects in various stages of research and development.

Can Purple Wraath be used to aid in a bulking diet? It says lower body fat which makes it appeal to a cutters diet more, but in your description it says cut or bulk. Is it really any good for a bulk?

Definately a great choice for a bulk and here's why.

Many of our customers that are bulkin have been looking for a comprehensive "True Ergogenic" that is designed more for "pure energy" instead of "appetite supression". The more intense your workout... the more you will love the benefits of PURPLE WRAATH™ so it fills the bill perfectly.

Why EAAs over BCAAs? I think it's a solid blend, but is there research out there that points to this over BCAAs?

J Nutr. 2006 Jan;136(1 Suppl):234S-6S.
Modulations of muscle protein metabolism by branched-chain amino acids in normal and muscle-atrophying rats.

Kobayashi H, Kato H, Hirabayashi Y, Murakami H, Suzuki H.

Applied Research Department, AminoScience Laboratories, Ajinomoto Co., Kawasaki, Japan. hisamine_kobayashi@ajinomoto.com

It has been shown that BCAAs, especially leucine, regulate skeletal muscle protein metabolism. However, it remains unclear how BCAAs regulate muscle protein metabolism and lead to anabolism in vivo. We examined muscle protein synthesis rate and breakdown rate simultaneously during BCAA infusion in muscle atrophy models as well as in normal healthy rats. Corticosterone-treated rats and hindlimb-immobilized rats were used as muscle atrophy models. Muscle protein synthesis rate and breakdown rate were measured as phenylalanine kinetics across the hindlimb. In anesthetized normal rats, BCAAs stimulated muscle protein synthesis despite low insulin concentration and did not suppress muscle protein breakdown. In corticosterone-treated rats, BCAAs failed to restore inhibited muscle protein synthesis, but reduced muscle protein breakdown. Immobilization of hindlimb increased muscle protein breakdown within a day. BCAAs did not change muscle protein metabolism, although essential amino acids (EAAs) suppressed muscle protein breakdown in hindlimb-immobilized rats. We also evaluated changes of fractional synthesis rate (FSR) of skeletal muscle protein during infusion of leucine alone or EAAs for 4 h in anesthetized normal rats. FSR showed a transient increase at 15-30 min of leucine infusion and then declined, whereas FSR stayed elevated throughout EAA infusion. We concluded that

1) BCAAs primarily stimulate muscle protein synthesis in normal rats independently of insulin
2) EAAs are required to maintain the BCAA stimulation of muscle protein synthesis and
3) The effects of BCAAs on muscle protein metabolism differ between atrophy models.

Is grape the only flavor or are you going to have more than one?

Grape is the only flavor so far but as time goes on, we will probably add more flavors... ORANGE WRAATH anyone ???? :p

I've read this FAQ completely, and I still have a question or concern.. what should I do ?

Please E-Mail me: pt@controlledlabs.com and I'll get back to you as soon as possible

NumberTwentyTwo
03-22-2006, 04:48 PM
as I recal you guys said it wouldn't be an EAA, :p
i said it before you :p

pu12en12g
03-22-2006, 04:48 PM
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xJonathanx
03-22-2006, 04:48 PM
Sweet...

Dr.Dave1
03-22-2006, 04:48 PM
1st I win
ha ha ha . . . what do you win ;)

EAAs NICE! :D

Runngunn29
03-22-2006, 04:49 PM
looks like a pretty good product.. wonder how it tastes, ill be anxious to see what the testers say.

panic66
03-22-2006, 04:49 PM
Hells Yea! :)

hithard
03-22-2006, 04:53 PM
ha ha ha . . . what do you win ;)

EAAs NICE! :D
nothing....

My pride, and braging rights

Runngunn29
03-22-2006, 04:53 PM
i loved the glutamine reply. Bang for the buck is always key. I was hoping this was gonna be an EAA/BCAA supplement without the glutamine and it turned out to be

50 bones though

Blap Blaow
03-22-2006, 04:54 PM
I'd like to know how much Cit Malate is in there before I'd think about getting any. Gonna have to do my best impression of DWM...

jrsoxfan18
03-22-2006, 04:56 PM
Isn't $50 expensive for BCAA/EAA

superhombre2k
03-22-2006, 04:56 PM
Brilliant!

XCriticalBenchX
03-22-2006, 04:58 PM
pu12en12g

Damn, looks like a nice solid product. I wish i could have tested this. I might have to buy some of this when im done with my other test and give it a shot!

I may be looking into stacking this with glycergrow, that would probobly make awsome effects.

Mike

CONTROLLED LABS
03-22-2006, 04:59 PM
Isn't $50 expensive for BCAA/EAA
nope, its one of the cheapest EAA products on bb.com per gram and is comparable to BCAA products in price.

Here it is on our site (obviously more expensive, bb.com will be around $50 dollars)

http://www.controlledlabs.com/product.php?productid=10&cat=1&page=1

also, the name is Purple Wraath, not Purple Wrath, we took out the extra "a" as not to let people know what it is before the release date.

uhockey
03-22-2006, 05:00 PM
What are the doses on each of the BCAAs?

Bloute
03-22-2006, 05:00 PM
I'd like to know how much Cit Malate is in there before I'd think about getting any. Gonna have to do my best impression of DWM...


Bump for DWM. I really want to see him evaluate this blend.


Seems to be a solid product.

storm shadow
03-22-2006, 05:00 PM
FINALLY, Now I get to live on with my life! No but seriously thats freakin awsome, I suspected it would be somethin like this but I sure as hell can't wait to test it out!

cakedonkey
03-22-2006, 05:00 PM
Isn't $50 expensive for BCAA/EAA

That's how much Xtend costs. That's how much BCAA+G costs. Not in the least bit.

Congrats on this guys. Very nice formula. The inclusion of Beta-Alanine, Citrulline Malate, and even TMG/Betaine is pure genius. Anyway, the endurance complex really impressed me. Once I run out of BCAAs I might have to give this a shot.

KeyHAWK
03-22-2006, 05:00 PM
About time!!!

Blap Blaow
03-22-2006, 05:01 PM
I really like the lable BTW!

fish153
03-22-2006, 05:01 PM
Can't wait to read the logs on this one ... and then get my hands on some for me! :D

CONTROLLED LABS
03-22-2006, 05:02 PM
What are the doses on each of the BCAAs?
we follow the ratios set by some of the studies for the entire EAA mix. more than this I cannot elaborate on.

NumberTwentyTwo
03-22-2006, 05:03 PM
Isn't $50 expensive for BCAA/EAA
no...look at all-in-one

CONTROLLED LABS
03-22-2006, 05:03 PM
I really like the lable BTW!
PT was the genius behind the label effects and he contributed a ton to this product and really pushed for it, so he deserves the thanks. :)

Dr.Dave1
03-22-2006, 05:03 PM
Now to start speculating about the next release . . .

I've heard alot about "megadosing" EAA's and BCAA's... can I megadose
PURPLE WRAATH™ ?


VERY good question.. in this scenario I recommend picking up some bulk
leucine powder to "megadose" along with the recommended PURPLE WRAATH™
dosage.

So... after PURPLE WRAATH™.. what product is next for Controlled Labs...
can you give us any insight ?


Exciting stuff... we recently did some research on what consumers wanted
from Controlled Labs, and our next product will be released very soon. It
will be a very cost-effective "staple" product that everyone will love. We
also have several VERY innovative projects in various stages of research
and development.


hmmm . . . coincidence? I think not ;)
Hey, it's possible. . .

But in all seriousness it looks like a well put together product at a great price

turbos10
03-22-2006, 05:06 PM
Nice product guys!

Cant wait to get my hands on some to mix with my glycergrow for pre/during workouts.

KeyHAWK
03-22-2006, 05:06 PM
Thinking about it this is the first flavored product from CL so it will be fun to see how it tastes.

dee213
03-22-2006, 05:06 PM
looks really good. on the site it says "Delicious tangy grape flavor". I hope it doesnt taste like Nutrabolics Ester Stack! :p

martel04
03-22-2006, 05:08 PM
nice job CL looks like a great product i was hopeing for something like this. ingredients look very solid. its like xtend with a bunch of other goodies. cant wait to do the CL stack GB/WB/GG/PW after my ether. keep the good products coming CL.

Has Cricket Legs
03-22-2006, 05:10 PM
wow $100 on the CL website...

Looks like an interesting product. Makes me wish I wasnt using Body Octane :(

Nice job controlled labs.

dreadite
03-22-2006, 05:11 PM
Wow, I was going to buy it when it was called "Purple Wrath", but now that you guys have included TWO 'a's in 'wrath', it seems just that much more extreme and edgy! Coincidentally, I too, as a young person, am extreme and edgy! This product is for me!

JK guys. Im eager to see some logs about this stuff and see if its worthwhile.

jer @h2o
03-22-2006, 05:12 PM
Sounds good to me. Looking forward to testing it out.

When/how do you want my info?

NumberTwentyTwo
03-22-2006, 05:13 PM
the label is awsome

lift603
03-22-2006, 05:14 PM
Pu12 or tank So if Purple Wrath last about 45-90 days depending on if you megadose or not...and White Blood and Green Bulge last 30 days. How long will the logs be? Will we be taken Purple Wrath for a week or two first, to get it fully into our systems and then add in White Blood and Green Bulge?

Madevilz
03-22-2006, 05:14 PM
For once, im very excited about a CL product.
Cant wait to try it once I finish my two tubs of Xtend.

pu12en12g
03-22-2006, 05:15 PM
Pu12 or tank So if Purple Wrath last about 45-90 days depending on if you megadose or not...and White Blood and Green Bulge last 30 days. How long will the logs be? Will we be taken Purple Wrath for a week or two first, to get it fully into our systems and then add in White Blood and Green Bulge?

The log / review should last about as long as the PURPLE WRAATH bottle :cool: (see the testers needed thread - post 1)

cakedonkey
03-22-2006, 05:15 PM
Wow, I was going to buy it when it was called "Purple Wrath", but now that you guys have included TWO 'a's in 'wrath', it seems just that much more extreme and edgy! Coincidentally, I too, as a young person, am extreme and edgy! This product is for me!

JK guys. Im eager to see some logs about this stuff and see if its worthwhile.
If you notice, they also highlighted the "E" in "Purple". Hence, "EAA" (Essential Amino Acids).

turbos10
03-22-2006, 05:16 PM
Pu12 or tank So if Purple Wrath last about 45-90 days depending on if you megadose or not...and White Blood and Green Bulge last 30 days. How long will the logs be? Will we be taken Purple Wrath for a week or two first, to get it fully into our systems and then add in White Blood and Green Bulge?

The compounds in purple wraath don't look like they "build up". Pretty much instantly used.....just for clarification.

kyle00
03-22-2006, 05:17 PM
Great now I have to decide between Xtend and purple wrath haha... this may take a while.

storm shadow
03-22-2006, 05:19 PM
Wow a 45-90 day log! I'm expecting massive gains! I can't wait to see how my log goes and all of my fellow testers as well. Who else is posting before and after pics?

gresh
03-22-2006, 05:19 PM
I was looking for a good EAA product, DEFINITELY picking this one up. Should make an excellent during workout drink.

Mister_A
03-22-2006, 05:19 PM
Cant wait to try it. :)

dreadite
03-22-2006, 05:20 PM
If you notice, they also highlighted the "E" in "Purple". Hence, "EAA" (Essential Amino Acids).


Yeah, I realized it just after I posted that. At least it makes sense and isnt just stupid marketing.

kyle00
03-22-2006, 05:20 PM
Just a little comaprison question... why does Xtend have 40 calories pre serving and Purple Wrath have 0???

martel04
03-22-2006, 05:21 PM
yea now we have another product to choose from instead of just xtend,mrm bcaa+g,all in one. all 3 great products but i think eventually PW will be right up there with xtend. hopefully it taste good because watermelon xtend is great. looking foward to trying PW.

jer @h2o
03-22-2006, 05:21 PM
Who else is posting before and after pics?
Pretty sure that was part of the requirements.

So, I am. lol

Mister_A
03-22-2006, 05:22 PM
Just a little comaprison question... why does Xtend have 40 calories pre serving and Purple Wrath have 0???
Xtend does not. That was the old label.

Trans_Isomer
03-22-2006, 05:25 PM
BCAA's do have calories, but the FDA doesnt require supplement companies to label them, so they dont. Kind of a slick way of not listing them.

kyle00
03-22-2006, 05:25 PM
Xtend does not. That was the old label.

Gotcha.

pu12en12g
03-22-2006, 05:26 PM
Congrats on this guys. Very nice formula. The inclusion of Beta-Alanine, Citrulline Malate, and even TMG/Betaine is pure genius. Anyway, the endurance complex really impressed me. Once I run out of BCAAs I might have to give this a shot.

Thanks man.. I'm sure you'll love it :cool:

jerry.
03-22-2006, 05:27 PM
if this tastes good, then wow! great ingrediants... Kinda like and Xtend/BodyOctane in one. Great product CL.

solarize
03-22-2006, 05:29 PM
Looks like a great product - spewin i didnt get to test it. When are you distributing in the Australia?

dee213
03-22-2006, 05:29 PM
I'll be posting b4 and after pics. I gotta look over a few logs first to see the best format layout. First time doing this! Cant Wait!!

G.W. Hayduke
03-22-2006, 05:32 PM
Dammit! Now I do wish I signed up to be a tester. :p

Looks like a winner. The ginger is an interesting component. I can think of 3 good reasons why it should help... am I right? :D

EDIT: with this addition, I can see now how stacking GB/WB/GG with PW is highly complimentary. The little amounts of various ingredients keep adding up. Whose gonna be the first to step outta the closet and do the Rainbow Stack?

team america
03-22-2006, 05:33 PM
i believe i guessed in another thread it would b a bcaa eaa supplement but none the less looks like a great product and cant wait to get my hands on some. and if u think about the pricing it is equal to xtend just with some xtra goodies lets just hope the taste is good like a grape kool aid ... that would b nice

cuponoodles
03-22-2006, 05:43 PM
Very solid product, guys.

Two questions:

1.) P, why EAAs over BCAAs? I think it's a solid blend, but is there research out there that points to this over BCAAs?

2.) Is grape the only flavor or are you going to have more than one?

Again, good job on the product. Already looking forward to your next release.

CONTROLLED LABS
03-22-2006, 05:44 PM
Very solid product, guys.

Two questions:

1.) P, why EAAs over BCAAs? I think it's a solid blend, but is there research out there that points to this over BCAAs?

2.) Is grape the only flavor or are you going to have more than one?

Again, good job on the product. Already looking forward to your next release.
there is solid science for both. EAA have BCAA in them by default.

no new flavors for the near future, but as time goes on I am sure we will add more.

Coulaid
03-22-2006, 05:45 PM
Nice product... the BCAA\EAA products are really on a roll.

Runngunn29
03-22-2006, 05:47 PM
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Dr.Dave1
03-22-2006, 05:50 PM
Very solid product, guys.

Two questions:

1.) P, why EAAs over BCAAs? I think it's a solid blend, but is there research out there that points to this over BCAAs?

2.) Is grape the only flavor or are you going to have more than one?

Again, good job on the product. Already looking forward to your next release.
Check out http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=600050 for discussion on BCAAs vs EAAs . . . 1st post below for a quick glimpse


Lol. WTF, another moron opening a thread on this subject.!!!


This time no questions. Only possible answers:
-BCAAs do not increase protein synthesis above basal levels, but they do decrease protein breakdown. They are very benificial while cutting and even may increase fat loss then. BCAAs seem to be the perfect supplement to use for people as a "midnight shake". It only gives you a few kcals. (20 kcal. since 5 g will probably suffice) so you don't need to be afraid to gain fat mass compared to a midnight protein shake.
-EAAs do increase protein synthesis above basal levels. This is what you want to use pre/post workout to increase muscle growth.


WHY BCAA'S FOR RECOVERY:
A) bcaas prevent protein breakdown, but do not increase protein synthesis.
B) Helps in fat loss while cutting.
C) Prevents a decrease in glutamine
D) Prevents muscle damage.

1)It is known that BCAA oxidation is promoted by exercise (E1, E106, T13).
2)Promotion of fatty acid oxidation upregulates the BCAA catabolism (T13).
3) 77 mg BCAAs/kg supplementation before exercise results in a large decrease in release of EAA, (531 +/- 70 mumol/kg) for BCAA vs. (924 +/- 148 mumol/kg) for control (E105).
4) A cutting diet high in BCAAs increases body weight loss and % of fat loss more than a calorie restricted high protein cutting diet (E7).
5)No toxic effects of BCAAs were observed at a dose of 2.5 g·kg-1·d-1 for 3 mo or 1.25 g·kg-1·d-1 for 1 y. There are no reports concerning BCAA toxicity in relation to exercise and sports (E106).

BCAAs prevent protein breakdown, but do not increase protein synthesis.
-Since 1978 a variety of studies have been performed in humans where BCAAs or leucine alone was administrated in varying amounts and durations. An anabolic effect of leucine and the branched-chain amino acids (BCAAs) on reduction of muscle protein breakdown was found in these studies, with no measured effect upon muscle protein synthesis. In addition, no untoward effects have been reported in any of these studies from infusion of the BCAAs at upward 3 times basal flux or 6 times normal dietary intake during the fed portion of the day (B1).
-BCAA infusion in 10 postabsorptive normal subjects causes a 4-fold rise in arterial BCAA levels. Plasma insulin levels were unchanged from basal levels. Whole-body phenylalanine flux, an index of proteolysis, was significantly suppressed by BCAA infusion. Despite the rise in whole-body non-oxidative leucine disposal, and in forearm leucine uptake and disposal, forearm phenylalanine disposal, an index of muscle protein synthesis, was not stimulated by infusion of branched-chain amino acids (B2).
-BCAAs during 1h cycle exercise and a 2h recovery period does not influence the rate of exchange of the aromatic AAs during exercise. In the recovery period, a faster decrease in the muscle concentration of aromatic AAs was found (46% compared with 25% in the placebo condition). There was also a tendency to a smaller release (an average of 32%) of these amino acids from the legs. The results suggest that BCAA have a protein-sparing effect during the recovery after exercise (E5)
-7.5-12 g BCAAs during intense exercise (a 30 km cross-country race and a full marathon) increases BCAA plasma and muscle concentration. In the placebo group plasma BCAA decreased and left muscle levels unchanged. The placebo group showed a 20-40% increase in the muscle concentration of aromatic AAs. BCAA supplementation prevented this increase in aromatic AAs in both muscle and plasma. These results suggest that an intake of BCAAs during exercise can prevent or decrease the net rate of protein degradation caused by heavy exercise (E8).
-77 mg BCAAs/kg supplementation before exercise resulted in a doubling (P < 0.05) of the arterial BCAA levels before exercise (339 +/- 15 vs. 822 +/- 86 microM). During the 60 min of exercise, the total release of BCAA was 68 +/- 93 vs. 816 +/- 198 mumol/kg (P < 0.05) for the BCAA and control trials, respectively. Furthermore, the increased intramuscular and arterial BCAA levels before and during exercise result in a suppression of endogenous muscle protein breakdown during exercise.(E105).

Helps in fat loss while cutting
-BCAA supplementation (76% leucine) in combination with moderate energy restriction has been shown to induce significant and preferential losses of visceral adipose tissue and to allow maintenance of a high level of performance (E14).
-In adipocytes from fed rats, the rate of fatty acid synthesis in the presence of glucose and insulin was inhibited 40% by valine (5 mm) (E4).
-Twenty-five competitive wrestlers restricted their caloric intake (28 kcal.kg-1.day-1) for 19 days. A high-BCAA diet provided 4 kg of weight loss, and 17,3% decrease in fat loss. There was no change in aerobic (VO2max) (p > 0.75) and anaerobic capacities (Wingate test) (p > 0.81), and in muscular strength (p > 0.82). (E7).

Prevents a decrease in glutamine
-Following an exercise bout, a decrease in plasma glutamine concentration can be observed, which is completely abolished by BCAA supplementation (G12).
-BCAA supplementation during a triathlon completely prevents the decrease in plasma glutamine (G13).

Prevents muscle damage
-We hypothesized that BCAA supplementation would reduce the serum activities of intramuscular enzymes associated with muscle damage. 120 minutes exercise on a cycle ergometer significantly increases serum creatine kinase (CK) and lactate dehydrogenase (LDH) up to 5d postexercise.
12 g BCAAs for 14d in 16 men (the exercise on day 7) significantly reduces this change in LDH and CK (B3).

WHY ESSENTIAL AMINO ACIDS (EAAs) FOR RECOVERY:
A) EAAs increase protein synthesis above basal levels
B) Prevents muscle soreness

1) Nonessential amino acids are not necessary for stimulation of net muscle protein balance (6 g EAAs provides double the response of 3 g EAA and 3 g of nonessentail AA) (E12).
2) 40 g EAAs does not increase net protein balance more than 20 g EAAs (E15).
2) Ingestion of oral essential amino acids results in a change from net muscle protein degradation to net muscle protein synthesis after heavy resistance exercise in humans similar to that seen when the amino acids were infused (E15).

EAAs increase protein synthesis above basal levels
-EEAs (essential amino acids) increases net muscle protein balance. 2 x 6 g provides double the response of 2 x 3 g (E12).
-Consumption of 40 g EAAs after heavy resistance training results in a change from net protein degradation (-50 +/- 23 nmol. min-1. 100 ml leg volume-1) to net protein synthesis (29 +/- 14 nmol. min-1. 100 ml leg volume-1; P < 0.05) (E15).
-A 0.15 g/kg/h AA infusion for 3 h in 6 normal men increases muscle protein synthesis by 141%. After exerecise this increase is 291%. Muscle protein breakdown was not significantly affected (E23).
-Consumption of 6 g EAA + 35 g sucrose immediately before exercise elevates response of net muscle protein synthesis more than consumption following exercise. Total net phenylalanine uptake across the leg was greater (P = 0.0002) during PRE (209 ± 42 mg) than during POST (81 ± 19) (E102).
-6 g amino acids consumed at 1 and 2 h after resistance exercise increases protein synthesis (total net uptake of phenylalanine across the leg) (71 +/- 13 mg x leg x 3h). Prior intake of amino acids and carbohydrate does not diminish the metabolic response to a second comparable dose ingested 1h later (K24).

Prevents muscle soreness
-3.6 g AAs before and after exercise + 2 doses/d for 4 d after the exercise suppresses the rise in serum creatine kinase activity. This also diminished muscle soreness (E106).


REFERENCES
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Commonpremier21
03-22-2006, 05:53 PM
niiiceee, I will definitly be getting this, looks like a great product guys

CONTROLLED LABS
03-22-2006, 05:55 PM
Wow, I was going to buy it when it was called "Purple Wrath", but now that you guys have included TWO 'a's in 'wrath', it seems just that much more extreme and edgy! Coincidentally, I too, as a young person, am extreme and edgy! This product is for me!

JK guys. Im eager to see some logs about this stuff and see if its worthwhile.
haha, we thought that extra "a" would close the deal :D

steve39
03-22-2006, 05:55 PM
Can Purple Wraath be used to aid in a bulking diet? It says lower body fat which makes it appeal to a cutters diet more, but in your description it says cut or bulk. Is it really any good for a bulk?

CONTROLLED LABS
03-22-2006, 05:56 PM
If you notice, they also highlighted the "E" in "Purple". Hence, "EAA" (Essential Amino Acids).
;)

marlon
03-22-2006, 05:57 PM
So... should I quit my Xtend before the log, aka now? Or keep with the xtend?

martel04
03-22-2006, 05:57 PM
its called purple wraath so i think the only flavor that would fit would be grape. if you came out with fruit punch and called it purple wrath it just wouldnt go. if it tastes good which i hope it does no need for new flavors.

CONTROLLED LABS
03-22-2006, 06:00 PM
BCAA's do have calories, but the FDA doesnt require supplement companies to label them, so they dont. Kind of a slick way of not listing them.
its not really that they dont require them, your label would be wrong and non-compliant with FDA standards if you did list them. so we arent trying to hide the calories per se. For those on strict calorie diets you should count the EAAs as 4 calories per gram roughly.

Tarkana
03-22-2006, 06:02 PM
let's see, at $50, that would be 55.6 cents/serving. if each serving has 7g EAA and (guessing) 700mg Citrulline, that would equate about 50cents/serving if just eaa/citruline were bought in bulk. very impressive. maybe i can break my bulk-ocd and buy some of this... maybe. just gotta convince myself that extra $4.50 is worth the flavoring and other ingredients... yeah, i think i can see that penetrating the titanium wall that is the stingyness of my shopping cart.

CONTROLLED LABS
03-22-2006, 06:03 PM
its called purple wraath so i think the only flavor that would fit would be grape. if you came out with fruit punch and called it purple wrath it just wouldnt go. if it tastes good which i hope it does no need for new flavors.
we would keep it purple but do other flavors with purple. sort of like hawaiian punch does with all of their colors and same taste, but the opposite, does that tmake sense or am I blabbering :eek:

hawkjl82
03-22-2006, 06:03 PM
Great now I have to decide between Xtend and purple wrath haha... this may take a while.

I'm in the same boat..haha! I was planning on picking up some Xtend for the first time within the next couple weeks. Now I might have to wait and pick up Purple Wraath instead...hmmmm

CONTROLLED LABS
03-22-2006, 06:05 PM
Can Purple Wraath be used to aid in a bulking diet? It says lower body fat which makes it appeal to a cutters diet more, but in your description it says cut or bulk. Is it really any good for a bulk?
yes, it is good for both and it is especially useful for those who are hurt and cannot work out for a prolonged (or short) period of time based on some studies that show it prevents muscle wastage in a resting (non-lifting state) for weeks at a time. :)

CONTROLLED LABS
03-22-2006, 06:06 PM
I'm in the same boat..haha! I was planning on picking up some Xtend for the first time within the next couple weeks. Now I might have to wait and pick up Purple Wraath instead...hmmmm
they are both quality products, this is not meant to replace that, they would be good complimentary products too.

Bloute
03-22-2006, 06:06 PM
I really like the fact that their is no carnosine in it. Canadian customers won't have any trouble with customs. Thank you CL.

storm shadow
03-22-2006, 06:07 PM
Dammit! Now I do wish I signed up to be a tester. :p

EDIT: with this addition, I can see now how stacking GB/WB/GG with PW is highly complimentary. The little amounts of various ingredients keep adding up. Whose gonna be the first to step outta the closet and do the Rainbow Stack?

I guess you could say I'm doing the rainbow stack, look at my signature.

pu12en12g
03-22-2006, 06:08 PM
Can Purple Wraath be used to aid in a bulking diet? It says lower body fat which makes it appeal to a cutters diet more, but in your description it says cut or bulk. Is it really any good for a bulk?

Definately a great choice for a bulk and here's why.

Many of our customers that are bulkin have been looking for a comprehensive "True Ergogenic" that is designed more for "pure energy" instead of "appetite supression".

We're excited and proud to present PURPLE WRAATH™ which fills the bill perfectly.

The MVPlaya
03-22-2006, 06:10 PM
Can someone please explain to me what this actually does for you? Does it pump you up before a workout...etc...?

freak aleak
03-22-2006, 06:10 PM
this great news and dang my closet is going look like a controlled labs warehouse lol good thing i waited to cause i just used up last of my extend . i will be placing a order for purple wraath glycergrow and green bulge , i have enough red acid and blue rhino to last for two more months
congrats on the new product :D

DejaBlue55
03-22-2006, 06:13 PM
cool

pu12en12g
03-22-2006, 06:16 PM
we would keep it purple but do other flavors with purple. sort of like hawaiian punch does with all of their colors and same taste, but the opposite, does that tmake sense or am I blabbering :eek:

There IS a "E" in ORANGE Tanky Tank...... :p :p

lilkev42
03-22-2006, 06:16 PM
Looks like CL is at it again. Looks like it will be a solid product. Can't wait to see the logs and eventually try the product myself. Good luck testers and good job CL on the great addition to your product line.

marlon
03-22-2006, 06:17 PM
Hey Tank or PU, do you suggest I drop Xtend before starting the log?

ProWrestler
03-22-2006, 06:19 PM
Looks GREAT, I cant wait to add it to my CL collection :D

Matt5387
03-22-2006, 06:20 PM
good thing im getting this for free, i was about to order some xtend.

mikeizlike
03-22-2006, 06:21 PM
Im very excited about this product. Defintely going to give it a try

chlaxman
03-22-2006, 06:23 PM
Damn selling this for $50...I don't know how you can turn a profit with that. 1 kg bulk EAAs usually runs ~$55...

CONTROLLED LABS
03-22-2006, 06:24 PM
There IS a "E" in ORANGE Tanky Tank...... :p :p
god damn you and your superior intellect and evolved mind, I wasn't sure ;) :D

I am just a big fan of purple, we have some use for orange anyway ;)

JustinKim943
03-22-2006, 06:25 PM
haha, i knew it was some sort of a BCAA all along. I got a few questions though...

1. Do u recommend mixing Purple Wraath with glycergrow together?
2. In bb.com, u guys have deals such as GB/WB, BU/RA, etc... Will u be having deals with this product too in the future?
3. Any plans for a sesamin product in the future?

Also, i gotta say, Purple Wraath is a very catchy name. The name seems to hypnotize me somehow and make me want the product even more.

EDIT: another question, kinda off topic though, sorry. I'm currently cutting and i'm taking 2 pills of RA daily, one b4 breakfast and one b4 lunch. However, i happened to catch a minor cold and playing it safe and not working out; i'm still taking the 2 caps of red acid though... is this fine?

CONTROLLED LABS
03-22-2006, 06:26 PM
haha, i knew it was some sort of a BCAA all along. I got a few questions though...

1. Do u recommend mixing Purple Wraath with glycergrow together?
2. In bb.com, u guys have deals such as GB/WB, BU/RA, etc... Will u be having deals with this product too in the future?
3. Any plans for a sesamin product in the future?

Also, i gotta say, Purple Wraath is a very catchy name. The name seems to hypnotize me somehow and make me want the product even more.
put the glycergrow in your mouth and wash it down with some purple wraath. once its out we will look into getting some stack up on here

Jsorb8997
03-22-2006, 06:27 PM
Looks like a sick product...if the flavor is good, it'll be a huge hit for sure. I am looking for a BCAA/EAA product for pre-football/football season, this one looks real good. Can't wait to read the logs.

storm shadow
03-22-2006, 06:29 PM
Is this a good way to take gg and pw:
Preworkout-scoop of gg into mouth wash it down with water/sip pw
Workout- mix scoop of gg with pw/sip both
Post workout-scoop of gg into mouth wash it down with water/sip pq

The MVPlaya
03-22-2006, 06:30 PM
Repost...

Can someone please explain to me what this actually does for you? Does it pump you up before a workout...etc...?

I get the idea on how it effects you, but does it pump you up before a workout? It helps you recover faster, etc as I read. I guess I just need an explination of the product in easier terms...

CONTROLLED LABS
03-22-2006, 06:30 PM
Is this a good way to take gg and pw:
Preworkout-scoop of gg into mouth wash it down with water/sip pw
Workout- mix scoop of gg with pw/sip both
Post workout-scoop of gg into mouth wash it down with water/sip pq
yes, or if you cant do powders while you workout shove it all in pre and/or post with the purple wraath.

CONTROLLED LABS
03-22-2006, 06:32 PM
I apologize for going off topic here but I had a question about the servings on Xtend. Looking at bb.com, for a person over 180, would I be consuming 8 scoops per workout? 6 scoops before and during and 2 scoops pwo?
Thanks
please ask those types of questions on the main supplement board, this is an FAQ thread.

thanks

Outside backer
03-22-2006, 06:32 PM
so a best scenario of this

take it preworkout and post work+out and on no lifting days have a serving in the am and a serving in the afternoon. would this sound about right

Blap Blaow
03-22-2006, 06:33 PM
Wanna give us a heads up on quality of taste? :p

pu12en12g
03-22-2006, 06:34 PM
EDIT: another question, kinda off topic though, sorry. I'm currently cutting and i'm taking 2 pills of RA daily, one b4 breakfast and one b4 lunch. However, i happened to catch a minor cold and playing it safe and not working out; i'm still taking the 2 caps of red acid though... is this fine?

As you are probably aware, we don't recommend Red Acid to anyone under 18, so personally my recommendation is to save the Red Acid for a couple years.

To answer your question, I would not recommend taking Red Acid or any other potent stim / thermo / fatloss product while you are sick and your immune system may not my 100%.

CONTROLLED LABS
03-22-2006, 06:35 PM
Wanna give us a heads up on quality of taste? :p
not terrible, but not as great as the best (xtend watermelon in my opinion), but taste is relative and differes from person to person, so we will let the loggers decide.

cuponoodles
03-22-2006, 06:35 PM
yes, it is good for both and it is especially useful for those who are hurt and cannot work out for a prolonged (or short) period of time based on some studies that show it prevents muscle wastage in a resting (non-lifting state) for weeks at a time. :)

This is especially important. I might be working as a counselor at a sleep away camp this summer, and they don't have a gym. I'm assuming a product like this would be very effective in preventing muscle wasting.

pu12en12g
03-22-2006, 06:35 PM
Repost...

Can someone please explain to me what this actually does for you? Does it pump you up before a workout...etc...?

I get the idea on how it effects you, but does it pump you up before a workout? It helps you recover faster, etc as I read. I guess I just need an explination of the product in easier terms...

Recover faster... absolutely

Pumps... VERY typical.. but Stack it with GlycerGrow for pumps that are simply off-the-charts...


... and that's just the beginning. :cool:

CONTROLLED LABS
03-22-2006, 06:36 PM
This is especially important. I might be working as a counselor at a sleep away camp this summer, and they don't have a gym. I'm assuming a product like this would be very effective in preventing muscle wasting.
yes, this would be an excellent use of the product.

sublimejeh
03-22-2006, 06:36 PM
man i was NOT expecting an eaa product ill say that much. But definitly interested in trying it!

pu12en12g
03-22-2006, 06:38 PM
Wanna give us a heads up on quality of taste? :p

The taste is the "best in it's class" so-to-speak :cool:

CONTROLLED LABS
03-22-2006, 06:39 PM
The taste is the "best in it's class" so-to-speak :cool:
correct, when comparing apples to apples.

pu12en12g
03-22-2006, 06:40 PM
so a best scenario of this

take it preworkout and post work+out and on no lifting days have a serving in the am and a serving in the afternoon. would this sound about right

Personally (after the INITIAL DOSING) I recommend taking both servings pre-workout unless you are stacking it with a thermo / stim / other ergogenic. :cool:

As far as off days, the split dosage would be excellent

jer @h2o
03-22-2006, 06:41 PM
So pure, when are you gonna hit up us testers for our info?

pu12en12g
03-22-2006, 06:41 PM
correct, when comparing apples to apples.

Hey whatdya know.. there's a "E" in APPLE :p

jdiritto
03-22-2006, 06:42 PM
i just ordered more supplements...

got the mrm 5lb + xtend deal at that other site for 65$

had to buy some grape xtend in anticpation of PW
:cool:

I now have a 10lb bag of ON whey at school, 2 5lb tubs of MRM at home, 3 tubs of i-pro, plus a gf-pro tub..and 2 xtends.. plus all my other supplements im currently using at school and their stock at home...lol

pu12en12g
03-22-2006, 06:43 PM
So pure, when are you gonna hit up us testers for our info?

ASAP.. concentrating on the FAQ right now

And for anyone wondering why the format of the FAQ changed.. it's because I just ran out of characters :( I really liked the other format actually :(

Outside backer
03-22-2006, 06:44 PM
Personally (after the INITIAL DOSING) I recommend taking both servings pre-workout unless you are stacking it with a thermo / stim / other ergogenic. :cool:

As far as off days, the split dosage would be excellent

great thanks for the response I emailed ya too but it was other stuff

pu12en12g
03-22-2006, 06:45 PM
i gotta say, Purple Wraath is a very catchy name. The name seems to hypnotize me somehow and make me want the product even more.

Thanks man :cool: we fought to the death over the name :p Tank wanted to call it Purple Rhino :eek: :eek:

Commonpremier21
03-22-2006, 06:45 PM
they are both quality products, this is not meant to replace that, they would be good complimentary products too.


how would you recommend using these two products together tank? I have way too much Xtend lying around but I'm definitly itching to get some PurplE Wraath when it goes on sale. I'd be interested in using them together for my bulk coming up in a month or two.

Adamb83
03-22-2006, 06:46 PM
Hmm, is a serving of 1-2 really enough BCAA's? I'm not knowledgable about the science behind it, but it seems like people were generally dosing other BCAA's at 20+ grams a day.

BigNorwegian
03-22-2006, 06:48 PM
I'm assuming L-carnitine wasn't included in the blend because of Canadian laws?

pu12en12g
03-22-2006, 06:49 PM
Im very excited about this product. Defintely going to give it a try

Looks like CL is at it again. Looks like it will be a solid product. Can't wait to see the logs and eventually try the product myself. Good luck testers and good job CL on the great addition to your product line.

Looks GREAT, I cant wait to add it to my CL collection :D

Damn selling this for $50...I don't know how you can turn a profit with that. 1 kg bulk EAAs usually runs ~$55...

Thanks for the kind words guys !! :cool:

pu12en12g
03-22-2006, 06:50 PM
I'm assuming L-carnitine wasn't included in the blend because of Canadian laws?

And a few other reasons ;) have you ever tasted it :eek: (good stuff though, I highly recommend it especially stacked with Red Acid + GlycerGrow )

storm shadow
03-22-2006, 06:51 PM
Thanks man :cool: we fought to the death over the name :p Tank wanted to call it Purple Rhino :eek: :eek:

Thank god you won, purple rhino sounds like somethin sold at the circus, lol. How did you win, submission?

pu12en12g
03-22-2006, 06:51 PM
Hmm, is a serving of 1-2 really enough BCAA's? I'm not knowledgable about the science behind it, but it seems like people were generally dosing other BCAA's at 20+ grams a day.

The recommended dosage is EXCELLENT this isn't "JUST" your typical BCAA product, please see page 1 :cool:

CONTROLLED LABS
03-22-2006, 06:54 PM
Thank god you won, purple rhino sounds like somethin sold at the circus, lol. How did you win, submission?
haha, I also liked purple nurple, but PT is nipple sensitive. :D

Amazin Caucasian
03-22-2006, 06:57 PM
haha, I also liked purple nurple, but PT is nipple sensitive. :D

hahah purple nurple....enough said. Looks like a great product, I'll definitely be suscribing to the upcoming logs...

bulldog7
03-22-2006, 06:57 PM
This product sounds great. I'm interested in megadosing purple wraath. I would like to sip it throughout my workout. You suggest getting some bulk leucine with purple wraath? How much leucine should i mix w/ it?

pu12en12g
03-22-2006, 06:58 PM
Looks like a winner. The ginger is an interesting component. I can think of 3 good reasons why it should help... am I right? :D


Only 3 ?? :eek: :p

Outside backer
03-22-2006, 07:00 PM
Purple headed yogurt slinger! that name would have rocked

pu12en12g
03-22-2006, 07:01 PM
This product sounds great. I'm interested in megadosing purple wraath. I would like to sip it throughout my workout. You suggest getting some bulk leucine with purple wraath? How much leucine should i mix w/ it?

Results will definately vary, but I'd feel free to dose the leucine pretty high in that scenario. If you are going to sip on it over a extended period of time, I would consider picking up some Palatinose to mix with it :cool:

bulldog7
03-22-2006, 07:03 PM
so purple wrath, leucine, and palitinose? I would sip it over about a period of time 60 to 90 min. Wouldn't this get kind of expensive?

CONTROLLED LABS
03-22-2006, 07:05 PM
so purple wrath, leucine, and palitinose? I would sip it over about a period of time 60 to 90 min. Wouldn't this get kind of expensive?
it would be about 50-60 dollars per month

BigNorwegian
03-22-2006, 07:06 PM
And a few other reasons ;) have you ever tasted it :eek: (good stuff though, I highly recommend it especially stacked with Red Acid + GlycerGrow )

Lol, well I think most of us should be able to suck it up and down it, its not that bad. Great stuff though. Awsome when stacked for cutting, burns fat and gives some great energy, not to mention it improves resistance to muscle fatigue, surpresses apetite and fights off that feeling of "weakness". Also helps the heart and builds muscle. The list is endless.

I am surprised that the Canadian gov't banned it. The DL form of carnitine is toxic, but why ban L-carnitine? It's beyond me, oh well.

Looks like a solid product none the less. Perhaps I will invest some money into once I see how the logs go.

BigNorg

bulldog7
03-22-2006, 07:07 PM
ya thats kinda pricey since thats on top of protein and such. What would the Palatinose do when added to the mix?

CONTROLLED LABS
03-22-2006, 07:07 PM
Lol, well I think most of us should be able to suck it up and down it, its not that bad. Great stuff though. Awsome when stacked for cutting, burns fat and gives some great energy, not to mention it improves resistance to muscle fatigue, surpresses apetite and fights off that feeling of "weakness". Also helps the heart and builds muscle. The list is endless.

I am surprised that the Canadian gov't banned it. The DL form of carnitine is toxic, but why ban L-carnitine? It's beyond me, oh well.

Looks like a solid product none the less. Perhaps I will invest some money into once I see how the logs go.

BigNorg
health canada does some strange things all the time.

BigNorwegian
03-22-2006, 07:08 PM
health canada does some strange things all the time.

lol, and yet they still seem to maintain a great reputation in the medical field. Perhaps their intelligence is far beyond my understanding.

CONTROLLED LABS
03-22-2006, 07:09 PM
ya thats kinda pricey since thats on top of protein and such. What would the Palatinose do when added to the mix?
its a great carb source.

bulldog7
03-22-2006, 07:10 PM
what do u think about megadosing w/ just the purple wraath, not adding the other stuff?

jer @h2o
03-22-2006, 07:10 PM
Pure do you mean palatinose?

geoffsherman
03-22-2006, 07:11 PM
This definitely looks like an interesting product, but I have a couple of questions:
(1) I use ON Whey protein which already contains high doses of BCAAs and EAAs. I use about 4 scoops a day. What effect should I plan on if I were to add this?
(2) How would the energy complex compare to other energy "pills" that have been introduced such as Diesel's Ready4War or Ergopharm Amp? I know that your product doesn't include caffeine which the others do?
(3) For those working out in the evening, would you recommend one serving in the morning and one pre-workout?

Thanks in advance...

CONTROLLED LABS
03-22-2006, 07:13 PM
Pure do you mean palatinose?
yeah, thats what he said. the other guy below him spelled it incorrectly.

jer @h2o
03-22-2006, 07:15 PM
yeah, thats what he said. the other guy below him spelled it incorrectly.
My bad.

ericgonzalez
03-22-2006, 07:17 PM
we follow the ratios set by some of the studies for the entire EAA mix. more than this I cannot elaborate on.

I totally respect that tank, but can you tell us whether we're looking at a 2:1:1 BCAA ratio?

pu12en12g
03-22-2006, 07:18 PM
ya thats kinda pricey since thats on top of protein and such. What would the Palatinose do when added to the mix?

It's basically the ultimate carb source for athletes...but that's another thread :cool:

WHTIGER04
03-22-2006, 07:19 PM
Man this looks Great!!!! I'm excited to try it!! When should us Testers send our info?

pu12en12g
03-22-2006, 07:23 PM
This definitely looks like an interesting product, but I have a couple of questions:
(1) I use ON Whey protein which already contains high doses of BCAAs and EAAs. I use about 4 scoops a day. What effect should I plan on if I were to add this?

(2) How would the energy complex compare to other energy "pills" that have been introduced such as Diesel's Ready4War or Ergopharm Amp? I know that your product doesn't include caffeine which the others do?

(3) For those working out in the evening, would you recommend one serving in the morning and one pre-workout?

Thanks in advance...

1) First thing you will probably notice is the immediate improvement in endurance and energy during your workout..obviously this combined with the optimal free-form EAA timing will lead to growth... but it's the immediate effects that people will be raving about.

2) "Caffeine-free" is the way to be... because anyone can add a DIRT CHEAP caffeine tablet pre-workout for a even more impressive effect, and caffeine also tastes terrible. By not including caffeine, we:

a) Make the product MUCH more flexible and appropriate for ALL our customers and not just those who workout in the morning.
b) Make the product taste better

Having said that... Caffeine + PURPLE WRAATH will be incredible. ;)

3) That would be excellent, but results will vary so BRING ON THE PURPLE WRAATH LOGS / REVIEWS... I can't wait !!

Tarkana
03-22-2006, 07:24 PM
isn't palatinose almost the same thing as supercarb?

pu12en12g
03-22-2006, 07:25 PM
isn't palatinose almost the same thing as supercarb?

Not sure... I bought mine in bulk.... but that's another thread. :)

user1111
03-22-2006, 07:30 PM
Looks GREAT...CAN I be a tester:}

Cloud Strife
03-22-2006, 07:30 PM
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!

The MVPlaya
03-22-2006, 07:30 PM
Would it be ok to cycle this with...

GG, WHite Blood, GB all at once?

WHTIGER04
03-22-2006, 07:32 PM
Question, I have a few days left on my white blood and cell mass supply. I know you said if there were any changes to be made make them immediately. I didn't plan on putting another order in until the end of april (money!). Is that ok not being on these two supps while doing these logs? Or what do you suggest?

storm shadow
03-22-2006, 07:32 PM
Would it be ok to cycle this with...

GG, WHite Blood, GB all at once?
Yes, Read the faq before asking questions man.

pu12en12g
03-22-2006, 07:36 PM
Question, I have a few days left on my white blood and cell mass supply. I know you said if there were any changes to be made make them immediately. I didn't plan on putting another order in until the end of april (money!). Is that ok not being on these two supps while doing these logs? Or what do you suggest?

I would at least pick up some creapure creatine and note the changes in your log :cool:

Mr. Aries
03-22-2006, 07:38 PM
:mad: i'm mad... i didn't even know everything that went into this.. I thought it was just EAA and ginger :mad:


:D



I had a small sample to taste test, and it wasn't bad... Of course, "wasn't bad" is in relative terms... I must say, I've chugged down some seriously nasty powdered drinks in my time... It's like a semi-grape thing with a kick to it, most likely from the ginger.. I bet it's an acquired taste, hehe... Hell, for what it does, I'm gonna mega-mega dose it along with Xtend and isolates...

And yes, speaking of naming names, we literally did fight to the death.. Tank always has these ridiculous recommendations, lol... Sometimes I fall off my chair laughing, hahahahaha... And then, PT would come to the rescue with a freaking dictionary full of terms.. I just kinda sit back and watch them two duke it out over names. :D


and then the ingredients....... :eek:

jer @h2o
03-22-2006, 07:38 PM
It's basically the ultimate carb source for athletes...but that's another thread :cool:
I'm interested, point me in the right direction if said thread exists, and if it doesn't start one up when your time allows.

I know you're a busy man.

The MVPlaya
03-22-2006, 07:40 PM
Yes, Read the faq before asking questions man.
I did read it. I Was wondering if you could stack all of them at ONCE.

cervasa1977
03-22-2006, 07:41 PM
For the testers will weight be considered when the stack is sent out to us. I know that for GB and WB based upon my weight I need to take extra pills based upon the doasge recommendations. Just wondering.

Commonpremier21
03-22-2006, 07:42 PM
tank did you see my question?

WHTIGER04
03-22-2006, 07:42 PM
I would at least pick up some creapure creatine and note the changes in your log :cool:

cool sounds good man!!!!!!!!

CanadaBBOY
03-22-2006, 07:48 PM
Awesome. I'll be watching the reviews on this one.

In the summer maybe i'll buy a bottle and run it with glycergrow.

storm shadow
03-22-2006, 07:49 PM
I did read it. I Was wondering if you could stack all of them at ONCE.

99.99% sure the answer is yes

Mr. Aries
03-22-2006, 07:53 PM
99.99% sure the answer is yes


let me give you the other .01% that you need to take it to 100%, lol...


yes, they can all be stacked together... I dont' think they are all synergistic with each other though, but it's not gonna have any side effects to take them all together.

Dimitar
03-22-2006, 07:59 PM
Very nice product, pu, congratulations! This is the first in the CL line I might consider buying. Again, excellent job!

storm shadow
03-22-2006, 08:01 PM
Very nice product, pu, congratulations! This is the first in the CL line I might consider buying. Again, excellent job!
boy you've got some high standards.

AWA320Pilot
03-22-2006, 08:07 PM
Just received my White Blood, Green Buldge and Glycergrow today, as well as, another tub of Xtend.
Can't wait for the reviews. I am sure that they will be great.
I see some Purple Wraath in my future:)
Good luck to all the testers.

Madevilz
03-22-2006, 08:07 PM
:mad: i'm mad... i didn't even know everything that went into this.. I thought it was just EAA and ginger :mad:


:D



I had a small sample to taste test, and it wasn't bad... Of course, "wasn't bad" is in relative terms... I must say, I've chugged down some seriously nasty powdered drinks in my time... It's like a semi-grape thing with a kick to it, most likely from the ginger.. I bet it's an acquired taste, hehe... Hell, for what it does, I'm gonna mega-mega dose it along with Xtend and isolates...

And yes, speaking of naming names, we literally did fight to the death.. Tank always has these ridiculous recommendations, lol... Sometimes I fall off my chair laughing, hahahahaha... And then, PT would come to the rescue with a freaking dictionary full of terms.. I just kinda sit back and watch them two duke it out over names. :D


and then the ingredients....... :eek:


How's the taste compared to Xtend Grape?

Matt5387
03-22-2006, 08:13 PM
Should the testers take 1 or 2 scoops a day or is it up to us?

Mr. Aries
03-22-2006, 08:14 PM
How's the taste compared to Xtend Grape?



never had the grape one, dont' know how that would compare... And it's been a while since I've tried it.. Was a very small sample of purple wraath i got..

When I tried the purple wraath, it had a kick from the ginger, and I couldn't really tell if it's good or bad, cuz the ginger was a little distracting.. It dissolves real well though, which I really appreciated, since bulk eaa dissolves like cement in water. :D

Deleted1147
03-22-2006, 08:16 PM
It'll be interesting to see what happens when they run out of colors for their products...

Matt5387
03-22-2006, 08:17 PM
It'll be interesting to see what happens when they run out of colors for their products...

well they still have their elements line including glycergrow, no color used. they are smart, they will figure it out.

pu12en12g
03-22-2006, 08:20 PM
Very nice product, pu, congratulations! This is the first in the CL line I might consider buying. Again, excellent job!

Thanks man, but I can't take the credit for this.... I'm just a Lab Rat. :p

sublimejeh
03-22-2006, 08:21 PM
when is it actually going to be in stores?

gymbuff
03-22-2006, 08:22 PM
that looks awsome.. cant wait to see some logs on this stuff

martel04
03-22-2006, 08:32 PM
haha, I also liked purple nurple, but PT is nipple sensitive. :D

you stole that from me tank lol. that was my first guess when all we knew was purple ****** at least i was close though.

Matt5387
03-22-2006, 08:34 PM
i already asked this but should the testers take 1 or 2 scoops a day or is it up to us?

pu12en12g
03-22-2006, 08:36 PM
i already asked this but should the testers take 1 or 2 scoops a day or is it up to us?

Follow the initial dosing instructions and we'll go from there :cool:

hybridx
03-22-2006, 08:43 PM
I commend the guys at Controlled Labs for this great testing opportunity. They've really flexed their marketing muscle. :)

I hope that the tremendous level of interest they've generated for PW encourages other supplement vendors to offer such generous logging opportunities for both new and existing products in their line (i.e. those that require some exposure).

Purple Wraath is certainly top-of-mind in my house now - even my wife has been discussing it with me.

In fact, I challenge other company reps to provide a concurrent logging opportunity for products similar to CL's exciting new EAA offering. I know there are over 40 test applicants (and growing) out there waiting. :) I'm personally training like a madman for a May 7th goal - and I know that any supplement I take, I will be able to gauge the results... whether they perform as advertised or not.

I'm thinking of taking something to give me an extra edge during April. I'll checkout pricing on PW at my local GNC or Vitamin World if it ships here to Puerto Rico prior to 'April Fools Day'. ;)

Before I spend the cash, it goes without saying (almost), that any rep that wants a serious logger and has the goods that will help me take my bench from its current 285@3 to 315@1 by May 7th (goal date) is more than welcome to send me a PM with the details on what puts the kick in your koolaid. ;)

naturalguy
03-22-2006, 08:43 PM
The question I have is how much Leucine is in a serving?

sublimejeh
03-22-2006, 08:47 PM
Whenever a company releases a new FAQ thread, the entire community of posters in the supp. section lives there for the next week hahaha

Michael M
03-22-2006, 08:50 PM
I've been following this message board for awhile, waiting with anticipation to learn about Purple Wrath. I am tremendously excited to try this product. I have now completed one full HST cycle using Xtend for the first time and had the best gains of my life- little or no Doms at all because of the bcaa- really important with HST.

Glad to see the ginger. As a sufferer with IBS, my life was saved with that stuff. Learned about the benifits of ginger from a girlfriend who is from the far East and uses it for a variety of homeopathic treatments.

What a whopping amount of Citrulline Malate in your product! That's going to hit the spot with the L-arginine that I'm taking. Just want to know if I can find this at the Vitamin Shoppe?- you know for convenience sake.

Sorry had so much to say- just enthusiastic.
Thanks and Good Luck!

pu12en12g
03-22-2006, 08:56 PM
The question I have is how much Leucine is in a serving?

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=9294392&postcount=27\

:cool:

pu12en12g
03-22-2006, 08:59 PM
Purple Wraath is certainly top-of-mind in my house now - even my wife has been discussing it with me.

In fact, I challenge other company reps to provide a concurrent logging opportunity for products similar to CL's exciting new EAA offering. I know there are over 40 test applicants (and growing) out there waiting. :) I'm personally training like a madman for a May 7th goal - and I know that any supplement I take, I will be able to guage the results... whether they perform as advertised or not.

I'm thinking of taking something to give me an extra edge during April. I'll checkout pricing on PW at my local GNC or Vitamen World if it ships here to Puerto Rico prior to 'April Fools Day'. ;)

GlycerGrow would be EXCELLENT in your scenario. It stacks well with almost anything, and one tub lasts MONTHS... up to 120 workouts !! :cool:

I'm not sure if Vitamin World carries it though....

Tarkana
03-22-2006, 09:20 PM
Whenever a company releases a new FAQ thread, the entire community of posters in the supp. section lives there for the next week hahaha
eh, i think i'll take down my tent in a couple days. it's just that this is their first product that i find to be pretty much as good a deal as bulk, even better than xtend in terms of straight price comparison. too bad i still have 6lbs of bcaa's, eaa's and leucine in bulk which i have to mask with tons of flavored drink mix. In reference to the leucine question, i think something was said about adding a little bulk leucine being a good idea. The stuff is unbelievably disgusting though, so i'd prolly add in a little more grape flavoring powder.

ProWrestler
03-22-2006, 09:22 PM
Instead of sending another PM, I'll ask it here so everyone can see know. Everyone knows how great megadosing Xtend or other BCAA products works, but you say dont "megadose" Purple Wrath but take it with some Bulk Leucine. So, will megadosing Bulk Leucine while taking Purple Wraath at it's reccomended dose yield the same results as Megadosing BCAA's??

Sorry for the stupid questions:D

gymaddict01
03-22-2006, 09:23 PM
im wondering if the effects on strength and/or size with purple wraath compare to the effects of creatine. or could it be a good stack with creatine..

Tarkana
03-22-2006, 09:26 PM
im wondering if the effects on strength and/or size with purple wraath compare to the effects of creatine. or could it be a good stack with creatine..
definately two different things, i use both

gymaddict01
03-22-2006, 09:27 PM
definately two different things, i use both

well obviously two different things. but i was wondering if the gains compared...

thepopo
03-22-2006, 09:28 PM
Can't wait to see how this stuff works out. Finally some good comp for Xtend!

Runngunn29
03-22-2006, 09:29 PM
boy look at all the loving support from the masses. CL is certainly getting their balls rubbed right about now

Tarkana
03-22-2006, 09:30 PM
well obviously two different things. but i was wondering if the gains compared...
yeah, what i mean is they work differently. creatine doesn't actually give gains per se, its more for energy and cellular hydration/volumization while bcaa/eaa's are very good for improving recovery. may give a bit of energy, but not the same. if u can buy PW or some other bcaa/eaa product, u aughta use creatine too since its so cheap

gymaddict01
03-22-2006, 09:32 PM
yeah, what i mean is they work differently. creatine doesn't actually give gains per se, its more for energy and cellular hydration/volumization while bcaa/eaa's are very good for improving recovery. may give a bit of energy, but not the same. if u can buy PW or some other bcaa/eaa product, u aughta use creatine too since its so cheap


lol yes i know they work differently, and you do get strength gains from creatine. which is the point of creatine. the way they work has nothing to do with what im asking...

Beast
03-22-2006, 09:47 PM
Can't wait to see how this stuff works out. Finally some good comp for Xtend!

Maybe a little. Just remember, Xtend has 7 grams of BCAA per serving and Purple Wraath has 7 grams of EAA per serving.

That's all I have to say.

Good luck with the launch of the new product CL.

Joel
03-22-2006, 09:53 PM
Maybe a little. Just remember, Xtend has 7 grams of BCAA per serving and Purple Wraath has 7 grams of EAA per serving.

That's all I have to say.



I thought Controlled Labs said that Wraath NOT meant to compete with Xtend? What is the difference/benefits of taking BCAA Vs. EAA?

pu12en12g
03-22-2006, 09:54 PM
im wondering if the effects on strength and/or size with purple wraath compare to the effects of creatine. or could it be a good stack with creatine..

Yes, it should definately be stacked with creatine... please see page 1 :cool:

pu12en12g
03-22-2006, 09:56 PM
I thought Controlled Labs said that Wraath NOT meant to compete with Xtend? What is the difference/benefits of taking BCAA Vs. EAA?

Please see the FAQ on page 1 :cool:

Mr. Aries
03-22-2006, 09:57 PM
I thought Controlled Labs said that Wraath NOT meant to compete with Xtend? What is the difference/benefits of taking BCAA Vs. EAA?


nope, not intended to compete with Xtend.. two different categories of products...

and as far as bcaa vs. eaa, there is a LONNNNNNG thread about it.

Runngunn29
03-22-2006, 09:58 PM
Maybe a little. Just remember, Xtend has 7 grams of BCAA per serving and Purple Wraath has 7 grams of EAA per serving.

That's all I have to say.

Good luck with the launch of the new product CL.
OHHHHHH SHIEEEEEET!!!! IT'S ON

pu12en12g
03-22-2006, 09:59 PM
you say dont "megadose" Purple Wrath but take it with some Bulk Leucine. So, will megadosing Bulk Leucine while taking Purple Wraath at it's reccomended dose yield the same results as Megadosing BCAA's??

Sorry for the stupid questions:D

I'd actually love to see a log / review of PURPLE WRAATH + megadosed leucine, and yes it should be as good or better vs. just BCAA's... see the FAQ on page 1

:cool:

cakedonkey
03-22-2006, 10:04 PM
Thanks man.. I'm sure you'll love it :cool:
Hell, Pu, anytime man. You've been there since day one that I was on these forums as a complete "newbie" and was always there to help. Thanks for the help, inspiration, all while maintaining a great sense of humor over the past year or so. Again, congrats on this, and keep up the great work.

Runngunn29
03-22-2006, 10:04 PM
I'd actually love to see a log / review of PURPLE WRAATH + megadosed leucine, and yes it should be as good or better vs. just BCAA's... see the FAQ on page 1

:cool:
wait, so are you saying that you believe purple wraath + megadosed leucine would be more benefical thank purple wraath + megadosed BCAA's? or rather that PW+leu is better than just bcaa's?

JustinKim943
03-22-2006, 10:08 PM
which bulk leucine do u recommend if i wanted to stack it w/ PW this summer?

NATHAN518
03-22-2006, 10:11 PM
which bulk leucine do u recommend if i wanted to stack it w/ PW this summer?

Bulk Leucine is bulk leucine...get it on a BULK type NUTRITION website

Joel
03-22-2006, 10:13 PM
nope, not intended to compete with Xtend.. two different categories of products...

and as far as bcaa vs. eaa, there is a LONNNNNNG thread about it.

Is there something wrong with making a product to compete with Xtend? Like it or not, I think thats what you have done. And thats a good thing. Competition usually ends up benefitting the customer.

Mr. Aries
03-22-2006, 10:18 PM
Is there something wrong with making a product to compete with Xtend? Like it or not, I think thats what you have done. And thats a good thing. Competition usually ends up benefitting the customer.



Is there something wrong with that? nope.. none at all. Like it or not? I don't have a feeling about it one way or another.. This to me is just another great product, like Xtend is another great product. Do they compete? I'm not sure.. Whether they do or not, I'll be taking both.

pu12en12g
03-22-2006, 10:19 PM
wait, so are you saying that you believe purple wraath + megadosed leucine would be more benefical thank purple wraath + megadosed BCAA's? or rather that PW+leu is better than just bcaa's?

I wouldn't even worry about it, but if I had to choose I would obviously megadose the leucine @ around $20 per kilo (this would be around an additional $1 per day in a megadosing scenario), and in addition to a very high-protein intake.

Others, like Aries choose to stack both... EAA + additional BCAA. It's all good either way. :cool:

In a "megadosing" scenario, I would take the additional bulk leucine:

Pre/during/post workout
First thing in the morning
Before bed
Etc..

More info:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=6945849&postcount=171
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=6206373&postcount=157
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=7162089&postcount=172

chlaxman
03-22-2006, 10:20 PM
Is there something wrong with that? nope.. none at all. Like it or not? I don't have a feeling about it one way or another.. This to me is just another great product, like Xtend is another great product. Do they compete? I'm not sure.. Whether they do or not, I'll be taking both.
Well IMO Xtend is a great product. Based on the ingredients of both, I'd say both are great products. In the end, I think preference will go towards whether one prefers EAAs or BCAAs, and there is a great thread on it with good arguments both ways. Personally I'm for EAAs over BCAAs though.

Runngunn29
03-22-2006, 10:21 PM
Is there something wrong with making a product to compete with Xtend? Like it or not, I think thats what you have done. And thats a good thing. Competition usually ends up benefitting the customer.
economics 101 brother.

i think both companies wouldnt really want competition between each other probably because there is a mutual respect between them. They both believe that each other makes quality supplements at prices affordable for the customer so there would be no need to start up any kind of fued between the two. Its a nice thing but if it were up to me I'd prefer a sword fighting tournament over the amino acid world... but thats just me. i love sword fighting

Bloute
03-22-2006, 10:22 PM
Mr. Aries, you were right last week. This products is really amazing, I want to try it as soon as possible. :D

Mr. Aries
03-22-2006, 10:27 PM
economics 101 brother.

i think both companies wouldnt really want competition between each other probably because there is a mutual respect between them. They both believe that each other makes quality supplements at prices affordable for the customer so there would be no need to start up any kind of fued between the two. Its a nice thing but if it were up to me I'd prefer a sword fighting tournament over the amino acid world... but thats just me. i love sword fighting


I think all of us at CL greatly respect the quality of Xtend. TO be honest, we were all pleasantly surprised at the taste of watermelon Xtend. It was very refreshing and we all agreed it was a great tasting product. I myself will be using both products and loving every second of it.

There need be no more in-fighting between the various companies anymore. I think we are all tired of seeing that.. I want everyone to work hard on all of our different formulations so we can better serve the body building community together. I think that way, we all end up winners.

beer20
03-22-2006, 10:31 PM
Is there something wrong with making a product to compete with Xtend? Like it or not, I think thats what you have done. And thats a good thing. Competition usually ends up benefitting the customer.
i wouldnt say it competes directly with Xtend.
i would say it directly competes with universal EAA stack and ergopharm AIO carbfree.
it seems as though this has a few extra goodies too.

its nice to see the another choice out there for EAA products.

Kledz
03-22-2006, 10:35 PM
Maybe a little. Just remember, Xtend has 7 grams of BCAA per serving and Purple Wraath has 7 grams of EAA per serving.


I'm surprised no one had pointed that out yet.

Mr. Aries
03-22-2006, 10:37 PM
if you are looking for BCAAs, go with Xtend.. If you are looking for EAAs, go for Purple Wraath.. I don't see the confusion.

pu12en12g
03-22-2006, 10:39 PM
i wouldnt say it competes directly with Xtend.
i would say it directly competes with universal EAA stack and ergopharm AIO carbfree.
it seems as though this has a few extra goodies too.

its nice to see the another choice out there for EAA products.

Thanks man !! I'm sure you'll like it. :cool:

Kledz
03-22-2006, 10:39 PM
if you are looking for BCAAs, go with Xtend.. If you are looking for EAAs, go for Purple Wraath.. I don't see the confusion.

People dont know what they want, they need to be told. ;)

ProWrestler
03-22-2006, 10:39 PM
Maybe a little. Just remember, Xtend has 7 grams of BCAA per serving and Purple Wraath has 7 grams of EAA per serving.

That's all I have to say.

Good luck with the launch of the new product CL.


Derek, I am assuming in the whole EAA's VS. BCAA's argument your own the BCAA side??

pu12en12g
03-22-2006, 10:41 PM
Derek, I am assuming in the whole EAA's VS. BCAA's argument your own the BCAA side??

Take it to a different thread please. :)

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=722826
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=598491
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=566809

beer20
03-22-2006, 10:42 PM
Derek, I am assuming in the whole EAA's VS. BCAA's argument your own the BCAA side??
not to be rude,but seeing as this is an FAQ thread,i dont think anyone wants to this thread to turn in that direction...

NATHAN518
03-22-2006, 10:45 PM
pu, this stuff looks awesome...i love the "extras" that you put in with it...especially the CM and beta alanine. Are you going to want the testers to follow the exact dosing on the label or will we able to "personalize" it;)?

Mr. Aries
03-22-2006, 10:46 PM
not to be rude,but seeing as this is an FAQ thread,i dont think anyone wants to this thread to turn in that direction...



thank you.. that was just an open invitation to something we have no desire to be a part of.



This is about PW, a EAA product.. This is not about EAA vs. BCAA, EAA vs. isolates, EAA vs steak... none of that.. Probably not a good idea to ask a BBQ restaurent owner if he prefer steak over EAA.

ProWrestler
03-22-2006, 10:46 PM
Take it to a different thread please. :)

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=722826
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=598491
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=566809


Oh, sorry 'bout that.

pu12en12g
03-22-2006, 10:47 PM
pu, this stuff looks awesome...i love the "extras" that you put in with it...especially the CM and beta alanine. Are you going to want the testers to follow the exact dosing on the label or will we able to "personalize" it;)?

Let start off with the initial / recommended dosing and go from there :cool:

Mr. Aries
03-22-2006, 10:49 PM
i feel for you testers, hehe... If I were testing this stuff, it'd be very tempting to tell PU to go screw himself and his directions while I mega dose the **** out EAAs.. lol... jk bro :D

NATHAN518
03-22-2006, 10:51 PM
Let start off with the initial / recommended dosing and go from there :cool:

You're the boss!:cool:

JDB
03-22-2006, 11:31 PM
Im gonna stack PW with GB and BU Stim Free... Is that ok to stack and can I take GB and BU at the same time? 30-45 mins b4 workout? Ill wash down the PW while im working out...

Mr. Aries
03-22-2006, 11:35 PM
Im gonna stack PW with GB and BU Stim Free... Is that ok to stack and can I take GB and BU at the same time? 30-45 mins b4 workout? Ill wash down the PW while im working out...


yes to all questions.

kappaz
03-22-2006, 11:44 PM
Looks good, just wish I didn't spend so much damn money on supps lately. I'm trying not to buy anything for at least 2-3 months.

ddawg91
03-23-2006, 12:10 AM
I am taking Glucophase XR which has K-RALA and was picked for the big stack test with White Blood and Green Buldge in ti which also has K-RALA in it. Should I still keep taking the Glucophase XR?

ddawg91
03-23-2006, 12:20 AM
I replied to the PM. Also I know this is not a place for this but since it was mentioned a few times, where can I get some palatinose? I did a google search and it was all over seas.

NotoriousOk
03-23-2006, 12:33 AM
Controlled labs Peeps:

Could you please provide us with a little "guess-ta-ment" of what the amounts are in your proprietary mix?
Specifically the citruline malate and the beta alanine. Like you could say citruline malate is >2g or something to help us know what the MINIMUM amount of these ingredients we are getting.

I like to supplement with 6g Citruline malate, but keep my Beta Alanine to 2-3grams per day.

You can see where this info would be helpful...like how many servings of Purple Wraath would I have to take to get 6 grams citruline malate.

Thanks.

Bloute
03-23-2006, 12:38 AM
Controlled labs Peeps:

Could you please provide us with a little "guess-ta-ment" of what the amounts are in your proprietary mix?
Specifically the citruline malate and the beta alanine. Like you could say citruline malate is >2g or something to help us know what the MINIMUM amount of these ingredients we are getting.

I like to supplement with 6g Citruline malate, but keep my Beta Alanine to 2-3grams per day.

You can see where this info would be helpful...like how many servings of Purple Wraath would I have to take to get 6 grams citruline malate.

Thanks.

Wait a few days and you will get your answer in this thread.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=649355

wantstobeinshap
03-23-2006, 01:07 AM
damn, that took forever to read this entire thread...

Anyway, after all of that reading, I'm officially JUICED to start this log. I'm in the market for an EAA and this came out at the right time. I usually go bulk bcaa's but I did research, and after reading that one EAA/BCAA thread, I'll go with EAAs. Was just about to buy Universals EAA last week but decided to wait a little bit. Good thing I did. I hope I fall in love with Purple Wraath.

Cheers!

NukeDukem
03-23-2006, 02:33 AM
You guys should write a book on how to work a forum with hype.

That being said, I am in the market for a product of this sort so I will probably end up checking it out.

WSUcougs
03-23-2006, 02:37 AM
I've been wanting to megadose BCAA's during my cut but...I think I may have to try PU's suggestion of Purple Wraath and bulk leucine. It would be cheaper as well and imagine yield great results!

Thanks guys for your solid supplements and for listening to us lifters :D

naturalguy
03-23-2006, 04:17 AM
I don't want to speak for CL but many of you are asking about megadosing. I don't feel it's necessary, I have gotten great results with EAA's (I am using Animal Nitro) without megadosing. I am bracketing my workoutw with one serving before and one after. I am on a very strict, precontest diet and it's working well at that dose. I have tried megadosing in the past and it didn't seem to offer any benefits beyond the regular dosing. I have been very pleased with EAA's, I happen to like the Animal Nitro's because they come in packets and are easy to throw in my gym bag without having to carry another shaker and drink another drink throught the day (I drink enough shakes).

kiLLeen
03-23-2006, 04:49 AM
I don't mean to be the devil's advocate on this post because it is pretty professional. Under "Initial (First Serving) Instructions" (looks to be a pic of the container) it states: "To asses your individual tolerance..." You might want to fix that by changing it to to assess because people might think they have to take it anally in the initial stages :P

Stonecoldtruth
03-23-2006, 04:56 AM
I don't mean to be the devil's advocate on this post because it is pretty professional. Under "Initial (First Serving) Instructions" (looks to be a pic of the container) it states: "To asses your individual tolerance..." You might want to fix that by changing it to to assess because people might think they have to take it anally in the initial stages :P

The consistency factor would be MUCH more important if it were to be taken anally. I mean, nobody wants a lumpy anal eaa product.

hybridx
03-23-2006, 05:19 AM
GlycerGrow would be EXCELLENT in your scenario. It stacks well with almost anything, and one tub lasts MONTHS... up to 120 workouts !!

Sounds good. Thanks! :)

JRRBadBoy4Life
03-23-2006, 05:25 AM
Looks good guys. The only thing I'm a bit concerned about is the lack of caffeine. I seem to feed off of caffeine for energy, however I would like to see if this could be an alternate source of energy and mental focus. Unfortunately I am a caffeine addict and thrive off of it during my workouts.

Stonecoldtruth
03-23-2006, 05:36 AM
Looks good guys. The only thing I'm a bit concerned about is the lack of caffeine. I seem to feed off of caffeine for energy, however I would like to see if this could be an alternate source of energy and mental focus. Unfortunately I am a caffeine addict and thrive off of it during my workouts.

It would be pretty cheap to dose your caffeine with the Purple Wraath,
just take a 200mg caffeine tab along with your preworkout EAAs and you'd be GOOD TO GO!

JRRBadBoy4Life
03-23-2006, 05:51 AM
It would be pretty cheap to dose your caffeine with the Purple Wraath,
just take a 200mg caffeine tab along with your preworkout EAAs and you'd be GOOD TO GO!
That defeats the purpose of an all in one product:rolleyes:

HalleluYAH
03-23-2006, 05:55 AM
CL, congratulations on your new product. Very solid product indeed. The "Purple Wraath Experience" should be far more pleasant than that which I endure downing bulk AA powders during my workouts. :( :eek:

turbos10
03-23-2006, 06:42 AM
The consistency factor would be MUCH more important if it were to be taken anally. I mean, nobody wants a lumpy anal eaa product.

Pffftttt.......LOL!!

Almost spit out my protein shake on that one.

pu12en12g
03-23-2006, 06:51 AM
Looks good guys. The only thing I'm a bit concerned about is the lack of caffeine. I seem to feed off of caffeine for energy, however I would like to see if this could be an alternate source of energy and mental focus. Unfortunately I am a caffeine addict and thrive off of it during my workouts.

That's actually a very fortunate thing... see the FAQ on page 1 :cool:

pu12en12g
03-23-2006, 06:54 AM
I've been wanting to megadose BCAA's during my cut but...I think I may have to try PU's suggestion of Purple Wraath and bulk leucine. It would be cheaper as well and imagine yield great results!

Thanks guys for your solid supplements and for listening to us lifters :D

Thanks for the kind words man.

If you do start that combo, please keep us updated on your results !!! :cool:

cervasa1977
03-23-2006, 06:55 AM
PU just wanted to see if you got my email with my contact info last night my emails has been wacky lately.

krustster
03-23-2006, 07:20 AM
This looks like a really solid product (for a change ;)). I get a real kick out of the name PurplE WrAAth just because it's so silly. I wish it was cheaper but uh... well I guess it's a fair price. :cool:

Amino acids are way more useful than "pump" products in my opinion.

krustster
03-23-2006, 07:23 AM
Looks good guys. The only thing I'm a bit concerned about is the lack of caffeine. I seem to feed off of caffeine for energy, however I would like to see if this could be an alternate source of energy and mental focus. Unfortunately I am a caffeine addict and thrive off of it during my workouts.
I don't think caffeine has any place in an amino acid product... this is "EAA blend" not "Ultimate Preworkout Energy Blend".

jer @h2o
03-23-2006, 08:09 AM
I don't think caffeine has any place in an amino acid product... this is "EAA blend" not "Ultimate Preworkout Energy Blend".
Well, like Pu stated on the first or second page, you could buy a pure caffine supplement for practicly change and add it. They didn't add it for that reason. Some people aren't into caffine.

This isn't just a EAA blend, it's a energy factor as well.

jdiritto
03-23-2006, 08:19 AM
when purple wraath hits the stores..

i expect to see a 15% influx in controlled labs post, and possibly a 25% influx on BCAA posts in these forums

of course, these numbers are based on the current fact that approxiamtely 50% of posts are either controlled labs related, or BCAA related..

in the end, we will have roughly an average of 3% new posts not being related to either topic ! ooo joy, i cant see the newbie stupid threads already... =x





CL + Scivation should make a combo right away... something like buy one and get the other half off.. or buy purple wrath and get a small tub of grape xtend for a lil bit more $

buy large grape xtend and get a small tub of wraath for a lil bit more $

imagine the sales....imagine the possibilites!

jer @h2o
03-23-2006, 08:33 AM
when purple wraath hits the stores..


CL + Scivation should make a combo right away... something like buy one and get the other half off.. or buy purple wrath and get a small tub of grape xtend for a lil bit more $

buy large grape xtend and get a small tub of wraath for a lil bit more $

imagine the sales....imagine the possibilites!
I like your style.

I was already thinking about alternating the two products. This would confirm that thought.

Matt5387
03-23-2006, 08:50 AM
I like your style.

I was already thinking about alternating the two products. This would confirm that thought.

im pretty sure that they are competing products though. so idk how that would work.