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Veeshmack
01-26-2008, 10:10 AM
just looking at it since its got the 2 for 1 deal
i never really used fat burners, i am about a month into my cut
since it is cheap right now, i wanted to get some
before i do, i wanted to know if its a safe product? is there anything i should know before purchasing it? anything that should be taken during/after for safety precautions?

thanks

Veeshmack
01-26-2008, 09:57 PM
bump

SupaNatural
01-26-2008, 10:02 PM
Evidence shows that it is possibly slightly safer than T3 if not abused and if you're not prone to any thyroid concerns.

Nsaladino
01-26-2008, 10:07 PM
I heard there is no down regulation if combined with Thyrotabs by Gaspari.

SupaNatural
01-26-2008, 10:09 PM
I heard there is no down regulation if combined with Thyrotabs by Gaspari.

Interested to know where you heard that. :)

Nsaladino
01-26-2008, 10:13 PM
Interested to know where you heard that. :)

dinoiii has done some research on it. I believe someone from SAN quoted him reguarding it.

TinyMan
01-26-2008, 10:14 PM
just looking at it since its got the 2 for 1 deal
i never really used fat burners, i am about a month into my cut
since it is cheap right now, i wanted to get some
before i do, i wanted to know if its a safe product? is there anything i should know before purchasing it? anything that should be taken during/after for safety precautions?

thanks

As Supa said - yes, if used correctly and with the correct precautions. When taking Thyroid T2, make sure that you are consuming adequate amounts of iodine (look into a kelp supplement for iodine for example), and there should be a thyroid PCT following. I've given you a bunch of different links on 3,5-T2 and 3,3' - and there's quite a bit of information to go through, yes. Afterwards, with 3,5 I would follow up with some form of a thyroid PCT, as 3,5 does have a suppressive effect.

3,5-T2 & 3,3'; dinoiii (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=121094301&postcount=3)

Basic overview of Thyrocuts (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=115466681&postcount=2)

3,3' and 3,5 T2 (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=4940143&highlight=Thyrocuts)

Nandi on Thyrocuts (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=8595839&postcount=2)

Thyrocuts and EC (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=984163)

Thyrocuts and EC (again) (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=115113701&postcount=9)

Dinoiii's corner, Thyroid Protocol (http://www.leanbulk.com/forum/showthread.php/thyroid-protocol-1357/index.html)

Berardi on T2 (http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/supplementation/t2.htm)

TinyMan
01-26-2008, 10:15 PM
Interested to know where you heard that. :)

dinoiii (Dana Houser) found it... It's in one of the links I provided (dinoiii's corner). I'm not sure what the mechanism is there for preventing suppression yet though.

Veeshmack
01-26-2008, 10:17 PM
thanks for the info guys

Neck Harness LancerV
01-26-2008, 10:17 PM
Whats a good Thyroid PCT? Blaze?

Nsaladino
01-26-2008, 10:18 PM
As Supa said - yes, if used correctly and with the correct precautions. When taking Thyroid T2, make sure that you are consuming adequate amounts of iodine (look into a kelp supplement for iodine for example), and there should be a thyroid PCT following. I've given you a bunch of different links on 3,5-T2 and 3,3' - and there's quite a bit of information to go through, yes. Afterwards, with 3,5 I would follow up with some form of a thyroid PCT, as 3,5 does have a suppressive effect.

3,5-T2 & 3,3'; dinoiii (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=121094301&postcount=3)

Basic overview of Thyrocuts (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=115466681&postcount=2)

3,3' and 3,5 T2 (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=4940143&highlight=Thyrocuts)

Nandi on Thyrocuts (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=8595839&postcount=2)

Thyrocuts and EC (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=984163)

Thyrocuts and EC (again) (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=115113701&postcount=9)

Dinoiii's corner, Thyroid Protocol (http://www.leanbulk.com/forum/showthread.php/thyroid-protocol-1357/index.html)

Berardi on T2 (http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/supplementation/t2.htm)

Thanks man for all the info, just bought quite a few bottles and have been diging up some stuff on my own, but you just did all the work for me. Seriously, thank you.

TinyMan
01-26-2008, 10:22 PM
Whats a good Thyroid PCT? Blaze?

Some on thyroid PCT (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?p=99242851#post99242851).

In direct answer - yes, Blaze is one product that can be used in a PCT for thyroid function (although I would prefer Tight! HC in this situation, which contains the active of Blaze). 3,5-Diiodo-L-tyrosine comes to mind, which from the formula is two iodines bound to tyrosine at the 3 and 5 position. Tyrosine converts over to Tyramine (beneficial), and iodine is the atom seperating the thyroid hormones. There really are a bunch of variations on a theme here.

TinyMan
01-26-2008, 10:24 PM
Thanks man for all the info, just bought quite a few bottles and have been diging up some stuff on my own, but you just did all the work for me. Seriously, thank you.

Let me know if you have any questions on it. Thyroid hormones remain a mystery to a lot of people - as the information on them is pretty scattered.

Neck Harness LancerV
01-26-2008, 10:34 PM
How do you become a SAN rep :o

TinyMan
01-26-2008, 10:36 PM
How do you become a SAN rep :o

Broke the knees of competitors :p

Neck Harness LancerV
01-26-2008, 10:56 PM
Broke the knees or bent to your knees :D

SupaNatural
01-26-2008, 10:58 PM
dinoiii (Dana Houser) found it... It's in one of the links I provided (dinoiii's corner). I'm not sure what the mechanism is there for preventing suppression yet though.

Thanks Tiny, I've used it and found it to be pretty effective if used wisely.

Obviously I haven't looked into it as much as dinoiii, and the only figure I do recall is that it is in the area of ~ 70% as suppressive as T3.

TinyMan
01-26-2008, 11:04 PM
Thanks Tiny, I've used it and found it to be pretty effective if used wisely.

Obviously I haven't looked into it as much as dinoiii, and the only figure I do recall is that it is in the area of ~ 70% as suppressive as T3.

Yes, it's approximate to that... probably somewhere in the 70-75% is normal values to believe for 3,5.

Neck Harness LancerV
01-26-2008, 11:06 PM
Im going to be running ThyroCutts II, Thyrotabs, Basic Cuts Prob in Dec

Its going to be fun. Going to be running Deca-Drol when I get back in August

Nsaladino
01-26-2008, 11:09 PM
Seems like S.A.N. Tight! Hardcore, Millennium Sport Shred-XS, would be a good combo for PCT. Maybe a dose and a half of each per day?

TinyMan
01-26-2008, 11:14 PM
Seems like S.A.N. Tight! Hardcore, Millennium Sport Shred-XS, would be a good combo for PCT. Maybe a dose and a half of each per day?

The one big thing that initially sticks out to me is the amount of caffeine. Both products are caffeinated, keep in mind. In the Shred-XS, I do like the:



Thyrodyne-XS 450.1mg ?
Proprietary Blend Of L-Tyrosine AKG, Coleus Forskohlii (Standardized To 20% Actives), 3,5 Diiodo L-Tyrosine

I would believe that that and the green tea extract are both good proponents for using it as thyroid recovery. Especially with 1.5 servings per day of each, you'd be looking at 300mg caffeine from Tight! HC, and even more with Shred-XS - this strikes me as being too much.

TinyMan
01-26-2008, 11:18 PM
By the way... you're looking at it the right way - you just happened to pick two products that I wouldn't do it once because of the caffeine.

Nsaladino
01-26-2008, 11:19 PM
would one dose of each provide enough of the ingredients helpful for PCT?

TinyMan
01-26-2008, 11:20 PM
would one dose of each provide enough of the ingredients helpful for PCT?

Yes - although you're still going to be running a pretty high dose of caffeine still, chances are more than I'd normally recommend to most.

Neck Harness LancerV
01-26-2008, 11:23 PM
I ran Dicana at 8caps a day for 4weeks, and ran Blaze After Wards. Had 0 thyroid shutdown

Nsaladino
01-26-2008, 11:23 PM
Yes - although you're still going to be running a pretty high dose of caffeine still, chances are more than I'd normally recommend to most.

I generally dose caffeine at 200mg x3 while dosing it with ephedrine. I was thinking EC plus thyrocuts/thyrotabs for ~4 weeks then tight and shreded for 4 weeks then 2-4 weeks of no caffeine.

TinyMan
01-26-2008, 11:29 PM
I generally dose caffeine at 200mg x3 while dosing it with ephedrine. I was thinking EC plus thyrocuts/thyrotabs for ~4 weeks then tight and shreded for 4 weeks then 2-4 weeks of no caffeine.

Then you're pretty comfortable with your caffeine intake then (I would assume) - so you're better to evaluate what your caffeine tolerances will be than I am. If you're following dinoiii's results (outlined above), then 3,3'/3,5 has appeared to D_ to be non-suppressive - in which case a cautionary PCT is not a bad idea, but D_'s results look like it is not as big an issue.


dinoiii:
Hey Jamie,

In regards to your Thyrotabs question - we have found a couple of things lab-wise with this product. Some people have actually come back with poor thyroid function (hypothyroid labs) and others with good - so kind of a mixed review.

What we have been doing lately, however, is combining GASPARI Thyrotabs with SAN Thyrocuts II (at the same time), 1 tab of each up to three times a day dependent upon body mass and have actually had great results in this fashion, so if you can afford it and want to give it a go, I would encourage employment of both products together - which I don't tend to recommend more rather than less, so you can assume we have seen decent results this way (99% borderline hypERthyroid lab results; NON-suppressive). So - this is the only way - if you are going to use them I would say to do it.

So - hope this finds you well.

D_

EDIT: I just saw this by dinoiii, and feel compelled to add it:



Originally Posted by slow-mun
AFAIK, Dinoiii hasn't ever really recommended this product.

dinoiii:
This is actually correct.

I don't "recommend" many products without a lot of data. What was discussed at Lean Bulk centered on how to best employ products already purchased by a member.

The addition of T2 seems to compensate; though one cannot be sure it just doesn't correct the misfortune of running the Thyrotabs stand alone.

We have not compared T2 stand alone vs. T2 + Thyrotabs to date, so one might suggest that the T2 stand alone is a better bet (with minimal, if any suppression despite propaganda to the contrary) AND it is a LOT cheaper!!!



D_

Nsaladino
01-26-2008, 11:31 PM
Then you're pretty comfortable with your caffeine intake then (I would assume) - so you're better to evaluate what your caffeine tolerances will be than I am. If you're following dinoiii's results (outlined above), then 3,3'/3,5 has appeared to D_ to be non-suppressive - in which case a cautionary PCT is not a bad idea, but D_'s results look like it is not as big an issue.

Yeah man, I rather play it on the safe side. I really apriciate your time answering questions and helping out.

methodice
01-26-2008, 11:31 PM
Tiny what does dinoiii or you recommend for PCT after thyro combo if suppression does happen to occur?

Nsaladino
01-26-2008, 11:33 PM
Some on thyroid PCT (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?p=99242851#post99242851).

In direct answer - yes, Blaze is one product that can be used in a PCT for thyroid function (although I would prefer Tight! HC in this situation, which contains the active of Blaze). 3,5-Diiodo-L-tyrosine comes to mind, which from the formula is two iodines bound to tyrosine at the 3 and 5 position. Tyrosine converts over to Tyramine (beneficial), and iodine is the atom seperating the thyroid hormones. There really are a bunch of variations on a theme here.

^^^^^^^^^

Tiny what does dinoiii or you recommend for PCT after thyro combo if suppression does happen to occur?

Neck Harness LancerV
01-26-2008, 11:35 PM
What about Sleep n Tight

TinyMan
01-26-2008, 11:39 PM
What about Sleep n Tight

Are we talking about a product, or trying to sleep and taking Tight?


Guys, I've just had four concurrent brownouts within the last 20-30 minutes. I need to shutdown my computer in case of a surge. It's not raining hard here, but a power surge to my computer is the last thing I need. I will check back in if the power stabilizes again - otherwise, not until tomorrow. If you've got unanswered questions I'll come back to this thread - otherwise, please leave me a PM.

Neck Harness LancerV
01-26-2008, 11:41 PM
Product for PCT

Nsaladino
01-26-2008, 11:54 PM
Seems like S.A.N. Tight! Hardcore, Millennium Sport Shred-XS, would be a good combo for PCT. Maybe a dose and a half of each per day?


The one big thing that initially sticks out to me is the amount of caffeine. Both products are caffeinated, keep in mind. In the Shred-XS, I do like the:




I would believe that that and the green tea extract are both good proponents for using it as thyroid recovery. Especially with 1.5 servings per day of each, you'd be looking at 300mg caffeine from Tight! HC, and even more with Shred-XS - this strikes me as being too much.


By the way... you're looking at it the right way - you just happened to pick two products that I wouldn't do it once because of the caffeine.


would one dose of each provide enough of the ingredients helpful for PCT?


Yes - although you're still going to be running a pretty high dose of caffeine still, chances are more than I'd normally recommend to most.

these look good.

SupaNatural
01-27-2008, 02:01 AM
I ran Dicana at 8caps a day for 4weeks, and ran Blaze After Wards. Had 0 thyroid shutdown

That's because Dicana is minimally suppressive if at all. :p

TinyMan
01-27-2008, 05:28 PM
What about Sleep n Tight

It won't hurt - but I don't think most of it is specific to our goals here. If you're going specifically for thyroid recovery, I think you're going to have a lot of 'extras' that you're paying for - which aren't going to be really too related (at least, not directly).

pu12en12g
08-19-2009, 07:11 AM
As Supa said - yes, if used correctly and with the correct precautions. When taking Thyroid T2, make sure that you are consuming adequate amounts of iodine (look into a kelp supplement for iodine for example), and there should be a thyroid PCT following. I've given you a bunch of different links on 3,5-T2 and 3,3' - and there's quite a bit of information to go through, yes. Afterwards, with 3,5 I would follow up with some form of a thyroid PCT, as 3,5 does have a suppressive effect.

3,5-T2 & 3,3'; dinoiii (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=121094301&postcount=3)

Basic overview of Thyrocuts (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=115466681&postcount=2)

3,3' and 3,5 T2 (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=4940143&highlight=Thyrocuts)

Nandi on Thyrocuts (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=8595839&postcount=2)

Thyrocuts and EC (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=984163)

Thyrocuts and EC (again) (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=115113701&postcount=9)

Dinoiii's corner, Thyroid Protocol (http://www.leanbulk.com/forum/showthread.php/thyroid-protocol-1357/index.html)

Berardi on T2 (http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/supplementation/t2.htm)

Reps to you, good sir !!!