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imoffg
12-06-2007, 05:38 AM
do you think he will turn out to be a good nfl quarterback? despite him raking as a soph, i still have my doubts.

discuss

Big_Spaz
12-06-2007, 05:46 AM
Just can't hang.

I don't think he's a good enough 'pure passer' right now. He could develop into a better one, but I don't see him being anything that spectacular.





-Spaz

IraHays
12-06-2007, 05:47 AM
Just can't hang.

I don't think he's a good enough 'pure passer' right now.


Yeah, don't let the fact that he is the most proficient passer in college this year fool you.

jcrue11
12-06-2007, 05:51 AM
I think he'll be good because he's such a competitor, no matter where he goes he'll work hard and succeed. Who knows, he could probably be an awesome TE at the pro level if he wasn't projected to be a great QB.

Cramerica
12-06-2007, 06:56 AM
Yeah, don't let the fact that he is the most proficient passer in college this year fool you.

Percy Harvin and wide open receivers are the main reason.

His inability to throw a tight spiral, scout-reported lack of needed mechanics, and slow to read defensive formations are what's going to hurt him for the NFL. That and running every single play in the spread offense from a shotgun formation.

Most of the passes I've seen him throw this year have been to wide open receivers, primarily the best player on the UF team, Percy Harvin. When he throws into tight coverage, he shows sign of trouble. Tight coverage in college football is considered to be open receivers in the NFL.

Mindripper
12-06-2007, 06:59 AM
do you think he will turn out to be a good nfl quarterback? despite him raking as a soph, i still have my doubts.

discuss

There was no good option as a meh NFL QB. I see him like JP Losman, Vince Young, Jon Kitna etc...

hounds
12-06-2007, 07:03 AM
His inability to throw a tight spiral, scout-reported lack of needed mechanics, and slow to read defensive formations are what's going to hurt him for the NFL. That and running every single play in the spread offense from a shotgun formation.

Most of the passes I've seen him throw this year have been to wide open receivers, primarily the best player on the UF team, Percy Harvin. When he throws into tight coverage, he shows sign of trouble. Tight coverage in college football is considered to be open receivers in the NFL.

....exactly what i was going to type. Spread offense QB's dont pan out in the NFL 9 times out of 10, and even when they do (Vince Young) they still struggle to throw the ball. He's an amazing college player no doubt, but that doesnt always translate to NFL success. He would really have to improve his throwing in the next year to have a shot at being a NFL QB.

Cramerica
12-06-2007, 07:05 AM
There was no good option as a meh NFL QB. I see him like JP Losman, Vince Young, Jon Kitna etc...

Especially Vince Young.

There are QB's who are just fantastic in college and are designed to play college ball. But they are just not all there when it comes to being an NFL QB. It's not a knock on them, it's just the way it is.

There are many NFL QB's that have turned out to be successful as a pro that were never paid a whole lot of attention to in college, but they possessed what was needed for the NFL.

IraHays
12-06-2007, 07:08 AM
If you think he has only thrown to wide open recievers, then you need to watch more Gator games.

He has proven:

He can make all the throws required in the NFL.
Has fantastic accuracy.
Is cool under pressure.

You act like he never throws a tight spiral? I'll admit it looks crappy sometimes, but dam, that is hardly a major downfall.

The bottom line there is a good chance Tebow will fail in the NFL, just like any college QB.

But as a sophmore playing his first full season, he has shown nothing to justify the claim that he will not make it. People who say he won't are just guessing.

hounds
12-06-2007, 07:11 AM
He has proven:

He can make all the throws required in the NFL.
Has fantastic accuracy.



not according to the scouting reports all over ESPN... not trying to be a dick just pointing out what i've read

IraHays
12-06-2007, 07:13 AM
not according to the scouting reports all over ESPN... not trying to be a dick just pointing out what i've read

I haven't seen the reports.

The guy has a cannon? Which throw do they say he can't make?

hounds
12-06-2007, 07:17 AM
I haven't seen the reports.

The guy has a cannon? Which throw do they say he can't make?

they sure as hell dont doubt his arm strength.

The main critques they give are like cramerica implied, that he's a system quarterback where all his reads are made for him, he usually only has 1-2 options on a given play. They question his accuracy and delivery the most...but he is only a sophomore so its not like he's done developing

IraHays
12-06-2007, 07:22 AM
The main critques they give are like cramerica implied, that he's a system quarterback where all his reads are made for him, he usually only has 1-2 options on a given play. They question his accuracy and delivery the most...but he is only a sophomore so its not like he's done developing

All QB's are in a system, I've yet to see the vaunted chaos theory offense.

Anyways, you are right about the reads, but that applies to anybody. No one knows how these kids will react to NFL talent and if they will be able make the proper reads. Do you pick Ryan Leaf or Peyton Manning?? It's a crap shoot.

Tebow IS making the proper reads the majority of the time now. And it is something he is working on and will only get better.

How many QB's have had his success as a first year starter in a major conference? (serious question, I'm not sure) The only one coming to mind at the moment is Manning.

Cramerica
12-06-2007, 07:23 AM
they sure as hell dont doubt his arm strength.

The main critques they give are like cramerica implied, that he's a system quarterback where all his reads are made for him, he usually only has 1-2 options on a given play. They question his accuracy and delivery the most...but he is only a sophomore so its not like he's done developing

That's what I've seen in the scouts' reports about Colt Brennan as well.

They question his talent because they question the system he is in. No doubt his accuracy is there, but the system these QB's are in is posing more and more doubt each year.

I'm not going to say I know a whole lot about him, but i know Alex Simth was a stud (no homo) under Urban Meyer in college, but he can't do **** with the 9ers now (and that is probably partly due to his O-line) but now it seems to even be affecting his accuracy. Last time I saw him play MNF against the Seahawks, he was having an extremely difficult time making the simplest 5 yard routine passes. I think overload may have gotten to him, among other things.

That doesn't really pertain to Tebow or Brennan, it's just a sidenote.

Procta
12-06-2007, 07:23 AM
he will be good but not a pro bowler if he is not a life time 2nd sting back-up QB.
Although he could prove me wrong, but looking at the last FL QBs to go pro....

JIGSAW
12-06-2007, 07:24 AM
He can run, he can run with power, and can throw just fine, still ruff around the edges, he needs another year in college, especially with Florida proly being #1 next year...but yeah, probably a Ben Roethlisberger type player with better mobility....IMO.

hounds
12-06-2007, 07:27 AM
All QB's are in a system, I've yet to see the vaunted chaos theory offense.


I LOL'd

Brennen is also a system QB but he makes passing reads on every play, they run 5 WRs out and he looks for every option (from what i've seen and read). What they're saying is that on the designed passes for Tebow he only has 1 or 2 options on where to throw the ball and that makes it a whole lot easier on him....not that theres anything wrong with that, it obviously works

Cramerica
12-06-2007, 07:28 AM
Although he could prove me wrong, but looking at the last FL QBs to go pro....

LOL...I've thought about that too.

Danny Wuerfful, Shane Matthews, Rex Grossman, Chris Leak (who, from what I've heard, is a film room junkie and should consider coaching somewhere in the future).

All great college QB's on high-powered offenses that all were doomed for failure in the pros.

Then again, they were all under Spurrier and Zook, so maybe Meyer will be different for them. But he does run the hell out of that spread. Tough call.

Mindripper
12-06-2007, 07:30 AM
If you think he has only thrown to wide open recievers, then you need to watch more Gator games.

He has proven:

He can make all the throws required in the NFL.
Has fantastic accuracy.
Is cool under pressure.

You act like he never throws a tight spiral? I'll admit it looks crappy sometimes, but dam, that is hardly a major downfall.

The bottom line there is a good chance Tebow will fail in the NFL, just like any college QB.

But as a sophmore playing his first full season, he has shown nothing to justify the claim that he will not make it. People who say he won't are just guessing.

I can't think of a gator QB that has been an Exceptional pro... Not a knock on any one of them as they are fantastic college QB's and a prolific school. If he goes the Peyton Manning route and stays in school for a while he'll have a much better chance @ being productive in the NFL.

hounds
12-06-2007, 07:30 AM
LOL...I've thought about that too.

Danny Wuerfful, Shane Matthews, Rex Grossman, Chris Leak (who, from what I've heard, is a film room junkie and should consider coaching somewhere in the future).


that post just brought back memories of Spurrier bringing in all his "florida guys" to the washington redskins and proceeding to get blown out 3 of every 4 games....i just threw up in my mouth a little

IraHays
12-06-2007, 07:32 AM
Danny Wuerfful, Shane Matthews, Rex Grossman, Chris Leak (who, from what I've heard, is a film room junkie and should consider coaching somewhere in the future).


I don't think anyone was surprised none of the QB's made a big impact in the NFL. (Besides Rex)

Shane, Danny and Chris simply did not have the arm strength.

But the fact that Danny and Shane hung around so long in the NFL is a testament to how talented they were in other areas.

IraHays
12-06-2007, 07:34 AM
I can't think of a gator QB that has been an Exceptional pro...

Seriously, what does that have to do with Tebow at all?

Cramerica
12-06-2007, 07:35 AM
that post just brought back memories of Spurrier bringing in all his "florida guys" to the washington redskins and proceeding to get blown out 3 of every 4 games....i just threw up in my mouth a little

Off topic a little, but remember when Spurrier came into D.C. and the Skins changed their uniforms to that ugly FSU knockoff?

Talk about awkward....

-bt11
12-06-2007, 07:38 AM
If he tries to run it like he does now in the NFL he will get slaughtered. the DE'a are to smart and quick. He isn't as fast as Vick is.

Can't Hang

hounds
12-06-2007, 07:39 AM
Off topic a little, but remember when Spurrier came into D.C. and the Skins changed their uniforms to that ugly FSU knockoff?

Talk about awkward....

that was for the 70th annivers.....i actually still have my Darrell Green jersey from that year, its pretty nice. The pants and the helmet were the main problem, those were just dreadful.

good god spurrier was a bad NFL coach. He single handidly destroyed Patrick Ramsey's career (yes, he would have had one if not for spurrier throwing him to the wolves with no protection his rookie year).

Mindripper
12-06-2007, 07:42 AM
Seriously, what does that have to do with Tebow at all?

Let's see, he is a Gator QB... I can see where it wouldn't be pertinent to this discussion though.

If he stays in school for at least one more year he'd have the best chance to be a decent pro.

IraHays
12-06-2007, 07:42 AM
I was happy when Spurrior failed in the NFL. I was so p*ssed he left Florida.

Cramerica
12-06-2007, 07:43 AM
that was for the 70th annivers.....i actually still have my Darrell Green jersey from that year, its pretty nice. The pants and the helmet were the main problem, those were just dreadful.


Darrell Green...awesome player. One of the oldest players in the league yet was still one of the fastest.

IraHays
12-06-2007, 07:44 AM
If he stays in school for at least one more year he'd have the best chance to be a decent pro.

He has to come back next year, he doesn't have a choice. He didn't redshirt.

Edit: Unless he decides to go Maurice Clarett on us. :)

Mindripper
12-06-2007, 07:45 AM
I was happy when Spurrior failed in the NFL. I was so p*ssed he left Florida.

Urban Meyer is an excellent replacement for Spurrier. Hell Zook wasn't as bad as people made him out to be.

LayItDown
12-06-2007, 07:46 AM
I didn't read all the other posts but i tell you what. I blocked for him in high school and believe me he is the hardest working player in the nation right now. Not only does negativity drive him to do better but the fact is that the prototipical quarterback is starting to change. If a team wants him to drop back and pass then he'll adjust, if they want him to be on his feet more he'll do it. Look at the quarterback for the Vikings, he came from a school where they ran the ball. I think the NFL is an ever-changing system where better athletes on defense are forcing teams to look at mobile quarterbacks. And he actually is gettin a lot better at reading coverages and what not but every quarterback struggles at first. Not sure how he'll do over the long run, but he will definitely go to the NFL.

Mindripper
12-06-2007, 07:48 AM
He has to come back next year, he doesn't have a choice. He didn't redshirt.

Edit: Unless he decides to go Maurice Clarett on us. :)

He'll be back and the Gators will be in contention for another national title. The dude is going to set all kind of records so it will be fun to watch.

Cramerica
12-06-2007, 07:48 AM
Urban Meyer is an excellent replacement for Spurrier. Hell Zook wasn't as bad as people made him out to be.

Zook got the shaft, I felt. But I'm not a fan of UF.

The guy is an awesome recruiter and built that team up to championship team but had to turn it over to someone else. Seems the only thing he got credit for was beating FSU in Tallahassee.....something Spurrier couldn't do. Then again, Spurrier played FSU when the Seminoles were a machine.

IraHays
12-06-2007, 07:49 AM
Urban Meyer is an excellent replacement for Spurrier. Hell Zook wasn't as bad as people made him out to be.

I'm very happy with Urban. But if Spurrior was as young as Urban, I would still take Spurrier.

Zook was not ready to take on the Gator job, and the majority of Gator fans knew it. He will be ready to coach a big time program eventually. I think Illinois is a great place for him to start.

One thing about Zook, no matter where he goes he will bring in talent.

Mindripper
12-06-2007, 07:50 AM
Zook got the shaft, I felt. But I'm not a fan of UF.

The guy is an awesome recruiter and built that team up to championship team but had to turn it over to someone else. Seems the only thing he got credit for was beating FSU one year.....

Well he's terrorizing the Big 10 now. :)

Any discussion of FSU makes me a sad panda. :(

IraHays
12-06-2007, 07:51 AM
He'll be back and the Gators will be in contention for another national title. The dude is going to set all kind of records so it will be fun to watch.

Percy Harvin will be back again too. They are going to be an awesome combo next year. I just hope the defense can get where they need to be to compete for the SEC.

Cramerica
12-06-2007, 07:51 AM
Any discussion of FSU makes me a sad panda. :(

...tell me about it.

Cramerica
12-06-2007, 08:10 AM
Percy Harvin will be back again too. They are going to be an awesome combo next year. I just hope the defense can get where they need to be to compete for the SEC.

Isn't Harvin also just a sophomore? I could be wrong.


But to me, HE'S the guy who makes that offense happen.

IraHays
12-06-2007, 08:15 AM
Isn't Harvin also just a sophomore? I could be wrong.


But to me, HE'S the guy who makes that offense happen.

Yup, he is a true sophomore.

Can't argue with him being a huge part of the offense. He is stupid fast.

Cramerica
12-06-2007, 08:18 AM
Yup, he is a true sophomore.

Can't argue with him being a huge part of the offense. He is stupid fast.

I don't know what Tebow's plans are, but I could see Harvin going into the pros after next year. He's good enough to do it, I think.

IraHays
12-06-2007, 08:19 AM
I don't know what Tebow's plans are, but I could see Harvin going into the pros after next year. He's good enough to do it, I think.

Yeah, I agree. Anyone that fast will be a first round pick. I am curious on how they will use him in the NFL.

Cramerica
12-06-2007, 08:30 AM
Yeah, I agree. Anyone that fast will be a first round pick. I am curious on how they will use him in the NFL.

Not sure, he seems to fit the bill for a few different positions. Also, he seems to be good as a specialist on certain play like screens.

hounds
12-06-2007, 08:49 AM
Isn't Harvin also just a sophomore? I could be wrong.


But to me, HE'S the guy who makes that offense happen.

another fine product of the Virginia public school system.... too bad he got shut down in the state title game by some no name guy that ran a 4.8

he'll be a great pro

rampagefc77
12-06-2007, 08:54 AM
Yeah, don't let the fact that he is the most proficient passer in college this year fool you.

so was vince young, who has the worst mechanics ever. Running QBs run when there isnt someone wide open. That boosts their college stats. Try that in the nfl....

user27629377
12-06-2007, 08:59 AM
He won't be running over defenders in the NFL, thats for sure. Give him time though, he's a sophomore.

joelz54_99
12-06-2007, 09:36 AM
I think Tebow is actually going to be better than anyone expects. His athletcism is amazing.

IraHays
12-06-2007, 09:47 AM
so was vince young, who has the worst mechanics ever. Running QBs run when there isnt someone wide open. That boosts their college stats. Try that in the nfl....

Young was the top rated passer?

Tebow's mechanics are not horrible.

Anyways, why do people think just because a QB can run means they will be crappy in the NFL? What makes you think he would even try to run that way in the NFL? It's pretty irrelevant. Any QB that thinks they might, changes his mind the first day of practice when he realizes the defensive tackle is faster then him.

Mindripper
12-06-2007, 10:07 AM
His size, arm strength and mobility are a huge plus. Big Ben is similair style QB although less mobile and he seems to do just fine.

rampagefc77
12-06-2007, 12:13 PM
Young was the top rated passer?

Tebow's mechanics are not horrible.

Anyways, why do people think just because a QB can run means they will be crappy in the NFL? What makes you think he would even try to run that way in the NFL? It's pretty irrelevant. Any QB that thinks they might, changes his mind the first day of practice when he realizes the defensive tackle is faster then him.

vince young had the highest completion percentage his senior year.

johnny87
12-06-2007, 12:20 PM
Yeah, don't let the fact that he is the most proficient passer in college this year fool you.

people hate on tebow alot. its obvious alot havent even seen him play with all these vince young comparisions...


There was no good option as a meh NFL QB. I see him like JP Losman, Vince Young, Jon Kitna etc...

Vince young is a garbage qb. Insult to kitna.


he will be good but not a pro bowler if he is not a life time 2nd sting back-up QB.
Although he could prove me wrong, but looking at the last FL QBs to go pro....

They all played under Spurriers offense which is tottaly different then meyers. Making any comparision a mute point.

Cramerica
12-06-2007, 12:21 PM
people hate on tebow alot. its obvious alot havent even seen him play with all these vince young comparisions...


I've watched every UF game this year and can see similarities.

GatorsIn09
12-06-2007, 12:25 PM
if tebow stays 2 more years he could be a great passer by then. he is one of the hardest workers in sports. so there really is no point to judge him yet

johnny87
12-06-2007, 12:29 PM
I've watched every UF game this year and can see similarities.

Oh really, Vince young was his teams short yardest back in college?

Tim tebow throws sidearm?

Vince young was a good his sophmore year? (when he was a redshirt sophmore he threw 12 tds and 11 picks. Thats a year older then tebow who threw 29tds and 6 picks)

There is an actual comparision between the two?

The answer to all those questions is no

Mindripper
12-06-2007, 12:33 PM
I've watched every UF game this year and can see similarities.

x2 - He's a unique player but there are some similarities.


Originally Posted by johnny87 - Vince young is a garbage qb. Insult to kitna.

Jon Kitna is very meh as well. Vince Young hasn't played long enough but doesn't seem like the prototype QB to me.


They all played under Spurriers offense which is tottaly different then meyers. Making any comparision a mute point.

Alex Smith and Chris Leak ain't exactly kicking ass and takin names in the NFL.

johnny87
12-06-2007, 12:36 PM
x2 - He's a unique player but there are some similarities.



Jon Kitna is very meh as well. Vince Young hasn't played long enough but doesn't seem like the prototype QB to me.



Alex Smith and Chris Leak ain't exactly kicking ass and takin names in the NFL.

Jon kitna is a good qb. His first full year 23 tds and 16 ints. Vince young blows. as he cant throw more tds then ints.

Meyer didnt even recruit Chris leak. Just stop talking.

Mindripper
12-06-2007, 12:36 PM
Oh really, Vince young was his teams short yardest back in college?

Tim tebow throws sidearm?

Vince young was a good his sophmore year? (when he was a redshirt sophmore he threw 12 tds and 11 picks. Thats a year older then tebow who threw 29tds and 6 picks)

There is an actual comparision between the two?

The answer to all those questions is no

Easy there pal. He said similair not exactly the same.

Are they both big mobile physical QB's? Do they both throw their share of wounded ducks? Do they both use their feet close to goal line? YES, YES and YES.

johnny87
12-06-2007, 12:41 PM
Easy there pal. He said similair not exactly the same.

Are they both big mobile physical QB's? Do they both throw their share of wounded ducks? Do they both use their feet close to goal line? YES, YES and YES.

half the league is big mobile qbs. Your grasping at straws.

Vince young was garbage is REDSHIRT sophmore year. Tebow is winning the heisman is sophmore year. no comparision.

Mindripper
12-06-2007, 12:44 PM
Jon kitna has lead the league in passing. Something Vince young will never do. as he cant throw more tds then ints.

Meyer didnt even recruit Chris leak. Just stop talking.

Umm... You should STFU.

Jon Kitna career QB rating... 77.5 (wow all pro **** right there, NOT); led the NFL is passing is sort of generic; you mean yards? Cause the year he did that he threw more picks than TD's. (You see a pattern here?)

Meyer didn't recruit him but he was good enough to be the starter under Meyer...

I notice you didn't respond to Alex Smith. A pure product of Meyer's system who seems destined to be another meh QB.

And this is no hate to Urban Meyer, he's a great coach but his system doesn't translate into NFL success for the QB position.

johnny87
12-06-2007, 12:47 PM
Umm... You should STFU.

Jon Kitna career QB rating... 77.5 (wow all pro **** right there, NOT); led the NFL is passing is sort of generic; you mean yards? Cause the year he did that he threw more picks than TD's. (You see a pattern here?)

Meyer didn't recruit him but he was good enough to be the starter under Meyer...

I notice you didn't respond to Alex Smith. A pure product of Meyer's system who seems destined to be another meh QB.

And this is no hate to Urban Meyer, he's a great coach but his system doesn't translate into NFL success for the QB position.



Your whole arguement is leak was good enough to start under Meyer? Well maybe, he didnt want to take the heat of replacing a senior QB who has started his whole carreer with a true freshman. That being his 1st year on the job and all. Leak didnt fit Meyers prototypical QB at all which he needs for his system

The reason Alex smith isnt good is because his hands are too small to grip onto the NFL sized football.

Your whole arguement fails badly.

cman1787
12-06-2007, 12:53 PM
gimmicky offenses are killing qb's. tebow might make a good TE though

Mindripper
12-06-2007, 12:53 PM
half the league is big mobile qbs. Your grasping at straws.

Vince young was garbage is REDSHIRT sophmore year. Tebow is winning the heisman is sophmore year. no comparision.

We're talking about college and how it translates in the NFL. Gimme a break with the 'Your grasping at straws bit'. It has zero to do with the demographic of big mobile QB's in the NFL. It was a comparison of Vince Young and Tim Tebow. You jumped in saying the was no comparison and I'm sorry but that's total BS.

Perhaps you can offer some sort of objective arguement other than Tim Tebow is better as a Soph QB than Vince Young...

Look at Vince Young his senior year and look at Tim Tebow now? See any things that are simair?

johnny87
12-06-2007, 12:57 PM
We're talking about college and how it translates in the NFL. Gimme a break with the 'Your grasping at straws bit'. It has zero to do with the demographic of big mobile QB's in the NFL. It was a comparison of Vince Young and Tim Tebow. You jumped in saying the was no comparison and I'm sorry but that's total BS.

Perhaps you can offer some sort of objective arguement other than Tim Tebow is better as a Soph QB than Vince Young...

Look at Vince Young his senior year and look at Tim Tebow now? See any things that are simair?

I dont see how its really fair to compare Vince young when he was what 23? to tebow when he is 20.

But if you want

tebow 51 tds
Young 38 tds.

Tebow is still better.

Cramerica
12-06-2007, 01:03 PM
Here's some pretty good analysis' of Tebow pertaining to how he might do in teh NFL....oddly enough from a Gator forum.



He's perfect for Urban Meyer's system, and the entire offense is geared around him, but unless an NFL team wants Vick without the playmaking ability to be the focal point of their offense, I just don't see the talent translating to the NFL. The fact that Florida draws it up for him to run 20 times a game make it fairly likely that teams are surprised when he throws it. He just relies too much on gimmicks and gadget plays to have success throwing and his ability to just run guys over with the space he gets in that Spread Offense to be an effective runner. Neither of those will be there in the NFL unless some of you can remember the last time you saw a jump-pass for a TD or can rememeber a QB who used the "hard step forward" as a playaction fake for himself

I know he can't throw tight spirals at all, but I never thought about this and the fact the SEC doesn't schedule games up north:

he's good and they call great plays for him, but he cant even throw a spiral. passes like that are not gonna cut through the wind up in the northern half of the country. probably another great college QB that is just not NFL talent.


All very valid and as a UF fan I hope he makes it as a QB on Sundays. But the NFL is another game all together. Think of all the QBs who absolutely demolished HS and college records and never smelled the grass on Sundays. The list is long... Crouch, Ward, and the most notable Wuerffel. And think of the below the radar to somewhat successful ones in college who are incredible on the NFL level. Steve Young, Brady, TGreen, and someone like Cutler. I think when it comes to the NFL a quick release and true mechanics is right up there with decision making maybe more than what their legs can do. Years ago I watched UF demolish Syracuse and the one QB who played second fiddle to the Gator QBs was a guy named McNabb. I think its the one hitch in Tebow's game that he needs to perfect before he can trully flourish. Can the guy get any better though?

Mindripper
12-06-2007, 01:05 PM
I dont see how its really fair to compare Vince young when he was what 23? to tebow when he is 20.

But if you want

tebow 51 tds
Young 38 tds.

Tebow is still better.

Who said anything about BETTER? Of course Tebow is better; he's best fukking player in the country! He's awesome but that doesn't preclude him from sharing traits with other QB's.

Perhaps you don't know how to use the word compare in a discussion?


compare - Compare is used with to suggest similarity