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Robboe
11-23-2005, 03:44 PM
Now that ActivaTe™ is available on bodybuilding.com here (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/design/act.html), an FAQ is in order:

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Q. What is ActivaTe™?


As stated on our website, ActivaTe™ harnesses Divanil™, an extract of stinging nettle root, to increase muscle mass and strength, and decrease body fat in healthy men. Most of your circulating testosterone is bound or inactive. A plasma glycoprotein called Sex-Hormone Binding Globulin (SHBG) binds up most of your testosterone so that it cannot exert any anabolic effect. ActivaTe™ knocks out SHBG allowing your own testosterone to be free—and build serious muscle.

For more information, check the full write-up available on the site, found here (http://www.designersupps.com/product_writeups/activate.pdf).

Q. Can’t we just get this effect cheap from generic stinging nettle root extract products?


As much as you’d like that, no.

ActivaTe™ is one of a kind product. While generic stinging nettle products contain all lignans found in the root, Divanil™ is standardized to 60-95% 3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran. It is this lignan that shows the highest affinity for sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) and what is responsible for the hugely beneficial effects of ActivaTe™. Generic products also tend to have the typical 10% standardization, so to get one month’s worth of the product at the dosing equivalent to the recommended dosing of ActivaTe™ would require multiple bottles and likely not have the same effect in the event of other lignans in the root antagonizing the effect of Divanil™.

Q. Can I stack it with creatine and/or thermogenics?


If you need to, yeah.

Q. How many capsules is the recommended dose?


4 caps per day. Ideally spread out as evenly as possible.

Q. So how many servings per bottle is that?


The 120 caps per bottle gives you a full 30-day supply if ran at the recommended dose.

Q. You mean I can dose more?


You can play around with dosing as you see fit. In theory, higher dosing should result in more SHBG being bound and more testosterone being activated. However, eventually there would inevitably be a point of diminishing returns.

If dosing significantly higher than recommended dosing (x1.5 or x2 the recommended dosing), then it may be a very good idea to stack it with Rebound XT™ - particularly those sensitive to estrogen or symptoms of gynecomastia (“gyno”). 2 caps of Rebound XT are sufficient for this cause and should prove to be a very potent stack – so much so we’ve written an article on the combination, called the NHA (Non-Hormonal Anabolic) Stack™. The write-up can be found on the website here (http://www.designersupps.com/product_writeups/NHA_Stack.pdf).

Q. So there is potential for ActivaTe™ to agitate those with existing gyno problems?


The potential is always there with a product that will increase free testosterone as efficiently as ActivaTe™. However, of all the feedback we’ve had from ActivaTe™, including those with existing gynecomastia, it is incredibly rare that any of the reports state that ActivaTe™ aggravates the condition. In fact, to be specific, we’ve only had two, and these were more concerns than actual growth.

Overall, we feel that this isn’t an issue at all, but no one wants “man boobs”, so for those with paranoia, the NHA Stack™ would be the best option for you.

Q. Ok, so could I just take all 4 caps at once?


That is far from ideal. We strongly recommend you at least split the dose 2 caps twice per day, with about 8-12hrs between dosing. Ideally, take 4 caps with four of your meals, spaced out nice and evenly.

Q. If this product frees up testosterone, could I take it before training to get the best effect?


We’ve had several reports of this from users already. 1 capsule about 30-45 minutes before training apparently has a significant effect on strength, muscle pumps and motivation. We say apparently, because we cannot guarantee this effect.

It is certainly worth experimentation though!

Q. Does ActivaTe™ cause HPTA shutdown?


No, it is “non-hormonal”.

Q. Will ActivaTe™ give me extra acne?


Again, with a product as effective as ActivaTe™ for boosting free testosterone, it is certainly possible. The majority of users report oilier skin and some increased acne, but nothing that makes your face look like a Goodfellas pizza.

Q. The write-up states that ActivaTe™ blocks DHT. In theory, is it possible that the increase in free testosterone can also indirectly increase DHT?


If we're talking theory, then yes, there may be an increase in DHT. Given DHT’s high affinity for SHBG, we do not feel this effect to be of huge concern, nor has the feedback indicated so.

Q. So I won’t lose my hair using ActivaTe™?


Reports of this were few and far between. There was one case of paranoia and another case where a gentleman was sure there was increased shedding. The abundance of feedback showing no effect on hair loss verses the few reports that do indicate to us that this is not a typical side effect, so should be of small concern, unless prone to male pattern baldness maybe.

Q. I thought I remembered a Designer Supplements company rep say that if anything, free test would rise while total T may decrease a bit (or something like that). Is this true?


Blocking SHBG may reduce overall testosterone output as your body detects the higher percentage of circulating androgen, but you are freeing up more active testosterone for an anabolic net effect.

For example -

Without ActivaTe™:

Total Test: 100
Free Test: 40

With ActivaTe™:

Total Test: 80
Free Test: 60

Arbitrary numbers but you get the gist.

Q. Does it matter if taken with or without food?


No, but generally we recommend taking right before any food you eat to avoid “burnt-tasting” burps that ActivaTe™ may cause.

Q. Does ActivaTe™ help you gain strength?


Absolutely.

Q. Do you think the NHA Stack™ would be strong enough to retain muscle while cutting?


Providing your diet is solid and your training not excessive, absolutely yes.

Q. Do I need to taper ActivaTe™ at the end of the cycle?


It is not necessary, no – the body seems to re-establishes homeostasis pretty quickly after ceasing use of ActivaTe™. If it makes you feel better, however, you can taper down.

Q. Does ActivaTe™ loose effectiveness over time?


Nothing we have read indicates this to be the case, nor do any of the user reports suggest this to be the case. That said, we recommend cycle lengths of an ideal 4 weeks and a maximum of 8 weeks.

Q. Since SHBG governs estrogens also, does that mean ActivaTe™ will free up estrogen also? I don’t want to turn into a girl.


Yes, this is absolutely possible, although SHBG has a low affinity for estrogens than androgens like testosterone, so not much will be activated in that regard.

Q. What about aromatization?


Some of the testosterone activated by the product will undoubtedly be converted into estradiol (a type of estrogen). The effect will not be enough to give you a big butt or make you cry at Titanic, but to will be enough to confer the multitude of benefits associated with estrogens in non-excessive amounts.

Q. Estrogen has benefits?


Yep. Don’t be fooled, it is a double-edge sword in some scenarios – gynecomastia being the worst of men (apart from a full sex conversion), but in smaller concentrations it will boost cholesterol profiles, increase IGF-1 conversion in the liver, promote glycogen synthesis and help boost water retention in the muscle, giving a muscle expanding effect allowing you to lift more weight. Not only this, but it helps lubricate joints to help you lift the extra poundage.

Q. I’m still scared of estrogen. What do I do?


Run the NHA Stack™ and put all your fears to rest.

Q. What is this NHA Stack™ you keep going on about?


The combination of ActivaTe™ and Rebound XT™. There is an article detailing how to run it on the website.

Q. I feel warm about half an hour after taking my dose of ActivaTe™. What is causing that?


We expect this to be an inverse effect from binding SHBG. By lowering SHBG and raising free testosterone, we theorize that thyroid output is increased, causing the perceived rise in core temperature.

Q. So is this a good thing or a bad thing?


Tremendous. The activate thyroid hormone, T3, regulates protein synthesis. Too much leads to protein degradation and loss of muscle, but just enough can boost tissue building rates and lead to a very nice anabolic effect. So much so, that we fully expect this effect to play a large role the overall anabolic nature of the product.

Q. I’ve noticed some cool vascularity using ActivaTe™. What is causing this?


That will most likely be the nitric oxide (NO) boosting effect of Divanil™. This also plays a large role in the pumps during training reported by most.

Q. I have a medical condition. Will ActivaTe™ cause problems with any medication I am taking?


Always consult your doctor before using any new products.

Dosquito
11-23-2005, 03:52 PM
first post

Danes
11-23-2005, 04:24 PM
Any side effects? im 22 and never done any AAS PH`s cycle.. I Know that this one is natural, but is it any sideeffects?

Robboe
11-23-2005, 04:37 PM
Sides effects from estrogen and DHT are possible, but incredibly rare.

jmil
11-23-2005, 04:54 PM
Great FAQ ! , How long do you recommend coming off it before you start it again - 4 weeks?

Robboe
11-23-2005, 05:09 PM
Yep, a 4-week break is about right.

jmil
11-23-2005, 05:12 PM
Yep, a 4-week break is about right.

Ok, thanks Robboe. After I'm done PCT, I'm going to take a 4 week break off ATD and Activate, then I'm going to do the NHA Stack. Looking forward to it!

Skigazzi
11-23-2005, 05:14 PM
Any suggestions for how to incorporate this into PCT (timing / dosage)??

Robboe
11-23-2005, 05:18 PM
Any suggestions for how to incorporate this into PCT (timing / dosage)??

All is explained in the NHA Stack write-up: http://www.designersupps.com/product_writeups/NHA_Stack.pdf

Dosquito
11-23-2005, 05:46 PM
y helo thar sir, i have a qestion:
will aktivate make me huoooge?

jaymode
11-23-2005, 06:25 PM
21 and above? Or ok for those between 18 and 21.

factotum
11-23-2005, 07:03 PM
Q. Does ActivaTe™ loose effectiveness over time?
should be lose not loose..

Also what about using it on cycle, for PCT or as a standalone?

uhockey
11-23-2005, 07:10 PM
Q. Does ActivaTe™ loose effectiveness over time?
should be lose not loose..

Also what about using it on cycle, for PCT or as a standalone?

PCT and Standalone usage are discussed in the ActivaTe FAQ and the NHA Stack FAQ.

In terms of on-cycle, I can definitely see benefits in decreasing SHBG during the later stages of a cycle when the body has more or less reached shutdown and SHBG levels are high.

factotum
11-23-2005, 07:17 PM
PCT and Standalone usage are discussed in the ActivaTe FAQ and the NHA Stack FAQ.

In terms of on-cycle, I can definitely see benefits in decreasing SHBG during the later stages of a cycle when the body has more or less reached shutdown and SHBG levels are high.

I thought androgens decreased the production of SHBG though. So it would seem like somewhat of a waste to use it on cycle since SHBG should be low. The problem is that when you reduce the production of SHBG there's an increase in the rate of which hormones are metabolized or excreeted from the body, I forget which exactly.

uhockey
11-23-2005, 07:25 PM
I thought androgens decreased the production of SHBG though. So it would seem like somewhat of a waste to use it on cycle since SHBG should be low. The problem is that when you reduce the production of SHBG there's an increase in the rate of which hormones are metabolized or excreeted from the body, I forget which exactly.

This is why I said the very end of a cycle, as you prepare for and enter PCT.

PSKlifter
11-24-2005, 02:15 AM
This is why I said the very end of a cycle, as you prepare for and enter PCT.
In theory, wouldnt it be more effective say around mid point of pct, as your natty levels start returning, this would serve as a maximizer for your own levels?

Robboe
11-24-2005, 02:32 AM
21 and above? Or ok for those between 18 and 21.

I won't recommend someone who is younger than 21 use the product, but if someone was between the ages of 18 and 21 and dead-set on using the product, i wouldn't put as much effort into trying to talk them out of using it as i would if they were dead-set on using M1T or the like.

Robboe
11-24-2005, 02:37 AM
In theory, wouldnt it be more effective say around mid point of pct, as your natty levels start returning, this would serve as a maximizer for your own levels?

The bloodwork for increasing total testosterone from activate alone is mixed at best.

In theory, it would make sense to give it a week or two into PCT before beginning, but the feedback when used from the get-go has been awesome to say the least. I'd still guess it takes at least a couple of days for the effects to really manifest (as the rebound kicks into gear).

cubsfan2
11-24-2005, 08:43 AM
Would it be good to start the NHA stack at the third week of a Haldrol-50 cycle? Or would it be better just to use rebound?

factotum
11-24-2005, 09:40 AM
Would it be good to start the NHA stack at the third week of a Haldrol-50 cycle? Or would it be better just to use rebound?

From the posts so far it would seem that you should start the RXT and then a week into PCT start the ActivaTe.

I wonder how good of a stack ActivaTe and Melting Point would make. Seems like you should be able to cut while preserving muscle. Wonder if anyone has tried this yet?

uhockey
11-24-2005, 09:54 AM
I know nothing about Haldrol-50 and do not recommend the usage of PH products.

Regarding ActivaTe+Melting Point, I'm pretty sure there was a log by someone, but I do not recall who. I will let you know.

Robboe
11-25-2005, 05:21 AM
Would it be good to start the NHA stack at the third week of a Haldrol-50 cycle? Or would it be better just to use rebound?

What, for PCT or actually during a halodrol-50 cycle?

Mick535
11-25-2005, 08:55 AM
Have you seen better results from Activate from guys over 30 than with younger. Pretty much a common sense question, but I was wondering if you guys were collecting any data that might support more defining results from men with age induced low testoterone.

Robboe
11-25-2005, 08:59 AM
Have you seen better results from Activate from guys over 30 than with younger. Pretty much a common sense question, but I was wondering if you guys were collecting any data that might support more defining results from men with age induced low testoterone.

We had one tester who is 62 using activate and the NHA Stack. Obviously he prefered the stack, but he got awesome results from both cycles.

He even won a couple competitions when he used the NHA Stack during his preparation.

cubsfan2
11-25-2005, 09:44 AM
What, for PCT or actually during a halodrol-50 cycle?
I'm at week one of HD-50, week 3 I was going to start RXT then I read about activate and wondered if I could start the NHA stack at the end of HD-50 or if I should just use the RXT? Thanks

Fedaykin
11-25-2005, 09:52 AM
I'm excited for my Activate/x-factor stack. think this might be compareable to some of the current PH's out there?

DejaBlue55
11-25-2005, 09:57 AM
Congrats to the guys at DS, seems to be an incredibly SOLID product. You can expect the sell of at least a few bottles in the near future from me. IMO, Very SOLID product.

dtrain13
11-25-2005, 09:58 AM
I'm excited for my Activate/x-factor stack. think this might be compareable to some of the current PH's out there?


IMO I believe it would be one of the best NH stacks out there. Be sure to consume plenty of protein and/or free form aminos.

Fedaykin
11-25-2005, 10:12 AM
IMO I believe it would be one of the best NH stacks out there. Be sure to consume plenty of protein and/or free form aminos.

I share your opinion. maybe even some rebound at the end? last 30 days....

uhockey
11-25-2005, 11:20 AM
I share your opinion. maybe even some rebound at the end? last 30 days....

Only issue I see is some possible joint soreness with this method. Remember, XF is going to increase prostaglandins and as such increase soreness. Some (not all) RXT users have reported sore/dry joints due to the Estrogen suppression. Couple these two and you may be a little achey.

dtrain13
11-25-2005, 11:30 AM
Only issue I see is some possible joint soreness with this method. Remember, XF is going to increase prostaglandins and as such increase soreness. Some (not all) RXT users have reported sore/dry joints due to the Estrogen suppression. Couple these two and you may be a little achey.

I have around 8 days left on X-Factor but I have had no joint issues. Most likely because of the androgens I am using but still zero soreness.

Fedaykin
11-25-2005, 03:27 PM
Only issue I see is some possible joint soreness with this method. Remember, XF is going to increase prostaglandins and as such increase soreness. Some (not all) RXT users have reported sore/dry joints due to the Estrogen suppression. Couple these two and you may be a little achey.

very true. may still be worth a try though...

beer20
11-26-2005, 11:49 AM
just wanted to give this a bump up.
looks like a great product and the logs so far have been very interesting.

Robboe
11-27-2005, 06:08 AM
It's a great product if i do say so myself.

Mister_A
11-27-2005, 10:38 AM
It's a great product if i do say so myself.
I agree. :D

gdawg0987
11-27-2005, 11:55 AM
It's a great product if i do say so myself.
Robboe, I saw DS is selling the rest of their MP Beta for $20. Is there any chance DS has plans to do something similar with the remaining Acitivate Betas?

Robboe
11-27-2005, 12:23 PM
Dunno, maybe.

That MP sale expires tomorrow morning BTW folks.

BiggJohn
11-27-2005, 12:52 PM
What is the longest recommend cycle of ActiveTe before you should stop?

Robboe
11-27-2005, 12:57 PM
Already been answered i think, but i'd say no longer than 8 weeks at a time.

uhockey
11-27-2005, 02:54 PM
Already been answered i think, but i'd say no longer than 8 weeks at a time.

Agreed. I'd never go more than 8 weeks on any supp besides a multi, whey, and fish-oil personally. That includes creatine.

If using with RXT as the NHA stack I'd personally say no longer than 30 days, but others may disagree. Remember, health first.

BiggJohn
11-27-2005, 03:05 PM
Agreed. I'd never go more than 8 weeks on any supp besides a multi, whey, and fish-oil personally. That includes creatine.

If using with RXT as the NHA stack I'd personally say no longer than 30 days, but others may disagree. Remember, health first.

With most supplements of this nature I don't start to notice the effects until 2-3 weeks in. Need a good month or so after that to pile on some good gains.

Agreed, the last thing you want to do with any supplement is hurt yourself.

hmaxim
11-30-2005, 07:40 AM
Can Activate be stacked with Diesel Test? I ask because I am currently using that product and still have another bottle to go. I understand you would prefer it be stacked with your own products, but what say about DT?

Robboe
11-30-2005, 07:58 AM
Go for it.

uhockey
11-30-2005, 10:05 AM
Chuck Diesel will tell you DT is the greatest thing since sliced bread. If this is true, I'd imagine it to stack quite well with Activate.........and peanut butter+jelly.

dtrain13
11-30-2005, 10:08 AM
Chuck Diesel will tell you DT is the greatest thing since sliced bread. If this is true, I'd imagine it to stack quite well with Activate.........and peanut butter+jelly.
Crunchy and strawberry respectfully, no? :D

hmaxim
11-30-2005, 11:32 AM
Chuck Diesel will tell you DT is the greatest thing since sliced bread. If this is true, I'd imagine it to stack quite well with Activate.........and peanut butter+jelly.

I used DT and Novedex XT..I had good results with both, but decided on DT as I like the formula better. I think its good to "play the field" with test boosters as they all claim to be the the best. I'm looking forward to stacking Activate with DT. Should be a kicker! But then I'll probably experiment with some other products as they evolve.
I think Activate is a good idea with ANY test booster, if I understand the product correctly. In fact, as an economical approach, Activate coupled with some cheap supplements like DIM or Nettle Root would probably produce some good results...maybe on a maintenance basis at least. Good for those Low Budget times.

CHUCK DIESEL
11-30-2005, 12:27 PM
Chuck Diesel will tell you DT is the greatest thing since sliced bread. If this is true, I'd imagine it to stack quite well with Activate.........and peanut butter+jelly.

Ha, no I dont, I think its unique bc it increases free test, total test, and decrease estrodiol, cortisol and prolactin. No nat. test boosters do that.

It still has some non-responders but it formulated to do more than just free up test.

A stack with Activete could work, no one has tried it yet and logged it in.

It should stack well because Activete doenst decrease shbg, its active binds to shgb the same was testostone does, wheres DT decreases shgb. So its like 2 diff. ways to increase free test but with the added ben. of lower estrogen, cortisol and prolactin from DT.

uhockey
11-30-2005, 01:28 PM
Ha, no I dont, I think its unique bc it increases free test, total test, and decrease estrodiol, cortisol and prolactin. No nat. test boosters do that.

It still has some non-responders but it formulated to do more than just free up test.

A stack with Activete could work, no one has tried it yet and logged it in.

It should stack well because Activete doenst decrease shbg, its active binds to shgb the same was testostone does, wheres DT decreases shgb. So its like 2 diff. ways to increase free test but with the added ben. of lower estrogen, cortisol and prolactin from DT.

I concur and I'll likely be logging this very combo very soon.

2 swole 2
12-02-2005, 05:30 PM
For a hormanal PCT wich of the two, or other, would you rec. most?

Opt1:

wk1-4
RXT+Serm

wk4-8
AT

Opt2:

wk1-4
RXT+Serm

wk4-8
AT/RXT

Thanks

Mister_A
12-02-2005, 05:36 PM
For a hormanal PCT wich of the two, or other, would you rec. most?

Opt1:

wk1-4
RXT+Serm

wk4-8
AT

Opt2:

wk1-4
RXT+Serm

wk4-8
AT/RXT

Thanks
I'd suggestion starting ActivaTe on Day 1 of week 3.

Worked great for me. And I'm still going.

Phosphate bond
12-02-2005, 05:39 PM
Have you done formal blood tests with this product? If so, how did you do them? (intervals, etc)

P.S. I see what's written in your FAQ. (that's why I'm asking)

cordeen
03-12-2006, 03:41 PM
Just curious....instead of cycling Activate 4wks on / 4 wks off, ya think if one dosed it at say 5 days on / 2 days off that it could be used for alot longer, simply by tricking the body into not adapting to it sooner?

uhockey
03-12-2006, 03:47 PM
Just curious....instead of cycling Activate 4wks on / 4 wks off, ya think if one dosed it at say 5 days on / 2 days off that it could be used for alot longer, simply by tricking the body into not adapting to it sooner?

Interesting idea and I really don't know if anyone has tried it.

cordeen
03-12-2006, 03:52 PM
Interesting idea and I really don't know if anyone has tried it.

Reason I ask, is if I could find a way to prolong the awesome sexual benefits and feeling of well being that I get from Activate, not to mention many others, then I'd be one hell of a happy dude.

avian
03-12-2006, 04:05 PM
how much does taking along with a fatty meal alters the results?

i mean, i dont have 4 high-fat meals on a day spreaded out... should i concentrate my dosing in the fat meals even if they arent spread trough the day or just take it with any meal?

uhockey
03-12-2006, 04:07 PM
IMO activaTe needn't be taken with fatty meals.
RXT does.

Cordeen, I see your point and would be curious as to whether or not anyone has tried your dosing scheme

avian
03-12-2006, 04:29 PM
IMO activaTe needn't be taken with fatty meals.
RXT does.

Cordeen, I see your point and would be curious as to whether or not anyone has tried your dosing scheme
i see

thanks for the awnser

peepingyoda
03-12-2006, 04:30 PM
Just curious....instead of cycling Activate 4wks on / 4 wks off, ya think if one dosed it at say 5 days on / 2 days off that it could be used for alot longer, simply by tricking the body into not adapting to it sooner?

I'm logging the whole NHA+LX 5on/2off for 6 weeks if you want to check it out. The link is in my sig.

40-Yard Dash_2
03-12-2006, 05:00 PM
I'm logging the whole NHA+LX 5on/2off for 6 weeks if you want to check it out. The link is in my sig.
Exactly, I was going to direct them to you log.:)

Nathan1
03-12-2006, 06:42 PM
i just love these FAQ threads. :)

(i don't have to search thru 20 different threads and piece together info if i'm wondering about something.)

cordeen
03-14-2006, 02:48 PM
Interesting idea and I really don't know if anyone has tried it.

Well today is Tuesday and here is my plan. Researched some of the better Tribulus supps out there and decided to go with Tribuloid. It arrived today. Took my first serving an hour or so ago and have been off Activate for 2 days now. Last 3 nights I have taken 300mgs of 6OXO. Anyhow I'll cut the confusion and post my cycle.


Wednesday---Tribuloid (2caps) - Activate (4 caps/day)
Thursday---Tribuloid (2caps) - Activate (4 caps/day)
Friday---Tribuloid (2caps) - Activate (4 caps/day)
Saturday---Tribuloid (2caps) - Activate (4 caps/day)
Sunday---Tribuloid (2caps) - 6OXO (300mgs)- Activate (4 caps/day)
Monday ---Tribuloid (2caps) - 6OXO (300mgs)
Tuesday---Tribuloid (2caps) - 6OXO (300mgs)

My theory again is to utilize the test increases from 3 days 6OXO but keep it short because prolonged use diminishes my sex drive. A week ago I finished a 2 week cycle of 6OXO (~800gms/day) in order to set the foundation for what I am plan to do here. Testes are hard and full.

Today I will introduce Tribuloid and see what all the talk is about.

Lastly, my plan for cycling the Activate is simply a theory of mine, hoping that my body will not adjust to it as quickly, therefore stay on it longer. I love the sexual effects Activate gives me. The best I've ever felt.... hands down!!

Protocol will probably change as i go along.

My goal is to gain a couple of pounds(up 7lbs since a recent Pheraplex cycle), maybe lean out a little and hopefully reep the sexual benefits.

We'll see what happens. I will try to post feedback once and a while.

Thanks

uhockey
03-14-2006, 03:10 PM
Cool, good luck.

Jamps
04-04-2006, 09:44 PM
Hey designer people, whats up? I was just wondering umzzzzzzzzz..... Would you recommend adding saw palmetto to this stack to deal with the dht hair loss issue, since saw palmetto um supposedly prevents the conversion of testosterone to dht and other....or would this work against the purpose of the product (don't know how it would do that but just incase). Okie'z.......WoRD!

40-Yard Dash_2
04-04-2006, 10:07 PM
Hey designer people, whats up? I was just wondering umzzzzzzzzz..... Would you recommend adding saw palmetto to this stack to deal with the dht hair loss issue, since saw palmetto um supposedly prevents the conversion of testosterone to dht and other....or would this work against the purpose of the product (don't know how it would do that but just incase). Okie'z.......WoRD!
What!?!? First off, I am not aware of people complaining about hair loss with the NHA Stack, but I guess it could happen. Second, I didn't realize Saw Palmetto was used to prevent shedding.

Jamps
04-04-2006, 10:47 PM
yeah its suppose to help with baldness and is suggested to be used on a couple of pro-hor mone sites to prevent the androgen binding affect of dht. BUT like i said that was suggested for preventative measures when using PRO-Hor mones and since this isn't one then there shouldn't be a problem, but on the first page Robboe wrote this:

Q. So I won’t lose my hair using ActivaTe™?

Reports of this were few and far between. There was one case of paranoia and another case where a gentleman was sure there was increased shedding. The abundance of feedback showing no effect on hair loss verses the few reports that do indicate to us that this is not a typical side effect, so should be of small concern, unless prone to male pattern baldness maybe.

The increase of shedding could be a sign SUGGESTING the onset of baldness . I guess it just depends on how much test is increased and its correlation to dht increase. So i guess i wanted to maybe add it in just incase if i was one of those guys.... But the question again is, would taking saw palmetto work against the purpose or effects of the product in terms of anabolicism (my new word) or strength gains? If not then im jus going to supplement it just incase w/ Now's silica complex (mainly for its biotin&silica content which helps for hair). So let me know what you think cuz im kind of lost/confused in the area...thanx a bunch Lata.....

p.s. i haven't used the product yet but will test it out come cutting time (sooooooon....)
p.s.s. Also um saw palmetto indirectly helps prevents shedding due to its effects/inhibition on/of dht.

Robboe
04-05-2006, 06:13 AM
I vaguely recall someone telling me they planned to use SP during the NHA Stack for this very reason, but i do not recall how effective it was for the purpose.

Jamps
04-05-2006, 12:05 PM
Ohh ok coo, i just wanted to make sure that it doesn't oppose the um effects or limit the potentiality of your product......but if u think it would then plz let me know so that i could modify my stack for cutting time....(sorry for being a bug, its just that i don't really know too much about the dht and androgens stuff, but have been interested in it and learning about it ever since i came across your product) thanks for replying....Peace

Robboe
04-06-2006, 01:24 AM
I honestly don't know enough about SP to say whether it'd negate the effect of activate, but no one has come forward with information to specifically say it would so i doubt there's cause for concern.

bobbo X
04-06-2006, 07:04 AM
While on Activate I've experienced the deep sleep mentioned by some users (including INSANELY vivid dreams, etc.) but I also find that I'm exhausted during the day - I feel like I can lay down and take a nap and still sleep for 9-10 hours at night. This would be fine except my body doesn't seem to like all the sleep, so I'll sleep a ton one day and just be exhausted the next but unable to actually sleep as much as my body feels like it could. Anybody else experience this? Is it a short-term thing that goes away?

40-Yard Dash_2
04-06-2006, 08:21 AM
While on Activate I've experienced the deep sleep mentioned by some users (including INSANELY vivid dreams, etc.) but I also find that I'm exhausted during the day - I feel like I can lay down and take a nap and still sleep for 9-10 hours at night. This would be fine except my body doesn't seem to like all the sleep, so I'll sleep a ton one day and just be exhausted the next but unable to actually sleep as much as my body feels like it could. Anybody else experience this? Is it a short-term thing that goes away?
No, lethargy is not a side effect of Activate.

Robboe
04-06-2006, 02:20 PM
Not a typical one anyway. I've read at least one (cause it was recent), possibly two other accounts of lethargy/tiredness from activate.

It seems some people are super-sensitive to it.

Chris95
04-06-2006, 02:47 PM
I'm loving ActivaTe..........had to take a couple wks off b/c of a shoulder injury but I have been back on for about a week now. Strength is way up, deep sleep and crazy dreams. Only drawback so far has been libido...not as bad as on a PH but still not up to par. Oh well no g/f at the moment so I'll let it slide.

Question, do I taper down the RXT during the final week?

***side note -----> my bodyweight has increased from 204 to 208/209. Very nice.

uhockey
04-07-2006, 07:02 AM
I always recommend tapering down all products, RXT included.

cordeen
04-07-2006, 11:54 AM
I'm still running the Activate at 4 caps a day and things are great...I love this stuff. However, I know for sure now that any AI diminishes my libido within 24 hours. I'm coming off 6OXO for a while...been taking it for 2-3 days per week. The morning after my first dose, my libido is gone down...then 2 days after my last dose my libido is back up. I am seriously trying feel out the best products for keeping my test levels high without any negative side effects and so far Activate is pretty much it....other than maybe PowerFULL which was pretty good but gave me more of a full body pump. I may consider stacking these 2 in the near future but next in line is Forskolin powder from *** which i should get in the next day or two and also some Symmetry-X. I am trying to read up on recently posted "estrogen issues" related to Forskolin founded in one study.... but so far no feedback points in this direction. Anagen and Hyperdrol are looking temping too. Either way, I really hope to find a good natural/herbal stack to stick with for some time...right now though Activate is definitely in there.

Jamps
04-07-2006, 03:22 PM
Yo robbe i think ur right about the sensitive thing because it kinda is the same like some nootropics like piracetam. That thing is supposedly so powerfull that if u take so much then u become lethargic, but then i've read instances where people take a little bit less than the suggested amount and they still get that lethargic effect, so i guess it might be up to the individual to figure out if they are super sensitive to suppz. based off of previous experiences (like with other supplements, like caffeine or NO or other...), there may be a correlation there and might not since both are of different substances and effects.......anyways lata peeps...

Robboe
04-09-2006, 04:58 AM
Yeah, all body chemistry's are different, so you're bound to see effects ranging from either side of the spectrum.

Bane
04-09-2006, 05:32 AM
I honestly don't know enough about SP to say whether it'd negate the effect of activate, but no one has come forward with information to specifically say it would so i doubt there's cause for concern.

SP prevents DHT binding in the prostate and also has some mild antiestrogenic effect. Can't see how this would counter Activate

uhockey
04-09-2006, 06:07 AM
That and the fact that SP is only mildly efficacious to begin with.

Bane
04-09-2006, 06:11 AM
That and the fact that SP is only mildly efficacious to begin with.

Well for prostrate hypertrophy prevention it has gotten some pretty good reviews from the medical community. Though of course there will be fools abundant that will try to self heal and not go see a doctor.

Edit:Good reads:http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=241559&d=1128601890
http://www.priory.com/med/saw.htm

kappaz
11-16-2006, 07:21 PM
No, lethargy is not a side effect of Activate.

I'm noticing it big time. I'm getting very deep sleep, but I could seriously sleep all day. I've been going through all the stims I have just to stay awake. I've never experienced lethargy this bad.

I'm on day 10 of activate+rr

Jamps
11-16-2006, 07:41 PM
I'm noticing it big time. I'm getting very deep sleep, but I could seriously sleep all day. I've been going through all the stims I have just to stay awake. I've never experienced lethargy this bad.

I'm on day 10 of activate+rr


wow strong bump :D.... you ever try doing a mini cardio session to keep u up? That kinda worked for me when i had to do those all nighters for school :cool:

uhockey
11-17-2006, 03:31 AM
I know some people get excessive overall daytime sleepiness from activaTe, but it seems rare. I personally experience BETTER/DEEPER sleep and have no trouble getting up in the morning. I can't really comment on the stims....I pretty much run on IV coffee. :)

warriors
11-17-2006, 01:23 PM
I'm noticing it big time. I'm getting very deep sleep, but I could seriously sleep all day. I've been going through all the stims I have just to stay awake. I've never experienced lethargy this bad.

I'm on day 10 of activate+rr


This is what happened to me on Activate. I had to stop on day 10 b/c the lethargy was awful. Sucks that it happens and yes it is very very rare from what I've seen. I think you make about the 4th person(including me) I've ever read about getting serious lethargy from it.

Fantasian
05-03-2007, 09:47 AM
I used ACTIVATE And Rebound XT in the NHA stack as follows
Activate 3 caps per day and REBOUND XT 3 caps per day for 4 weeks

I realise i should have tapered down but i am having some major issues with libido and some of the starting signs of having too much Estrogen in my system i guess from a rebound.

it's been 5 weeks now and my levels dont seem back to normal, would running another cycle but this time tapering down sort my problems out?

Im 19 (i know it's young) and 70kg

uhockey
05-03-2007, 10:25 AM
I used ACTIVATE And Rebound XT in the NHA stack as follows
Activate 3 caps per day and REBOUND XT 3 caps per day for 4 weeks

I realise i should have tapered down but i am having some major issues with libido and some of the starting signs of having too much Estrogen in my system i guess from a rebound.

it's been 5 weeks now and my levels dont seem back to normal, would running another cycle but this time tapering down sort my problems out?

Im 19 (i know it's young) and 70kg

I would recommend following directions, and going to see your physician.

Fantasian
05-03-2007, 02:30 PM
I did but my physician said problems like this do not occur from using non steroidal products.

uhockey
05-03-2007, 02:43 PM
I did but my physician said problems like this do not occur from using non steroidal products.

He's likely right. Ask for testing of hormonal levels and if he won't do it, see an endocrinologist.

Fantasian
05-03-2007, 02:44 PM
I did ask, i will try to find an endocrineologist

Shatter
05-03-2007, 11:16 PM
Are headaches reported whilst on ActivaTe?

I started using activate about a week ago, I noticed an instant full/hardness - which was great.

But, I have also been getting headaches for the last few days, which is unusual for me. I am not sure if it's all the extra physical activity I have been doing, or if it's the activate. I have not introduced any other supps recently.

northbiker
05-03-2007, 11:55 PM
Can Activate be stacked with

Shock Therapy
Storm
Glycergrow
Red Acid

this is for a cutting cycle

????????????????????????????????????????

Robboe
05-04-2007, 02:49 AM
Are headaches reported whilst on ActivaTe?

I started using activate about a week ago, I noticed an instant full/hardness - which was great.

But, I have also been getting headaches for the last few days, which is unusual for me. I am not sure if it's all the extra physical activity I have been doing, or if it's the activate. I have not introduced any other supps recently.

This would be the first report if so. And i'm not entirely sure what mechanism is would cause headaches by.

Is the temperature beginning to climb where you are? Drinking sufficient water?

Robboe
05-04-2007, 02:55 AM
Can Activate be stacked with

Shock Therapy
Storm
Glycergrow
Red Acid

this is for a cutting cycle

????????????????????????????????????????

Yes.

northbiker
05-04-2007, 03:40 AM
just another question

can you also stack

Jungle Warfare
6-OXO
Activate

for two months supply

uhockey
05-08-2007, 06:54 PM
just another question

can you also stack

Jungle Warfare
6-OXO
Activate

for two months supply

I wouldn't.

ActivaTe + 6-Oxo would be sufficient.

Shatter
05-13-2007, 01:28 PM
This would be the first report if so. And i'm not entirely sure what mechanism is would cause headaches by.

Is the temperature beginning to climb where you are? Drinking sufficient water?

Actually, temperature is going down. Since it's not the activate, I will put it down to tight back/neck muscles from gym & new job. It's frustrating, because I have started X-Factor, along with the activate and obviously NSAIDs are not allowed. Just to note, i started getting headaches a few days before I started the X-Factor, so it was not that.

lildre432
05-14-2007, 11:03 PM
Does this stuff screw up libido....Im using this with a X factor stack, zma, ice, ultra peptide, all the other staples. I need that Libido up and running...

Elliptical Envy
05-14-2007, 11:05 PM
Quick question for the DS crew. I had the dosing instructions for the NHA stack but I have misplaced them. Could someone else let me know how to dose Activate and RR together? Thank y'all in advance.

Giggety Giggety
05-14-2007, 11:27 PM
Quick question for the DS crew. I had the dosing instructions for the NHA stack but I have misplaced them. Could someone else let me know how to dose Activate and RR together? Thank y'all in advance.


I believe Rebound Reloaded is dose @ 3caps for the first 3 weeks then 2caps and then 1cap for the final week, while ActiveTe is dose 4 caps daily for 4wks and none for that last 5th week.

Shatter
05-14-2007, 11:28 PM
Does this stuff screw up libido....Im using this with a X factor stack, zma, ice, ultra peptide, all the other staples. I need that Libido up and running...

Certainly has not screwed up mine.

uhockey
05-15-2007, 04:05 AM
I believe Rebound Reloaded is dose @ 3caps for the first 3 weeks then 2caps and then 1cap for the final week, while ActiveTe is dose 4 caps daily for 4wks and none for that last 5th week.

I tend to stick with 2 caps daily, then taper down in the last 7 days, but the recommendation is start with 2, taper up to 3 for the duration of the cycle, then down to 2 for a couple days, then down to 1 for about five days, then off.

Shatter
05-15-2007, 08:23 AM
What's the ETA on Activate Xtreme?

Madevilz
05-15-2007, 08:26 AM
Is ActivaTe Xtreme a combination of the old ActivaTe and Rebound Reloaded?

uhockey
05-15-2007, 09:20 AM
What's the ETA on Activate Xtreme?

Juneish


Is ActivaTe Xtreme a combination of the old ActivaTe and Rebound Reloaded?

Absolutely not. We don't want to be another "me too" company. We keep our AI and our Divanil seperate so that those under 21 (or those who are oversensitive) can reap divanil's natural benefits without the AI risks.

We're not the slimey type to say "yeah, go ahead kids, 18 is fine," either.

Shatter
05-15-2007, 09:51 AM
Juneish

Absolutely not. We don't want to be another "me too" company. We keep our AI and our Divanil seperate so that those under 21 (or those who are oversensitive) can reap divanil's natural benefits without the AI risks.

We're not the slimey type to say "yeah, go ahead kids, 18 is fine," either.

I hope it's formulated so that I can still get it in to Australia. I kind of wish you would say what would be in it, so I know whether to stock up on Activate in the knowledge that i wont be able to get extreme past customs.

uhockey
05-15-2007, 10:29 AM
I hope it's formulated so that I can still get it in to Australia. I kind of wish you would say what would be in it, so I know whether to stock up on Activate in the knowledge that i wont be able to get extreme past customs.

We did that last time and got knocked off within a month. Not this time. Thanks for asking though. I don't think it'll be an issue getting it through customs.

Elliptical Envy
05-15-2007, 11:07 AM
I tend to stick with 2 caps daily, then taper down in the last 7 days, but the recommendation is start with 2, taper up to 3 for the duration of the cycle, then down to 2 for a couple days, then down to 1 for about five days, then off.

This is what I was looking for. Thanks Gigg and Uhockey!

Shatter
05-16-2007, 06:16 PM
We did that last time and got knocked off within a month. Not this time. Thanks for asking though. I don't think it'll be an issue getting it through customs.

Nah, it's all good - I understand why it's a liability to release the information early. Anyway, looking forward to it, it will definitely be in my next bulk if it gets through.

uhockey
05-16-2007, 06:58 PM
Nah, it's all good - I understand why it's a liability to release the information early. Anyway, looking forward to it, it will definitely be in my next bulk if it gets through.

Unless something changes drastically, it is all natural, just as ActivaTe was, so it shoudn't be a problem :)

Elliptical Envy
05-16-2007, 09:36 PM
I tend to stick with 2 caps daily, then taper down in the last 7 days, but the recommendation is start with 2, taper up to 3 for the duration of the cycle, then down to 2 for a couple days, then down to 1 for about five days, then off.

Uhockey, would you dose RR depending on weight? I was thinking about sticking with 2 caps a day since I heard that it is pretty powerful at the dosage.

uhockey
05-17-2007, 03:47 AM
Uhockey, would you dose RR depending on weight? I was thinking about sticking with 2 caps a day since I heard that it is pretty powerful at the dosage.

I'm 180ish (currently lower) and I found optimal for myself to be 2 caps daily. Our pro bodybuilder, Bryce Holmes was using 6/day for a while. I'd say weight matters, bodytype matters, and normal circulating levels of E matter.

People carrying more abdominal fat likely would benefit from 3 caps daily while leaner people should be good at 2.

mofolife1
05-17-2007, 08:40 PM
Can Rebound Reloaded be taken for 5 weeks?

uhockey
05-18-2007, 03:19 AM
Can Rebound Reloaded be taken for 5 weeks?

We recommend 4, but many have gone to 8.

naturalguy
05-18-2007, 06:59 AM
When are we going to see info on Activate Extreme?

uhockey
05-18-2007, 07:13 AM
When are we going to see info on Activate Extreme?

Immediately before its release. We are NOT in the market for getting knocked off quickly again......we're already seeing that problem with one of our products......having a bitter employee quit and take your owner's ideas elsewhere is a bit of a bitch.

naturalguy
05-18-2007, 12:01 PM
Immediately before its release. We are NOT in the market for getting knocked off quickly again......we're already seeing that problem with one of our products......having a bitter employee quit and take your owner's ideas elsewhere is a bit of a bitch.

Wow that sucks. Well I am interested in Activate Extreme. Whats the target release date?

Elliptical Envy
05-18-2007, 12:24 PM
I'm 180ish (currently lower) and I found optimal for myself to be 2 caps daily. Our pro bodybuilder, Bryce Holmes was using 6/day for a while. I'd say weight matters, bodytype matters, and normal circulating levels of E matter.

People carrying more abdominal fat likely would benefit from 3 caps daily while leaner people should be good at 2.

Thank you again Uhockey.

Sldge
05-18-2007, 12:34 PM
Nah, it's all good - I understand why it's a liability to release the information early. Anyway, looking forward to it, it will definitely be in my next bulk if it gets through.

You should start seeing ACT in GNC in australia very soon. We are already in the process of getting the ACT X version approved. As soon as it is ready we hope to send some right away.


Wow that sucks. Well I am interested in Activate Extreme. Whats the target release date?

We are waiting on one chem. Its brand new and we had a hell of a time sourcing it. We have been told we should have it in the next 2 weeks and then it will be sent out for capping ASAP. While its being capped we'll start releasing info on it. The same with LX2, GXR2 and the new superstim we've been alpha testing. No info till it is about to ship.

uhockey
05-18-2007, 03:42 PM
You should start seeing ACT in GNC in australia very soon. We are already in the process of getting the ACT X version approved. As soon as it is ready we hope to send some right away.



We are waiting on one chem. Its brand new and we had a hell of a time sourcing it. We have been told we should have it in the next 2 weeks and then it will be sent out for capping ASAP. While its being capped we'll start releasing info on it. The same with LX2, GXR2 and the new superstim we've been alpha testing. No info till it is about to ship.

I've got some info on the superstim......once daily dosing plus a cup of coffee is good, even for me! :)

physqoparty
05-19-2007, 03:32 PM
Hey uhockey,
Im finishing up an NHA run and it has been awesome! Im gunna rave about it in a mini review as soon as its done. How long untill you think it would be good to run another test booster like Diesel Test, tribex or activate extreme?(:) siked for the xtreme to drop!)

40-Yard Dash_2
05-19-2007, 07:02 PM
Hey uhockey,
Im finishing up an NHA run and it has been awesome! Im gunna rave about it in a mini review as soon as its done. How long untill you think it would be good to run another test booster like Diesel Test, tribex or activate extreme?(:) siked for the xtreme to drop!)

Generally, time on is equal to time off with these stacks.

Shatter
05-20-2007, 01:27 AM
You should start seeing ACT in GNC in australia very soon. We are already in the process of getting the ACT X version approved. As soon as it is ready we hope to send some right away.



Ahh sweet. Will prob still stick with bb.com since the prices seem to inflate ridiculously by the time they hit our stores but it's nice to start seeing some real products getting released in Australia.

uhockey
05-20-2007, 03:49 AM
Ahh sweet. Will prob still stick with bb.com since the prices seem to inflate ridiculously by the time they hit our stores but it's nice to start seeing some real products getting released in Australia.

Darn right. I think your rep may need some assistance.

40-Yard Dash_2
05-20-2007, 11:58 AM
You should start seeing ACT in GNC in australia very soon. We are already in the process of getting the ACT X version approved. As soon as it is ready we hope to send some right away.

Congrats!

uhockey
05-21-2007, 03:22 AM
People keep asking "when." The answer is "soon," and that's all we will say.

CoeX
05-24-2007, 08:55 AM
i am 22 years old, i know my tests are probably at its peak... would i benefit from this product or would you not recommend it for me at this relatively young age?

Striver
05-25-2007, 07:04 AM
Currently logging this... and loving it...

40-Yard Dash_2
05-25-2007, 07:08 AM
Currently logging this... and loving it...

Thanks for the feedback.

Striver
05-25-2007, 07:09 AM
Thanks for the feedback.

I've said nothing about it yet, :p

I'll mention it in my next entry as I can feel it taking effect.

40-Yard Dash_2
05-25-2007, 07:10 AM
i am 22 years old, i know my tests are probably at its peak... would i benefit from this product or would you not recommend it for me at this relatively young age?

Being a youngster, you have a high level of bound test that you could free up via ActivaTe, so yes, it would be rather beneficial on your part.

Striver
05-25-2007, 07:13 AM
Being a youngster, you have a high level of bound test that you could free up via ActivaTe, so yes, it would be rather beneficial on your part.

Good to hear!

I am certainly feeling the warmth too.

uhockey
05-26-2007, 03:00 AM
Being a youngster, you have a high level of bound test that you could free up via ActivaTe, so yes, it would be rather beneficial on your part.

Indeed.

lacrosse34
07-13-2007, 10:40 PM
how would stacking X factor and being that im 18, instead of using active TE, using universals' M-stack?

uhockey
07-14-2007, 03:14 AM
ActivaTe is recommended for those 18+