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blinKme431
02-26-2006, 07:52 AM
I really love coke and have a caffeine addiction...is a can of diet coke a day bad? Besides the aspartame claims (which I don't buy, I think it's perfectly healthy), is there anything detrimental about drinking diet coke? It doesn't dehydrate you as it doesn't have sugar, correct?

in10city
02-26-2006, 08:16 AM
Besides the calcium-leaching, bone-weakening phosphoric acid and the carbonation I think you'll be OK. And that is some caffeine addiction - all 35mgs that Coke has.

Chipman
02-26-2006, 08:25 AM
Besides the calcium-leaching, bone-weakening phosphoric acid and the carbonation I think you'll be OK. And that is some caffeine addiction - all 35mgs that Coke has.

Besides everything that he said it makes your damn teeth yellow and you look like some tobacco chewing redneck.

msucurt
02-27-2006, 07:24 AM
cmon guys, are u frikkin' serious. There is nothing wrong with a diet soda on occassion. I wouldnt make it a staple of my diet, but u have to live a little. Maybe try some crystal light. That stuff is awesome, esp. the peach tea.

Also, i think diet rite is sweetened by splenda, which is ok.

Big_Spaz
02-27-2006, 09:28 AM
I drink a can or two almost everyday and it never hindered my progress at all. Live a little, enjoy a diet soda.




-Spaz

masterfender
02-27-2006, 09:40 AM
^^ agreed

TechGuy
02-27-2006, 09:42 AM
Get the diet coke with Splenda. Aspartime is pure garbage. You should read up on how that stuff was legalized, then you will know that all the claims are NOT bs. The guy who got it approved by the FDA was let go right after he had it approved and now works for the company that wanted it approved in the first place. Since it was approved, it couldn't be reversed and he now works for that company that seeked to have it approved!

Hercule
02-27-2006, 10:34 AM
cmon guys, are u frikkin' serious. There is nothing wrong with a diet soda on occassion. I wouldnt make it a staple of my diet, but u have to live a little. Maybe try some crystal light. That stuff is awesome, esp. the peach tea.

Also, i think diet rite is sweetened by splenda, which is ok.

Some things are just better avoided altogether;

Methyl alcohol is probably the first component of aspartame released within the small intestine, and is rapidly absorbed. Blood and methanol concentrations correlate with aspartame intake. "Abuse doses" (100 mg/kg or more) ingested by normal subjects significantly elevate blood methanol concentrations, remaining detectable for 8 or more hours (2).

Humans are more vulnerable to the toxic effects of methanol than animals because several enzymes required for its metabolism have been lost during evolution and are not present in humans.

The toxicity of methanol is enhanced by its slow rate of oxidation only 1/7 that of ethyl alcohol occurring mainly in the liver and kidneys. Even though the half life in human volunteers ingesting small amounts (1-5 ml) is about 3 hours, complete oxidation to carbon dioxide usually requires several days.

The body attempts to detoxify methyl alcohol by oxidizing it to formaldehyde (a deadly neurotoxin and Class A carcinogen), and then to formate or formic acid within minutes. Formate and formaldehyde each may contribute to toxicity and nervous system/immune dysfunction through various mechanisms. One is the conjugation of formaldehyde with human serum albumin (F-HSA) to form a new antigenic determinant. Patients with multiple health complaints who had been exposed chronically to formaldehyde develop anti F-HSA antibodies and elevated Tal cells (antigen memory cells), consistent with sustained antigenic stimulation of the immune system (3).

On the European Common Market, Aspartame is banned for all children's products. Why is this not the case in Canada and the U.S.? Because Monsanto - which owns the NutraSweet Company which manufactures Aspartame - pays off the FDA, the American Medical Association, The American Dietetic and Diabetic Associations, Congressmen and Senators and virtually anyone who gets in the way, and in other countries too. The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation caught them red handed and aired a program where Monsanto was trying to bribe Canadian Doctors at Health Canada.

odoreater
02-27-2006, 10:41 AM
Since it was approved, it couldn't be reversed and he now works for that company that seeked to have it approved!

I've studied Food and Drug law and the FDA can withdraw approval for a product if it's shown to be dangerous.

Trapzillaoo7
02-27-2006, 11:03 AM
I have the same love for Diet Soda. I drink way too much but cut it down pre-contest. I only allow myslef 3 days per week when I can have some. I drink fountain Diet Coke though, : )

I know it's not great but when you cut everything else out you need to have one vice. Oh, if you check out my pics I don't think it's hindering me-
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?p=8940183#post8940183

Trapz

Hercule
02-27-2006, 11:25 AM
It doesn't matter if you post a pic of coleman drinking diet coke out of a 10 pint jug. Hindering gains is not the issue, what is the issue is whether you will be a retarded vegetable with brain cancer in 20 years time. More short term effects like headaches are possible too.

odoreater
02-27-2006, 11:29 AM
It doesn't matter if you post a pic of coleman drinking diet coke out of a 10 pint jug. Hindering gains is not the issue, what is the issue is whether you will be a retarded vegetable with brain cancer in 20 years time. More short term effects like headaches are possible too.

How much diet coke you reckon you'd have to drink to become a retarded vegetable with brain cancer in 20 years?

Trapzillaoo7
02-27-2006, 11:41 AM
It doesn't matter if you post a pic of coleman drinking diet coke out of a 10 pint jug. Hindering gains is not the issue, what is the issue is whether you will be a retarded vegetable with brain cancer in 20 years time. More short term effects like headaches are possible too.

HMMM, thought this was the NUTRITIONAL SECTION. I was not talking about side effects. I was talking about the effects on fat loss or gain. Thanks,

Trapz

PhoenixBuff
02-27-2006, 12:01 PM
Guess I'm lucky, soda gives me a headache so I have not touched a can in 20 years. I also don't make a habit of eating or drinking anything that has absolutely no nutritional value. Unfortunately, I'm an old fart and I can't enjoy foods that I used to enjoy.

Hercule
02-27-2006, 12:57 PM
HMMM, thought this was the NUTRITIONAL SECTION. I was not talking about side effects. I was talking about the effects on fat loss or gain. Thanks,

Trapz

What? I think the diet cola has already affected your brain.

You are exactly right, this is a nutrition section, not a FAT LOSS OR GAIN section. Nutrition deals with every aspect from fat loss/gain to mental and physical health.



How much diet coke you reckon you'd have to drink to become a retarded vegetable with brain cancer in 20 years?

Huh, I don't know about that ;P but I recon the more the worse the chances.

utah997
02-27-2006, 01:01 PM
I drink a can or two almost everyday and it never hindered my progress at all. Live a little, enjoy a diet soda.




-Spaz

Same here..

Hercule
02-27-2006, 01:01 PM
Guess I'm lucky, soda gives me a headache so I have not touched a can in 20 years. I also don't make a habit of eating or drinking anything that has absolutely no nutritional value. Unfortunately, I'm an old fart and I can't enjoy foods that I used to enjoy.

I also get migraine headache from chewing gum and most other 'sugar free' mint flavoured things (so I don't eat them). I can't say for certain its the aspartame, could be one of the other many artificial ingredients.

Trapzillaoo7
02-27-2006, 01:03 PM
What? I think the diet cola has already affected your brain.

You are exactly right, this is a nutrition section, not a FAT LOSS OR GAIN section. Nutrition deals with every aspect from fat loss/gain to mental and physical health.



Huh, I don't know about that ;P but I recon the more the worse the chances.

Thanks for enlightening me.

Trapz

Trapzillaoo7
02-27-2006, 01:07 PM
Same here..

AMEN TO THAT!

Trapz

zcsmith
02-27-2006, 01:33 PM
Man o man. People are now bastardizing DIET SODA. Where the heck do we draw the line?!?!? Tuna has mercury...veggies will have pesticides...beef might have mad cow disease...eating too much protein is bad...eating too little protein is bad...don't eat soy because it might have some estrogen-like effects...fruits have sugar, don't eat them on a cut...diet coke has aspartame, don't drink...

Can we all just take a deep breath in here? Ok, sweet. Gotta love that magical word called MODERATION. If someone is taking this to the extreme (say, a bb contest), then yea, you might want to steer clear of diet soda. But for all those others out there that want to watch their weight and stay generally healthy? A few cans of diet soda a week is not going to hurt you. Now, if you're drinking five cans a day or something, you might want to re-evaluate your diet.

Enjoy everything in MODERATION and you'll be fine.

TechGuy
02-27-2006, 01:38 PM
Man o man. People are now bastardizing DIET SODA. Where the heck do we draw the line?!?!? Tuna has mercury...veggies will have pesticides...beef might have mad cow disease...eating too much protein is bad...eating too little protein is bad...don't eat soy because it might have some estrogen-like effects...fruits have sugar, don't eat them on a cut...diet coke has aspartame, don't drink...

Can we all just take a deep breath in here? Ok, sweet. Gotta love that magical word called MODERATION. If someone is taking this to the extreme (say, a bb contest), then yea, you might want to steer clear of diet soda. But for all those others out there that want to watch their weight and stay generally healthy? A few cans of diet soda a week is not going to hurt you. Now, if you're drinking five cans a day or something, you might want to re-evaluate your diet.

Enjoy everything in MODERATION and you'll be fine.



I guess that leads us right into.... Will too much AIR explode your lungs? lol....

zcsmith
02-27-2006, 01:44 PM
I guess that leads us right into.... Will too much AIR explode your lungs? lol....

Now THAT'S a good question! LOL!

I get that this is a health forum, but I think that people around here take it a BIT too seriously - and you're talking to someone who keeps excel spreadsheets of everything that he eats during the day! HA! We can't start overthinking here, or the only things that we'll be able to eat and drink are oatmeal and water. Seems like someone can find something negative on just about every food / drink item out there if they look hard enough.

Even when talking about trans fats...do I have a product with trans fats in it every now and then? Of course. But I sure as hell don't make it a staple in my diet, or anywhere even close. Have more of the "good" foods and less of the "bad" foods, and I think that you're doing the right thing. Not that there are good and bad foods per say, but you know what I mean.

Heck, someone can have TOO MUCH oatmeal and other fibrous items because too much fiber is bad!!! MODERATION!

TechGuy
02-27-2006, 01:50 PM
Now THAT'S a good question! LOL!

I get that this is a health forum, but I think that people around here take it a BIT too seriously - and you're talking to someone who keeps excel spreadsheets of everything that he eats during the day! HA! We can't start overthinking here, or the only things that we'll be able to eat and drink are oatmeal and water. Seems like someone can find something negative on just about every food / drink item out there if they look hard enough.

Even when talking about trans fats...do I have a product with trans fats in it every now and then? Of course. But I sure as hell don't make it a staple in my diet, or anywhere even close. Have more of the "good" foods and less of the "bad" foods, and I think that you're doing the right thing. Not that there are good and bad foods per say, but you know what I mean.

Heck, someone can have TOO MUCH oatmeal and other fibrous items because too much fiber is bad!!! MODERATION!

Haha... I just thought it would be funny to add that one in... There is a point where it gets too rediculous. I mean, too much of ALMOST anything is bad for you to a certain extent. I just don't like when people go over the line with it, ya know? But on a side note, aspartime is bad! :P

mankong
02-27-2006, 02:10 PM
I don't drink much soda anymore, maybe one or two a week. It nevers seems to quench your thirst but I don't htink there's anything wrong with having a can a day.

WSUguy
02-27-2006, 03:46 PM
people here are nuts. when someone mentioned 'hydrotoxicity' or w/e there were a dozen posts of people worried about drinking WATER. people here go absolutely nuts over the slightest details- diet soda in moderation is fine and certainly makes for a nice tranistion drink when you're trying to go from regular soda to milk and water all the time (you'll even find people on this board that think milk is bad for you- just use common sense).

billmd1334
02-27-2006, 04:32 PM
Diet soda hasn't hurt me or my gains at all and I usually have 1 or 2 a day.... drink plenty of water and you'll be fine

Stevebaby
03-18-2006, 07:15 AM
Interesting thread. I am a diabetic and it can be tough to find a drink that doesn't undo everything. Water gets old quick. I start my day out with a can of diet soda but never finish it really. No coffee or alcohol or juice. I do want to tell you that more than a few can't handle Spenda products. If you have this in your diet and are having GI trac problems they will not lesson until you get off the stuff. I will rethink my cola intake now...I guess I could cut down on that. Thanks guys

wa7sh
03-18-2006, 08:05 AM
Diet Coke is not bad it has abolutely no affect on fat gain and a little on fat loss, but think about the long term side effects. Drinking too much coke can sometimes lead to ulcers and it could also increase ur uric acid and therefore u could build up kidney stones easier if u dont drink alot of water.
-this also depends on the persons body if u are a person that already experienced kideny stones then lay off the coke.

deaths_ally
03-18-2006, 09:37 AM
sadly i drink like 8 cans a day

alan aragon
03-18-2006, 09:44 AM
I really love coke and have a caffeine addiction...is a can of diet coke a day bad? Besides the aspartame claims (which I don't buy, I think it's perfectly healthy), is there anything detrimental about drinking diet coke? It doesn't dehydrate you as it doesn't have sugar, correct?If you think aspartame is perfectly healthy, your skull must be thicker than Ronnie's arms.

deaths_ally
03-18-2006, 09:48 AM
whats bad bout aspartame? and whys it legal?

boyscouT
03-18-2006, 09:50 AM
Google aspartame and dozens of webpages pop up saying how bad it is, lmfao.

Whey
03-22-2006, 05:10 PM
diet coke has an unhealthy replacement for sugar, sucros... keep that in mind, just like coke the sweetness comes with a cost

dwatts
03-22-2006, 06:03 PM
sadly i drink like 8 cans a day

Likewise !!! I love Diet Pepsi more than anything and it's the one thing I couldn't give up. Since I switched to healthy foods and drinking over a gallon of water a day I lost a good amount of weight / fat.

I know research has shown this and that, but can anyone actually name someone that died from diet soda ?? Pretty soon we will have scrutinized everything and we'll all be eating organic soy beans with water (with maybe a hint of lemon until someone goes off on those too.)

Alex88
03-22-2006, 06:26 PM
Stressing over a can of diet soda and starting a thread about it will give you an ulcer. Chill people, chill.

grapemaster
03-22-2006, 09:16 PM
yeah I drink a ton of fluid, a lot of that used to be diet soda... the only reason I quit is just for the carbonation making me feel bloated, otherwise I would still pound a liter or 2 a day, love diet soda personally... mostly all I drink now is green tea or tea though... gotta have my caffiene fix but I'm not a fan of the caffiene RUSH coffee gives me... just a mild sense of alertness is all I need.