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mick123
10-18-2005, 02:46 AM
So do they want the north half of africa and the middleeast,east to pakistan to become 1 country? And Indonesia, Albania and Malaysia to be part of it to?

SYRIANKID
10-18-2005, 03:08 AM
Yes

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Ruhanv
10-18-2005, 05:31 AM
It's a completely and utterly crazy concept. Espousing Theocratic rule is clearly another example as to why Islam desperately needs a Renaissance. It's almost as if this religion is culturally, sociologically and intellectually 600 years behind Christianity. For all intents and purposes it is still stuck in it's own dark ages waiting for a Lutheresq personality to liberate it.

Quintis Vindex
10-18-2005, 06:31 AM
It's a completely and utterly crazy concept. Espousing Theocratic rule is clearly another example as to why Islam desperately needs a Renaissance. It's almost as if this religion is culturally, sociologically and intellectually 600 years behind Christianity. For all intents and purposes it is still stuck in it's own dark ages waiting for a Lutheresq personality to liberate it.

Exactly. There was a time when the Islamic world was clearly the more advanced civlization, after the West had abandoned its Roman traditions. But it seems the West "Woke-up", and Islam went the other, wrong direction, devolving into a stratified, stagnant, and regressive society. Which us unfortunate for the west, but far much worse for the Muslims themselves.

~Serpent~
10-18-2005, 01:37 PM
Real life smurfs :

http://www.dumpalink.com/media/1129629056

Quintis Vindex
10-18-2005, 01:52 PM
Real life smurfs :

http://www.dumpalink.com/media/1129629056

OH ****.


LLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL , IM still laughin,,,hahaha

You need to post that in the Misc section.

Dave22reborn
10-18-2005, 04:30 PM
It's some bull**** fantasy that they have in their head. That once it's created, it'll become a world power. We're talking #1 in when it comes to education, the economy, their army, thier medicine, etc. A place where you can have 4 wives, and each of them can be 9 years old. A place where you can own a slave. A place devoid of music, art, and dancing.

It's supposedly going to sweep over Israel as well, I'd love to see how that could happen. Kashmir as well, supposedly India is just going to sit back and let this occur.

Than after years of being a world power, supposedly all the world will unite to wage a war against this Islamic state, we infidels will lose, they'll win, and it's pretty much the end of the world.

Now reality tells us that India, and China will rise with their economies, and that in the US, by the year 2050, their will be more old people than young, and that whites will be a minority.

That sound's a little more realistic, no???? :) :)

Seraphil
10-18-2005, 06:58 PM
It's some bull**** fantasy that they have in their head. That once it's created, it'll become a world power. We're talking #1 in when it comes to education, the economy, their army, thier medicine, etc. A place where you can have 4 wives, and each of them can be 9 years old. A place where you can own a slave. A place devoid of music, art, and dancing.

It's supposedly going to sweep over Israel as well, I'd love to see how that could happen. Kashmir as well, supposedly India is just going to sit back and let this occur.

Than after years of being a world power, supposedly all the world will unite to wage a war against this Islamic state, we infidels will lose, they'll win, and it's pretty much the end of the world.

Now reality tells us that India, and China will rise with their economies, and that in the US, by the year 2050, their will be more old people than young, and that whites will be a minority.

That sound's a little more realistic, no???? :) :)


you really hate muslims dont you? every one of your posts seems so heated against them.


in regard to the topic at hand, i believe it is highly unlikely for one man to unite all these people in this day and age.

Dave22reborn
10-18-2005, 07:01 PM
you really hate muslims dont you? every one of your posts seems so heated against them.


in regard to the topic at hand, i believe it is highly unlikely for one man to unite all these people in this day and age.

Don't hate them, just like you don't supposedly hate Jews and Israel.

Seraphil
10-18-2005, 07:18 PM
Don't hate them, just like you don't supposedly hate Jews and Israel.


i dont hate jews in any sort of fashion, do i like israel.. no. never said i did. atleast i can be honest.

Dave22reborn
10-18-2005, 07:27 PM
i dont hate jews in any sort of fashion, do i like israel.. no. never said i did. atleast i can be honest.

And you're telling me that you would enjoy living in a country, where every woman was covered up, where art, music, and dancing were non-existant, where slavery would be allowed, where a man could marry 4 9-olds, and consumate the marriage with each and every one of them, where gambling would be illegal, where bodybuilding compitions would be gone and illegal, where beaches would be non-existant?????


And I can't seem to understand your hatred towards Israel, when it has benefited mankind far more than any country that surrounds her.

Seraphil
10-18-2005, 07:34 PM
And you're telling me that you would enjoy living in a country, where every woman was covered up, where art, music, and dancing were non-existant, where slavery would be allowed, where a man could marry 4 9-olds, and consumate the marriage with each and every one of them, where gambling would be illegal, where bodybuilding compitions would be gone and illegal, where beaches would be non-existant?????


And I can't seem to understand your hatred towards Israel, when it has benefited mankind far more than any country that surrounds her.


no, i wouldnt. But i dont believe those are the values espoused by true islam as i have come to understand it from muslims. i believe you are refering to saudia arabia. but if you go to syria or lebanon you will see that this is not the case. i have been there. I dislike israel, due to its policies and its origin. do i agree that the israelis are hardworking and productive? yes, i admire them for that. But i still dont think what they do is right.

Dave22reborn
10-18-2005, 07:37 PM
no, i wouldnt. But i dont believe those are the values espoused by true islam as i have come to understand it from muslims. i believe you are refering to saudia arabia. but if you go to syria or lebanon you will see that this is not the case. i have been there. I dislike israel, due to its policies and its origin. do i agree that the israelis are hardworking and productive? yes, i admire them for that. But i still dont think what they do is right.

Ask SyrianKid himself. It's okay that you don't believe me, but ask him. Ask him about art, music, dancing, gambling, slavery, consumating a marriage with a 9-year old, etc. He will tell you the truth.

Where do you think I learned about this????? From him.

Seraphil
10-18-2005, 07:41 PM
Ask SyrianKid himself. It's okay that you don't believe me, but ask him. Ask him about art, music, dancing, gambling, slavery, consumating a marriage with a 9-year old, etc. He will tell you the truth.

Where do you think I learned about this????? From him.


perhaps he will chime in

SYRIANKID
10-18-2005, 09:58 PM
Yes, ask Syriankid and don't let people put words in his mouth. :D

I'm not the kind of person who sugar-coats anything, and I answer whatever is asked. But I don't like to be misquoted.

deeyala
10-19-2005, 03:09 AM
It's some bull**** fantasy that they have in their head. That once it's created, it'll become a world power. We're talking #1 in when it comes to education, the economy, their army, thier medicine, etc. A place where you can have 4 wives, and each of them can be 9 years old. A place where you can own a slave. A place devoid of music, art, and dancing.

It's supposedly going to sweep over Israel as well, I'd love to see how that could happen. Kashmir as well, supposedly India is just going to sit back and let this occur.

Than after years of being a world power, supposedly all the world will unite to wage a war against this Islamic state, we infidels will lose, they'll win, and it's pretty much the end of the world. :)
very very true :D
here's a song about it..
http://arabic.salmiya.net/songs/sami/rm/sami18.rm
i never would have guessed you know all that much about such a 'fantasy" as you call it...
what goes up comes down.............................................. .......................







then bounces back up again , :D
then down ,then up....
just be careful where you'd be bouncing when the world comes to an end

kalagan
10-19-2005, 04:08 AM
you speak about an "extremist islamic republic"...that 's what the extremist want.....not all the muslin !!

I suppose that someone from Egypt want to stay and egyptian and someone from Morocco want to stay a citizen of Morocco.....(as a French you to stay Franec and not only an "european).

Don't think that all the people who live in this "area" want an islamic republic, that's bull****. It's just the concept of "djihad"..to make the entire world to be just ONE Islamic country, everybody know it's impossible and that 's just a "dream" of some crazy islamist....

i really begin to think that CNN and all other media in US have begin to "formatted you brain".....!!!

What would you do if i tell you that in France everybody think that L.A, Chicago or New-York are a very dangerous city where all things happen like in "NEW JACK CITY", BOYS INTHE HOOD" or "MENACE TO SOCIETY"...you'll think french people are very stupid...that's the same when i hear you tellin what you're actually speak about !!

ps : i don't remember the name of a movie with Denzel whasinghton" where the scene take place in new-york and where everybody is "fearing" about muslim....i think this movie explain what american people feels today...i mean actually all your movies speak about 9/11 or terrosrism, etc...

deeyala
10-19-2005, 10:32 AM
you speak about an "extremist islamic republic"...that 's what the extremist want.....not all the muslin !!

I suppose that someone from Egypt want to stay and egyptian and someone from Morocco want to stay a citizen of Morocco.....(as a French you to stay Franec and not only an "european).

...

no, that would be a very "normal' islamic republic:D
... nationalism, racism...etc whatever ... -ism you think of isn't an issue in Islam.. we're all muslims and we're all equal infornt of God.. our deeds are the only means of evaluation... and the sole purpose of living on this earth is to 1)revive God's religion and 2)entirley worship Him and abide by His rules
the islamic state is the facilitated means for muslims to attain, and maintain those..
to which country you belong, doesn't signify a thing
so sure i'd love to continue living in Egypt... but if for whatever reason they changed its name, my feelings of belonging to this land and wanting to live there will remain intact...
we're ALL muslims, who happen to live on diffrent geographical areas on the face of this earth...
geography and borders aren't God-made and shouldn't outweigh your sincere hope to fulfill God's orders..

nForce
10-19-2005, 11:00 AM
It's a completely and utterly crazy concept. Espousing Theocratic rule is clearly another example as to why Islam desperately needs a Renaissance. It's almost as if this religion is culturally, sociologically and intellectually 600 years behind Christianity. For all intents and purposes it is still stuck in it's own dark ages waiting for a Lutheresq personality to liberate it.

Why is it a crazy concept? the Jews managed to do it

AntonToo
10-19-2005, 02:03 PM
Yes, ask Syriankid and don't let people put words in his mouth. :D

I'm not the kind of person who sugar-coats anything, and I answer whatever is asked. But I don't like to be misquoted.

SO then go ahead tell us what Islams position on

music, dancing, gambling, slavery and consumating a marriage with a 9-year old.

Dave22reborn
10-19-2005, 03:42 PM
SO then go ahead tell us what Islams position on

music, dancing, gambling, slavery and consumating a marriage with a 9-year old.

You forgot to mention art. :)

Dave22reborn
10-19-2005, 03:48 PM
very very true :D
here's a song about it..
http://arabic.salmiya.net/songs/sami/rm/sami18.rm
i never would have guessed you know all that much about such a 'fantasy" as you call it...
what goes up comes down.............................................. .......................







then bounces back up again , :D
then down ,then up....
just be careful where you'd be bouncing when the world comes to an end

The world isn't going to end for another couple billion years, when the sun, which is a star, burns out.

People may not possibly be on this planet a in a hundred years, but Earth will still be here. The universe will still go on.

With your kind of beliefs, you neglect the possiblity that there is other life out there in the universe.

And yes, I consider it to be a fantasy. You truly believe that somehow when this Islamic state is created, that the people in Afghanastan for ex. are going to be living better than the people in the modern world????

You truly believe that Mexico, Canada, N. Korea, China, etc. Will unite and wage war against this made up state????

That somehow it will sweep over Israel, and Kashmir???? And possibly Spain?? And you guys make it sound like it's going to happen in the next 10-20 years.

HumorMe
10-19-2005, 03:58 PM
Real life smurfs :

http://www.dumpalink.com/media/1129629056

omfg I laughed so hard I almost choked

wtf was that?

Quintis Vindex
10-19-2005, 04:27 PM
The world isn't going to end for another couple billion years, when the sun, which is a star, burns out.

People may not possibly be on this planet a in a hundred years, but Earth will still be here. The universe will still go on.

With your kind of beliefs, you neglect the possiblity that there is other life out there in the universe.

And yes, I consider it to be a fantasy. You truly believe that somehow when this Islamic state is created, that the people in Afghanastan for ex. are going to be living better than the people in the modern world????

You truly believe that Mexico, Canada, N. Korea, China, etc. Will unite and wage war against this made up state????

That somehow it will sweep over Israel, and Kashmir???? And possibly Spain?? And you guys make it sound like it's going to happen in the next 10-20 years.


I say lets go. Let them unite. We have a massive Nuclear Arsenal and thousands of well trained Launch Specialists who are aching to put their training to use.

ALLAH AHKBAR BABY.

AccountantGuy
10-19-2005, 04:32 PM
What? You're worried about these guys?


http://www.m90.org/view_image.php?image_id=8279


Pffffft!

Seriously, let them tell their crazy opium/donkey love induced stories and be happy.

Quintis Vindex
10-19-2005, 05:25 PM
What? You're worried about these guys?


http://www.m90.org/view_image.php?image_id=8279


Pffffft!

Seriously, let them tell their crazy opium/donkey love induced stories and be happy.

Jesus Christ,

HAHA...... Damn, thats two videos in this thread that are funny as hell....I don't think there has ever been more appropriate music ever than in thast last one.

SYRIANKID
10-19-2005, 09:20 PM
SO then go ahead tell us what Islams position on

music, dancing, gambling, slavery and consumating a marriage with a 9-year old.

Impermissible,

permissible (with qualifications),

impermissible,

permissible (with qualification: slavery gained only through battlefield, that is, prisoners of war) and a slave in Islam is treated like a son or daughter minus inheritance rights

permissible in a legal, consenting marriage provided the person has reached the age of puberty.

HippieKiller
10-19-2005, 09:26 PM
Real life smurfs :

http://www.dumpalink.com/media/1129629056

Hahahahahahahahahahah. What the hell is going on there?

AntonToo
10-19-2005, 11:14 PM
[Music] - Impermissible,
[Dance] - permissible (with qualifications),
[Gambling] - impermissible,
[Slavery] - permissible (with qualification: slavery gained only through battlefield, that is, prisoners of war) and a slave in Islam is treated like a son or daughter minus inheritance rights.
[Marrying a 9 year old]permissible in a legal, consenting marriage provided the person has reached the age of puberty.


So there you have it DAVE, dancing IS permissable (sometimes) - so stop with your obvious muslim hating BS and lies!

~Serpent~
10-19-2005, 11:38 PM
What? You're worried about these guys?


http://www.m90.org/view_image.php?image_id=8279


Pffffft!

Seriously, let them tell their crazy opium/donkey love induced stories and be happy.


Dude, that is just so wrong...LMAO.

~Serpent~
10-19-2005, 11:46 PM
Impermissible,

permissible (with qualifications),

impermissible,

permissible (with qualification: slavery gained only through battlefield, that is, prisoners of war) and a slave in Islam is treated like a son or daughter minus inheritance rights

permissible in a legal, consenting marriage provided the person has reached the age of puberty.


Music is impermissible, but slavery is permissible. Hmm, interesting.

SK, Music is art. Isnt art permissible in Islam?

nForce
10-20-2005, 03:34 AM
Music is impermissible, but slavery is permissible. Hmm, interesting.

SK, Music is art. Isnt art permissible in Islam?

I like the way how you tried to word your post to make his religion sound pathetic, he already said grounds on which 'slavery' is permissable, and you can't really argue with it...

~Serpent~
10-20-2005, 03:56 AM
I like the way how you tried to word your post to make his religion sound pathetic, he already said grounds on which 'slavery' is permissable, and you can't really argue with it...


Im not trying to make Islam look pathetic. Its a legitimate issue i bring up. Since music is art in every way. If art is permissible in Islam then why not music? Its a contradiction.

Of course there really is no point in bringing this up ultimately, since many similar issues have been brought up without any logical answers or thought to understand the real meanings.

SNiPeRViRuS
10-21-2005, 06:47 PM
Yo,

Grownups just **** things up their asses and then bitch all about it.


Im muslim. I ****ing listen to music, I ****ing curse, and I do a lot of ****. Am I a bad person? **** no. I ****ing started a fund raiser, and raised 10 grand at the age of 9 for poor people. I do community service, and I ****ing bodybuild. People, from all religions use religion as a form of control. The key important factor in Islam is moderation. Strict Islam, is degratory to the entire religion. Every time I see a woman covered up, I have the strong desire to knock her husband the **** out. And everytime I see Jews who walk around with their long ass hair and whatnot, I feel like knocking them the **** out too. You arent supposed to kill yourselves, for crying out loud. Calm down, be nice, and live life. Just be good about it, and use moderation in all things. Some say I am not a real muslim, but guess what. Its not up to them, its up to god. I odnt even get why the **** we still talking about this ****. Whatever happens to the end of thew orld, wont happen for at least another ****ing 100 years. So why the hell do we give a ****?

SYRIANKID
10-21-2005, 09:19 PM
Music is impermissible, but slavery is permissible. Hmm, interesting.

Exactly, though "slavery" for someone like yourself, means something totally different considering American and European history with slavery.

In Islam, slavery means something totally different, and there are laws governing the rights of slaves.


SK, Music is art. Isnt art permissible in Islam?

Music and musical instruments are not permissible. We don't really care what categories you want to subsume into the "arts", music is distinguished from art here as one is aural and involves musical instruments to be specific.

Art, in terms of sculptures, crafts, and painting/drawing are permissible as long as they do not depict humans or animals or animaloids or humanoids and of course no idols.

~Serpent~
10-21-2005, 10:03 PM
Exactly, though "slavery" for someone like yourself, means something totally different considering American and European history with slavery.

In Islam, slavery means something totally different, and there are laws governing the rights of slaves.

.


You make slavery sound like a legitimate occupation. So i guess you wouldnt mind being a slave yourself huh?

SYRIANKID
10-21-2005, 10:04 PM
You make slavery sound like a legitimate occupation. So i guess you wouldnt mind being a slave yourself huh?

I actually wouldn't, since God specifically mentions the merits of slaves. But anyway:

I couldn't be a slave anyway, the only way to be a slave is to lose in Jihad against Muslims...and I'd be on the Muslims' side, front row, center :D

~Serpent~
10-21-2005, 10:08 PM
I actually wouldn't, since God specifically mentions the merits of slaves. But anyway:

I couldn't be a slave anyway, the only way to be a slave is to lose in Jihad against Muslims...and I'd be on the Muslims' side, front row, center :D

Wow, so by slaves, you mean only non muslims can be slaves?What if you lost to Israel, would you be a willing slave then?

SYRIANKID
10-21-2005, 10:42 PM
Wow, so by slaves, you mean only non muslims can be slaves?What if you lost to Israel, would you be a willing slave then?

You're making zero sense as of now. If someone became a POW to Israel, why would they make him into a slave according to Islamic law?

You become a slave in the Islamic sense, if you lose in a battle against Muslims, and the Caliph decides to take slaves. That's the only way. What non-Islamic entities do to their prisoners of war has nothing to do with what Muslims do.

~Serpent~
10-21-2005, 10:49 PM
You're making zero sense as of now. If someone became a POW to Israel, why would they make him into a slave according to Islamic law?

You become a slave in the Islamic sense, if you lose in a battle against Muslims, and the Caliph decides to take slaves. That's the only way. What non-Islamic entities do to their prisoners of war has nothing to do with what Muslims do.


rrrright... So i guess the Muslims who lost and are at Guantanamo Bay, would be considered the equivalent.

SYRIANKID
10-21-2005, 10:56 PM
rrrright... So i guess the Muslims who lost and are at Guantanamo Bay, would be considered the equivalent.

No, because slaves in Islam are treated better than that.

But there's nothing you can do about that for the time being...

~Serpent~
10-21-2005, 11:28 PM
No, because slaves in Islam are treated better than that.

But there's nothing you can do about that for the time being...


Was it the 15th century when Islam had established rule over several countries united under Islam?

honeybbqgrundle
10-21-2005, 11:43 PM
Nothing matters to SK except what the Quran says. ANYTHING the Quran says, he will agree with because he believes he has to. As soon as you realize that, it's much easier to understand him. That's why hypothetical questions about being in Guantanamo will not get you anywhere basically.

TranceNRG
10-22-2005, 02:09 AM
Nothing matters to SK except what the Quran says. ANYTHING the Quran says, he will agree with because he believes he has to.

That is definitely a compliment for SK.
I wish I was like him as well
:)

Quintis Vindex
10-22-2005, 07:10 AM
That is definitely a compliment for SK.
I wish I was like him as well
:)

Yes, we should all strive to blindly follow a book written by some guy on a hash trip centuries ago.

AntonToo
10-22-2005, 07:55 AM
That is definitely a compliment for SK.
I wish I was like him as well
:)

Thats right, you just don't have the balls to be extremist :)

Dave22reborn
10-22-2005, 08:28 AM
T
I wish I was like him as well
:)

Then give up your partying, give up your music that you enjoy listening too, give up the girls that you date and sleep with, etc.

Dave22reborn
10-22-2005, 08:33 AM
I just don't see how they could become a world power, when they don't even have modern toilets. :) :)

http://www.theplumber.com/toilets-world-middleeast.html

But with the return of the "Islamic State" they'll just magically appear.

honeybbqgrundle
10-22-2005, 10:31 AM
That is definitely a compliment for SK.
I wish I was like him as well
:)

Some would look up to him for it and others would think he's crazy :). I meant it as neither a compliment or insult- it's just the truth, and most arguments will be a waste of time because of it.

If I were you, I'd keep sinning for a few more years at least. There's always time to not sin, right?

TranceNRG
10-22-2005, 12:29 PM
Then give up your partying, give up your music that you enjoy listening too, give up the girls that you date and sleep with, etc.

slow and steady is my motto
:D

TranceNRG
10-22-2005, 12:30 PM
If I were you, I'd keep sinning for a few more years at least. There's always time to not sin, right?


:D
I do
which is why I still need to learn alot more from SK

SNiPeRViRuS
10-22-2005, 09:09 PM
Or just be liberal like me and not give a ****..


Seriously, ppl who tlak about other religions like that, only cause their own downfall. Mind your own bussiness, cuz we arent the only annoying people on earth. Yall jsut as ****ed as us.

(o)./^\.(o)
10-22-2005, 09:29 PM
Impermissible,

permissible (with qualifications),

impermissible,

permissible (with qualification: slavery gained only through battlefield, that is, prisoners of war) and a slave in Islam is treated like a son or daughter minus inheritance rights

permissible in a legal, consenting marriage provided the person has reached the age of puberty.

Dancing without music?

theredshirt
10-23-2005, 12:17 AM
Dancing without music?
oh **** didnt think of that

bryan361
10-23-2005, 08:19 AM
Espousing Theocratic rule is clearly another example as to why Islam desperately needs a Renaissance.

A reformation will happen eventually. Remember that Islam is the youngest of the main Judeau religions, give it time. Judaism had its major reformation in the mid 1800's. What remains to be seen is if Islam's reformation will be peaceful or bloody.


Why is it a crazy concept? the Jews managed to do it

I'm not sure where you get your information, but Israel isn't a Theocracy anymore than the United States is a Theocracy. The government of Israel doesn't involve itself in traditional religious matters, free multiparty elections for the Kenesset are held, there is religious freedom etc... People aren't forced to practice Judaism and those that do practice Judaism aren't forced to practice a certian sect of Judaism. The majority of Israelis are secular.

RE: Dancing and music in Islam

I find it odd that Islam would not permit music because Judaism, where Islam gets its roots, permits it.

Exodus 15.1
Then Moses and the Children of Israel chose to sing this song to HaShem
(the song is called The Song by the Sea and is still sung today)

Exodus 15.20
Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took her drum in her hand and all the women went forth after her with drums and with dances.

Now if music wasn't permitted wouldn't the prophet Moses had put a stop to it at once?

Dave22reborn
10-23-2005, 06:16 PM
Real life smurfs :

http://www.dumpalink.com/media/1129629056

Seriously WTF is that???? It's the first time I clicked on it.

~Serpent~
10-23-2005, 10:13 PM
Seriously WTF is that???? It's the first time I clicked on it.

I dont know what it is either.

SYRIANKID
10-23-2005, 10:21 PM
Seriously WTF is that???? It's the first time I clicked on it.

Whoa, that is a Shia congregation beating themselves in mourning, most likely for the murders of Hassan and Hussein (may God be pleased with them), the grandsons of the Prophet (may the peace and blessings of God be upon him).

Needless to say, that is not legislated, nor is mourning like that condoned. It's the first time I've seen something like that too! :D

~Serpent~
10-23-2005, 10:26 PM
Whoa, that is a Shia congregation beating themselves in mourning, most likely for the murders of Hassan and Hussein (may God be pleased with them), the grandsons of the Prophet (may the peace and blessings of God be upon him).

Needless to say, that is not legislated, nor is mourning like that condoned. It's the first time I've seen something like that too! :D


The grandsons of Mohammad? How is that possible? Unless you mean great great great x ? grandsons...

eyeofthetiger
10-23-2005, 10:29 PM
The grandsons of Mohammad? How is that possible? Unless you mean great great great x ? grandsons...

why is that impossible?

Fatima (may Allah be pleased with her), the daughter of the Prophet (pbuh), had children

~Serpent~
10-23-2005, 10:34 PM
why is that impossible?

Fatima (may Allah be pleased with her), the daughter of the Prophet (pbuh), had children


No im saying how could they be just grandchildren. That would mean they were just 3 generations apart.

SYRIANKID
10-23-2005, 10:39 PM
No im saying how could they be just grandchildren. That would mean they were just 3 generations apart.

They were born during the life of the Prophet (pbuh): 625/626 CE

The Prophet (pbuh) died 632 C.E.

~Serpent~
10-23-2005, 10:40 PM
They were born during the life of the Prophet (pbuh): 625/626 CE

The Prophet (pbuh) died 632 C.E.


And when did they die?

SYRIANKID
10-23-2005, 10:42 PM
And when did they die?

669/680

~Serpent~
10-23-2005, 10:43 PM
669/680


ok,...at first i thought you were saying they died when that video was shot. :P

eyeofthetiger
10-24-2005, 12:37 AM
ok,...at first i thought you were saying they died when that video was shot. :P

:)

Boxman
10-24-2005, 08:50 AM
Imagine there's no science,
It's easy if you try,
Burning hell below us,
Above us only Allah,
Imagine all the people
living for the Koran...

Imagine there's no countries,
It isnt hard to do,
Plenty to kill and die for,
No infidels too,
Imagine all the people
living life in peace...

Imagine no women's rights,
I wonder if you can,
No need for fairness or tolerance,
A brotherhood of Islam,
Imagine all our people
Ruling all the world...

You may say Im a dreamer,
but Im not the only one,
I hope some day you'll join us,
And the world will live as one.

kalagan
10-24-2005, 09:06 AM
Imagine there's no science,
It's easy if you try,
Burning hell below us,
Above us only Allah,
Imagine all the people
living for the Koran...

Imagine there's no countries,
It isnt hard to do,
Plenty to kill and die for,
No infidels too,
Imagine all the people
living life in peace...

Imagine no women's rights,
I wonder if you can,
No need for fairness or tolerance,
A brotherhood of Islam,
Imagine all our people
Ruling all the world...

You may say Im a dreamer,
but Im not the only one,
I hope some day you'll join us,
And the world will live as one.


lol...i prefer the lennon's version !!!!

getting2big
10-24-2005, 10:06 AM
Needless to say, that is not legislated, nor is mourning like that condoned. It's the first time I've seen something like that too! :D


ok SYRIANKID may you explain why its not legislated and that mourning like that is condoned

Chute
10-24-2005, 06:58 PM
I like the way how you tried to word your post to make his religion sound pathetic, he already said grounds on which 'slavery' is permissable, and you can't really argue with it...


Under Islam, the United States has 25 million new Iraqi slaves.


Wait hold on, word is coming in..the United States doesnt take slaves...

..because we aren't run by the ideas of an epileptic child-raping, human slaving, poet-slaughtering, book-plagiarizing bipolar psychopath.

Quintis Vindex
10-24-2005, 07:12 PM
Under Islam, the United States has 25 million new Iraqi slaves.


Wait hold on, word is coming in..the United States doesnt take slaves...

..because we aren't run by the ideas of an epileptic child-raping, human slaving, poet-slaughtering, book-plagiarizing bipolar psychopath.

For the win.

SYRIANKID
10-24-2005, 08:58 PM
ok SYRIANKID may you explain why its not legislated and that mourning like that is condoned

Sure thing

The Messenger of God (may the peace and blessings of God be upon him) said:

"He who on befalling a calamity slaps his cheeks, tears his clothes and follows the ways and traditions of the Days of Ignorance is not one of us.''

"He who allows others to wail over his death, will be punished for it on the Day of Resurrection.''

"Two things are signs of disbelief on the part of those who indulge in them: Slandering one's lineage and wailing over the dead.''

A woman who had taken a pledge of allegiance at the hand of the Messenger of God (pbuh) said: "Among the matters in respect of which we gave the Messenger of God (pbuh) the pledge not to disobey him in any Ma`ruf [i.e., all that Islam ordains (V:60:12)] was that we should not slap our faces, bewail, tear our clothes up and tear out our hair in grief.''

And there's MUCH more where that came from.

Abyss
10-25-2005, 07:04 AM
Man that video made me LOL

getting2big
10-25-2005, 10:27 AM
[QUOTE=SYRIANKID]Sure thing

The Messenger of God (may the peace and blessings of God be upon him) said:

"He who on befalling a calamity slaps his cheeks, tears his clothes and follows the ways and traditions of the Days of Ignorance is not one of us.''

"He who allows others to wail over his death, will be punished for it on the Day of Resurrection.''

"Two things are signs of disbelief on the part of those who indulge in them: Slandering one's lineage and wailing over the dead.''

QUOTE]

1- in defence of shia first thing you must know is that slaping cheeks and tearing clothes isnt accepted even on the grief of imam husain(pbuh) but as for hitting with your hands and your chest(latom) this is totally accepted as long as a person dosent cause harm to him self .

2-I think you made a mistake in the writing because what im getting from it is that imam husain(pbuh) will be punished as you know that shia every year wail on his death and thus saying that the imam will be punished is tottally unexcepted as every muslim knows.

3- as for wailing over the dead didnt the profit wail over the death of his son, and the daughter of the profit fatma(pbuh) wail on her fathers death and knowing that she died within a year of the profits deaths do to grief.


and again shia do not accept such acts which may cause harm to ones self but still some people act upon them do to the grief that they have on imam husain(pbuh) and that dosent mean that they represent the thinking of the shia.

nForce
10-25-2005, 12:04 PM
[QUOTE=SYRIANKID]Sure thing

The Messenger of God (may the peace and blessings of God be upon him) said:

"He who on befalling a calamity slaps his cheeks, tears his clothes and follows the ways and traditions of the Days of Ignorance is not one of us.''

"He who allows others to wail over his death, will be punished for it on the Day of Resurrection.''

"Two things are signs of disbelief on the part of those who indulge in them: Slandering one's lineage and wailing over the dead.''

QUOTE]

1- in defence of shia first thing you must know is that slaping cheeks and tearing clothes isnt accepted even on the grief of imam husain(pbuh) but as for hitting with your hands and your chest(latom) this is totally accepted as long as a person dosent cause harm to him self .

2-I think you made a mistake in the writing because what im getting from it is that imam husain(pbuh) will be punished as you know that shia every year wail on his death and thus saying that the imam will be punished is tottally unexcepted as every muslim knows.

3- as for wailing over the dead didnt the profit wail over the death of his son, and the daughter of the profit fatma(pbuh) wail on her fathers death and knowing that she died within a year of the profits deaths do to grief.


and again shia do not accept such acts which may cause harm to ones self but still some people act upon them do to the grief that they have on imam husain(pbuh) and that dosent mean that they represent the thinking of the shia.

are you shia? can you tell me why you chose shia over sunni?

SYRIANKID
10-25-2005, 09:00 PM
2-I think you made a mistake in the writing because what im getting from it is that imam husain(pbuh) will be punished as you know that shia every year wail on his death and thus saying that the imam will be punished is tottally unexcepted as every muslim knows.

No, the Prophet (pbuh) said that whoever condones (allows) it will be punished. Obviously it does not apply to Imam Hussein.

And also, slapping your face and head is not distinguished from slapping your cheeks. The Prophet (pbuh) didn't distinguish between harming and not harming one's self when excessively mourning like that.

~Serpent~
10-25-2005, 09:05 PM
No, the Prophet (pbuh) said that whoever condones (allows) it will be punished. Obviously it does not apply to Imam Hussein.

And also, slapping your face and head is not distinguished from slapping your cheeks. The Prophet (pbuh) didn't distinguish between harming and not harming one's self when excessively mourning like that.


So in islam youre not supposed to moarn someone's death?

SYRIANKID
10-25-2005, 09:09 PM
So in islam youre not supposed to moarn someone's death?

Where did you get that idea? I don't understand how you jump in with a question like that based on anything I've said so far. Explain.

You can mourn if you want, but you're not supposed to excessively mourn someone's death by tearing your clothes, wailing, and slapping yourself.

But for believers, death is technically not something to be sad about.

~Serpent~
10-25-2005, 09:15 PM
Where did you get that idea? I don't understand how you jump in with a question like that based on anything I've said so far. Explain.

You can mourn if you want, but you're not supposed to excessively mourn someone's death by tearing your clothes, wailing, and slapping yourself.

But for believers, death is technically not something to be sad about.


Wailing is crying. Is crying forbidden? Regardless of the situation that is

SYRIANKID
10-25-2005, 09:23 PM
Wailing is crying. Is crying forbidden? Regardless of the situation that is

No, wailing and crying are not synonamous. Neither in English nor in Arabic. And crying is not forbidden.

http://www.answers.com/wail

Wailing is ostentatious, loud, prolonged, and usually high-pitched. It's an extreme form of crying if you want to think about it that way, exhibition of total despair.

~Serpent~
10-25-2005, 09:26 PM
No, wailing and crying are not synonamous. Neither in English nor in Arabic. And crying is not forbidden.

http://www.answers.com/wail

Wailing is ostentatious, loud, prolonged, and usually high-pitched.


Well they basically are the same thing. One is just more extreme than the other. No need to get into technicalities since i know what wailing is. What about the wailing wall in jerusalem?

SYRIANKID
10-25-2005, 09:29 PM
One is just more extreme than the other.

Bingo, and that makes all the difference.

~Serpent~
10-25-2005, 10:22 PM
Bingo

what did i win? :cool:

SYRIANKID
10-25-2005, 10:29 PM
what did i win? :cool:

1 year's supply of halal steaks
1 white turban
a box of miswaks
and a prayer mat :D

~Serpent~
10-25-2005, 10:30 PM
1 year's supply of halal steaks
1 white turban
a box of miswaks
and a prayer mat :D

haha :P

mick123
11-17-2005, 05:32 AM
do they want all the non-muslims to leave if an islamic state was created?

SYRIANKID
11-17-2005, 05:42 PM
do they want all the non-muslims to leave if an islamic state was created?

No, God has actually revealed laws governing and protecting the rights of non-Muslims living in the Islamic state, they don't have to leave at all, and this has historically been the case.

The Messenger of God (may the peace and blessings of God be upon him) said:

"He who abuses a dhimmi [non-Muslim citizen] then I will be his rival and dispute him on the Day of Judgment."