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G8TR
11-14-2005, 04:17 PM
As You Can Tell I Am A New Member And Have Been Working Out Off And On For About 7 Yrs. I Workout 4-5 Days A Week And Have Been Using Creating, Whey Protein, And Occasionally A Test Booster. I Am Looking For Something That Would Bulk Me Up And Have Been Looking At Xience But Am Not Sure About It.

Dosquito
11-14-2005, 04:18 PM
As You Can Tell I Am A New Member And Have Been Working Out Off And On For About 7 Yrs. I Workout 4-5 Days A Week And Have Been Using Creating, Whey Protein, And Occasionally A Test Booster. I Am Looking For Something That Would Bulk Me Up And Have Been Looking At Xience But Am Not Sure About It.
Cell-Tech

BiggJohn
11-14-2005, 04:23 PM
As You Can Tell I Am A New Member And Have Been Working Out Off And On For About 7 Yrs. I Workout 4-5 Days A Week And Have Been Using Creating, Whey Protein, And Occasionally A Test Booster. I Am Looking For Something That Would Bulk Me Up And Have Been Looking At Xience But Am Not Sure About It.

Very interesting how you capitize the first letter of every word.

Bulking supplements:
Whey protein concentrate
Milk protein isolate
Fish oil capsules
Creatine
Multivitamin

G8TR
11-14-2005, 04:24 PM
How Many Servings Come In A Container?

BiggJohn
11-14-2005, 04:24 PM
Cell-Tech

Please put a smiley face or a JK next to that or somebody will take you seriously.

Dosquito
11-14-2005, 04:25 PM
Please put a smiley face or a JK next to that or somebody will take you seriously.
I want him to...

G8TR
11-14-2005, 04:25 PM
Not Sure How The Capitalize Happens

BiggJohn
11-14-2005, 04:25 PM
How Many Servings Come In A Container?

He is just kidding, Cell-tech is crap.

jtmOBX
11-14-2005, 04:25 PM
Please put a smiley face or a JK next to that or somebody will take you seriously.

Haha I doubt anybody looking for cheap supplements could ever think Cell-Tech would fit into that category.

G8TR
11-14-2005, 04:27 PM
So Does Anyone Know Anything About Xience Supplements?

jtmOBX
11-14-2005, 04:30 PM
So Does Anyone Know Anything About Xience Supplements?

Cheaper alternatives out there.

Depends on what exactly you are looking for man.

cxm
11-14-2005, 04:31 PM
Search-Tech is free, its the best bulking supplement ever.Ask Jkeith CEO of Search-Tech J/k :D

Stay away from xyience, overhyped and overpriced
Oats cheap and great way to bulk with minimal fat gains
Nitric Oxide example White Blood

G8TR
11-14-2005, 04:32 PM
Looking For Something That Will Give Me Serious Bulk And Strength Throughout The Winter And Then Plan On Trimming Down In May.

MyTMouse
11-14-2005, 04:34 PM
Haha I doubt anybody looking for cheap supplements could ever think Cell-Tech would fit into that category.

amen. I'm not even sure you can call it a supplement. typically one would only refer to a product as a supplement if the benefits outweighed the costs. It certainly isn't a cheap supplement, but all the weight you lose out of your wallet completely cancels out the weight you gain on Cell-tech.


OK, now to the semi-helpful stuff:

I agree with most of the posts above. I think the essentials are a multivitamin, whey protein (I like ON's chocolate 100% Whey protein), and creatine. In my opinion, fish oils/EFA's are a good idea, but not really necessary if you are consuming plenty of EFA's in your diet. You can still add them if you see fit. I also like to supplement with ZMA.

but for the "bare essentials" go with the whey protein, creatine (choose some bulk creatine. Mono, CEE, whatever. just dont get sucked into marketing hype), and a good multivitamin.

thats the best advice I can give. Work hard in the gym, and keep your diet in check.

good luck bro!

sethg428
11-14-2005, 04:35 PM
cell-tech sux man dont use it.

jtmOBX
11-14-2005, 04:35 PM
Looking For Something That Will Give Me Serious Bulk And Strength Throughout The Winter And Then Plan On Trimming Down In May.

First proper diets going to help more than anything. Something like a WhiteBlood/GreenBulge stack could be helpful.

Edit - MyTMouse gives ya some good advice as well. When it comes to supplements dont buy into the hype, stick to the basics, hard training, and proper diet.

BiggJohn
11-14-2005, 04:40 PM
Haha I doubt anybody looking for cheap supplements could ever think Cell-Tech would fit into that category.

Good point

G8TR
11-14-2005, 04:46 PM
As Far As My Diet Goes I Could Use Some Work On That But I Try To Eat As Many Veggies As A I Can And Try To Eat As Many Lean Meats As I Can

I Guess I Will Stick With The Creatine And Whey Protein, Might Try The Fish Oil Pills To So How It Works

cxm
11-14-2005, 04:49 PM
As Far As My Diet Goes I Could Use Some Work On That But I Try To Eat As Many Veggies As A I Can And Try To Eat As Many Lean Meats As I Can

I Guess I Will Stick With The Creatine And Whey Protein, Might Try The Fish Oil Pills To So How It Works

This is from Pu12en12g
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=7642569&postcount=10

Diet:

-Total daily calorie intake. This is what will make / break you
-Total daily calorie intake. This is what will make / break you
-Total daily calorie intake. This is what will make / break you

- It is NOT efficient to try and lose fat AND gain muscle at the same time
- It is NOT efficient to try and lose fat AND gain muscle at the same time
- It is NOT efficient to try and lose fat AND gain muscle at the same time

- BMR and nutrition calculator (click here) (http://michaelandkendra.com/BMRCALC/bmrcalc.htm)

- Total Daily Protein Intake (for best results I recommend AROUND 2g per lb of bodyweight) (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=337536)

- Fatloss basics. READ IT: (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=379131)

- Foods (Good vs. Bad): (http://www.t-nation.com/portal_includes/articles/2001/172food.html)

- If there was ONE SINGLE KEY to the gains I made in the 1 1/2 years when I went from 175-225 (my best.. leanest gains), it is OATS / STEEL CUT OATS ! The emphasis here is that oats / steel cut oats are a INEXPENSIVE, HEALTHY, yet VERY CALORIE DENSE FOOD. I saw lean gains like I had never seen before. But NO THEY DON'T TASTE GOOD. YOU HAVE TO FORCE FEED THEM. This gets old fast. I added about 1 cup of oats to each protein shake.

When bulking (to gain lean muscle mass), I aim for:

- 1lb lean beef per day
- 1 Gallon Skim Milk per day
- Around 2000 cals per day from oats
- Lots of protein shakes (up to 8 per day)
- Lean chicken
- Lean turkey
- Lean beef / sloppy Joes (manwich)
- Hamburger Helper
- Lots of pasta
- Lots of tuna
- Potatoes
- Rice (Note: If you can afford it you can do things like boneless chicken breast, steaks etc.. etc..)
- Veggies (Fresh if possible)

When cutting (to lose fat):

- I eat many of the same foods above, but with a lower TOTAL DAILY CALORIE INTAKE

- I put a emphasis on PRE- and POST-workout nutrition, and the end result is that most of my calories are eaten before my afternoon workout. I have found this to be ideal (for me).




Supplements:

- Supplements / Companies to avoid (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=6801890&postcount=81)

- SAVE $$$$$ ! ! STICK WITH THE BASICS ! ! )


Multivitamin (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/now/adam.html)
(Click here for a Multivitamin Comparison Chart) (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=561943)
10 lb bags of Optimum Whey Protein (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/opt/whey.html) (This includes a great BCAA profile AND glutamine) (Note: I recommend Choc / Choc Mint only)
Creapure Creatine (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/opt/crea.html) or Creatine Ethyl Ester HCL (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/omega/cre.html) or Magnesium Creatine Chelate (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/clabs/green.html)
Cold Pressed Flaxseed oil (and / or fishoil (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/efa.html)


- Stay on creatine, there is no need to cycle it ! (cycling and loading are totally optional)

- Creatine timing (when / how to take it):
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=307788
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/author22.htm

- For best results, aim for AROUND 2g of total daily protein intake per lb of bodyweight EVERY SINGLE DAY ! !

Example:


Bodyweight: 200lbs
Total daily protein intake: 400g

Here is why:


Protein Prejudice (http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/nutrition/proprejudice.htm)
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=337536
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=392907





Workout / Routine:

- I recommend a MAX-OT, 5x5, HST (or similar) routine with a EMPHASIS ON:
- Squatting / Leg pressing
- Deadlifts
- Barbell benchpress (Including flat / decline / incline)
- Both BB's and DB's for best results

- Concentrate more on measurements and less on bodyweight

- Weigh yourself once a week. Should gain (or lose) around 1lb per week (depending on goals).

- Concentrate on form first, in order to stay injury free

- Emphasize both range of motion, and mind-muscle connection

- With intensity, strength gains, and a proper bodybuilding diet, the size gains (or fatloss) will come

- Make sure and have a spotter when working out your major muscle groups, preferrably someone bigger than you

- Don't be scared of overtraining. Simply listen (pay attention) to your body, and ask more questions later if you think you are overtraining.





Cardio:

- If possible, do cardio at least 8 hours from when you lift weights

- If possible, do cardio in the AM after sleeping.

- No need to do cardio on a empty stomach, but many prefer to due to nausea

- Jumping rope is a very efficient form of cardio

- Sprinting is a very efficient form of cardio (http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/par46.htm)

- HIIT (High Intensity Interval Training) is a efficient form of cardio (http://www.musclemedia.com/training/hiit.asp)






Recovery (A.K.A GROWTH !):

- With proper intensity MUST COME PROPER RECOVERY !

- Make sure and get enough protein right before you go to sleep.

- Make sure and get enough protein/carbs right when you wake up

- Make sure and get enough deep, quality sleep (Not getting enough quality sleep is the #1 newbie mistake. You should aim for at least 8 QUALITY hours of sleep per night):

http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/training/sleep_1_pr.htm
http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/training/sleep_2_pr.htm

- Make sure and get enough protein / calories on off days (This is when your body will be recovering) It is important to be consistent !

- Make sure and get proper pre and post-workout nutrition:


Carbs pre and post workout.
Protein pre and post workout.
Creatine pre and post workout:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=272067






H20 / Cell volumization:

- Make sure and drink enough water throughout the day (This is CRITICAL ! !) I drink about 1 liter per hour. (Keep in mind I am currently over 240lbs so you may not need this much) Click here to read about why this is SO IMPORTANT:


http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=332329
http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=301stretch2
http://www.biochemj.org/bj/313/0697/3130697.pdf
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/author22.htm

Good luck !

Disclaimer: The above post is IN MY OPINION, or IN MY EXPERIENCE, unless otherwise noted.


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G8TR
11-14-2005, 04:58 PM
Thanks For The Advice And Links This Will Help Alot With What I Eat In Order To Bulk

cxm
11-14-2005, 05:00 PM
Thanks For The Advice And Links This Will Help Alot With What I Eat In Order To Bulk

No problem, but the thanks should be for PU12en12g he is the author.

G8TR
11-14-2005, 05:10 PM
Is There A Certain Brand Of Creatine That Anybody Recommends?

I Have Been Using Phosphagen Creatine By Eas.

jtmOBX
11-14-2005, 05:11 PM
Green Bulge is a good one.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/clabs/green.html

cxm
11-14-2005, 05:14 PM
Is There A Certain Brand Of Creatine That Anybody Recommends?

I Have Been Using Phosphagen Creatine By Eas.

If creatine mono works for you (phospagen) stick with it.
There are cheaper alternatives that are just as good
1000 grams for $19.99 higher power
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/hp/creatine.html

cxm
11-14-2005, 05:17 PM
Higher Power is micronized which is easier to mix, than phosphagen

G8TR
11-14-2005, 05:20 PM
Does Anyone Think The Test Boosters Are Worth The Money? Like I Said I Have Used Them In The Past But I Also Stacked Them With The Creatine And Couldn't Tell If It Was The Booster Or The Creatine.

Thanks For All The Advice Everyone, This Is Helping Alot!

MyTMouse
11-15-2005, 12:18 PM
Does Anyone Think The Test Boosters Are Worth The Money? Like I Said I Have Used Them In The Past But I Also Stacked Them With The Creatine And Couldn't Tell If It Was The Booster Or The Creatine.

Thanks For All The Advice Everyone, This Is Helping Alot!

I think ZMA is worth the money. Don't know about the other stuff. Before anyone asks, no I'm not a pimp for Dymatize.

But I like Z-force ZMA and Dymatize creatine. great stuff.

davedepezio
11-15-2005, 12:27 PM
Zma is not a bad product I have taken it for sometime now.