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Beatitude
12-13-2007, 02:56 PM
Map on suicide rates for each country:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Suicide_rates_map.svg

GDP nominal per capita:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:GDP_nominal_per_capita_world_map_IMF_figures _for_year_2006.png

Discuss.

grup910
12-13-2007, 03:09 PM
avoid russia, china and australia? :confused:

not sure what point you're trying to make, but i'm guessing some weak one between "socialist" systems of government and suicide rates. :rolleyes:

Beatitude
12-13-2007, 03:12 PM
avoid russia, china and australia?

not sure what point you're trying to make, but i'm guessing some weak one between "socialist" systems of government and suicide rates. :rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

The map wasn't between socialism and capitalism :rolleyes:, it was the GDP nominal per capita silly :rolleyes: If I wanted to make a comparison between socialist governments and capitalist ones, I would have :rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

grup910
12-13-2007, 03:18 PM
:rolleyes:

The map wasn't between socialism and capitalism :rolleyes:, it was the GDP nominal per capita silly :rolleyes: If I wanted to make a comparison between socialist governments and capitalist ones, I would have :rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

well, russia, china, japan, australia, as well as some of the scandinavian countries, all with the highest suicide rates, are all either socialist or even communist.

but since you didn't provide any commentary, how would anyone know what your point was? you just threw a couple of links out there and said "discuss."

:rolleyes:

US_Ranger
12-13-2007, 03:21 PM
well, russia, china, japan, australia, as well as some of the scandinavian countries, all with the highest suicide rates, are all either socialist or even communist.

but since you didn't provide any commentary, how would anyone know what your point was? you just threw a couple of links out there and said "discuss."

:rolleyes:

Communism and socialism are completely different. In practice, communism equals a dictatorship so why you're trying to make a correlation with socialism on that one is way beyond me.

Not everyone is trying as hard as you are to make progressive people look dumb so relax a little bit and just take it for what it's worth.

Beatitude
12-13-2007, 03:22 PM
well, russia, china, japan, australia, as well as some of the scandinavian countries, all with the highest suicide rates, are all either socialist or even communist.

but since you didn't provide any commentary, how would anyone know what your point was? you just threw a couple of links out there and said "discuss."

:rolleyes:

:rolleyes: My dear grup, I was comparing GDP with suicide, :rolleyes: not socialism with suicide. :rolleyes: So once again :rolleyes: the comparisons you are gathering are your own doing, not mine :rolleyes:

grup910
12-13-2007, 03:25 PM
Communism and socialism are completely different. In practice, communism equals a dictatorship so why you're trying to make a correlation with socialism on that one is way beyond me.

Not everyone is trying as hard as you are to make progressive people look dumb so relax a little bit and just take it for what it's worth.

that would be 0, since there was no commentary. I can post random links from wiki, too, doesn't mean much without stating your point. :p and yes, i already realize that it's way beyond you.

Lager1
12-13-2007, 03:28 PM
that would be 0, since there was no commentary. I can post random links from wiki, too, doesn't mean much without stating your point. :p and yes, i already realize that it's way beyond you.

You're still getting your ass kicked in this thread? I thought you were done and had learned your lesson after getting owned in the third post. But I guess you are a glutton for punishment. If you want to make yourself look like even more of an idiot, be my guest. :D

xer0xed
12-13-2007, 03:28 PM
Communism and socialism are completely different. In practice, communism equals a dictatorship so why you're trying to make a correlation with socialism on that one is way beyond me.

Not everyone is trying as hard as you are to make progressive people look dumb so relax a little bit and just take it for what it's worth.

His trolling is getting kind of old, isn't it?

Ibanez
12-13-2007, 03:30 PM
You need cultural context with that.

However, after looking at some of the statistics it's pretty amazing, for instance..

US 2002
25363 male suicides
6232 female suicides

More than 4x as many males commit suicide. Roughly 11 per 100,000 in 2002 in the USA (total that is).

Greece only had 3.2 suicides per 100,000 in 2004.

~Serpent~
12-13-2007, 06:33 PM
According to the map, people seem happier in South America

Beatitude
12-13-2007, 06:50 PM
":rolleyes:"

Do you have a family of brothers known as kajara, devire, and kakarot?

Lager1
12-13-2007, 06:56 PM
fo sheezle my neezle. ":cool:"

lol, maybe you could make a less conspicuous name, one nobody would think is you

Dom_88
12-13-2007, 07:25 PM
The suicide rate in this country is absolutely shocking. Especially among youths. I never knew anyone who'd committed suicide in 12 years of living in RSA, but here is a completely different story. Probably tied in to the mental illness rates, something like 1 in 5. In RSA, if people have a therapist or are taking medication, they have serious problems. But here, everyone and their dog has a shrink and is taking some kind of medication. It's just insane(no pun intended)

The saddest part for me is that in the more well-off countries people are killing themselves while in the poorer countries people are usually killing each other or being killed by their living conditions.

dumac
12-13-2007, 07:51 PM
russia also has the largest vodka consumption in the world and its some insane amount too. but what the hell is there to do in russia? most of its a hell hole. if i lived there i'd be drinking gallons of vodka a year too

_AdaM_
12-13-2007, 07:56 PM
I am surpriced that Sweden and Australia has a high rate :confused:

Wonder why that is?

xer0xed
12-13-2007, 08:01 PM
Countries nearer to the equator = more seasonal sunlight = more serotonin production = less seasonal depression.

Google serotonin + sunlight for more info.

The GDP correlation looks iffy either way, tbh ;/

HoosierBoy
12-13-2007, 08:10 PM
I'd kill myself if I lived in France, too.

dumac
12-13-2007, 08:10 PM
According to the map, people seem happier in South America

yes i think its something about the culture. and a lot of those countries don't have great living conditions either but apparently the people are happy.

is there a map of the us that breaks down the suicide rates?

Ibanez
12-13-2007, 08:29 PM
Found this...

State Ranking on Suicide Rates
Suicides per 100,000 residents**

1. District of Columbia: 5.3
2. New York: 6
3. Massachusetts: 6.4
4. New Jersey: 6.8
5. Rhode Island: 7.5
6. Illinois: 8
7. Connecticut: 8.2
8. Maryland: 8.9
9. Hawaii: 8.9
10. Nebraska: 9.5
11. California: 9.6
12. New Hampshire: 9.8
13. Minnesota: 10.1
14. Texas: 10.6
15. Michigan: 10.8
16. Virginia: 10.9
17. Delaware: 11.0
18. Pennsylvania: 11.1
19. Georgia: 11.1
20. North Dakota: 11.2
21. Indiana: 11.3
22. Ohio: 11.3
23. South Carolina: 11.3
24. Iowa: 11.5
25. Alabama: 11.8
26. Wisconsin: 11.9
27. North Carolina: 11.9
28. Louisiana (pre-Katrina): 12.1
29. Mississippi: 12.2
30. Missouri: 12.4
31. Maine: 12.4
32. Arkansas: 13
33. Florida: 13
34. Kentucky: 13.2
35. Tennessee: 13.2
36. Washington: 13.2
37. Kansas: 13.5
38. Vermont: 14.2
39. Oklahoma: 14.4
40. South Dakota: 14.9
41. Oregon: 14.9
42. West Virginia: 15.4
43. Arizona: 15.6
44. Colorado: 17.1
45. Utah: 17.1
46. Idaho: 17.5
47. Wyoming: 17.6
48. Montana: 18.7
49. New Mexico: 18.8
50. Nevada: 19
51. Alaska: 23.1

**Numbers are age-adjusted, as states vary in number of residents at the most and least vulnerable ages for committing suicide. The totals take account of these differences. Data are from 2004, the latest year available.

Source: Thomson Healthcare from National Center for Health Statistics and Bureau of Census data

Region [Subdivision Abbreviations] Rate Number
West (M, P) ....................................... 12.4 ..........8,373
South (ESC, WSC, SA) ........................ 11.8 ........ 12,557
Nation............................................ ....11.1 ........32,439
Midwest (WNC, ENC) ......................... 10.8 ..........7,114
Northeast (NE, MA) .............................. 8.1 ..........4,395

US_Ranger
12-13-2007, 08:32 PM
Daaaaaaaamn Alaska.......no wonder AKR is always so pissed off.

I guess months and months of darkness gets pretty depressing though. Still, it's one of the places that many people are looking to move to because it's so open and one of the few more wild places left available for US citizens.

ArmTheHomeless
12-13-2007, 08:42 PM
Communism and socialism are completely different. In practice, communism equals a dictatorship so why you're trying to make a correlation with socialism on that one is way beyond me.

Not everyone is trying as hard as you are to make progressive people look dumb so relax a little bit and just take it for what it's worth.

Technically Marxism is anti government which tends to lead to communism thus making a Communist government a contradictory. That would be like having an anarchist government. There can be no one dictator in communism otherwise it's totalitarianism.

ElderJefferson
12-14-2007, 06:30 AM
More than 4x as many males commit suicide. Roughly 11 per 100,000 in 2002 in the USA (total that is).

We men have more pressure.

And more alcoholics and drug addicts. :rolleyes:

bamatank
12-14-2007, 06:47 AM
The data that the OP presented show that the richest nations have the highest suicide rates and the absolute poorest nations have an almost non existant suicide rate. I would like to see in addition to these two charts a divorce rate chart. It would seem that in the rich nations where people can afford to divorce there would be higher suicide rates also. This also matches with the numbers another poster presented showing that suicide rates are higher among men.

I read an article recently showing that in the US 75% of all divorces are women leaving men and 90% of those divorces the man never saw it coming. It usually happen when the kids are going to college or leaving the house, the man starts thinking about retiring and making plans to spend time as a couple, and the woman blind sides him with wanting a divorce. This along with the fact that the man is usually then financially ruined and the woman is living the high life trigors suicide in a lot of men.

MattPL
12-14-2007, 07:20 AM
Map on suicide rates for each country:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Suicide_rates_map.svg

GDP nominal per capita:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:GDP_nominal_per_capita_world_map_IMF_figures _for_year_2006.png

Discuss.

Highest sucicde rates are among the elderly (85+) with the age groups just under that with the next higest, maybe it is because of industrialized rich nations that have the tech and the money to kepp people alive that long and support and treat people with severe diseases is the cause for the suicide (at least in the US).

Ibanez
12-14-2007, 08:56 AM
We men have more pressure.

And more alcoholics and drug addicts. :rolleyes:

"Mental disorders (particularly depression and substance abuse) are associated with more than 90% of all cases of suicide; however, suicide results from many complex sociocultural factors and is more likely to occur particularly during periods of socioeconomic, family and individual crisis situations (e.g. loss of a loved one, employment, honor)."