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2KOOL
09-23-2005, 03:08 PM
Tore this muscle a couple of weeks back reefing on 80 lb dumbells. Let it alone.. worked through other body parts for rest of week without problems. When I went back to heavey Bi's again.... ( 2 bi workouts later?? ) it tore again?? Should I be warming up more? I'm 39 and it's annoying

Thanks

it's only on a hammer style movement where it's tearing...

Baldsnake
09-24-2005, 04:43 AM
STOP

It takes more time to heal at 39 than it did when you were 16. Scratch your forearm on something and a week later you still have a scab. When you were 16 it scabbed, healed and fell off in 2 days. Try 65 young buckaroo. I scratch my arm or get a muscle tear and it takes two weeks for the scab to fall off and up to 6 months for the tear to heal. And, I don't have that many 6 month periods left in my bag....if ya know what I mean.

Give it two weeks. Ice it after every workout for 20 min. Third week sissy it with small (like 10 pounders) then back to normal. If you still feel a twing...another week of ice and rest.

cmoore
09-24-2005, 01:25 PM
Is this a tear or a strain? A torn brachialis may require medical/surgical intervention. Muscle strains, on the other hand, will heal at a rate dependent on your activity level and ability to resist reinjury during the healing period.

Typically a strain will respond best to ice the first few days (to reduce swelling) and then alternating ice and heat (increase circulation) after that. Some people also find that light compression (from something like a neoprene sleeve) also helps.

The brachialis muscle is a primary elbow flexor. It is not possible to totally remove it from a curling exercise. Supinated (aka palms up) type curls will allow more biceps brachii recruitment but the brachialis will still fire and see tension. Basically, you cant work your biceps and still totally rest your brachialis. Hammer style and reverse curl type movements reduce the amount of biceps involvement and therefore increase the amount of work/tension required of the brachialis. This is why it hurts more than a "palms up" curl.

HTH and GL

rizay
09-24-2005, 01:38 PM
STOP

It takes more time to heal at 39 than it did when you were 16. Scratch your forearm on something and a week later you still have a scab. When you were 16 it scabbed, healed and fell off in 2 days. Try 65 young buckaroo. I scratch my arm or get a muscle tear and it takes two weeks for the scab to fall off and up to 6 months for the tear to heal. And, I don't have that many 6 month periods left in my bag....if ya know what I mean.

Give it two weeks. Ice it after every workout for 20 min. Third week sissy it with small (like 10 pounders) then back to normal. If you still feel a twing...another week of ice and rest.
Listen to the man, his wisdom rings true...

2KOOL
09-25-2005, 12:06 PM
sweet info!

but it's not tore bad enough where it swells or anything.. it's just a very sharp 'ripping' feeling. Let me explain that this happened ( or re-injurred) this past Friday.. like 3 days ago and today I feel "Nothing" at that spot.. not even when pushing in with my fingers in that area on the sides of my bi's...at the side of the elbow joint.. so it's something minor but painful enough that when it tears you're toast at that time... like before I was able to continue with the rest of my exercises. even preacher bench single dumbell concentration curls... 'as long' as I helped that one arm alot with my free arm. Since Friday.. I finished my 6 day routine with Shoulders Sat.. with "no" hesitation.. back to Chest tomorrow.. ( Sunday is my only day off and I'm Jones'ing to workout even today at 39 yrs of age.. WARRIOR!!!! ) all at a natural all season 7-8% bodyfat

JTrain306
09-25-2005, 01:01 PM
sweet info!

but it's not tore bad enough where it swells or anything.. it's just a very sharp 'ripping' feeling. Let me explain that this happened ( or re-injurred) this past Friday.. like 3 days ago and today I feel "Nothing" at that spot.. not even when pushing in with my fingers in that area on the sides of my bi's...at the side of the elbow joint..

Please rest! Even when an injury is no longer painful it still hasn't fully healed yet. I recently took 8 weeks off due to a back injury, and believe me, it was no fun not working out, but this past week I've been back at the gym and I'm at it like no ones business. Rest, heal, and prepare your body for the massive beating it's going to take when you do get back into the gym and have that all that adrenaline from the anticipation of working out again. It will be worth it in the end, and after all, isn't that what it's all about? :)

Not saying you necessarily need to take 2 months off... my injury was a little extreme and I wanted to be sure I was fully recovered before going at it again, but maybe like 7-10 days off... hard for me to "diagnose" you anything since this is just an internet message board ;)

2KOOL
09-25-2005, 02:23 PM
thanks... but even on my day off today, I'm dyn'n to be doing something training related . I'll continue with the rest of my training for this week.. and see how it feels when I start my Bi workout on Friday.... light with lots of warm ups. When I do back on Tuesday, I'll know if there's anything there again... weired how it disappeared for a couple weeks and then suddenly went again last week, but I remember I was doing heavy preacher curls with the bar... when I felt a slight twitch... a couple of reps later it was fully tore again.. had to drop the weight

pict
09-26-2005, 04:49 AM
i tore mine 2 years ago. it does not limit me in any way now, but i am always aware of it. i can "feel" it when i do curls, i assume it's scar tissue. i would recommend ice after training, and motrin.
since i turned 40 everything takes longer to heal, but it does heal.

paulclayton
09-26-2005, 01:40 PM
that "ripping feeling" sound painfull I would think if it was tore you would need surgury or something.

2KOOL
09-26-2005, 01:49 PM
Thanks Guys.. let me take it easy on bi's this week and see what's up.. there's a bit of a feeling in there still today and I have to do back tomorrow.. I'll know more tomorrow when doing chins etc...

I can't see it requiring surgery... I'm too old school for that... out will come the tackle box and 10lb stren if necessary L!

jaguarr
09-26-2005, 02:17 PM
If you felt or heard any kind of tearing or popping noise in conjunction with the pain, then you need to STOP lifting right now and get into the doctor and get it checked out. You run the serious risk of REALLY FUBARING yourself good and proper and possibly never being able to lift ever again if it's injured and you keep cranking away on it, thus causing even more damage and bringing you to a point of irreparablity. Err on the side of caution, as the saying goes.

jag

2KOOL
09-26-2005, 07:47 PM
Man... where were you when Arnold said... WORK THROUGH DA PAIN

Guys completely blow out their chests... and workout on bruises.... it's a trear man.... it'll heal.... L!

but I will be careful and see if it's going to pull again.. I'll feel the little tightness and stop immediately..not try to work through it until it just rips again and weights fall to the floor

JTrain306
09-26-2005, 10:47 PM
Man... where were you when Arnold said... WORK THROUGH DA PAIN

Hey now, it's old news that politicians lie ;)

But seriously, don't work through the pain

2KOOL
10-04-2005, 02:10 PM
i tore mine 2 years ago. it does not limit me in any way now, but i am always aware of it. i can "feel" it when i do curls, i assume it's scar tissue. i would recommend ice after training, and motrin.
since i turned 40 everything takes longer to heal, but it does heal.


Bro.... How long did it take to heal? Last week I was able to do really light bi curls ( very very slow and I got a wicked burn / pump ) and I didn't tear it again. Before I even tried to do any kind of bi movement I did rows, and haning chins ( no pulling up as I could feel it again immediately when I tried - I'm stuburn as hell).... this week I'm passing on back today and waiting til Friday to do some back and light bi's again... tryin to rest it but still keep blood in that area... All other excercises haven't been affected at all.. did heavy chest, shoulders etc... it's only the HAMMER curling motion that I can feel my arms aren't ready for again. It's right around the front of the elbow and up the outter side of the bi where I tore It on the one side now twice.. I feel the opposite arm suffered some straing as well, although not torn,

thanks for everyone's advice

pict
10-05-2005, 04:48 AM
it gave me problems for about six weeks. we have a farm so i didn't really rest it like i should have.
i can still tell that i have some scar tissue in there. it doesn't hurt but i'm "aware" when i lift (sorry if the description is vague).
after i felt confident again, i put more focus on hammer and reverse curls. i believe that my biceps were over developed for what my brachiallus(sic) could handle. i don't have any real problems out of that arm anymore.
i'm probably not the best person to consult on rehabing an injury. i tend to ice things, take motrin, wrap them, and do what i want to.
i continued to throw with a torn tendon in my right forearm for a year. that still gives me problems. i CAN"T do a straight barbell curl without pain. i continued to drive on at a time when it hurt to pick up my coffee cup in the morning.
i have an obsessive personality, and i'm lucky i haven't been injured very often. i have been lifting since i was a teen, so i've had a few injuries in 30 years.
i guess i still have that old school "don't be a baby" attitude. so far it hasn't bit me in the butt, too bad. it probably has to more do with good genetics than anything i've done.

2KOOL
10-05-2005, 06:16 AM
it gave me problems for about six weeks. we have a farm so i didn't really rest it like i should have.
i can still tell that i have some scar tissue in there. it doesn't hurt but i'm "aware" when i lift (sorry if the description is vague).
after i felt confident again, i put more focus on hammer and reverse curls. i believe that my biceps were over developed for what my brachiallus(sic) could handle. i don't have any real problems out of that arm anymore.
i'm probably not the best person to consult on rehabing an injury. i tend to ice things, take motrin, wrap them, and do what i want to.
i continued to throw with a torn tendon in my right forearm for a year. that still gives me problems. i CAN"T do a straight barbell curl without pain. i continued to drive on at a time when it hurt to pick up my coffee cup in the morning.
i have an obsessive personality, and i'm lucky i haven't been injured very often. i have been lifting since i was a teen, so i've had a few injuries in 30 years.
i guess i still have that old school "don't be a baby" attitude. so far it hasn't bit me in the butt, too bad. it probably has to more do with good genetics than anything i've done.



I think we need a blood test? "BRO" is that you ?? LOL!

same here... and I'll continue to work 'around' this set back... As mentioned, I'm AWARE so I know what I can and can't do at this point, and will take your info and look forward to 6 weeks from now and this thing being back to normal. I just hate not being able to do pullups or hammer curls as that works the bulk of your arm muscles. Like you, and in my case, 'starting back so quick after a long layoff' my brachialis must not have been as ready as my bi's for the weight I was trying to throw around... which for the record is as much as I used to at 205lbs... now I'm only 170.... no brainer, but stuburn.


thanks again.... will do very very light bi's curls this week REALLY concentrated and slow to get a good pump without causing too much stress on the Brach's

pict
10-05-2005, 11:52 AM
i've found i can usually sub one exercise or another to find a way around my problems. the chins are ne of the exercises i can still feel i had an issue with the brachs. it took a while to do those with any confidence. i never had another "blow out", but it was in the back of my mind for a while.

Addohm
04-20-2012, 09:48 AM
Is this a tear or a strain? A torn brachialis may require medical/surgical intervention. Muscle strains, on the other hand, will heal at a rate dependent on your activity level and ability to resist reinjury during the healing period.

Typically a strain will respond best to ice the first few days (to reduce swelling) and then alternating ice and heat (increase circulation) after that. Some people also find that light compression (from something like a neoprene sleeve) also helps.

The brachialis muscle is a primary elbow flexor. It is not possible to totally remove it from a curling exercise. Supinated (aka palms up) type curls will allow more biceps brachii recruitment but the brachialis will still fire and see tension. Basically, you cant work your biceps and still totally rest your brachialis. Hammer style and reverse curl type movements reduce the amount of biceps involvement and therefore increase the amount of work/tension required of the brachialis. This is why it hurts more than a "palms up" curl.

HTH and GL

This guy is EXACTLY tight, to the letter.

I strained my brachialis at the end of January. I tried to work through it but it just progressively got worse and worse every week. Finally I'd had enough of the excruciating pain and just took a week off. It got better, but I quickly reinjured it doing T-Bar Rows. Yes, a back workout. In fact, wide grip pull ups, or wide grip pull downs were out of the question. Hammer curls or supinated curls were out of the question. There were several workouts that I just could not do, due to the pain. I eventually just figured out that I needed to do low weight\high reps to keep the muscle shape while I recover. I SHOULD HAVE STOPPED doing ANY workouts that recuited the bracialis use until it was FULLY healed. I regret this even to today. It is incredibly prone now to re-strain.

Had I known then what I know now, I would have done it right despite competition prep.

Adam

alexwhyte
04-22-2014, 12:24 PM
This guy is EXACTLY tight, to the letter.

I strained my brachialis at the end of January. I tried to work through it but it just progressively got worse and worse every week. Finally I'd had enough of the excruciating pain and just took a week off. It got better, but I quickly reinjured it doing T-Bar Rows. Yes, a back workout. In fact, wide grip pull ups, or wide grip pull downs were out of the question. Hammer curls or supinated curls were out of the question. There were several workouts that I just could not do, due to the pain. I eventually just figured out that I needed to do low weight\high reps to keep the muscle shape while I recover. I SHOULD HAVE STOPPED doing ANY workouts that recuited the bracialis use until it was FULLY healed. I regret this even to today. It is incredibly prone now to re-strain.

Had I known then what I know now, I would have done it right despite competition prep.

Adam

CMOORE and adam are DEAD RIGHT. wish I'd have read this a year ago. but I didn't know it was Brachioradialis a year ago. Tore mine over a year ago and couldn't do a thing for months. For the first few weeks I couldn't even dress myself or brush my teeth. I thought Id damaged my elbow or a ligament.

All the things you've mentioned made it worse/almost brought me to tears, rows, chins, hammers... even holding my phone to my ear made it burn.


Anyway, old thread I know - but how has everyone's injuries came along since?? What did you do for rehab?


Many thanks

CFPeterson68
04-22-2014, 12:37 PM
Tore mine last summer. Got a nasty bruise from the bleeding too. (Saw the PT at work, she didn't help much). Doctor generally won't help unless you can't do your job or something. Its not like you tore your whole briachialis, just like a few "threads". Doesn't mean it doesn't hurt like a bitch. A tear is a long term recovery thing... 6 months maybe or more to be back to normal. Get ready for a long rehab with it. Lay off it for a few weeks, then start back with super super light weights and stretching. Play it by ear, but work back up to your old working weight over time. If you ever feel it "complain" back off.

LANDINOSCAR
02-07-2016, 07:41 AM
I have pain in right arm but the other day doing curls I heard a pop in my left arm. Going to doctors tomorrow. The pain is in same spots on both arms. Am I doing my curls incorrectly? I'm 47, should I try using this sleeve for support? Don't know much about it. Please any advice would be great I'm missing my workouts, thanks.

eubgeorge
11-10-2016, 10:25 AM
I torn mine on 75 dum hammer curls too. The more you do hammer curls, the worst it gets. My advice, don't do hammer curls PERIOD. It's just not worth it.

RicoThrower
11-04-2017, 02:35 PM
I have pain in right arm but the other day doing curls I heard a pop in my left arm. Going to doctors tomorrow. The pain is in same spots on both arms. Am I doing my curls incorrectly? I'm 47, should I try using this sleeve for support? Don't know much about it. Please any advice would be great I'm missing my workouts, thanks.

What did the Dr end up saying?

AncientWhisper
02-11-2019, 03:13 PM
Hey guys I have been suffering from something very similar.
I have a sharp pain in my right forearm just on the inside of my elbow area there. Sharp pain only happens when I have my wrist in a position to hammer curl and the pain sets in about halfway on the way down from the hammer curl. I can normal curl fine, it’s so weird but as soon as I’m in a hammer curl motion it sets in.
Physio said I tore some fibers in the brachioradialis and that it’s healed but my brain still thinks it’s torn and is trying to protect the muscle. It does so by deactivating the brachial and uses weaker supporting muscles which cannot handle the job as well. These weaker muscles then put pressure on the nerve and this causes the pain.
She says I’m ok to do any workouts that don’t cause pain and that if it does flare up I’m not actually causing any harm to my arm just “picking a scab” as she phrased it.
It’s been two weeks of me curling 8-10 lbs for about 4 sets of 10 everyday to try to rehabilitate the arm. Still barely made any progress in weight increase. Starting to feel very discouraged by now as hitting the gym was my outlet for coping with my anxiety.
Now without the gym regularly in my life everything’s starting to spin out of control. Could really use some sound advice or information on getting this thing healed up quick. Did chest two days ago and that didn’t hurt but now when I curl the 10 lbs for my rehab pain sets in. Thinking I tired out the muscles doing chest and now they can’t even curl the 10’s. Fml man seriously this is such a terrible injury.