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Robboe
11-03-2005, 04:42 AM
With Melting Point now being available at BB.com: http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/design/melt.html

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Here is a basic FAQ for the product.

(Q) Is there a full write-up for the product anywhere?

Yes, it can be found here (http://www.designersupps.com/product_writeups/meltingpoint.pdf).

(Q) Where can I buy Melting Point™?

here ( http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/design/melt.html).

(Q) How long will a bottle last?

30 days at the recommended dose.

(Q) What is the recommended dosage?

4-6 caps per day. You are free to experiment with higher dosing if you so desire.

(Q) Is there anything Melting Point™ should or should not be taken with?

MP alone is awesome, but can be stacked with other available products for synergy. Melting Point™ + Lean Xtreme™ would be very potent. Glucophase XR™ can also be used during dieting for optimal fat burning.

(Q) Can I stack Melting Point™ with other products?

Yes, it is just that flexible. Seriously.

(Q) Should it be taken with food or on an empty stomach?

Either.

(Q) Is a loading phase necessary?

It most certainly is not necessary, however, it can be quite beneficial to front load with LipidAce™, as its effects continue even when you later reduce dosage.

(Q) Are doses spread throughout the day or is it a 1-shot deal?

The half-life of LipidAce™ is about 12 hrs so you could theoretically take one dose per day, but we recommend splitting your daily dose at least in half for optimal effects.

(Q) Are there any dangers with using Melting Point™?

Nothing in all of the studies we have read indicates that Melting Point™ contains any ingredients that are anything other than safe and very effective. Even at much higher doses.

(Q) Will LipidAce™ have any effect on thyroid or thyroid medication?

No.

(Q) Since Melting Point™ increases your metabolism, does it make you feel hotter?

Alpha-testing reports show mild increases in core temperature, but nothing uncomfortable or intolerable, unless you already live on the equator.

(Q) Can you take Melting Point™ if you already take prescription medication for migraines?

Of course it depends on the specific drug, and anyone taking any prescription medications should consult their physician before starting this or any new dietary supplement, but in general there should be no contraindications between Melting Point™ and migraine medication.

(Q) Can I stack EC with Melting Point™?

Yes, but given the effectiveness of Melting Point™, you may want to ask whether it is necessary first.

(Q) Can I use Melting Point™ for a lean bulk?

Yes. Dosing is going to depend upon the individual and their body type. If you gain fat easily, you should experiment between a &#189; dose and a full dose to see what works best. If you are an ectomorph or a mesomorph, there really is no need to take Melting Point when bulking.

(Q) Will Melting Point™ work well with a diet?

Melting Point™ will work awesome with any diet.

(Q) Would you go as far to say that someone doing a lean bulk (without Melting Point™) could ditch the oatmeal, tuna, etc, and start eating pizza, cookies, ice cream, etc, with about the same results while on Melting Point?

Based on studies and the alpha-testing - yes. But also understand, eating like crap will not produce the same results (in terms of muscle gain, strength gain or even body composition) as eating clean. Melting Point™ will not turn crap fuel into premium fuel, it will just help you clean out the crap fuel so that is doesn’t mess up your engine. Melting Point™ is designed to greatly assist a well designed exercise and eating plan, not make up for it.

(Q) How does Melting Point™ affect the liver?

It will affect most cells in your body, including liver cells. But it's not going to harm liver values like methylated androgenic compounds do, no.

(Q) Any reason you can't use this stuff indefinitely, or would one want to cycle it?

Your body strives to maintain homeostasis as best as it can, and even though studies indicate that LipidAce™ gets stronger with long-term use, it'd still be a safe bet (and economical) to cycle off for 4-6 weeks after a long cycle. Generally speaking, one could use Melting Point™ for 10-16 weeks, the more overweight you are, the longer you can stand on Melting Point™ with continued efficacy.

(Q) Any benefit to (or problems with) double or triple dosing?

No problem with bumping the doses up if you can afford to, no. In fact, we recommend experimenting with dosage levels to find the optimal dosage level for you.

(Q) Any instances in literature of rashes such as those seen with UA (Usnic Acid) and DNP?

While one pathway LipidAce™ works through is the uncoupling protein family, it is not a mitochondrial uncoupler like the compounds noted, so no. Nor has any alpha tester seen anything of the sort.

(Q) Does Melting Point™ compete with SesaThin™ and fish oil, so that taking them together gives you less than the sum of their individual effects?

No. To the contrary, there is potential synergy of these compounds.

(Q) Does Melting Point™ have any positive/negative effects on hunger?

In some of the alpha-testers, increased hunger was noted. This is not surprising, however, because of the significant increase in metabolism.

(Q) Green Tea Extract (GTE) can inhibit gastric lipase, inhibiting the absorption of dietary fats. Since Melting Point™ is comprised of fatty acids, wouldn't it be prudent to avoid taking GTE and MP together?

The same can be said for avoiding fibre/green vegetables with fats, as the fibre can hinder absorption. But the overall effect is quite small, so don’t stress over it. If it’ll make you feel better, then sure.

(Q) Is there a particular “ideal” body fat % to use Melting Point™ at?

Yes - if you are above 15% body fat, or below 15% body fat, Melting Point™ is ideal. Designer Supplements – Ever the comedians…

(Q) Will all the health benefits of Melting Point™ be obtained with normal dosing or are they also dose dependant so that the higher the dosage the better the health benefits?

For health benefits, the recommended dose will be ideal, but there is also the chance that double-dosing may bring some qualities to light quicker, although the effect is not necessarily linear. Eventually, when you hit peak optimal health, returns will diminish with increasing the dosage (i.e. you can’t get any healthier).

(Q) It seems that standard dose Melting Point™ during prohormone post-cycle therapy (PCT) would be extremely beneficial in regards to correcting lipid profiles and helping avoid fat gain.

Absolutely. It would also allow you to eat a lot more to ensure you maintain your gains, without the concern for adding body fat - something typical of the PCT environment when estrogen tends to be higher and testosterone tends to be lower. Combined with Rebound XT™ and Lean Xtreme™ you have the best PCT strategy available.

uhockey
11-03-2005, 05:03 AM
Well done.......copy cat. ;) Seriously though, I think all new products should have this.

I especially dig "Of course it depends on the specific drug, and anyone taking any prescription medications should consult their physician before starting this or any new dietary supplement" as this will save me a lot of unnecessary E-mails. First off, just a student fellas, secondly, internet diagnosis is about as useful as astrology. :D

40-Yard Dash_2
11-03-2005, 05:16 AM
I know I've seen this FAQ format somewhere before, but I can't quite seem to recall....Ah well!

jkeithc82
11-03-2005, 05:23 AM
First off, just a student fellas, secondly, internet diagnosis is about as useful as astrology. :D

Oh jeez, now I'm so confused!!!! :D

avian
11-03-2005, 05:52 AM
Does MP contains flax oil or powder?

Can i stack MP with X-Factor?

Does MP should work better taking with any kind of dietary fat?

uhockey
11-03-2005, 06:03 AM
Does MP contains flax oil or powder?

Can i stack MP with X-Factor?

Does MP should work better taking with any kind of dietary fat?

Powder.
Yes, but it may deminish some of X-Factors inflammatory processes and render it less effective.
See the FAQ. Fish oil should be included in ANY healthy diet.

avian
11-03-2005, 06:09 AM
sure, i know that, just wondering about it, i couldnt afford both anyway
;)

gut23
11-03-2005, 06:44 AM
Powder.
Yes, but it may deminish some of X-Factors inflammatory processes and render it less effective.
See the FAQ. Fish oil should be included in ANY healthy diet.
I am already taking flax. how much flax (milligrams or grams) would this, at full dose, add per day? I want to keep my flax intake constant so I would lower my flax if I would be getting some from MP

uhockey
11-03-2005, 06:49 AM
I am already taking flax. how much flax (milligrams or grams) would this, at full dose, add per day? I want to keep my flax intake constant so I would lower my flax if I would be getting some from MP

As many competitors are currently attempting to knock off Melting Point in one form or another, I obviously cannot/willnot disclose that information because simple addition/subtraction would indicate our effective dosing of TTA which we've spent a considerable amount of time, money, and feedback in determining.

The flax and "Lipidace" was originally used to disguise the presence of TTA so we weren't copied before the product even made it to market, now it is a convenient means to mask the determined effective dosage of TTA (which has been tweaked according to feedback on 2 occassions.)

Suffice it to say TTA is the main ingredient, flax is quite secondary both in efficacy and content, and will contribute very little to your daily intake.

P.S. Nice try. ;)

dbish77
11-03-2005, 07:01 AM
So what about Melting Point "cleans out the crap fuel so that is doesn’t mess up your engine"?

uhockey
11-03-2005, 07:07 AM
So what about Melting Point "cleans out the crap fuel so that is doesn’t mess up your engine"?

I believe that is clever British for "increases caloric wasting to an extent." It's a poorly worded analogy for "Damage control" at best.

But anyhow, don't think for a second you cannot outeat melting point......you can, and I have just to be sure.

I'm going to go to my "debriefing" for Family Medicine now and then spend my Thursday studying for my shelf-exam tomorrow. I should be around to field more quesitons later.

Robboe
11-03-2005, 08:04 AM
I know I've seen this FAQ format somewhere before, but I can't quite seem to recall....Ah well!

Oh yeah, this has blatantly ripped off the format from PU. I won't deny that.

Robboe
11-03-2005, 08:09 AM
The flax and "Lipidace" was originally used to disguise the presence of TTA so we weren't copied before the product even made it to market, now it is a convenient means to mask the determined effective dosage of TTA (which has been tweaked according to feedback on 2 occassions.)

It's also proven to be quite decent at determining which companies knock-off MP completely compared to those who actually do their homework. ;)

Robboe
11-03-2005, 08:11 AM
I believe that is clever British for "increases caloric wasting to an extent." It's a poorly worded analogy for "Damage control" at best.


Actually, it is American-speak. That baby was Steve's contribution.

freakie
11-03-2005, 08:12 AM
My cutting supplement stack may be growing.

HEAT
AMP
Sesamin
Melting Point

Us Endo's need all the help we can get! ;)

binky
11-03-2005, 08:20 AM
Awesome FAQ!

You've got quite a lot of trademarks there. :D

Johnabis
11-03-2005, 08:26 AM
can you stack melting point with Trimax and EC all together?

Robboe
11-03-2005, 08:29 AM
can you stack melting point with Trimax and EC all together?

Yeah, if you like.

With the EC - go easy on the caffeine because it is a diuretic, and while using MP you want to try and maintain as much cellular hydration as possible to offset the cramping so you can stay on the product for a decent length of time.

freakie
11-03-2005, 09:07 AM
Yeah, if you like.

With the EC - go easy on the caffeine because it is a diuretic, and while using MP you want to try and maintain as much cellular hydration as possible to offset the cramping so you can stay on the product for a decent length of time.
Crap! You mean my beer, Lasix, and Melting Point cutting cycle isn't a good idea? <a <img src='http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_15_4.gif' border=0></a>

uhockey
11-03-2005, 09:45 AM
Crap! You mean my beer, Lasix, and Melting Point cutting cycle isn't a good idea? <a <img src='http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_15_4.gif' border=0></a>

::looks at above posts:: Maybe you're not an endo........maybe it's the beer. ;)

uhockey
11-03-2005, 09:46 AM
It's also proven to be quite decent at determining which companies knock-off MP completely compared to those who actually do their homework. ;)

It's like those odd K-R-ALA products that randomly have Q and Biotin added.......or those weird "fat burners" with "TTA and flax".........but you have to look at THE BIG PICTURE to figure that **** out........

freakie
11-03-2005, 09:50 AM
::looks at above posts:: Maybe you're not an endo........maybe it's the beer. ;)
Is that my problem?
Chicken wings and beer won't get you jacked?
I guess I don't have a "glandular problem" afterall! ;)

nni
11-03-2005, 10:04 AM
Is that my problem?
Chicken wings and beer won't get you jacked?
I guess I don't have a "glandular problem" afterall! ;)

dude, chicken wings are protein, and hot sauce, especially containing cayenne pepper, will lead to increased thermogenesis and aid in weight loss.

try some light beer, and you are set!!!!

or bacardi and diet cola!

uhockey
11-03-2005, 10:30 AM
Is that my problem?
Chicken wings and beer won't get you jacked?
I guess I don't have a "glandular problem" afterall! ;)

http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/6174/beer-icecream-diet-cold-calories.htm

Now, back on topic, Melting Point FAQ.

dbish77
11-03-2005, 10:34 AM
It's like those odd K-R-ALA products that randomly have Q and Biotin added.......or those weird "fat burners" with "TTA and flax".........but you have to look at THE BIG PICTURE to figure that **** out........
hmmmm...what is this in reference to????

freakie
11-03-2005, 10:41 AM
hmmmm...what is this in reference to????
InsuLean K (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/nbol/insu.html) by NutraBoner?

uhockey
11-03-2005, 10:46 AM
No, this thread is about Melting Point, so if you have Melting Point questions, feel free to ask.

uhockey
11-03-2005, 11:22 AM
FYI: Melting Point FINAL is now available in the bb.com Superstore!

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/design/melt.html

bumCakes
11-03-2005, 11:30 AM
On melting point you basically stay around the same weight while on and then lose weight drastically while off right? Because of water retention? What are the usual drops in BF%?

Beast
11-03-2005, 11:37 AM
I am already taking flax. how much flax (milligrams or grams) would this, at full dose, add per day? I want to keep my flax intake constant so I would lower my flax if I would be getting some from MP

In all honesty I would not even worry about counting the flax content in MP. Flax has many benefits and any additional calories from it will be overwhelming offset by TTA's increase in fat burning.

uhockey
11-03-2005, 11:42 AM
On melting point you basically stay around the same weight while on and then lose weight drastically while off right? Because of water retention? What are the usual drops in BF%?

That depends on you, your diet, and your training. Melting point does not equal Magic Bullet.

bumCakes
11-03-2005, 11:49 AM
That depends on you, your diet, and your training. Melting point does not equal Magic Bullet.
Ok, but i don't really understand. Lets say that diet and cardio is good and youre taking melting point. You would be losing BF% while staying at the same weight because of water, and then you would lose the water after your done, right? I know theres no substitution to diet and cardio.

uhockey
11-03-2005, 11:58 AM
Ok, but i don't really understand. Lets say that diet and cardio is good and youre taking melting point. You would be losing BF% while staying at the same weight because of water, and then you would lose the water after your done, right? I know theres no substitution to diet and cardio.

Some people actually lose weight while taking the product, but even in that case the most significant weight loss is seen after completion of the cycle and excretion of the excess water.

Robboe
11-03-2005, 12:01 PM
I find i hold water like a buggar on MP, but i still drop fat (and thus, weight) while using it, even if i am retaining a crap-load of water. When i cease use, about 4lbs water comes off.

It really seems to push my insulin sensitivty also (more so than long-term dieting does alone), because when i revert to gaining and increase my carbs some, i go into a very anabolic state. It's pretty nifty.

bumCakes
11-03-2005, 12:28 PM
Ok thanks for the info. I'm going to use MP for my next cut. :) I'll let everyone know my feedback once i use it.

dito
11-03-2005, 12:38 PM
I know I've seen this FAQ format somewhere before, but I can't quite seem to recall....Ah well!

duhn duhn duhn

Mister_A
11-17-2005, 11:03 AM
Any known effects on Libido?

TommyTuffGuy
11-17-2005, 11:16 AM
Ok, curious...Is Melting Point a thermo/stimulant ? I actually was chosen on another board to be a product tester for "Basic Cuts" which I am excited about (they don't seem to have been sent out yet though) but this melting point looks quite interesting. Thanks!

The Godfatha
11-17-2005, 11:31 AM
Guys I am really surprised you did not mention taking some electrolytes or taurine or anything like that is a good idea to help prevent cramping.

Any reason why?

Robboe
11-17-2005, 12:33 PM
Any known effects on Libido?

No one's reported any.

If enough people could stay on the product long enough to give feedback then there may be an issue, but until then we can't say. Those who have done 8 weeks or more have not reported the effect.

Robboe
11-17-2005, 12:34 PM
Ok, curious...Is Melting Point a thermo/stimulant ? I actually was chosen on another board to be a product tester for "Basic Cuts" which I am excited about (they don't seem to have been sent out yet though) but this melting point looks quite interesting. Thanks!

No, zero stimulation from Melting Point.

Robboe
11-17-2005, 12:35 PM
Guys I am really surprised you did not mention taking some electrolytes or taurine or anything like that is a good idea to help prevent cramping.

Any reason why?

It's an old FAQ i did before we realise the cramping were not isolated cases. I'll get round to redoing it eventually.

Mister_A
11-17-2005, 12:41 PM
Robboe/Uhockey:

What's your opinions on starting this while taking Activate?

Rage (SoCal)
11-17-2005, 12:44 PM
Word up to a damn solid product. Included in the write-up should be:

Is this product for pussies?

answer: F! No.


Did you guys increase the dosing per serving? Too lazy to check. If so....the price is much better, if the 4 capsules per day is affective as the 6 or 8 (whatever it is) that I was taking for 20 days.

Oh btw guys....

I just sold a bottle or two of MP (can't remember how much he bought) for you guys, wheres my money bitches?

:-p

Rage (SoCal)
11-17-2005, 12:45 PM
Some people actually lose weight while taking the product, but even in that case the most significant weight loss is seen after completion of the cycle and excretion of the excess water.

Word to that...the pics between the end of my MP log and the beginning of my RA log show a difference, wonder if this had anything to do with it. Of course I had an extra 3 weeks or so of cutting under my belt.

TommyTuffGuy
11-17-2005, 12:48 PM
No, zero stimulation from Melting Point.

That's actually what I was looking for. I've been reading into this SAN BLAZE for awhile now..undecided...yours seems like a better overall supplement. So obviously, you CAN stack this with Basic Cuts?

TommyTuffGuy
11-17-2005, 12:49 PM
Word to that...the pics between the end of my MP log and the beginning of my RA log show a difference, wonder if this had anything to do with it. Of course I had an extra 3 weeks or so of cutting under my belt.

How did Melting Point work for you? You said you had a log...do you have a final review on it/how much you took per day, all that? Thanks!

Robboe
11-17-2005, 12:57 PM
Robboe/Uhockey:

What's your opinions on starting this while taking Activate?

Go for it. The cellular volumizing effect of activate should stave off the cramping for a decent length of time, but still take extra potassium/magnesium to be safe.

Robboe
11-17-2005, 12:59 PM
Word up to a damn solid product. Included in the write-up should be:

Is this product for pussies?

answer: F! No.


Did you guys increase the dosing per serving? Too lazy to check. If so....the price is much better, if the 4 capsules per day is affective as the 6 or 8 (whatever it is) that I was taking for 20 days.

Oh btw guys....

I just sold a bottle or two of MP (can't remember how much he bought) for you guys, wheres my money bitches?

:-p

We most certainly did, yeah. It used to be 4 caps/day recommended, with 120 caps per bottle to give you a full 30-day supply.

However, now, it is 6 caps/day recommended and 180 caps to give you a full 30-day supply. :)

Robboe
11-17-2005, 01:01 PM
That's actually what I was looking for. I've been reading into this SAN BLAZE for awhile now..undecided...yours seems like a better overall supplement. So obviously, you CAN stack this with Basic Cuts?

Of course!

ALl DSupplements and DStackables products can be used in conjunction.

Rage (SoCal)
11-17-2005, 01:02 PM
We most certainly did, yeah. It used to be 4 caps/day recommended, with 120 caps per bottle to give you a full 30-day supply.

However, now, it is 6 caps/day recommended and 180 caps to give you a full 30-day supply. :)

you bastages! Great job w/ providing more to the consumer. Keep banging out excellent work fellars.

Rage (SoCal)
11-17-2005, 01:04 PM
How did Melting Point work for you? You said you had a log...do you have a final review on it/how much you took per day, all that? Thanks!

Worked extremely well. It is one of the supplements that I would actually recommend to someone (and I don't recommend much). This product works, it is not for the faint-hearted who will bitch about cramps and feeling like crap. :-)

40-Yard Dash_2
11-17-2005, 01:09 PM
Worked extremely well. It is one of the supplements that I would actually recommend to someone (and I don't recommend much). This product works, it is not for the faint-hearted who will bitch about cramps and feeling like crap. :-)
I want to try it just for the cramping.lol. I want to see if I eat enough potassium, sodium, and water to combat this side effect.

Rage (SoCal)
11-17-2005, 01:16 PM
I want to try it just for the cramping.lol. I want to see if I eat enough potassium, sodium, and water to combat this side effect.

Well I supplemented with potassium and sodium but now that I look back I should have dropped the supplements and ate more bananas and had more sodium in my diet, this might have been more effecient for it. Then again, I could have supplemented more patassium than I did. But ummmm it really isn't glorious at all, don't try it for the cramping, LOL! *slap*

krustster
11-17-2005, 01:43 PM
Lolol, yes the cramps hurt a lot more than I thought they would. They only lasted me a couple of days but it was hell. :cool:

The Godfatha
11-17-2005, 02:12 PM
It's an old FAQ i did before we realise the cramping were not isolated cases. I'll get round to redoing it eventually.
I rhought it maybe beacuse it carried on referring to alpha testers' observations and also saying that you should experiment with high doeses if you want to.

I just thought maybe you had a new or different solution to hte cramping so was interested.

user34566548717114
11-17-2005, 02:15 PM
looks like a very intresting product....

being a biochem nerd and all, can anyone hook me up with a link to the studies, I might be using this badboy on my next cut...

whats everyones thoughts of stacking this with:
EC + sesithin??

CanadaBBOY
11-17-2005, 03:19 PM
Yeah, if you like.

With the EC - go easy on the caffeine because it is a diuretic, and while using MP you want to try and maintain as much cellular hydration as possible to offset the cramping so you can stay on the product for a decent length of time.

Has anyone had any luck using potassium and taurine as well as a high water intake to combat the cramps?

RB12
11-17-2005, 03:22 PM
Lolol, yes the cramps hurt a lot more than I thought they would. They only lasted me a couple of days but it was hell. :cool:

krustster- I tuned into your log late and have not had time to read a lot of things in there, but was there a specific thing you did to rectify the cramps or did they just end up going away after a few days?

Robboe
11-17-2005, 04:50 PM
I rhought it maybe beacuse it carried on referring to alpha testers' observations and also saying that you should experiment with high doeses if you want to.

I just thought maybe you had a new or different solution to hte cramping so was interested.

There is a solution a lot of utilising to pretty much alleviate the cramping completely - myself included. Additional potassium at least twice per day (300-500mg) and magnesium in the evening (again, 300-500mg).

Regular high carbs days help stave off cramping for several days also, but should really be part of your regime anyhoo.

I've been doing this for 4 weeks now and at worst, the cramping has been a mild annoyance in my calves or the lower tendon end of my biceps. I've had the cramps from MP REALLY bad before, and this has been an absolute cake-walk in comparison. Still getting all the fat loss benefits and yet holding water like a pig, so it'll be cool to see the effect after a week when i come off it.

Robboe
11-17-2005, 04:55 PM
looks like a very intresting product....

being a biochem nerd and all, can anyone hook me up with a link to the studies, I might be using this badboy on my next cut...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=PubMed&cmd=search&term=Tetradecylthioacetic+acid

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=PubMed&cmd=search&term=3-thia



whats everyones thoughts of stacking this with:
EC + sesithin??

Go easy on the caffiene (you don't want cellular dehydration) and maybe half dose the sesathin or the MP.

Robboe
11-17-2005, 04:57 PM
Has anyone had any luck using potassium and taurine as well as a high water intake to combat the cramps?

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=7746500&postcount=60

:)

user34566548717114
11-17-2005, 08:47 PM
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=PubMed&cmd=search&term=Tetradecylthioacetic+acid

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=PubMed&cmd=search&term=3-thia



Go easy on the caffiene (you don't want cellular dehydration) and maybe half dose the sesathin or the MP.


thanx alot man, good heads up too

Robboe
11-18-2005, 02:58 AM
No problem. :)

krustster
11-21-2005, 11:54 AM
krustster- I tuned into your log late and have not had time to read a lot of things in there, but was there a specific thing you did to rectify the cramps or did they just end up going away after a few days?

I took taurine and tons of potassium and they gradually went away.

RB12
11-21-2005, 11:56 AM
I took taurine and tons of potassium and they gradually went away.

Ok, great, thanks for the info.

Robboe
11-21-2005, 11:58 AM
I am now onto my 5th week of MP and the cramping hasn't surfaced at all. At least certainly not to the degree where it is uncomfortable, nevermind painful (and i've had it bad).

I bless rehydration salts for this.

lostdaytomorrow
11-21-2005, 12:01 PM
I am now onto my 5th week of MP and the cramping hasn't surfaced at all. At least certainly not to the degree where it is uncomfortable, nevermind painful (and i've had it bad).

I bless rehydration salts for this.
What are rehydration salts and where do I get them... After typing this I realized I need to google this, then search on numerous boards... But I'd also love to hear your answer Robboe, because you are a badass. :D

-Chronic

jkeithc82
11-21-2005, 12:03 PM
What are rehydration salts and where do I get them... After typing this I realized I need to google this, then search
-Chronic

You're lucky, I had my finger on the pic trigger. :D

Robboe
11-21-2005, 12:05 PM
What are rehydration salts and where do I get them... After typing this I realized I need to google this, then search on numerous boards... But I'd also love to hear your answer Robboe, because you are a badass. :D

-Chronic

Haha.

I actually use post-diahhera rehydration salts. They consist mostly of potassium and sodium, taste god-awful, but do the trick. I got some 300mg magnesium tabs to compliment the salts.

Potassium and magnesium tabs would work great though.

lostdaytomorrow
11-21-2005, 12:09 PM
Haha.

I actually use post-diahhera rehydration salts. They consist mostly of potassium and sodium, taste god-awful, but do the trick. I got some 300mg magnesium tabs to compliment the salts.

Potassium and magnesium tabs would work great though.
Are these availible on the net for purchase somewhere? The salts.

Robboe
11-22-2005, 03:33 AM
Are these availible on the net for purchase somewhere? The salts.

Go to the vitamin/health section of your local supermarket, or go to a chemist. They're dirt cheap.

vegHead
12-29-2005, 11:57 AM
sorry to bump an old thread just got a question. Is it detrimental to take the MP around the time you lift like? just wondering if like sesathin you shouldnt take it within one hour before or after, its a dumb question jsut curious. Also if im gonna take 5grams of taurine a day and 500 mg of potassium should I spread out the doses of taurine? I will be spreading the K. Anyway thanks

Mister_A
12-29-2005, 12:14 PM
sorry to bump an old thread just got a question. Is it detrimental to take the MP around the time you lift like? just wondering if like sesathin you shouldnt take it within one hour before or after, its a dumb question jsut curious. Also if im gonna take 5grams of taurine a day and 500 mg of potassium should I spread out the doses of taurine? I will be spreading the K. Anyway thanks
Definately not a stupid question.
I'd like to know also for future reference.

pumpedgator
12-29-2005, 12:42 PM
Id like to know as well, I just ordered a bottle of MP a couple of days ago....it should be arriving soon.

EC+MP+Sesathin for 30 days....

uhockey
12-29-2005, 12:53 PM
sorry to bump an old thread just got a question. Is it detrimental to take the MP around the time you lift like? just wondering if like sesathin you shouldnt take it within one hour before or after, its a dumb question jsut curious. Also if im gonna take 5grams of taurine a day and 500 mg of potassium should I spread out the doses of taurine? I will be spreading the K. Anyway thanks

Builds up in the cell wall, thus timing is less important than actual dose.
Spread out the doses of both taurine and potassium if possible.
Drink plenty of water. :)

vegHead
12-29-2005, 12:54 PM
Builds up in the cell wall, thus timing is less important than actual dose.
Spread out the doses of both taurine and potassium if possible.
Drink plenty of water. :)
Oh ok thank you very much. starting next week thinking ill keep a log due to having too much spare time on my hands during break.

uhockey
12-29-2005, 12:57 PM
Oh ok thank you very much. starting next week thinking ill keep a log due to having too much spare time on my hands during break.

That'd be stellar. just hook me up with a link if you decide to so I can subscribe and field questions. Not enough DS logs going right now, it bores me. :)

vegHead
12-29-2005, 01:06 PM
That'd be stellar. just hook me up with a link if you decide to so I can subscribe and field questions. Not enough DS logs going right now, it bores me. :)
I definetly will and your input will be really appreciated.

Robboe
12-29-2005, 03:33 PM
Builds up in the cell wall, thus timing is less important than actual dose.

^^ What Mike said.

But the PPAR activation can inhibit certain anabolic pathways i'm told (a la sesamin) and that doesn't need cell build-up to occur, so give it at least an hour or more around training times.

SoCool
01-03-2006, 12:22 AM
So my MP should be here by now but it's not. Sometimes you can beat BB.com prices but nobody gets my stuff here quicker. Anyway, I got a bunch of potassium and magnesium for the sides,
How much of each daily should I be trying to get?
Also, are there any potential problems with MP+Y/C?
MP+NHA?
MP+NHA+Y/C (I know thats a lot at once)?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Robboe
01-03-2006, 03:09 AM
So my MP should be here by now but it's not. Sometimes you can beat BB.com prices but nobody gets my stuff here quicker. Anyway, I got a bunch of potassium and magnesium for the sides,
How much of each daily should I be trying to get?
Also, are there any potential problems with MP+Y/C?
MP+NHA?
MP+NHA+Y/C (I know thats a lot at once)?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Ideally, around 300-500mg potassium twice daily and 300-500magnesium in the evening.

By Y/C does you mean yohimbine/caffiene? If so, there are no immediate health concerns that jump out with the above combinations.

uhockey
01-03-2006, 04:41 AM
Ideally, around 300-500mg potassium twice daily and 300-500magnesium in the evening.

By Y/C does you mean yohimbine/caffiene? If so, there are no immediate health concerns that jump out with the above combinations.

Other than caffeine diuresis possibly exaccerbating cramps......
Stay hydrated.

Twin Peak
01-03-2006, 05:22 AM
Whats the point of an MP + NHA Stack + Y/C stack?

I mean, what's the goal? Cutting I assume, with the NHA Stack to support muscle retention?

How long with you stay on this for? I'd love to see the results. I have been waiting to see Activate used with a full blown cut, I think its performance will be stellar.

SoCool
01-03-2006, 09:01 AM
It would be for cutting, I'm a fat slob :). It wouldn't be the true NHA stack unfortunately. I only have about a weeks worth of Activate left, I had been stacking it with Redacid and really liked the results, hard to say what the activate did though. My ghetto NHA stack would be mostly ATD with Twinlab Andro nitrate fuel. I got the fuel for like 12$, 2 bottles will last a month. I'll probably run it all together. And yes Y/C meaning yohimbe and caffine.

Khryz
01-12-2006, 03:11 PM
So basically when taking Melting Point, you hold water but burn fat at the same time, so that you stay at the same weight? Water weight looks even worse than fat so while you're taking this you wouldn't look anymore lean than before? It's only after you stop taking MP that you see all the results? I'm confused on what to expect and the science behind how TTA works ..

Robboe
01-12-2006, 04:03 PM
So basically when taking Melting Point, you hold water but burn fat at the same time, so that you stay at the same weight? Water weight looks even worse than fat so while you're taking this you wouldn't look anymore lean than before? It's only after you stop taking MP that you see all the results? I'm confused on what to expect and the science behind how TTA works ..

You won't stay the same weight throughout the entire phase.

For exmaple's sake, lets say you start on MP and drop some fat but add the same weight in water retention.

You drop some more fat, but you still can't see it properly due to the retention, but your weight goes down a bit. This cycle continues until you cease use of the product. After a week or two, the ater subsides and you're left looking leaner than you were.

Khryz
01-12-2006, 04:57 PM
Can anybody post any links to someone's progress while using MP so I can see some feedback? I'm gonna search now but I was just wondering if anyone knew of any threads off-hand. Thanks.

Mister_A
01-12-2006, 05:10 PM
Can anybody post any links to someone's progress while using MP so I can see some feedback? I'm gonna search now but I was just wondering if anyone knew of any threads off-hand. Thanks.
If you search. You will find.

Khryz
01-12-2006, 05:58 PM
Been searching for hours but all I find is those that use the product for a few weeks then stop. Is there anyone that went from around 17-20% BF down to 8-10% after 3-4 months using MP? It's hard to tell of any noticable fat-loss differences within 4 weeks.

uhockey
01-12-2006, 06:11 PM
It's hard to tell of any noticable fat-loss differences within 4 weeks.

You're quite wrong. Sorry.

Steve_W
01-12-2006, 06:20 PM
I used MP for lean bulking purposes for ~2 weeks, and I must say, at 3 caps per day it is awesome. Not to mention stellar for damage control over the holidays are higher dosing. Unfortunately I was hit pretty hard with the cramping (calves, glutes, base of biceps, traps, tris) and it was becoming pretty much almost full body, I was having difficulty getting to sleep. I'm going to run a round 2 and will keep a log this time, but before I start I will have all the necessary precautions to take care of the cramping. The ****ty diet during that time probably didn't really help either, but it was becoming pretty much unbearable.

Khryz
01-12-2006, 06:47 PM
That's what I feared. When I cut I'm going to be continuing my 5x5 strength training routine and I can't afford to be sore all over my body more than normal which will compromise my training, let alone the ability to do cardio as well.

Steve_W
01-12-2006, 08:41 PM
That's what I feared. When I cut I'm going to be continuing my 5x5 strength training routine and I can't afford to be sore all over my body more than normal which will compromise my training, let alone the ability to do cardio as well.

It didn't effect my training much at all, just at other times. I was also slightly irresponsible with usage (not good diet, and a couple of other factors.) Supplement with K and Mg as Robboe mentioned earlier, drink plenty of water, make sure you include a high carb day as you should when you are dieting and you should not be hindered.

Khryz
01-12-2006, 08:46 PM
Did I say 4 weeks? Oops, sorry. No I'm going to be giving myself about 3 months for that.

slickwinna2
01-16-2006, 03:27 PM
i'm allergic to pennicilan and melting point contains sulfur. ive been taking it for 3 or 4 days and my leg broke out into sore red large bumps. I went to the doctor and he said it could be an allergic reaction. Could this be an allergic reaction to melting point?

thanks in advance

RepubCarrier
01-16-2006, 04:19 PM
(Q) Is there a particular “ideal” body fat % to use Melting Point™ at?

Yes - if you are above 15% body fat, or below 15% body fat, Melting Point™ is ideal. Designer Supplements – Ever the comedians…


HEY ROBBOE WHAT IF I'M EXACTLY 15% BODYFAT... CAN I USE MELTING POINT?

uhockey
01-16-2006, 04:22 PM
HEY ROBBOE WHAT IF I'M EXACTLY 15% BODYFAT... CAN I USE MELTING POINT?

Rob told me to get this one.

Yes.

Madevilz
01-16-2006, 04:26 PM
Rob told me to get this one.

Yes.

I demande scientific studies backing this up! :eek:

Robboe
01-17-2006, 04:48 AM
i'm allergic to pennicilan and melting point contains sulfur. ive been taking it for 3 or 4 days and my leg broke out into sore red large bumps. I went to the doctor and he said it could be an allergic reaction. Could this be an allergic reaction to melting point?

thanks in advance

Is the doctor running any tests to determine? Is the rash anywhere else?

I dunno much about penicillin. Is it sulphur-based?

We've several people with sulphur allergies use MP without any ill-effect, so if this is a first i'll be quite suprised.

uhockey
01-17-2006, 10:01 AM
Is the doctor running any tests to determine? Is the rash anywhere else?

I dunno much about penicillin. Is it sulphur-based?

We've several people with sulphur allergies use MP without any ill-effect, so if this is a first i'll be quite suprised.

This, ladies and gents, is why Rob didn't go to medical school. :)

Robboe
01-17-2006, 10:02 AM
This, ladies and gents, is why Rob didn't go to medical school. :)

Pretty much.

I'm not gonna lie, i know eff-all about it.

uhockey
01-17-2006, 10:22 AM
Pretty much.

I'm not gonna lie, i know eff-all about it.

:) There is no cross allergies between penicillins and sulfa drugs (such as Bactrim)

If the user is indeed having a reaction to MP, it has ZERO to do with his pen allergy.

Robboe
01-17-2006, 10:25 AM
Pfft...Show off.

slickwinna2
01-17-2006, 10:59 AM
maybe im allergic to losing weight :(
i was feeling so good at the gym this week to. i started taking whey, mp and wb.

would mp interact in any way with heavy drinking? just a question, hehe

thanks

uhockey
01-17-2006, 03:07 PM
maybe im allergic to losing weight :(
i was feeling so good at the gym this week to. i started taking whey, mp and wb.

would mp interact in any way with heavy drinking? just a question, hehe

thanks

Being 18 years old will interact with heavy drinking. Don't.

Twin Peak
01-17-2006, 06:54 PM
Being 18 years old will interact with heavy drinking. Don't.

Classic Mike.

lynxlea
02-13-2006, 03:23 PM
can i stack melting point with lipo6?

since i cannot import any thing of e/c/y to my country

Younglifter16
02-13-2006, 03:31 PM
You're quite wrong. Sorry.

you tell him boy

uhockey
02-13-2006, 03:40 PM
can i stack melting point with lipo6?

since i cannot import any thing of e/c/y to my country

Lipo6 contains Y.
Why not try Basic Cuts or Scorch plus Melting Point? :)

40-Yard Dash_2
02-13-2006, 05:32 PM
Lipo6 contains Y.
Why not try Basic Cuts or Scorch plus Melting Point? :)
I agree with Basic Cuts and Scorch. I'm gonna throw AMP in there too, because it is also one that I like. :)

Mister_A
02-13-2006, 05:45 PM
Is there some effect on energy when MP is taken with BC?

I've had great energy all day from 2MP/2BC @ 4:45a.m. and 2MP/2BC @ 12:00p.m.

It's seriously comparable to 3 StimX without the dry mouth.

40-Yard Dash_2
02-13-2006, 05:51 PM
Is there some effect on energy when MP is taken with BC?

I've had great energy all day from 2MP/2BC @ 4:45a.m. and 2MP/2BC @ 12:00p.m.

It's seriously comparable to 3 StimX without the dry mouth.
Do you mean a negative effect? If so, nothing I've heard of. I'm glad that your really enjoying Basic Cuts, though. :)

Mister_A
02-13-2006, 05:53 PM
Do you mean a negative effect? If so, nothing I've heard of. I'm glad that your really enjoying Basic Cuts, though. :)
No I mean Positive effect :D

Like more than normal energy just for Basic Cuts.

I've gone through 2+ bottles of Basic Cuts in the past and never experienced energy like this from just 2 doses of BC.

uhockey
02-13-2006, 06:21 PM
No I mean Positive effect :D

Like more than normal energy just for Basic Cuts.

I've gone through 2+ bottles of Basic Cuts in the past and never experienced energy like this from just 2 doses of BC.

None that I've heard of.

Mister_A
02-13-2006, 06:28 PM
None that I've heard of.
Well you just heard now I guess ;)

lynxlea
02-16-2006, 01:27 AM
Lipo6 contains Y.
Why not try Basic Cuts or Scorch plus Melting Point? :)

i will take you advise, but may you explain a little further
why Y is not good

The Godfatha
02-16-2006, 04:19 PM
i will take you advise, but may you explain a little further
why Y is not good
You said you can't import anything containing yohimbine and Lipo 6 contains it

Oz Enhanced
02-19-2006, 09:22 PM
hang on... so i should take 3 caps am and then 3 caps pm?

uhockey
02-20-2006, 03:20 AM
hang on... so i should take 3 caps am and then 3 caps pm?

I'd go 2x2x2, but 3x2 is fine as well.

Khryz
02-27-2006, 01:03 PM
Rob and uhockey,

I just ordered some MP. I also ordered dandelion root and some potassium pills, and I'm going to be picking up some magnesium pills from GNC too soon to help with the water retension and cramping.

I was just wondering if you could give me a small breakdown of approximately how much dosage of each of the 3 accessory supplements I listed would be enough to off-set the cramping/water retension per 1 pill of your MP.

For example, to off-set any water rentention/cramping - 100 mg of magnesium per 1 pill of MP; 99mg of potassium per 1 pill of MP; 250mg of dandelion per 1 pill of MP (just guessing).

If you could do this I would really appreciate it. It doesn't have to be exact, just ball-park. The reason I ask is because I'm not sure how many pills I'm going to take. I'm not looking to get into crazy contest-prep shape, just amounts that are still safe, healthy, and like I said, reverse any water retension or cramping (well, maybe a LIL more than normal =D). On a site note, I'm on a timed carb (low-carb) diet with small carb up days on the weekends if that makes any differences.

Thanks!

- Chris.

uhockey
02-27-2006, 03:36 PM
Rob and uhockey,

I just ordered some MP. I also ordered dandelion root and some potassium pills, and I'm going to be picking up some magnesium pills from GNC too soon to help with the water retension and cramping.

I was just wondering if you could give me a small breakdown of approximately how much dosage of each of the 3 accessory supplements I listed would be enough to off-set the cramping/water retension per 1 pill of your MP.

For example, to off-set any water rentention/cramping - 100 mg of magnesium per 1 pill of MP; 99mg of potassium per 1 pill of MP; 250mg of dandelion per 1 pill of MP (just guessing).

If you could do this I would really appreciate it. It doesn't have to be exact, just ball-park. The reason I ask is because I'm not sure how many pills I'm going to take. I'm not looking to get into crazy contest-prep shape, just amounts that are still safe, healthy, and like I said, reverse any water retension or cramping (well, maybe a LIL more than normal =D). On a site note, I'm on a timed carb (low-carb) diet with small carb up days on the weekends if that makes any differences.

Thanks!

- Chris.

Diet sounds good. I'm not really sure how good of a diuretic dandelion is, but I'd avoid it, your body is holding that water for a reason and urinating it all off is not going to make cramping fun.

As for the potassium, I think 99mg 5x daily is plenty and with the Mg I'd suggest 500mg pre-bed.

The timed/low carb diet seems very efficacious with MP, but be warned that on really low carb days leathargy could be a problem.

Armor For Sleep
02-27-2006, 03:45 PM
Hey uhockey,

Just wondering why you didn't answer the question about yohimbe being taken with melting point. Is there some specific reason why it's a bad reason? I was looking into taking HEAT with my current cycle of melting point. Thanks.

uhockey
02-27-2006, 03:56 PM
Hey uhockey,

Just wondering why you didn't answer the question about yohimbe being taken with melting point. Is there some specific reason why it's a bad reason? I was looking into taking HEAT with my current cycle of melting point. Thanks.

Because I personally do not believe Yohimbine is safe for human consumption. IMO, it is a worse choice than Ephedrine. Efficacious, sure. Safe, no. Thus I do not recommend it.

It's not a matter of taking it with MP, it's a matter of taking it.

Armor For Sleep
02-27-2006, 03:59 PM
Cool....thanks for the prompt reply....I was just wondering. Basic Cuts seems like a better alternative anyways. If you don't mind commenting, how do you feel about topical yohimbe formulas like lipoderm ultra....any safer?

sorry to hijack....getting back to the topic at hand, my melting point cycle is going very well.

uhockey
02-27-2006, 04:15 PM
Cool....thanks for the prompt reply....I was just wondering. Basic Cuts seems like a better alternative anyways. If you don't mind commenting, how do you feel about topical yohimbe formulas like lipoderm ultra....any safer?

sorry to hijack....getting back to the topic at hand, my melting point cycle is going very well.

Topical Y is much safer. Lipoderm Ultra is a sold product.

Glad you're enjoying MP. :)

Khryz
02-27-2006, 05:52 PM
Diet sounds good. I'm not really sure how good of a diuretic dandelion is, but I'd avoid it, your body is holding that water for a reason and urinating it all off is not going to make cramping fun.

As for the potassium, I think 99mg 5x daily is plenty and with the Mg I'd suggest 500mg pre-bed.

The timed/low carb diet seems very efficacious with MP, but be warned that on really low carb days leathargy could be a problem.

Okay, so you say my body is holding water for a reason. What reason is that? And so you're saying that decreasing the water retention will increase cramping, but isn't supplementing with potassium going to decrease the retention?

Do you think the dandelion root will be good to use after the completion of the cycle to accelerate the reduction of the water weight, or is even that period a crucial part in Melting Point burning more fat?

I hate to sound pathetic but spring break for me is in 2 weeks and I'm going to Florida and I would like to remain lean while taking MP but if taking dandelion to off-set the retention is wrong then I guess I'll just wait until after spring break?

And btw my stats are 5'8, 180 pounds @ 14% BF if that changes anything with your dosage recomendations.

Oz Enhanced
02-27-2006, 06:04 PM
i started melting point yesterday
i still have some sesathin and man scorch left over from last cycle
should i take any of these with it? or take it afterwards?
thanks

binky
02-27-2006, 06:22 PM
IMO, it is a worse choice than Ephedrine.Could you elaborate on this? I think I remember reading something about ephedrine possibly damaging your heart in the long run.

Thanks a lot.

40-Yard Dash_2
02-27-2006, 06:27 PM
i started melting point yesterday
i still have some sesathin and man scorch left over from last cycle
should i take any of these with it? or take it afterwards?
thanks
If you combine the Sesathin, you should probably just go with a half dose of it, and definitely drink plenty of water and supplement with potassium and magnesium. Depending on how you react, you may also need to drop the MP dose to 4 caps, but that just depends. I don't see anything wrong with taking Scorch.

Khryz
02-27-2006, 09:51 PM
So basically what I'm trying to ask is if I take 4 caps a day + potassium and magnesium, lots of water, cardio, on a timed carb diet (key point I'm assuming since carbs are mostly responsible for bringing in water), would I really have a problem?

Sorry if I'm starting to sound annoying. Just don't want to risk taking it and then looking bloated or worse than I do now.

Phosphate bond
02-27-2006, 10:02 PM
I just wonder if some of the thermogenic and uncoupling of oxidative phosphorylation is related to bicarbonate inhibiting some of the H+ gradient being produced in the mitochondria?

Without that H+ gradient outside the mitochondria ATP formation will not be as efficient.

I'm sure its more complicated than that, just curious if anyone got a before and after chem pannel?

I'm pretty interested in this stuff.

uhockey
02-28-2006, 02:42 AM
I just wonder if some of the thermogenic and uncoupling of oxidative phosphorylation is related to bicarbonate inhibiting some of the H+ gradient being produced in the mitochondria?

Without that H+ gradient outside the mitochondria ATP formation will not be as efficient.

I'm sure its more complicated than that, just curious if anyone got a before and after chem pannel?

I'm pretty interested in this stuff.

It's a fatty acid. We know your feelings on such things. I'll look into blood work, but am uncertain as to whether or not it was done in terms of chemistry. Your theory on the base effects on the ETC is intriguing.

uhockey
02-28-2006, 02:44 AM
So basically what I'm trying to ask is if I take 4 caps a day + potassium and magnesium, lots of water, cardio, on a timed carb diet (key point I'm assuming since carbs are mostly responsible for bringing in water), would I really have a problem?

Sorry if I'm starting to sound annoying. Just don't want to risk taking it and then looking bloated or worse than I do now.

That sounds fine.

The Potassium is for the cramping, NOT for the water retention. IMO, the K causes addative water retention. Since you're low dosing it you could try going without K/Mg and begin at the first signs of cramping.

Try the dandelion, I've honestly not seen anyone else try it.

Phosphate bond
02-28-2006, 03:57 AM
It's a fatty acid. We know your feelings on such things. I'll look into blood work, but am uncertain as to whether or not it was done in terms of chemistry. Your theory on the base effects on the ETC is intriguing.

Yeah if look up how that ATPase works you can see how bicarbonate canceling out some of that H+ would interfer with ATP formation. I'm guessing thats one way omega 6s work as a thermogenic. Though activation of arachidonic acid through beta 2 receptors during exercise probably increases energy production by correcting acid/base changes while giving water and CO2 in the process. However, this only applies to heavy fish oil that results in what effectively turns into beta blockade and only applies to AA released during exercise.

This is too simplistic to account for TTAs complete mechanism. Its just what you are describing with the K+ depletion and water retention almost sounds like what I'd expect with something that activated the sympathetic nervous system and angiotensin II.

I'll be picking some of this up nonetheless at the Arnold. Trust me these days I need it. Hopefully you have a sale on it?

uhockey
02-28-2006, 06:49 AM
I'll be picking some of this up nonetheless at the Arnold. Trust me these days I need it. Hopefully you have a sale on it?

Certainly. :) Although I bet you could swing a deal with someone for some Xfactor if Bill is feeling generous.

Khryz
03-01-2006, 05:33 AM
Since you're low dosing it you could try going without K/Mg and begin at the first signs of cramping.

Try the dandelion, I've honestly not seen anyone else try it.

Low dosing? I thought 4 was the recommended max dosage and that everyone that was going over 4 were megadosing?

Also, you said not to take a diuretic because the body is holding water for a reason so simply pissing it out to try and stay lean isn't effective.

And lastly, basically what I'm trying to determine is if people who start to take MP look more bloated/visually fatter (even though it's just water) once they start and while on it than they did before they started taking it. Like you said, weight may go down or stay the same - but how do you look (what changes), especially within the first 2 weeks or so?

I'm sorry if I'm starting to sound annoying with all my questions.

40-Yard Dash_2
03-01-2006, 05:54 AM
Low dosing? I thought 4 was the recommended max dosage and that everyone that was going over 4 were megadosing?

Also, you said not to take a diuretic because the body is holding water for a reason so simply pissing it out to try and stay lean isn't effective.

And lastly, basically what I'm trying to determine is if people who start to take MP look more bloated/visually fatter (even though it's just water) once they start and while on it than they did before they started taking it. Like you said, weight may go down or stay the same - but how do you look (what changes), especially within the first 2 weeks or so?

I'm sorry if I'm starting to sound annoying with all my questions.

4-6 caps a day is the recommended dosing, but some decide to go with 4 caps a day. It just depends on how you respond to the MP. If you take a diuretic on MP, you run the risk of throwing your electrolyte and acid base balance out of wack, which would cause a lot more cramping problems for you. Not good. Just supplement with the 500mg of potassium and magnesium and you'll be fine. Of course, drink plenty of water too. The water retention is different with all people. Some tend to "bloat" more than others, but rest assure, it is just water weight, so once you've been off of MP it will dissipate. I promise.:) Also, the rate at which you should the water weight will vary from person to person. Some lose it in 7 days, whereas some it may take almost a couple of weeks. Once MP begins to "kick in" so to speak, you will definitely look leaner in the morning. It just really depends on how much water you hold, but you may be able to actually tell throughout the day also.

Khryz
03-01-2006, 07:23 AM
Thanks for the reply. I'm not worried about the water weight going away, I really don't care much for that. It's just spring break is in 2 weeks and I'll be in FL on the beaches, outside, etc. Since I'm relatively lean now and am just going to start MP to help finish the job, I don't want to immediately start taking it 1 week before I go down there and find that I put on water weight and no longer look lean (in the short term). Like, if you're 180 @ 15% BF, and start taking MP - will you be like 183-184 @ 16% (visually) while on it or will you atleast stay the same visually? Lol.

Typical teenage question I know...

Khryz
03-02-2006, 03:44 PM
I just got my bottle of MP in the mail today and didn't notice beforehand that MP contained sulfur. My mom is highly allergic to sulfur and my dad I think can't take some sulfur-based anti-biotics. I'm hesitant to take a pill of MP with fear if getting a bad allergic reaction, even though I don't know if I'm allergic to it - but I have the same blood type as my mom so this sucks.

Can't take stimulants cuz I'm sensitive, can't take Sesamin cuz I'm allergic to sesame oil, and might not be able to take this for I could be allergic to sulfur. God does not want me to get ripped.

40-Yard Dash_2
03-02-2006, 04:12 PM
Where do you see Sulfur on the ingredient list?

Khryz
03-02-2006, 05:28 PM
It's not in the ingredients but it's in the Allergy Warning Info: Says "This product contains sulfur including fatty acids that are modified by sulfur."

I'm curious how many people this affected who are allergic to sulfur and approx how much of it is in it compared to common anti-biotics.

Khryz
03-02-2006, 06:55 PM
My mistake - my mom got it wrong and she is actually allergic to SULFA anti-biotic medications which, from what I've researched, has no relation at all to sulfur.

40-Yard Dash_2
03-02-2006, 07:00 PM
My mistake - my mom got it wrong and she is actually allergic to SULFA anti-biotic medications which, from what I've researched, has no relation at all to sulfur.
So are you starting the MP tomorrow?

Khryz
03-02-2006, 07:05 PM
I'm going to take 1 pill tonight just to make sure.

One question though, I read it is impossible to be allergic to sulfur since it's involved in body functions like potassium, and represents 0.25% of our total bodyweight. So if it's impossible to be allergic to it, then why is it on the label?

40-Yard Dash_2
03-02-2006, 07:11 PM
I'm going to take 1 pill tonight just to make sure.

One question though, I read it is impossible to be allergic to sulfur since it's involved in body functions like potassium, and represents 0.25% of our total bodyweight. So if it's impossible to be allergic to it, then why is it on the label?
LOL! The amino acids cysteine and methionine contain sulfur, as do all polypeptides, proteins, and enzymes which contain these amino acids. Disulfide bridges or bonds between polypeptides are very important in protein assembly and structure, for example, the milk you drink.

Khryz
03-02-2006, 07:13 PM
So since I have been taking ON 100% Whey Protein for like a year, which has those amino acids - does that prove that I'm not allergic?

Lol, sorry if I'm asking so many questions lately but I was hospitalized from an anaphylactic reaction to brazil nuts and sesame oil and would rather not have to go through all that again. Thanks for all your help btw.

40-Yard Dash_2
03-02-2006, 07:14 PM
So since I have been taking ON 100% Whey Protein for like a year, which has those amino acids - does that prove that I'm not allergic?

Lol, sorry if I'm asking so many questions lately but I was hospitalized from an anaphylactic reaction to brazil nuts and sesame oil and would rather not have to go through all that again. Thanks for all your help btw.
Yes, Sulfur is present in the side chains of those two amino acids. No problem.

40-Yard Dash_2
03-02-2006, 07:43 PM
So since I have been taking ON 100% Whey Protein for like a year, which has those amino acids - does that prove that I'm not allergic?

Lol, sorry if I'm asking so many questions lately but I was hospitalized from an anaphylactic reaction to brazil nuts and sesame oil and would rather not have to go through all that again. Thanks for all your help btw.
So you gonna be ready to roll?

Khryz
03-02-2006, 08:04 PM
I should be right? If that proves that I'm not allergic to sulfur being that I take Whey everyday, which have sulfur in some of the AA's, then I should have nothing to worry about. Also, I don't know but all like the shower shampoos and face washes that I take have some form of sulfur in it, like Lauryl/Laurth Sulfate. Are there any other foods that sulfur is in that I would know if I'm allergic?

40-Yard Dash_2
03-02-2006, 08:10 PM
I should be right? If that proves that I'm not allergic to sulfur being that I take Whey everyday, which have sulfur in some of the AA's, then I should have nothing to worry about. Also, I don't know but all like the shower shampoos and face washes that I take have some form of sulfur in it, like Lauryl/Laurth Sulfate. Are there any other foods that sulfur is in that I would know if I'm allergic?
Do you drink milk? I understand your concern, but its not like MP's main ingredient is pure Sulfur.

Khryz
03-02-2006, 08:15 PM
Yes. Milk, eggs, cheese, etc.

uhockey
03-05-2006, 02:52 AM
Where do you see Sulfur on the ingredient list?

The warning is beyond my understanding. There is a huge difference between sulfur and sulfonamides. :confused:

Glaive
03-14-2006, 12:49 AM
If one takes ZMA at night, would the Magnesium therein be sufficient or would you still need an additional Magnesium supplement to aid in cramp prevention?

G.W. Hayduke
03-14-2006, 01:44 AM
If one takes ZMA at night, would the Magnesium therein be sufficient or would you still need an additional Magnesium supplement to aid in cramp prevention?
Just make this your excuse to use some bulk Mg-malate. It's good stuff!

uhockey
03-14-2006, 02:48 AM
ZMA was not enough for me. For others it was fine. I'm very sensitive to TTA.

freakie
03-14-2006, 08:50 AM
I just finished up my run of MP. The only additional supplement I added was 300mg of K per day. I experienced none of the side effects that have been reported by others.

uhockey
03-14-2006, 08:52 AM
I just finished up my run of MP. The only additional supplement I added was 300mg of K per day. I experienced none of the side effects that have been reported by others.

How about results in terms of fatloss?

freakie
03-14-2006, 10:55 AM
How about results in terms of fatloss?
I was thinking about posting a review since I didn't do a log.

Actual weight loss was about 6 lbs over 30 days. I did have some water retention (I can tell in my ankles and face especially) so I am going to give it a week or so to see what the final tally is. I can definitely see the losses when I look in the mirror and by the way my clothes fit.

uhockey
03-14-2006, 11:06 AM
Cool. Link me the review if/when ya do it. :)

freakie
03-22-2006, 12:32 PM
Cool. Link me the review if/when ya do it. :)
I still haven't gotten around to the review so I'll let you know here.

The final tally was 16 lbs!

This was accomplished on a diet and exercise plan in which 5 lbs/month is typical for me.

Khryz
03-22-2006, 12:47 PM
I still haven't gotten around to the review so I'll let you know here.

The final tally was 16 lbs!

This was accomplished on a diet and exercise plan in which 5 lbs/month is typical for me.

So you're saying you lost 10 pounds of water weight after the water retention subsided?

freakie
03-22-2006, 01:11 PM
So you're saying you lost 10 pounds of water weight after the water retention subsided?
Give or take.
I "officially" weighed myself after my initial post and my total weight loss was closer to 8 lbs. So about 8 lbs. of water weight.

Nobody really said or noticed that I had lost any weight while I was on it. A week after being off of it I started to get comments that it looked like I had lost weight. My face is usually thin but I had puffy cheeks until the water weight dropped. My face thinning out is probably what caused people to notice that I had lost weight.

Vanilla Thunder
03-22-2006, 03:39 PM
Not really a review but,...

So I hadn't been able to train for about 2-3 months (injury), no cardio either. I gained about 10 lbs from where I know I should be. Last week of Feb. I started training again, and cleaned up my diet. Since then I have been VERY active, AM cardio, occasional workouts, boxing, wrestling etc. Diet has been spot on too.

(Oh yeah, also for the 3 months or so off I took NO stims what so ever. Big deal for me. When I started back training I started the e/c again, only 2x/ day though.)

I figured it would take me 1 month to loose the 10 lbs, because I've done this many times before. I had two bottles of Melting point from when it came out, so I figured I'd run it. At 165 lbs I figured 7-8 /day should do. So for 3 1/2 weeks now I've been taking 7 or 8 / day. Things I've noticed:

- Workouts kinda suck. I have very poor muscular endurance, even for just coming back. I get pretty sore too;

- Cardio is down. Not near what it should be; and

- I have only lost 4 lbs, which is unheard of for almost a month of dieting (esp. coming off a break). I also look very soft. (I'm probably around 11% or so)

So... I finish up this Sunday with the MP. After a week or two off I need to see how much water weight I lose. It had better be about 7 lbs because I'm not digging how soft I look. I guess this is all to be expected, it has been shocking though to be so strict and see no weight changes some weeks. I'll try and remember to post back in 2 weeks or so to see how much water I'm carrying, and if my cardio comes back. I'll reserve my opinion until then.

freakie
03-22-2006, 09:08 PM
- I have only lost 4 lbs, which is unheard of for almost a month of dieting (esp. coming off a break). I also look very soft. (I'm probably around 11% or so)

So... I finish up this Sunday with the MP. After a week or two off I need to see how much water weight I lose. It had better be about 7 lbs because I'm not digging how soft I look. I guess this is all to be expected, it has been shocking though to be so strict and see no weight changes some weeks. I'll try and remember to post back in 2 weeks or so to see how much water I'm carrying, and if my cardio comes back. I'll reserve my opinion until then.
I think you look soft because you are puffy. It is something I noticed as well. I think after you've been off for a week or so your total weight loss will be 10+lbs. The results don't really show themselves until you stop taking it.

I have to say that MP is possibly the best weightloss supplement I've ever used, and I've used a lot.

The Godfatha
03-23-2006, 02:46 PM
Which way does the MP water retention skew bodyfat measurements from calipers?

Thanks

uhockey
03-23-2006, 04:34 PM
Which way does the MP water retention skew bodyfat measurements from calipers?

Thanks

MAkes bf% appear higher, obviously, as you'll be holding more water subQ

Khryz
03-23-2006, 07:10 PM
Are you all sure you see the results after the completion of the cycle? I know because I've been on MP for almost 3 weeks now at 4-6 caps a day w/ Lean Xtreme and Glucophase for the past week and a half and I haven't seen any noticeable body composition changes in that time although the scale keeps dropping. It's kinda worrying me, but I know I'm just going to have to wait it out and see. I'm guessing I just hold a ****-load of water.

Robboe
03-24-2006, 02:28 AM
Are you all sure you see the results after the completion of the cycle? I know because I've been on MP for almost 3 weeks now at 4-6 caps a day w/ Lean Xtreme and Glucophase for the past week and a half and I haven't seen any noticeable body composition changes in that time although the scale keeps dropping. It's kinda worrying me, but I know I'm just going to have to wait it out and see. I'm guessing I just hold a ****-load of water.

Are you just looking for changes from your midsection? (noticing fat loss from your back, legs, face, chest etc?)

The Godfatha
03-24-2006, 09:28 AM
MAkes bf% appear higher, obviously, as you'll be holding more water subQ
Yeah sorry me being very stupid and not thinking that subQ water retention is obviously going to increase skinfold width

(goes and hides in the corner)

uhockey
03-24-2006, 10:48 AM
Yeah sorry me being very stupid and not thinking that subQ water retention is obviously going to increase skinfold width

(goes and hides in the corner)

Haha, sorry 'bout that. :)

Shiv
03-29-2006, 02:07 PM
ive been taking MP for about 2wks now, was taking it for a week before but fell ill so stopped it for a week. ive been taking 8-10 tabs a day and on my 2nd bottle now and yet no cramping what so ever, i have noticed a little bit of weight loss, in the mirror that is, not on the scales, but according to what ive read in the thread a lot more loss shud come once ive finishd the cycle, is that right?

uhockey
03-29-2006, 02:10 PM
That is correct.........I can't believe you've been taking such high doses though.......we say 6 and even that is a pretty large dose.

Shiv
03-29-2006, 02:15 PM
its just because most things dont effect me easily

kdhwtbtwbd
03-29-2006, 04:25 PM
Is cramping/water retention a direct correlation to the fat burning/repartitioning effects of TTA?

For example, if person X were to be on 6 caps a day and had no cramping, would it be safe to say that TTA wasn't effective in his body?

uhockey
03-29-2006, 04:46 PM
Is cramping/water retention a direct correlation to the fat burning/repartitioning effects of TTA?

For example, if person X were to be on 6 caps a day and had no cramping, would it be safe to say that TTA wasn't effective in his body?

Absolutely not. There have been MANY users with no sides but good fat burning efficacy. How they got so lucky, I'm not exactly sure. The fatburning occurs regardless, the cramps are an unfortunate "bonus"

Robboe
03-30-2006, 02:31 AM
I think for myself, i've noticed a correlation with very mild cramping side effects (basically the really bad DOMS) and an acceleration in fat loss.

Its been a few months since i used MP so i can't recall for certain, but in my vague hindsight, i believe this to be the case.

Shiv
03-30-2006, 05:05 AM
would you guys recommend a minimum amount of time to keep using melting point?

uhockey
03-30-2006, 05:07 AM
I'd say a full month at least to deliver on it's full benefits.

40-Yard Dash_2
03-30-2006, 05:09 AM
I'd say a full month at least to deliver on it's full benefits.
Yeah, usually takes a good 7-10 days to fully "kick in."

Shiv
03-30-2006, 05:12 AM
because like when i finish the bottle ill have been taking it for about 6wks i guess

Vanilla Thunder
04-06-2006, 12:03 PM
I'm still pretty bugged. My situation is damn near unexplainable. As mentioned I took 7/day of MP from the last week of February until March 26th, just over a month. I've cut 10 lbs in a month every time I've ever tried. At least 10. I have it down perfectly. Over that month my diet was right on, and cardio / activity was at least as good or better than usual. The ONLY thing different was MP. (I also downed my stims to 2x / day from 3, but the one dose per day does not explain my problem).

Well, on the 26th I weighed myself after the 1 month+ of MP and diet / exercise. Instead of the 10 lbs I'd always lost, I only lost like 4.5. But I was looking soft, and figured I was holding a lot of water. So last Sunday, a week after discontinuing MP I weighed myself again, and had lost NOTHING. This Sunday will have been 2 weeks post MP. I'm going to be out of town this weeked, so I weighed myself after sweating off at least 3 lbs during AM cardio. And...I actually was up .5 lbs. I haven't been weight training much, just boxing / wrestling / JJ, which is a sick workout, but it's not like I'm offsetting fat with new muscle.

Now, I'm not some clueless idiot. I've been doing this for 12 years, and this is unexplainable. Unless my wife is feeding me sugar in my sleep (a lot of it), I have no answer. The only variable is the MP. So not only did I lose 1/2 as much as usual, in the past two weeks, while I've been busting my ass, the scale has not moved at all. I'm normally pretty "whatever" about stuff. But I was EXTREMELY frustrated this morning.

Anyway, that has been my experience. I really haven't followed any logs so I'm not sure if I'm some retard exception, but I'm confident that everything else in my life has been on point.

freakie
04-06-2006, 12:20 PM
I'm still pretty bugged. My situation is damn near unexplainable....
Pretty strange.
I actually dieted for a month prior to taking MP so I would have a baseline to judge from.
The month prior to MP I lost 5 lbs., the month I took it I lost 16 lbs., and now it has almost been another month without MP and I have lost about 4 lbs.- right on par with my usual weightloss.

I'm going to do another 30 days of MP in a couple of weeks for final comparison. Based on the first time taking it there was about a 3 fold increase in weight/fat loss. It will be interesting to see if that remains true the second time around.

Khryz
04-06-2006, 12:48 PM
I've experienced the same thing Vanilla. I haven't really noticed anything too crazy when I added Melting Point, LX, and GXR. I dropped maybe 6-7 pounds so far it's been about 5 weeks on MP and about 3 for the rest. My weight has stalled for the last 3 weeks. I'm banking that I'm holding water too even though I'm on a timed carb diet, with cardio 1-2 times a day. We'll see what happens but best of luck.

Robboe
04-06-2006, 02:15 PM
I'm still pretty bugged. My situation is damn near unexplainable. As mentioned I took 7/day of MP from the last week of February until March 26th, just over a month. I've cut 10 lbs in a month every time I've ever tried. At least 10. I have it down perfectly. Over that month my diet was right on, and cardio / activity was at least as good or better than usual. The ONLY thing different was MP. (I also downed my stims to 2x / day from 3, but the one dose per day does not explain my problem).

Well, on the 26th I weighed myself after the 1 month+ of MP and diet / exercise. Instead of the 10 lbs I'd always lost, I only lost like 4.5. But I was looking soft, and figured I was holding a lot of water. So last Sunday, a week after discontinuing MP I weighed myself again, and had lost NOTHING. This Sunday will have been 2 weeks post MP. I'm going to be out of town this weeked, so I weighed myself after sweating off at least 3 lbs during AM cardio. And...I actually was up .5 lbs. I haven't been weight training much, just boxing / wrestling / JJ, which is a sick workout, but it's not like I'm offsetting fat with new muscle.

Now, I'm not some clueless idiot. I've been doing this for 12 years, and this is unexplainable. Unless my wife is feeding me sugar in my sleep (a lot of it), I have no answer. The only variable is the MP. So not only did I lose 1/2 as much as usual, in the past two weeks, while I've been busting my ass, the scale has not moved at all. I'm normally pretty "whatever" about stuff. But I was EXTREMELY frustrated this morning.

Anyway, that has been my experience. I really haven't followed any logs so I'm not sure if I'm some retard exception, but I'm confident that everything else in my life has been on point.

How are you looking in the mirror? Leaner now? More muscular?

Vanilla Thunder
04-06-2006, 04:12 PM
How are you looking in the mirror? Leaner now? More muscular?

Same, imo. I usually get a good objective sign from my fight shorts (FCF split seam,...good stuff). I have two 32" and two 30". Before I started I was wearing the 30" already (the 32" are for cups / lower body training gear etc. mostly) but it was close. As recent as yesterday they were still a pretty close fit. I've been down to 28" before, although I'm not in that kind of shape right now.

I still feel kind of soft. Having had my diet dialed and with fighting and doing cardio as much as I have, I should be "harder". I realize it's winter and I'm pale, but still.

I'm no carbing it tomorrow, then doing an hour of cardio and an hour in the sauna in the PM. That's my usual protocol for dropping 8-10 lbs in a day (trial weight cutting). I'll be interested to see how much I drop. It's the "most" important since it's my lowest possible depleted weight that is most important to me. Although looking good is up there too...

Khryz
04-06-2006, 04:23 PM
I'm the same. I look the same in the mirror now as I have 3-4 weeks ago, even my roomates say it. I'm not saying it was MP's fault for the stalling, I'm sure it's my diet (TCD; I usually overshoot carb-ups too much which is my problem) and my lack of cardio (college work sucks for time management) but still. I think MP has worked great so far for damage control when I went down to Florida for Spring Break and actually lost 3 pounds in a week eating a mostly high carb diet of breads, pasta, chicken, cereal, milk, etc. That was the last time I lost weight.

So hopefully I can shed another 5-7 pounds in the next 5 weeks with a more strict diet and more cardio, and hopefully when I'm off MP soon the water weight will show some progress. I don't understand how some people say when the water weight subsides they look like they lost 10 pounds of fat in that timeframe, and others that say it didn't make a difference.

Robboe
04-07-2006, 07:39 AM
Same, imo. I usually get a good objective sign from my fight shorts (FCF split seam,...good stuff). I have two 32" and two 30". Before I started I was wearing the 30" already (the 32" are for cups / lower body training gear etc. mostly) but it was close. As recent as yesterday they were still a pretty close fit. I've been down to 28" before, although I'm not in that kind of shape right now.

I still feel kind of soft. Having had my diet dialed and with fighting and doing cardio as much as I have, I should be "harder". I realize it's winter and I'm pale, but still.

I'm no carbing it tomorrow, then doing an hour of cardio and an hour in the sauna in the PM. That's my usual protocol for dropping 8-10 lbs in a day (trial weight cutting). I'll be interested to see how much I drop. It's the "most" important since it's my lowest possible depleted weight that is most important to me. Although looking good is up there too...


So you haven't noticed muscle growth anywhere?

I find MP rockets my insulin sensivity up and i make small gains in mass, even during dieting (i never drop my calories too low).

Vanilla Thunder
04-07-2006, 09:18 AM
I've been weight training once a week, and it's a lighter circuit type workout. BJJ and wrestling is a good workout, but I'm not eating enough to build any muscle. Next week I resume training 3x/ week with weights; heavier.

surfgod777
04-28-2006, 12:14 PM
I am sure this has been answered, but with all these post in this thread and the other MP threads, it's hard to search through them.

My question is: I am starting a stack with MP, BC, and Sesamin next week. I am also going to be taking Fish Oil, Flax, and CLA. How can I stack these during the day for optimal effectiveness? I usally workout at night (around 7pm). Thanks!

The Godfatha
04-28-2006, 12:18 PM
I am sure this has been answered, but with all these post in this thread and the other MP threads, it's hard to search through them.

My question is: I am starting a stack with MP, BC, and Sesamin next week. I am also going to be taking Fish Oil, Flax, and CLA. How can I stack these during the day for optimal effectiveness? I usally workout at night (around 7pm). Thanks!
Well first of all you do know that you should be starting out at half dose of both if using sesamin and melting point to assess tolerance as sesamin potentiates melting point's side effects? Also will you be taking any potassium? As that will be a bare minimum must.

I am going to leave the rest of the dosing to someone a bit more experienced with this specific combo but egenral rule would be that you sohuld be taking sesamin with at leats 10g of fat and you don't want to take Melting Point right before a workout due to possible lethargy while you do want to take the BC about 30mins before workout for an energy boost.

surfgod777
04-28-2006, 12:40 PM
Well first of all you do know that you should be starting out at half dose of both if using sesamin and melting point to assess tolerance as sesamin potentiates melting point's side effects? Also will you be taking any potassium? As that will be a bare minimum must.

I am going to leave the rest of the dosing to someone a bit more experienced with this specific combo but egenral rule would be that you sohuld be taking sesamin with at leats 10g of fat and you don't want to take Melting Point right before a workout due to possible lethargy while you do want to take the BC about 30mins before workout for an energy boost.
Yes, I do plan to take it at about half the suggested dose to start.
Thanks for reminding me about the potassium. I already have some, so now I got to remember to take it.
As far as eating fat with sesamin, I am aware of that. I am finishing up a sesamin/camp stack, and switching over to MP/BC.

Thanks for your help.

Khryz
04-28-2006, 04:16 PM
Update: I guess I'm a non-responder to anything and everything because nothing I've used has ever helped me to burn fat past 13% BF, and nothing I've used has ever made me put on noticable LBM. MP + LX + GXR did nothing for me at all. It's been 2 weeks since I've been off MP and nothing has changed, not even weight. I've taken everything from MP, Green Tea, Creatine, Stimulants, NO, Fish Oils, Flax Oil, TCD Diet, Isocalorie Diet, Carb Cycling, UD2, 5,000+ kcal a day for bulking, etc. Nothing has given me results. Basically how I look now is how I looked after only 1 month of lifting when I started last year and gained 15 pounds in the first month. Since then nothing even though I was on a horrible routine then with no leg days (I know newbie gains), but still. Maybe my stomach doesn't digest anything properly, I was on a lot of anti-biotics as a kid for acne so that might have messed something up. Possible digestive enzyme fix?

Yeah, pretty depressed right now but I'll get it, won't give up.

uhockey
04-29-2006, 03:23 AM
Perhaps it is something about your routine, not your diet or supps, that needs fixing. Intensity in the gym and good sleep are mandatory.

uhockey
04-29-2006, 03:25 AM
I am sure this has been answered, but with all these post in this thread and the other MP threads, it's hard to search through them.

My question is: I am starting a stack with MP, BC, and Sesamin next week. I am also going to be taking Fish Oil, Flax, and CLA. How can I stack these during the day for optimal effectiveness? I usally workout at night (around 7pm). Thanks!

Fish Oil 3-6 caps daily, whenever you want. Flax, skip it. CLA 3-6 caps daily.
Begin MP at 3-4 caps a day, spaced through the day. Begin sesamin at 1-2 caps per day, ideally with breakfast and pre-bed.

BC, before workouts, or when you need good energy. :)

Robboe
04-29-2006, 11:07 AM
Update: I guess I'm a non-responder to anything and everything because nothing I've used has ever helped me to burn fat past 13% BF, and nothing I've used has ever made me put on noticable LBM. MP + LX + GXR did nothing for me at all. It's been 2 weeks since I've been off MP and nothing has changed, not even weight. I've taken everything from MP, Green Tea, Creatine, Stimulants, NO, Fish Oils, Flax Oil, TCD Diet, Isocalorie Diet, Carb Cycling, UD2, 5,000+ kcal a day for bulking, etc. Nothing has given me results. Basically how I look now is how I looked after only 1 month of lifting when I started last year and gained 15 pounds in the first month. Since then nothing even though I was on a horrible routine then with no leg days (I know newbie gains), but still. Maybe my stomach doesn't digest anything properly, I was on a lot of anti-biotics as a kid for acne so that might have messed something up. Possible digestive enzyme fix?

Yeah, pretty depressed right now but I'll get it, won't give up.

I must agree with Mike here - if you're not making progress without supplements, then something is wrong with your diet and/or your training.

Khryz
04-29-2006, 02:52 PM
I must agree with Mike here - if you're not making progress without supplements, then something is wrong with your diet and/or your training.

It's quite possible. I've been researching nutrition & training for about 2 years; so I know WHAT to do and WHY to do something, I guess I'm just a little bit inexperienced in the HOW to set up a proper diet for my goals, or a legit training program. I have all the pieces but I need to connect them.

I'm not saying it's MP's fault for not helping me attain my goals, it's probably something else for I did lose the weight a lot quicker than last year while on this stuff but can't budge past this sticky point in my BF level.

The Godfatha
04-30-2006, 03:59 AM
It's quite possible. I've been researching nutrition & training for about 2 years; so I know WHAT to do and WHY to do something, I guess I'm just a little bit inexperienced in the HOW to set up a proper diet for my goals, or a legit training program. I have all the pieces but I need to connect them.

I'm not saying it's MP's fault for not helping me attain my goals, it's probably something else for I did lose the weight a lot quicker than last year while on this stuff but can't budge past this sticky point in my BF level.
Well your best bet is to start new threads in the nutiriton and exercise forums and get people to look at your current training and diet and see where it is going wrong. If you have been dieting for a prolonged amount of time then it is quite possible that you require a 2 week break from the dieting at maintenance calories. Furthermore if you have been in a deifict for a long time your training volume could be too much or your intensity may not be high enough due to the lack of nutritional support.

40-Yard Dash_2
04-30-2006, 04:04 AM
It's quite possible. I've been researching nutrition & training for about 2 years; so I know WHAT to do and WHY to do something, I guess I'm just a little bit inexperienced in the HOW to set up a proper diet for my goals, or a legit training program. I have all the pieces but I need to connect them.

I'm not saying it's MP's fault for not helping me attain my goals, it's probably something else for I did lose the weight a lot quicker than last year while on this stuff but can't budge past this sticky point in my BF level.
PM me your stats and the diet you were on.

adoniscomplex
05-06-2006, 07:57 AM
i was reading logs about mp and one person mentioned a drop in libido
has anyone else experienced this ?

freakyone
05-06-2006, 08:22 PM
Just got these in a few days ago. After reading the threads i am more confused than ever. I am currently cutting for a beach trip in 5 wks. My diet is solid. Can anyone help me on how to stack these.
Currently 230lbs 16%bf. 28yrs old
Using Micronized creatine
fish oil
Mega Man active.
Is it advised to take creatine with MP? Would this double the water retention?
If you only see results after MP is complete and the excessive water is passed, wouldn't the creatine prevent seeing MP results. Also, when is the best time to take cAMP, in the am before breakfast? For the MP I plan on taking 4MP. 2 at 7am with 1sesamin. 2MP at 4pm with 1 sesamin, workout @ 7:30. 4-6 fish oil throughout the day. What do you think? Sorry for so many questions. Yea, I am new to this great board.

40-Yard Dash_2
05-06-2006, 08:33 PM
Just got these in a few days ago. After reading the threads i am more confused than ever. I am currently cutting for a beach trip in 5 wks. My diet is solid. Can anyone help me on how to stack these.
Currently 230lbs 16%bf. 28yrs old
Using Micronized creatine
fish oil
Mega Man active.
Is it advised to take creatine with MP? Would this double the water retention?
If you only see results after MP is complete and the excessive water is passed, wouldn't the creatine prevent seeing MP results. Also, when is the best time to take cAMP, in the am before breakfast? For the MP I plan on taking 4MP. 2 at 7am with 1sesamin. 2MP at 4pm with 1 sesamin, workout @ 7:30. 4-6 fish oil throughout the day. What do you think? Sorry for so many questions. Yea, I am new to this great board.
First off, be sure to drink plenty of water, and supplement with 500mg of K and Mg. Just split the doses into two separate doses. In terms of MP, just start out with 4 caps a day for the first 7-10 days. If you do not experience any cramping from both MP and Sesamin, then you can bump up the dosage to 6 caps of MP a day, but you probably won't have to. Split your MP doses into 2, with one at breakfast and the other at dinner. For Sesamin, I would start out with 2 caps a day with one cap at breakfast and the other at dinner if you choose. It doesn't really matter when, just make sure to spread them out. I'm not sure about cAMP.

poppinwave1
05-06-2006, 10:09 PM
Mr. Designer Supplements Representative Guru dude, I understand that many healthy dietary fats are very beneficial to your health, including your brain and mood. Can this also be said for Melting Point. My Second Question, will melting point greaten, lessen, or not effect my cognitive abilities, becuase im taking alot of entrance tests that are important. Thirdly, I know this sounds stupid, but seeing that nerve cells ect are also wrapped with fat, I was just wondering the reason why our bodies do not burn, this, I mean Im definitly glad it doesnt, but by what mechanism do our bodies target bad adiopose tissue. I am thinking of stacking fish Oil, Vaporiz, and Melting Point.

uhockey
05-07-2006, 02:14 AM
Mr. Designer Supplements Representative Guru dude, I understand that many healthy dietary fats are very beneficial to your health, including your brain and mood. Can this also be said for Melting Point. My Second Question, will melting point greaten, lessen, or not effect my cognitive abilities, becuase im taking alot of entrance tests that are important. Thirdly, I know this sounds stupid, but seeing that nerve cells ect are also wrapped with fat, I was just wondering the reason why our bodies do not burn, this, I mean Im definitly glad it doesnt, but by what mechanism do our bodies target bad adiopose tissue. I am thinking of stacking fish Oil, Vaporiz, and Melting Point.

Hilarious. Okay. Melting Point is a modified fatty acid, but I am unaware of any acute effects on cognitive ability.

The "fat" around your neurons is myelin and although there is a turnover rate, it is not oxidized in a manner similar to other fats. The human body is quite efficient at maintaining fat stores for necessary tissues.

SeaHawk22
05-11-2006, 01:29 PM
uhockey or any of the DS guys.


I just got in two bottles of melting point and two bottles of sesamin. (Special package pricing).

So anyways I took melting point before during the beta run and didn’t feel too much, but it was my fault my diet was sadly off at the time. Now I want to give it a fair try. So this time when I got the bottles (this is my fault) I didn’t bother assessing my tolerance (since I had taken it before) and I slammed 4 MP and 1 sesamin to frontload. About a half hour goes by or an hour and I go outside to shoot some basketball (by the way when I shoot around by myself I runaround a lot grabbing rebounds or whatever so I do work up a sweat).

So anyways I am shooting around and I start feeling “out of it”, sweating like its 120 degrees out, and start trembling with my hands, and (now I am thinking damn this sh*t works lol), but I also thought to myself sh*t I am going hypo so I go into my house and eat some raisons to get some sugar in my system and now everything is cool.

Okay to my question, could it be that I was experiencing the early stages of hypoglycemia?

Oh, I’m not on a low carb diet, my carb sources are steel cut oats and brown rice, and some dextrose post workout.


SeaHawk22

40-Yard Dash_2
05-11-2006, 02:06 PM
uhockey or any of the DS guys.


I just got in two bottles of melting point and two bottles of sesamin. (Special package pricing).

So anyways I took melting point before during the beta run and didn’t feel too much, but it was my fault my diet was sadly off at the time. Now I want to give it a fair try. So this time when I got the bottles (this is my fault) I didn’t bother assessing my tolerance (since I had taken it before) and I slammed 4 MP and 1 sesamin to frontload. About a half hour goes by or an hour and I go outside to shoot some basketball (by the way when I shoot around by myself I runaround a lot grabbing rebounds or whatever so I do work up a sweat).

So anyways I am shooting around and I start feeling “out of it”, sweating like its 120 degrees out, and start trembling with my hands, and (now I am thinking damn this sh*t works lol), but I also thought to myself sh*t I am going hypo so I go into my house and eat some raisons to get some sugar in my system and now everything is cool.

Okay to my question, could it be that I was experiencing the early stages of hypoglycemia?

Oh, I’m not on a low carb diet, my carb sources are steel cut oats and brown rice, and some dextrose post workout.


SeaHawk22
How long have you been taking this combo? Starting off with 4 caps of MP and 1 cap of Sesamin is recommended, so you didn't take more than you should have.

SeaHawk22
05-11-2006, 04:02 PM
How long have you been taking this combo? Starting off with 4 caps of MP and 1 cap of Sesamin is recommended, so you didn't take more than you should have.


I took them all at once, my blood sugar most have been low and the sesamin/MP maybe exaggerated it. who knows :)

This was my first day, and like I mentioned I had taken MP before (beta) and sesamin before too, but never together. I was searching on another board and someone mentioned that they get dizzy sometimes when they take sesathin on empty stomach and it may be due to blood sugar being lowered from the glucose uptake. I was in-between meals (I eat every three hours) when I took the combo.

To be honest I was impressed by the amount of sweating but I also found out that sweating is a sign of hypoglycemia. :eek:


SeaHawk22 :)

xxdcmast
05-11-2006, 04:30 PM
Just gotta give a quick shoutout to DS and melting point. Over the past year I would say this has been THE BEST supplement purchase I have made. The results I have experienced on this have been phenomenal. I have a log up here somewhere detailing the use of one bottle of this stuff.

In that time I dropped about 20 lbs. From January 1 to now I went from about 244 to 198 and I was using MP for more than half of this time. I did not lose and strength in fact Ive been gaining steadily. My diet and excercise were on point but I believe this supplement helped a big part in my success.

Great great great product. Cant argue with the results. I will be using again.

40-Yard Dash_2
05-11-2006, 05:15 PM
Just gotta give a quick shoutout to DS and melting point. Over the past year I would say this has been THE BEST supplement purchase I have made. The results I have experienced on this have been phenomenal. I have a log up here somewhere detailing the use of one bottle of this stuff.

In that time I dropped about 20 lbs. From January 1 to now I went from about 244 to 198 and I was using MP for more than half of this time. I did not lose and strength in fact Ive been gaining steadily. My diet and excercise were on point but I believe this supplement helped a big part in my success.

Great great great product. Cant argue with the results. I will be using again.
Cool deal sir. :) That is some rather impressive weight loss. Congrats and best of luck on future Melting Point weight loss endeavors.

uhockey
05-12-2006, 05:35 AM
Awesome feedback xxdc.

Seahawk, there is absolutely no way I can postulate that MP/Sesa had THAT dramatic of an effect on first serving. It was certainly not the MP if that is the case, but more likely the sesamin which acts by a more rapid mechanism.

SeaHawk22
05-12-2006, 11:00 AM
Awesome feedback xxdc.

Seahawk, there is absolutely no way I can postulate that MP/Sesa had THAT dramatic of an effect on first serving. It was certainly not the MP if that is the case, but more likely the sesamin which acts by a more rapid mechanism.


I am on day two now and I feel "fine" no side effects except for maybe I feel a little warmer. (could be the weather).

It was just such a weird feeling to experience I have never felt that way before in my life.


SeaHawk22

kabukirocks
05-22-2006, 01:31 PM
Any concerns with stacking MP with Thyrogen X?

I am also taking:
3g sesamin
6g CLA
6g Fish Oil
Cissus and Activate.

I will be adding potassium, Mg, and Taurine while taking the MP.

Thanks,
Kabuki

kabukirocks
05-22-2006, 03:08 PM
Any concerns with stacking MP with Thyrogen X?

I am also taking:
3g sesamin
6g CLA
6g Fish Oil
Cissus and Activate.

I will be adding potassium, Mg, and Taurine while taking the MP.

Thanks,
Kabuki

I did a search and as far as a can tell no one has tried stacking these two. Any reasons?

uhockey
05-22-2006, 04:17 PM
I know nothing about Thyrogen X and have seen no reviews of it, although I must admit I've not really looked.

sssaammm123
02-10-2007, 12:35 PM
why isnt melting points sold on designer supplement website? or even mentioned? and apparently the retailar "vitamen shoppe"doesnt carry it either. did someone die from it or something so they stopped distributing? because bodybuilding.com still sells

ab-swing asianbabe
02-10-2007, 12:37 PM
why isnt melting points sold on designer supplement website? or even mentioned? and apparently the retailar "vitamen shoppe"doesnt carry it either. did someone die from it or something so they stopped distributing? because bodybuilding.com still sells
Because it is being discontinued.

sssaammm123
02-10-2007, 07:10 PM
why is it being discontinued? was it proven unsafe or something? sry im just thinkinng about taking it but wana make sure it wont kil me lol

fates_child03
02-10-2007, 07:11 PM
Its perfectly safe man and a great tool for dropping extra body weight. DS is discontinuing it because they are releasing an even better fat burner in the near future.

nni
02-10-2007, 07:15 PM
it is being reformulated to improve the product. there is no sinister reasoning behind this. once the current stock is gone, so is mp as you know it. ds will be doing this with a few products.

Twin Peak
02-10-2007, 07:17 PM
why isnt melting points sold on designer supplement website? or even mentioned? and apparently the retailar "vitamen shoppe"doesnt carry it either. did someone die from it or something so they stopped distributing? because bodybuilding.com still sells


Its perfectly safe man and a great tool for dropping extra body weight. DS is discontinuing it because they are releasing an even better fat burner in the near future.

Bump. Reloaded and Melting Point came off our website, because we are no longer selling them. We are just cleaning up the site, as new products (NO Limits) will be added.

VS only carries 5 of our products, they have never had our whole line.

uhockey
02-11-2007, 01:45 AM
Its perfectly safe man and a great tool for dropping extra body weight. DS is discontinuing it because they are releasing an even better fat burner in the near future.


it is being reformulated to improve the product. there is no sinister reasoning behind this. once the current stock is gone, so is mp as you know it. ds will be doing this with a few products.


Bump. Reloaded and Melting Point came off our website, because we are no longer selling them. We are just cleaning up the site, as new products (NO Limits) will be added.

VS only carries 5 of our products, they have never had our whole line.

Bump for emphasis.

skubaman
02-15-2007, 02:47 PM
I have been on a weight loss and fat burning diet basically just watching what I eat, having small portions, many times a day, and increasing metabolism with green tea (not extract), yerba mate tea, bit of milk, etc..

I was thinking of adding some supplements to help burn fat faster and I buy what I read, MP looks very attractive.

If I start taking it, should I stop with the green tea and yerba mate as they are diuretic?

Thanks so much

uhockey
02-15-2007, 04:07 PM
I have been on a weight loss and fat burning diet basically just watching what I eat, having small portions, many times a day, and increasing metabolism with green tea (not extract), yerba mate tea, bit of milk, etc..

I was thinking of adding some supplements to help burn fat faster and I buy what I read, MP looks very attractive.

If I start taking it, should I stop with the green tea and yerba mate as they are diuretic?

Thanks so much

Neither Green Tea nor Yerba are THAT strong a diuretic, just drink a little extra water.

sssaammm123
02-19-2007, 07:30 PM
hey im starting cutting tommorow, i have melting point and planning on starting it, would it be more effective with or without MRI NO2, which ive been supplemening for 2 months? plz

uhockey
02-20-2007, 01:19 AM
Meh, I don't think MRI NO2 effects much of anything, except wallet diameter.

Dublo
02-20-2007, 01:27 AM
So, Mike, is there any word on a supposed DS thermo being put together?

uhockey
02-20-2007, 01:55 AM
So, Mike, is there any word on a supposed DS thermo being put together?

Who is spreading that rumor? ;)

Let's just say it's not a rumor, but it's not ready either.

Look for NO-Limits, LX2.0, GXR2.0 (working Title), and probably the new ActivaTe first.

ZDub212
05-12-2007, 12:40 AM
Melting Point is EXCELLENT. Here's my review...

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2696311

uhockey
05-12-2007, 03:11 AM
Melting Point is EXCELLENT. Here's my review...

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2696311

As Zach noted, this product has been discontinued, so stocking up now would be in your best interest. It is my opinion, but I don't see TTA being widely available for TOO much longer, in any formulation.

Thrive
06-09-2007, 02:49 PM
Will low dosing melting point cause water retention ? what is considered low dosing ? 1-2 capsules a day?

Robboe
06-10-2007, 09:20 AM
Yeah, low is about 2-3 caps daily i'd say. Using 4 caps a day myself right now (6 days in) and not noticed any water retention yet. I am expecting it by the end of week two though.