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wiglaf
07-04-2005, 02:56 AM
http://www.erichufschmid.net/WhatToDoWithTheUSA.html

wade1226
07-04-2005, 03:01 AM
From the link:

Nearly one-third of the American population is former African slaves or Mexican servants.
Wow, I was unaware of these former slaves. That must be some kind of longevity record, considering slavery ended 140 years ago.

EAE
07-04-2005, 03:04 AM
What's up with this pic: http://www.erichufschmid.net/IllegalAlien.PNG ?

RU4A69
07-04-2005, 03:07 AM
http://www.erichufschmid.net/WhatToDoWithTheUSA.html


It's the Fourth of July-where's your decency?

Illuminati
07-04-2005, 03:08 AM
Interesting. The writer however assumes that 'american' people somehow suffer from a moral failing found in no other people- while the reality is that everyone suffers from the same moral failings- greed being the biggest one. The problem with america is it's capitalism gone wrong, plain and simple.

Lars21
07-04-2005, 08:58 AM
Interesting. The writer however assumes that 'american' people somehow suffer from a moral failing found in no other people- while the reality is that everyone suffers from the same moral failings- greed being the biggest one. The problem with america is it's capitalism gone wrong, plain and simple.

Yeah, stupid capitalism really screwed up the US. Now the US has to be the most powerful nation in the world. We should have jumped on board with the Commies when we had the chance.

sticklegs
07-04-2005, 09:04 AM
Interesting. The writer however assumes that 'american' people somehow suffer from a moral failing found in no other people- while the reality is that everyone suffers from the same moral failings- greed being the biggest one. The problem with america is it's capitalism gone wrong, plain and simple.

you do know that most settlements in the "US" were communes in the begging. Things changed pretty quickly when large numbers would die becuase of lack of supplies.

what is your definition of greed?

The Bassist
07-04-2005, 09:32 AM
A little radical, but interesting nonetheless. I do agree with the author's point that a large majority of the american public are frighteningly ignorant with regards to world events, politics, foreign relations and such.

agcrisco
07-04-2005, 12:37 PM
you do know that most settlements in the "US" were communes in the begging. Things changed pretty quickly when large numbers would die becuase of lack of supplies.

what is your definition of greed?

Dont feed the troll.

Starsky
07-04-2005, 02:33 PM
Interesting. The writer however assumes that 'american' people somehow suffer from a moral failing found in no other people- while the reality is that everyone suffers from the same moral failings- greed being the biggest one. The problem with america is it's capitalism gone wrong, plain and simple.


Capitalism is the freedom to make up your own decisions. Oh my god, the people actually have freedom...what are we going to do?


They have the freedom to voluntarily make a product, sell it, and have someone else voluntarily buy it. What EVIL!!! Tell that to the people eating humans and rats in socialists countries, that they need to keep the evil of American WalMarts out of their countries.


Capitalism is about making up your own mind and pursuing your own dreams. It has created the greatest antidote to human suffering in the existence of humanity, and promoted the freedom of people not to be controlled like cattle. Ill take Capitalism over some council deciding 500,000 things I can or cant do, for my own protection, and to protect me from achieving my dream.

Illuminati
07-04-2005, 03:34 PM
Capitalism is the freedom to make up your own decisions. Oh my god, the people actually have freedom...what are we going to do?


They have the freedom to voluntarily make a product, sell it, and have someone else voluntarily buy it. What EVIL!!! Tell that to the people eating humans and rats in socialists countries, that they need to keep the evil of American WalMarts out of their countries.


Capitalism is about making up your own mind and pursuing your own dreams. It has created the greatest antidote to human suffering in the existence of humanity, and promoted the freedom of people not to be controlled like cattle. Ill take Capitalism over some council deciding 500,000 things I can or cant do, for my own protection, and to protect me from achieving my dream.


Yes congratulations, you described capitalism. Notice how I said it was 'capitalism gone wrong'? These days, absolutely anything that makes money, no matter how idiotic or morally wrong, is jumped upon and exploited. Plastic surgery is a great example.. the latest tv reality shows are another.. we regularly sell out our health and the environment because large cooperations have the money to bribe us, and in america, the allmighty dollar is more important than god, your healthy, or anything else.

Lars21
07-04-2005, 03:44 PM
Yes congratulations, you described capitalism. Notice how I said it was 'capitalism gone wrong'? These days, absolutely anything that makes money, no matter how idiotic or morally wrong, is jumped upon and exploited. Plastic surgery is a great example.. the latest tv reality shows are another.. we regularly sell out our health and the environment because large cooperations have the money to bribe us, and in america, the allmighty dollar is more important than god, your healthy, or anything else.

Corporations not cooperations. Yeah, those evil corporations sure do screw us. How dare they provide a service or product that is obviously in demand.

Runnin12
07-04-2005, 05:42 PM
Original poster- I read the whole damn article, took a good 20 min. I have to agree with a lot of what he said, I have been saying the same thing for years. I am baffled at how stupid people could be.

Take 9-11. Its so obvous to anyone with a head on their shoulders that our government failed us. Our government corruption was put on display infront of the world. If our gov wasnt corrupt, such a tragedy wouldn't of even happened. Our gov was so corrupt they couldnt even enforce some basic laws or even communicate with other agencies. They had to succum to political correctness legislated by the people. If it was up to me after witnessing 9-11, I would of overthrown the whole damn government. Its all corrupt and dirty. Ofcourse our government officials put on their acting masks and acted really sad about what happened and the media throws into the whole patriotic banding together role and people let it go. This is outrageous!

Take President Bush, a pawn to the government corruption. Just another bitch to corporate America. Instead of addressing and fixing the real problems, he just lets it go.

#1-Illegal Immigration. He puts on an act on tv and says hes trying to fix the matter by adding more border patrol agents and more money. But the reality is he doesnt give a **** one way or the other. Our immigration policy sucks and our borders are open. The businesses obvously support the cheap labor and hire these people. Instead of putting heavy fines on businesses like he should, and reforming the ****ty laws regarding our immigration policy he just sits there like a dumbass not caring one way or the other. In a lot of cases illegal immigrants who commit a crime on US soil are entitled to a lawyer under US law! Its pathetic. By just doing these 2 things we would dramatically reduce the illegal immigration. If they cant find a job they will go back to mexico by themselves. As for the rest of them, you can put up an electric fence and more border patrol after you fixed the internal problem. You have to fix the foundation of the law before that can work.

#2- Legal immigration. Instead of having our immigration policy geared towards white european judeo christian nations that share the same beliefs as the majority of americans we immigrate people from other countries. Primarily from more hostile countries that do not share our beliefs such as the middle east, china, and poor countries etc. Whats going to happen when whites become the minority in America? We will end up having a radical islamic president if things keep going this way.

#2- Government accountability- Same problems as usual. No fiscal responsibility whatsoever. The gov is just one big credit card spend spend spend, borrow borrow borrow. Its not like we have to pay it back. Lets just ignore our 7 trillion dallor deficeit.

#3- Big Government - I would have to say 75% of our government we dont even need. They dont accomplish anything they only make **** worse. No communication, everything is slow due. Just a waste of money that could go to other causes. As for the employees, put them to do something useful instead of just being a wasted resource.

My personal opinion on why America is so corrupt

It all starts in 3 places : Family, School, Media.

#1- For the most part its your family that raises you and greatly effects the person you are and the way you think. You can either be raised at an early age and given values, a defined sense of right and wrong. An upbringing of discipline, responsibility, and love.

Or you can be raised with no family structure whatsoever. You can be raised in a disfunctional family that doesnt care enough to discipline you. They will let you run wild without any responsibility or a sense of right and wrong. You will grow up and carry this mindset as an adult. You will just grow up to question authority and hate any type of rules or discipline.

#2- Education - The Public education system is responsible for educating the vast majority of Americans which is primarily liberal. There is liberal propaganda and indoctrination. I have experienced this ever since I was in kindergarten up to today, in college. I was taught at a young age as early as first grade the Martin Luther King was a maytyr against the evil white man. I should of been taught to look up to people like Thomas Jefferson or George Washington but I would be shunned upon if I asked about them. However the brainwashing was pretty moderate liberal propaganda in my school career up to highschool. Besides little things every now and then like students calling a teacher a fu.cking bitch for not being able to use a computer and hearing the word No, the behavior was tolerated. I didnt notice the brainwashing on an everyday basis. Such little things as this is sending the message that such behavior is ok. But maybe I didnt notice the brainwashing because i was so absorbed with chasing some nice warm pussy instead of my studies, which was generally brought on by the constant barrage of sexual images by the media which just added fuel to the fire. Ofcourse the school provided sexual education course didnt make things any better by telling me its completely normal to masturbate and have sex just as long as I use a condom.

In my film class senior year ofcourse we only watched civil rights movies that stood up the the evil injustice of the horrible white man. Not once did a see a movie in which the white man did a noble thing.

I graduated, and I moved on to college. It was standard procedure for teachers just to bluntly tell their political beliefs. In my english class my teacher show a propaganda video of how the palestineans were "forced" to live in camps for 30 years by the evil israelies. This was standard practice. Not only that but they are constantly lowering standards. Look at the no child left behind act, it just lets schools pass the dumbasses that didnt even work or deserve to be passed. And they are sending them into the world with an "education".

This is the same public education system the is "educating" 90 percent of Americans. They are all the people that will vote in our elections. The majority of which are corrupted by liberal propaganda and are taught to hate everything against the liberal agenda and to elect corrupted people like Bush or Kerry. Instead of taking responsibility and learning discipline and being accountable they are taught that everything is ok and you can be a dumbass and succeed. Now if all these people have this way of thinking do you think they are going to vote for a responsible person? Where do you think America is going to go if this continues? Only 40 years of liberal brainwashing and America is going to ****. It movies fast.

#3- The Media - Everything in the media is baised, Republican or democrat. They are all trying to push their agenda on you. They are constantly fighting for your mind and trying to pitch their beliefs on you. I cant even watch the news its so bad.

Instead on focusing on the real problems of America they would rather cover and talk about the Micheal Jackson trail day in and day out, and just repeat what we already know. Or they would rather talk about Bennifer or JLOs ass. If thats not bad enough they put crap on tv like Jerry Springer or Maury just targeted to complete idiots on welfare. They are "dumbifying" America. The majority of American citizens are just dumb sheep and can be easily manipulated and told what to do. Its only a small minority that actually keep on top of things and their politicains. I strongly believe in life you should constantly try to improve your self as a person, and work hard and not concentrate on superficiality and not only shallow things as partying day in and day out or getting an ass lift. Always trying to do whats right. Thats why you see people like Dr Phil soaring in popularity because you will be dead if you concentrate on stupid **** like JLO or why doesnt bob or susie like me.

The bottom line is when you elect corrupt creeps your going to pay for it. Just look at the situation in Iraq. If you are to elect a more responsible person like a Ronald Reagen type we wouldnt be in this mess. Instead of blaming Bush blame yourself for electing such a dumbass.

PowerSwede
07-04-2005, 05:49 PM
It's the Fourth of July-where's your decency?

**** THE USA!

(song from the Exploited)

Just thought you should keep an open mind, the day, the flag, it means nothing when every action is limiting the freedom of the citizens.

Remembrance of the freedom the French gave you is treated by a spit in their faces and another sign off of another freedom.

****ing pathetic if you ask me.

PowerSwede
07-04-2005, 05:58 PM
Dont feed the troll.

Throughout ALL threads i have seen you in, the only valuable input you ever made was in the thread where you acknowledged where you thought that women are below men and that your wife will have to abide by your wishes.

I find you a sickening little troll, but that is all you are, a women hating troll!

fireman_x
07-04-2005, 09:45 PM
Take 9-11. Its so obvous to anyone with a head on their shoulders that our government failed us. Our government corruption was put on display infront of the world. If our gov wasnt corrupt, such a tragedy wouldn't of even happened. Our gov was so corrupt they couldnt even enforce some basic laws or even communicate with other agencies. They had to succum to political correctness legislated by the people.


Please explain how the CIA and FBI refusing to share information had anything to do with politically correctness. It seems that the two agencies were to arrogant and each viewed themselves to be more important than the other and thus with a lack of total information 9/11 occurred.



Take President Bush, a pawn to the government corruption. Just another bitch to corporate America. Instead of addressing and fixing the real problems, he just lets it go.

#1-Illegal Immigration. He puts on an act on tv and says hes trying to fix the matter by adding more border patrol agents and more money. But the reality is he doesnt give a **** one way or the other. Our immigration policy sucks and our borders are open. The businesses obvously support the cheap labor and hire these people. Instead of putting heavy fines on businesses like he should, and reforming the ****ty laws regarding our immigration policy he just sits there like a dumbass not caring one way or the other. In a lot of cases illegal immigrants who commit a crime on US soil are entitled to a lawyer under US law! Its pathetic. By just doing these 2 things we would dramatically reduce the illegal immigration. If they cant find a job they will go back to mexico by themselves. As for the rest of them, you can put up an electric fence and more border patrol after you fixed the internal problem. You have to fix the foundation of the law before that can work.


As someone that lives in a border state it's been evident for years that the border has been a joke. I'm quite certain that Bush will not do anything to impede the flow of illegal immigration during the remainder of his term.



#2- Legal immigration. Instead of having our immigration policy geared towards white european judeo christian nations that share the same beliefs as the majority of americans we immigrate people from other countries. Primarily from more hostile countries that do not share our beliefs such as the middle east, china, and poor countries etc. Whats going to happen when whites become the minority in America? We will end up having a radical islamic president if things keep going this way.


You seem to fit the stereotype of the typical xenophobic American. The immigration policy is in favor of Western Europeans and has been for a very long time. It's far easier for a German to get a Visa than a Brazilian, but you should ask yourself why would Western Europeans want to move to the US. They already enjoy a high standard of living in their countries and moving to the US would only better their lives marginally at best. On the other hand people from poor countries (as you put it) are usually very hard workers and they are actually necessary for economic growth (as in a capitalistic society the lower classes work for the rich).



#2- Government accountability- Same problems as usual. No fiscal responsibility whatsoever. The gov is just one big credit card spend spend spend, borrow borrow borrow. Its not like we have to pay it back. Lets just ignore our 7 trillion dallor deficeit.


This will become a problem as foreign bodies such as the Chinese government and oil sheiks in the Middle East lose favor with US debt instruments in favor for another (possibly China), and thus the US dollar will collapse if spending does not come under control.


Mr. Roubini is concerned that the massive current account deficits of the US - "on the way to $800 billion" - will soon blow up the international monetary system that has evolved since the end of World War II. Already, foreign central banks, including that in China, hold more than $1.2 trillion in US Treasury debt. "At some time, the rest of the world is going to become tired of financing the US deficit," he says. That would clobber the dollar and hurt the world economy.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0630/p17s01-cogn.html



#2- Education - The Public education system is responsible for educating the vast majority of Americans which is primarily liberal. There is liberal propaganda and indoctrination. I have experienced this ever since I was in kindergarten up to today, in college. I was taught at a young age as early as first grade the Martin Luther King was a maytyr against the evil white man. I should of been taught to look up to people like Thomas Jefferson or George Washington but I would be shunned upon if I asked about them. However the brainwashing was pretty moderate liberal propaganda in my school career up to highschool.


Yeah, I'm sure the two weeks at the most that you spent learning about Martin Luther King Jr. completely prihibited you from learning anything else during the school year. :rolleyes: If you had paid attention you might have noticed that there were white people involved in the Civil Rights movement, the recent trial of the klan member is proof of that.

http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,15724522%255E912,00.html



In my film class senior year ofcourse we only watched civil rights movies that stood up the the evil injustice of the horrible white man. Not once did a see a movie in which the white man did a noble thing.


That just too bad. :rolleyes: When does the media ever focus on the good of what non-whites do? All you see on tv and in movies are ignorant stereotypes and racially skewed statistics.



I graduated, and I moved on to college. It was standard procedure for teachers just to bluntly tell their political beliefs. In my english class my teacher show a propaganda video of how the palestineans were "forced" to live in camps for 30 years by the evil israelies.


The situation with Israel is far from being as one sided as you're claiming.



This is the same public education system the is "educating" 90 percent of Americans. They are all the people that will vote in our elections. The majority of which are corrupted by liberal propaganda and are taught to hate everything against the liberal agenda and to elect corrupted people like Bush or Kerry. Instead of taking responsibility and learning discipline and being accountable they are taught that everything is ok and you can be a dumbass and succeed. Now if all these people have this way of thinking do you think they are going to vote for a responsible person? Where do you think America is going to go if this continues? Only 40 years of liberal brainwashing and America is going to ****. It movies fast.


This is interesting, you say "40 years of liberal brainwashing", so I can assume by examining the entire context of your post, that you are referring to the Civil Rights Movement as being the key to "America's decline". Your entire post is doing nothing but playing the victim, as if by learning history especially that surrounding the racial past of this country. You basically imply that learning about Martin Luther King Jr. was unimportant since he wasn't white and try to claim that you learned nothing about Thomas Jefferson or George Washington, when that clearly was not the case. I've heard many of you right-wing conservatives try to marginalize anything that concerns minorities, but it's pointless to try and cover up history, the events speak for themselves.




#3- The Media - Everything in the media is baised, Republican or democrat. They are all trying to push their agenda on you. They are constantly fighting for your mind and trying to pitch their beliefs on you. I cant even watch the news its so bad.


This is also interesting, first you claim that the media is only biased in favor of "liberal agendas", now you claim it's biased in both directions (which is actually correct), you just contradicted yourself.



Instead on focusing on the real problems of America they would rather cover and talk about the Micheal Jackson trail day in and day out, and just repeat what we already know. Or they would rather talk about Bennifer or JLOs ass. If thats not bad enough they put crap on tv like Jerry Springer or Maury just targeted to complete idiots on welfare. They are "dumbifying" America. The majority of American citizens are just dumb sheep and can be easily manipulated and told what to do. Its only a small minority that actually keep on top of things and their politicains.


This is probably the only portion of this tirade that I can say I agree with to an extent. I know that most Americans know less of our domestic affairs than many foreigners do and would rather focus on Hollywood garbage than the actions of the government. It's unfortunate however there is nothing that can be done to change this.



The bottom line is when you elect corrupt creeps your going to pay for it. Just look at the situation in Iraq. If you are to elect a more responsible person like a Ronald Reagen type we wouldnt be in this mess. Instead of blaming Bush blame yourself for electing such a dumbass.

I don't believe that a Reagan-minded individual would be the answer to the problems that are plaguing the US. A more Libertarian approach (with the exception of the border policy) would most likely be more beneficial to the overall socioeconomic condition of the US, but with the ties that corporations and politicians have, that will never happen.

MantisShrimp
07-04-2005, 10:12 PM
What should we do with that article?

http://www.wfu.edu/wfunews/2004/images/powellprint.jpg

Illuminati
07-04-2005, 10:46 PM
Corporations not cooperations. Yeah, those evil corporations sure do screw us. How dare they provide a service or product that is obviously in demand.

What an ignorant statement to make. I hope for your sakes you didnt get mad at Enron, because those corperations are just soo nice. Why are cable companies trying to block towns from proving free internet access to those who cant afford it? Why did the auto industry resist putting seatbelts in their cars for many years, despite knowing very well that seatbelts would save a lot of lies... and the tobacco industry.. well why the **** should cancer patients be allowed to sue them, after all, they just provided a product that was in demand?

wade1226
07-04-2005, 10:51 PM
Why did the auto industry resist putting seatbelts in their cars for many years, despite knowing very well that seatbelts would save a lot of lies... and the tobacco industry.. well why the **** should cancer patients be allowed to sue them, after all, they just provided a product that was in demand?
To answer these questions from a capitalist point of view, here we go:
The auto industry resisted this because of extra cost. However, informed consumers could find out about the seatbelt debate, and demand seatbelts in autos, or only buy autos that came with seatbelts. Basically, the corporations are at the whim of the consumer.

As far as the tobacco industry, since it was proven in some instances that they engaged in deceptive practices about the inherent danger in the product they sold, then yes, the lawsuits against them are perfectly viable, although it still boggles my mind how someone who thinks inhaling clouds of smoke couldn't not be healthy for him. But once this information is out in the open, then it is the consumer's responsibility to use such a product without liability for the manufacturer. If nobody wants lung cancer, then nobody will buy their product.

PowerSwede
07-04-2005, 10:53 PM
What an ignorant statement to make. I hope for your sakes you didnt get mad at Enron, because those corperations are just soo nice. Why are cable companies trying to block towns from proving free internet access to those who cant afford it? Why did the auto industry resist putting seatbelts in their cars for many years, despite knowing very well that seatbelts would save a lot of lies... and the tobacco industry.. well why the **** should cancer patients be allowed to sue them, after all, they just provided a product that was in demand?

i'd rep ya but you don't seem to need it.

The idea of full scale capitalism (corporatism) being less corrupt than an elected government isn't just stupid, or, heh, well, it is just stupid.

The reasons that the mixed market economies work so well is that the government keeps the corruption of the corporations in check and vice versa, full scale capitalism would be as corrupt as pure commumism.

Unfortunatnly people are reluctant to allow their minds to think that anything about capitalism can be bad.

Illuminati
07-04-2005, 10:55 PM
As far as the tobacco industry, since it was proven in some instances that they engaged in deceptive practices about the inherent danger in the product they sold, then yes, the lawsuits against them are perfectly viable, although it still boggles my mind how someone who thinks inhaling clouds of smoke couldn't not be healthy for him. But once this information is out in the open, then it is the consumer's responsibility to use such a product without liability for the manufacturer. If nobody wants lung cancer, then nobody will buy their product.

The tabbacco industry is the clearest cut example, but the point is applied elsewhere.. in theory capitalism works great.. but in our case its gone awry.. big corperations have thrown their ethics out the window, and these days the only thing that matters to them is to turn a profit, no matter how that profit is achieved (even if the profit is on paper, as enron showed).. as they grew larger and larger, they started exerting more and more influence on the lives of invididuals by manipulating the media and congress through money bribes and donations.. now if you have your government acting as a puppet to a bunch of powerful corperations, you have a system of government where capitalism has turned into a monster, where a persons live is assessed in dollars, and anything that turns a profit, no matter how evil, is persued, with no concern for the effects it will have on society and the world.

Runnin12
07-05-2005, 12:28 AM
Please explain how the CIA and FBI refusing to share information had anything to do with politically correctness. It seems that the two agencies were to arrogant and each viewed themselves to be more important than the other and thus with a lack of total information 9/11 occurred.

I said it was not only political correctness but corruption from the government. The CIA and the FBI shows the failure of government agencies to do their job. Racial profiling in airports is one thing. Its obvous that middle eastern men traveling alone, paying in cash, no lugguage are the primary suspects that would cause a terrorist attack. The 911 terrorist hit all major warning signs but airline employees could not stop them due to they would be labeled a "racist". It was completely out of the question to even think of stoping them. Because God forbid that anybodys feelings get hurt. Even though these people fit the profile of terrorists and people who have hit us on many occasions prior to 911.


As someone that lives in a border state it's been evident for years that the border has been a joke. I'm quite certain that Bush will not do anything to impede the flow of illegal immigration during the remainder of his term.

Yep and any other politicains wont as well because they will be labeled racist. They cant even talk about it without walking on egg shells because it would be political suicide. It costs a ridiculous amount of money to run for office so they have to get campaign contributions from corporations which want cheap illegal labor. In communist regimes they do exactly what is happening to the USA.

#1- Control the media
#2- Take over schools
#3- Brainwash

You cant even say what you truly feel in office because you would be shunned upon. You can kiss your chances of attaining any type of office good bye. This is do the to installed political correctness you see in the news.


You seem to fit the stereotype of the typical xenophobic American. The immigration policy is in favor of Western Europeans and has been for a very long time. It's far easier for a German to get a Visa than a Brazilian

WRONG. Our immigration policy was orginally set towards european countries. It was easy to immigrate if you were european, and very difficult to immigrate from somewhere else. It was changed in 1965 by Ted Kennedy who proposed the law. Now its the other way around, its almost impossible to get citizenship from a european country. Your totally lost, where have you been the last 40 years? Just take a walk in public, its full of all races. This is due to 40 years of a messed up immigration policy.


On the other hand people from poor countries (as you put it) are usually very hard workers and they are actually necessary for economic growth (as in a capitalistic society the lower classes work for the rich)

And you dont think white europeans arent just as hard workers if not harder? It would be a bonus to have are immigration policy geared towards europeans because they share the same beliefs as the majority of Americans and our founding fathers.

Are you suggesting that these people work harder then people from European countries? Im the one that sterotypes? I strongly believe small and legal limited immigration contributes to economic growth not out of control illegal immigration. In regards to legal immigration why would you want to immigrate poor uneducated people that do not share the same views as us and are hostile to our country?


Yeah, I'm sure the two weeks at the most that you spent learning about Martin Luther King Jr. completely prihibited you from learning anything else during the school year.

Lets drop the sarcasm. I never once suggested that learning about Martin Luther king ruined my education. Dont jump to conclusions just take what I said for what it is.


:rolleyes: If you had paid attention you might have noticed that there were white people involved in the Civil Rights movement, the recent trial of the klan member is proof of that.

I know more about the civil rights movement then you will ever learn in your life. Ofcourse white people where involved in the civil rights movement. Who allowed the civil rights movement to take place? What do you think my original post was about? Cant you comprehend a simple post.



The situation with Israel is far from being as one sided as you're claiming.

No the palestineans are portrayed as innocent victims forced to live in camps for 40 years but that is far from the truth. He failed to show the isreali side in the video. Even in his lecture he went off on how injust it was for the palestineans to be put in camps :rolleyes:


This is interesting, you say "40 years of liberal brainwashing", so I can assume by examining the entire context of your post, that you are referring to the Civil Rights Movement as being the key to "America's decline".

I am more so reffering to vietnam when all of this liberal indoctrination started. Do you remember vietnam? Do you remember how the country was so divided then? The hippie kids fighting against the big bad republican government? This was when america started to really go down hill. The republicans caved in to the democrats and gave them their way. This sent them the message that they can yell, scream, and attack enough they will accomplish what they want.


Your entire post is doing nothing but playing the victim, as if by learning history especially that surrounding the racial past of this country.

One of my main points was I learned too much about the civil rights movement in this country. Not that its a bad thing, but this material fits the liberal agenda of multiculturism. Why do you think they want minorities in America so bad? For the most part they vote for the democratic party. Do you honestly believe democrats would allow such a policy if the majority of the immigrants would vote republican?


You basically imply that learning about Martin Luther King Jr. was unimportant since he wasn't white and try to claim that you learned nothing about Thomas Jefferson or George Washington, when that clearly was not the case. I've heard many of you right-wing conservatives try to marginalize anything that concerns minorities, but it's pointless to try and cover up history, the events speak for themselves.

#1- Please dont label me a right wing conservative. Do not generalize people as I am not generalizing you as a democrat. Just look at me as an american citizen that cares for his country.

#2- I respect Martin Luther King but I feel that he was not the only important person in American history. A lot of my education came from going to the library and educating myself. The school did teach me a lot but I was just pointing out how much propaganda I expierienced. I had a film class senior year in high school, and the whole year we must of watched 30 movies. I would have to say about 25 of them were movies covering the civil rights movement. Every single one of witch was showing tolerance towards a minority or standing up to the evil white man. Not once the whole year did I see a movie where a white guy did something good. I believe studying all parts of history but do you really think its necessary to have 30 movies covering just the civil rights movement? I would of appreciated watching movies on history of the revolution, civil war, ww1 etc.

#3- There is no point in covering up history? Boy are you far out of it. Why is it countries like Japan or Russia take away war crimes they commited out of their text books? A lot of events dont speak for themself. The way you interpret it is a deciding factor and if you presented it in such a way you will think a certain way about it which is not good.


This is also interesting, first you claim that the media is only biased in favor of "liberal agendas", now you claim it's biased in both directions (which is actually correct), you just contradicted yourself.

I was only concentrating on the liberal aspect of propaganda.


This is probably the only portion of this tirade that I can say I agree with to an extent. I know that most Americans know less of our domestic affairs than many foreigners do and would rather focus on Hollywood garbage than the actions of the government. It's unfortunate however there is nothing that can be done to change this.

It starts with parents raising their kids with values and discipline.


I don't believe that a Reagan-minded individual would be the answer to the problems that are plaguing the US. A more Libertarian approach (with the exception of the border policy) would most likely be more beneficial to the overall socioeconomic condition of the US, but with the ties that corporations and politicians have, that will never happen.

Reagen granted amnesty to illegals on a condition that they would enforce the current immigration law. He accomplished a whole lot I.E. bringing down communism and trying to cut the big government. I do agree that taking the state out of it would help.

Diesel66
07-05-2005, 12:54 AM
Please explain how the CIA and FBI refusing to share information had anything to do with politically correctness. It seems that the two agencies were to arrogant and each viewed themselves to be more important than the other and thus with a lack of total information 9/11 occurred.
They were actually forbidden to talk with each other for fear the CIA would use the intellegence against Americans.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0630/p17s01-cogn.html

One problem is national security. Selling our resources and manufacturing away to nations that are not our closest allies (UK, Canada, Australia) is very dangerous.



I don't believe that a Reagan-minded individual would be the answer to the problems that are plaguing the US. A more Libertarian approach (with the exception of the border policy) would most likely be more beneficial to the overall socioeconomic condition of the US, but with the ties that corporations and politicians have, that will never happen.Definetly agree.

Runnin12
07-05-2005, 12:56 AM
The tabbacco industry is the clearest cut example, but the point is applied elsewhere.. in theory capitalism works great.. but in our case its gone awry..

No man. Capitalism does work great with proper controls and regulations. Look you have an ipod in your sig. Its under capitalism that your able to attain such a cool device. Apple wants to make money and the only way they can do that is trying to annihilate their competetors by putting out an awesome product like an ipod. They hire programmers and designers and work hard non stop trying to create a good product and beat out sony for instance. SNE is like hell nah apple you aint gon pull that **** on us we are going to come back with an even better product, the SNE PSP that plays songs and is a playstation in 1. This = The bigger and better product. In a controlled market you do not get advances. The harder you work the more money you get. That simple man. This moves the country forward because they gain technological advances and can build a stronger military.

IN theory socalism sounds good because nobody has to do **** and everybody is equal. Nobody is going to want to work because they wont have a reason to if they are going to get paid the same as the other average schmo sitting on his ass. Do you think under this type of regime your going to get a kick ass ipod? If you dont believe me just look at any country with a controlled market and name what have they produced? Do you really think installing something like socalism is going to fix the problem? Its only going to make it worse. You will just be changing the form of the problem with something else.

Illuminati
07-05-2005, 01:27 AM
No man. Capitalism does work great with proper controls and regulations. Look you have an ipod in your sig. Its under capitalism that your able to attain such a cool device. Apple wants to make money and the only way they can do that is trying to annihilate their competetors by putting out an awesome product like an ipod. They hire programmers and designers and work hard non stop trying to create a good product and beat out sony for instance. SNE is like hell nah apple you aint gon pull that **** on us we are going to come back with an even better product, the SNE PSP that plays songs and is a playstation in 1. This = The bigger and better product. In a controlled market you do not get advances. The harder you work the more money you get. That simple man. This moves the country forward because they gain technological advances and can build a stronger military.

IN theory socalism sounds good because nobody has to do **** and everybody is equal. Nobody is going to want to work because they wont have a reason to if they are going to get paid the same as the other average schmo sitting on his ass. Do you think under this type of regime your going to get a kick ass ipod? If you dont believe me just look at any country with a controlled market and name what have they produced? Do you really think installing something like socalism is going to fix the problem? Its only going to make it worse. You will just be changing the form of the problem with something else.

Yes look capitalism is generally good, I agree. But its like keeping a pet dinosaur.. if it becomes too powerful, you wont be able to control it. Do you agree with TV programs showing plastic surgery on tv because thats what grabs ratings and brings in the green? Is that an appropriate message to be sending out to kids? Do you agree with pharmaceutical companies buying the votes of congressmen to get their dangerous drugs passing around in people, with every kid popping adderall (amphetamine) pills, and every human failing is solved by classifieing it as a disorder and perscribing pills- because THATS where money comes from? Im certainly not someone who would advocate government imposition of 'morality', but certain sectors have gotten soo powerful that they can basically take the power out of peoples hands and run the show by themselves.. case and point are the oil industry, tabbaco, and the pharmaceuticals

its not just the companies, american society itself has been warped by the persuit of money.. and money IS the root of all evil. more and more people are becoming materialistic, greedy, and selfish.. this is clearly shown by the widening gap between rich and poor.. and if this trend keeps up, you'll end up with some kind of an 'elitocracy' where very few people will have full control of the government, because of their immense wealth, and will use it to dominate everyone else.. you can also see this in by how different the justice system treats rich and poor people

wade1226
07-05-2005, 01:36 AM
Yes look capitalism is generally good, I agree. But its like keeping a pet dinosaur.. if it becomes too powerful, you wont be able to control it. Do you agree with TV programs showing plastic surgery on tv because thats what grabs ratings and brings in the green? Is that an appropriate message to be sending out to kids? Do you agree with pharmaceutical companies buying the votes of congressmen to get their dangerous drugs passing around in people, with every kid popping adderall (amphetamine) pills, and every human failing is solved by classifieing it as a disorder and perscribing pills- because THATS where money comes from? Im certainly not someone who would advocate government imposition of 'morality', but certain sectors have gotten soo powerful that they can basically take the power out of peoples hands and run the show by themselves.. case and point are the oil industry, tabbaco, and the pharmaceuticals
Actually, the problem with pure capitalism is that it takes time for problems to be justified. Take, for instance, the tobacco industry - they lied about their product, and quite a ways down the road they ate it in the court system. Granted, the amount of time that had passed meant that very few victims received compensation themselves, but
the industry itself was punished to a significant amount enough to scare off any "copycat" industries (not that there are any industries like the tobacco industry, but if there was, they would have straightened out or risked a judgement ranging into the billions of dollars).

OK, after reading what I just wrote, I was in error - that's not pure capitalism, that's capitalism with some minor government influence. In pure capitalism, people would realize that smoking kills, so nobody would smoke anymore, and the tobacco companies would go out of business.

Anyways, that error aside, I agree with much of what you bring up - minor government checks on capitalism is good because it brings about a quicker (and theoretically safer) equilibrium of corporations. Unfortunately, the human error (such as bribes, etc) raises questions. But I don't really know how to get rid of this other than to have a government that is wholly accountable to the people (good luck on that one). I think the problem lies in the human failings of the idea, not the idea itself.

PowerSwede
07-05-2005, 01:39 AM
Actually, the problem with pure capitalism is that it takes time for problems to be justified. Take, for instance, the tobacco industry - they lied about their product, and quite a ways down the road they ate it in the court system. Granted, the amount of time that had passed meant that very few victims received compensation themselves, but
the industry itself was punished to a significant amount enough to scare off any "copycat" industries (not that there are any industries like the tobacco industry, but if there was, they would have straightened out or risked a judgement ranging into the billions of dollars).

OK, after reading what I just wrote, I was in error - that's not pure capitalism, that's capitalism with some minor government influence. In pure capitalism, people would realize that smoking kills, so nobody would smoke anymore, and the tobacco companies would go out of business.

Anyways, that error aside, I agree with much of what you bring up - minor government checks on capitalism is good because it brings about a quicker (and theoretically safer) equilibrium of corporations. Unfortunately, the human error (such as bribes, etc) raises questions. But I don't really know how to get rid of this other than to have a government that is wholly accountable to the people (good luck on that one). I think the problem lies in the human failings of the idea, not the idea itself.


Pure capitalism doesn't take any time to get organized, the corporate army will make you abide by the laws to begin with until the corporate police wants to continue, if the cost effective way is to use 9mm so will be done.

Pure capitalism is like pure communism, inevitably a dictatorship.

wade1226
07-05-2005, 01:49 AM
Pure capitalism doesn't take any time to get organized, the corporate army will make you abide by the laws to begin with until the corporate police wants to continue, if the cost effective way is to use 9mm so will be done.

Pure capitalism is like pure communism, inevitably a dictatorship.
No, I think that if one takes the limit of capitalism--->infinity, a civilized society would result. Of course, during this time, there would be countless struggles of corporations attempting to assert their power, but the bottom line of capitalism is that the people have the ultimate power over the corporations. I don't know how many times it would take, but as the abuse of people by corporations became obvious, people would stop buying from said corporations, and those corporations would go out of business. Eventually, every corporation would learn that they have to play by certain rules to stay in business.

Of course, limited government involvement significantly shortens this stage of equilibrium.

PowerSwede
07-05-2005, 01:56 AM
No, I think that if one takes the limit of capitalism--->infinity, a civilized society would result. Of course, during this time, there would be countless struggles of corporations attempting to assert their power, but the bottom line of capitalism is that the people have the ultimate power over the corporations. I don't know how many times it would take, but as the abuse of people by corporations became obvious, people would stop buying from said corporations, and those corporations would go out of business. Eventually, every corporation would learn that they have to play by certain rules to stay in business.

Of course, limited government involvement significantly shortens this stage of equilibrium.

Pure capitalism is a society owned by the biggest corporation, it is INEVITABLY a dicatorship.

No government rules would swiftly produce only monopolies and monopolies tend to last until they are forcibly broken down by governments (see microsoft) IOW, no, ONE monopoly would rule and it wouldn't change, the leader would hand over the leadership to whoever he'd see fit, no votes, no democracy.

A mixed economy is what the US, EU and pretty mush ALL nations around the world that are not ruled by dictators have, for a reason.

Runnin12
07-05-2005, 02:37 AM
No, see, where you imply the roles of capitalism you could just as well use communism, either an owner or a community owns a market which people will be FORCED to live under, neither works, you are being overly obtuse.

Its best if a community owns a market as opposed to a controlled economy. This is the closest to freedom as your gunna get. The fact of the matter is you will be forced to follow any type of system anywhere. The capitalist system is the one that allows the most individual freedom.

You have to ask yourself "Do i want to control my money or do I want the government to decide for me?" In sweden you decided you would rather have the gov decide for you rather then you decide for yourself.

I believe in capitalism but it needs to be regulated and have some aspects of socalism incorporated such as welfare etc. In regards to microsoft that is one monopoly out of how many millions? The percentage of monopoloys is very small its very difficult to achieve such a status. Its better versus the problems with socalism such as the huge beaurcracy and lack of a reason to work.

PS clear your private message storage you are over your quota. You cant recieve any pms untill you clear it.

PowerSwede
07-05-2005, 02:47 AM
Its best if a community owns a market as opposed to a controlled economy. This is the closest to freedom as your gunna get. The fact of the matter is you will be forced to follow any type of system anywhere. The capitalist system is the one that allows the most individual freedom.

You have to ask yourself "Do i want to control my money or do I want the government to decide for me?" In sweden you decided you would rather have the gov decide for you rather then you decide for yourself.

I believe in capitalism but it needs to be regulated and have some aspects of socalism incorporated such as welfare etc. In regards to microsoft that is one monopoly out of how many millions? The percentage of monopoloys is very small its very difficult to achieve such a status. Its better versus the problems with socalism such as the huge beaurcracy and lack of a reason to work.

PS clear your private message storage you are over your quota. You cant recieve any pms untill you clear it.

Or you need to ask yourself, do i want to control my money or do i want a monopoly to control it.

Sweden is ahead of the US when it comes to capitalism and market regulation, AKA capitalism so you are wrong about that, you see, taxes have nothing to do with socialism, i can't stop laughing at people who think they are related, if you HAVE taxes you are on a degree of socialism, hence certain markets (even if they are military or police) are not free, in true capitalism EVERY market is free, INCLUDING the military, do you want the military to be owned by a corporation that you cannot vote for?

You see, complete capitalism excludes democracy, it CAN NOT EXIST since there is nothing to vote for. monopolies will be what rules the country since ONE company will easily outmanouver smaller companies and there are NO RULES set by any GOVERNMENT since there cannot be any government, that would be against capitalism, you'll drive two meters at a time because you need to pay the millions of road owners that bought the strip you are driving on and so on.

And BTW, posting private messages may not be the best thing to do, but of course, your bright self already knew that.

Christ, why do i even bother with these idiots?

Axel Rose
07-05-2005, 05:04 AM
Or you need to ask yourself, do i want to control my money or do i want a monopoly to control it.


Sweden is ahead of the US when it comes to capitalism and market regulation, AKA capitalism so you are wrong about that, you see, taxes have nothing to do with socialism, i can't stop laughing at people who think they are related, if you HAVE taxes you are on a degree of socialism, hence certain markets (even if they are military or police) are not free, in true capitalism EVERY market is free, INCLUDING the military, do you want the military to be owned by a corporation that you cannot vote for?

Power every government is going to have mad taxes. I dont see the relevance. It may be a degree of socalism but whats your point? I think we can all agree that America has many parts of socalism incorporated into the system. America is nowhere near pure capitalism nor would it be a good idea to have pure capitalism. I dont think anyone on this thread is a pure capitalism advocate.


You see, complete capitalism excludes democracy, it CAN NOT EXIST since there is nothing to vote for. monopolies will be what rules the country since ONE company will easily outmanouver smaller companies and there are NO RULES set by any GOVERNMENT since there cannot be any government, that would be against capitalism, you'll drive two meters at a time because you need to pay the millions of road owners that bought the strip you are driving on and so on.

Corporations controlling the politicains is a big problemo. I agree. However do you honestly believe ousting capitalism is going to address the problem? Take socalism for instance, that is just another form of the problem you have to deal with. Too much bureaucracy if you ask me. Every system has its flaws nothing is perfect. I prefer capitalism due to the sole reason of the hard work to create better products and thus moving countries into the 21st century.

And BTW, posting private messages may not be the best thing to do, but of course, your bright self already knew that.

Christ, why do i even bother with these idiots?[/QUOTE]

PowerSwede
07-05-2005, 05:51 AM
Power every government is going to have mad taxes. I dont see the relevance. It may be a degree of socalism but whats your point? I think we can all agree that America has many parts of socalism incorporated into the system. America is nowhere near pure capitalism nor would it be a good idea to have pure capitalism. I dont think anyone on this thread is a pure capitalism advocate.



Corporations controlling the politicains is a big problemo. I agree. However do you honestly believe ousting capitalism is going to address the problem? Take socalism for instance, that is just another form of the problem you have to deal with. Too much bureaucracy if you ask me. Every system has its flaws nothing is perfect. I prefer capitalism due to the sole reason of the hard work to create better products and thus moving countries into the 21st century.

And BTW, posting private messages may not be the best thing to do, but of course, your bright self already knew that.

Christ, why do i even bother with these idiots?[/QUOTE]

While i agree that corporations controlling politicians (or vice versa for that matter) is a problem, but in pure capitalism that would not be a problem, there would be no politicians, there is no regulation of any market so there is no need.

I honestly doubt that anyone wants either pure capitalism or pure socialism, the varying degrees of mixed economies seem to serve us all quite well, however, the eastern block with it's flat tax has had a great success (to get back to systems that actually exist and work) I think this could quite possibly be something to emulate, first of all though, remove all sales tax.

fireman_x
07-05-2005, 08:47 PM
I said it was not only political correctness but corruption from the government. The CIA and the FBI shows the failure of government agencies to do their job. Racial profiling in airports is one thing. Its obvous that middle eastern men traveling alone, paying in cash, no lugguage are the primary suspects that would cause a terrorist attack.


I don't believe that racial profiling at airports will be of any use because, unfortunately terrorists are not idiots (maybe with the exception of the attempted shoe bomber). They know that security has been increased at airports and racial profiling is occurring (not to mention that there are white Muslims) and will look for new targets to strike, such as shooting down planes with SAM's as they tried to do in Kenya to an Israeli passenger plane. Terrorists are constantly devising new tactics, and if the only continued focus is on airports, we'll leave other avenues open for attack.



Yep and any other politicains wont as well because they will be labeled racist.


I don't believe that the lack of a border policy has anything to do with politicians being called "racist" (that was only a recent occurrence). It's clear in Texas that a lot of businesses have illegal immigrants (such as car washes, lawn mowing, and home building) and clearly if you look at the donations (aka bribes) that politicians receive, you'll see that many of these business that have shady hiring practices are the some ones that have lines the pockets of politicians. The problem is evident but the question is who will go about solving it whn greed erodes ethics.



WRONG. Our immigration policy was orginally set towards european countries. It was easy to immigrate if you were european, and very difficult to immigrate from somewhere else. It was changed in 1965 by Ted Kennedy who proposed the law. Now its the other way around, its almost impossible to get citizenship from a european country.

I don't believe this for a second, students at my school from Europe and Australia had no problem getting to the US while students from even friendly countries like Argentina had many hassles. The only non-white students that seem to have a fairly easy time coming to school in the US are East Asian (Japanese, Taiwanese and Korean).



Your totally lost, where have you been the last 40 years?

The last 40 years? Well seeing that I'm in my 20's...



Just take a walk in public, its full of all races. This is due to 40 years of a messed up immigration policy.


What is the (or should I say your) problem with a variety of races, you seem to have the misconception that everyone that is different than you will be hostile towards you.



And you dont think white europeans arent just as hard workers if not harder?

Were talking about menial, manual labor work here. The US has no shortfall of white collar workers, which is what most Europeans would strive to be if they weren't already (assuming they came to the states), and many white collar jobs are being outsourced to India and China anyways. As I said before Europeans that already live comfortably in their home countries would be hard pressed to find an incentive to move over here.



It would be a bonus to have are immigration policy geared towards europeans because they share the same beliefs as the majority of Americans and our founding fathers.


Europeans are not as like-minded as you wish to believe. You claim that they 'share the same beliefs as the majority of Americans and our founding fathers', so you must not have met many Europeans.



I strongly believe small and legal limited immigration contributes to economic growth not out of control illegal immigration. In regards to legal immigration why would you want to immigrate poor uneducated people that do not share the same views as us and are hostile to our country?


I have in no way supported illegal immigration, and of course legal immigration should be controlled, possibly factored with the unemployment rate. I would actually send all illegals back to their country of origin and probably have the borders guarded with adequate force. I don't believe a wall would be necessary but I wouldn't shun the idea.



Lets drop the sarcasm. I never once suggested that learning about Martin Luther king ruined my education. Dont jump to conclusions just take what I said for what it is.

I know more about the civil rights movement then you will ever learn in your life. Ofcourse white people where involved in the civil rights movement. Who allowed the civil rights movement to take place? What do you think my original post was about? Cant you comprehend a simple post.


Interesting, you say 'drop the sarcasm', then you sarcastically ask me whether or not I can 'comprehend a single post'. :rolleyes: Also I seriously doubt you know more that I about the Civil Rights Movement, but we can save that for another thread.



No the palestineans are portrayed as innocent victims forced to live in camps for 40 years but that is far from the truth. He failed to show the isreali side in the video.

I can't comment on this since I obviously did not see the video.



I am more so reffering to vietnam when all of this liberal indoctrination started. Do you remember vietnam? Do you remember how the country was so divided then? The hippie kids fighting against the big bad republican government? This was when america started to really go down hill. The republicans caved in to the democrats and gave them their way. This sent them the message that they can yell, scream, and attack enough they will accomplish what they want.


Maybe if those students weren't shot on campus (the Kent State Massacre), then this "downfall" would have never occurred.



One of my main points was I learned too much about the civil rights movement in this country. Not that its a bad thing, but this material fits the liberal agenda of multiculturism. Why do you think they want minorities in America so bad? For the most part they vote for the democratic party. Do you honestly believe democrats would allow such a policy if the majority of the immigrants would vote republican?


I don't see how you can learn "too much" on any subject, but placing that aside the reason why the Democrats pander to minorities is because they have no other choice. The two party system is a problem because it basically divides the country in half, and as the last election showed, the Democrats would simply pick the opposite side of any issue that the Republicans favored. This is why I would like to see four parties (probably only three of which would be relevant), some people would claim that would divide the country even further, however I believe that it would allow moderates to have more say in the government and reduce the radical polarization that we see currently.



#1- Please dont label me a right wing conservative. Do not generalize people as I am not generalizing you as a democrat. Just look at me as an american citizen that cares for his country.


Fair enough.



#2- I respect Martin Luther King but I feel that he was not the only important person in American history. A lot of my education came from going to the library and educating myself. The school did teach me a lot but I was just pointing out how much propaganda I expierienced. I had a film class senior year in high school, and the whole year we must of watched 30 movies. I would have to say about 25 of them were movies covering the civil rights movement. Every single one of witch was showing tolerance towards a minority or standing up to the evil white man. Not once the whole year did I see a movie where a white guy did something good. I believe studying all parts of history but do you really think its necessary to have 30 movies covering just the civil rights movement? I would of appreciated watching movies on history of the revolution, civil war, ww1 etc.


I can't speak on what you've experienced but when I was in high school the Civil Rights Movement was hardly touched, maybe a little over a week was spend on it. Most of what I learned on the Civil Rights Movement I did on my own accord, but I even learned more from the History Channel about WW2 than I did in school so there's not a lot that can be said about public education.



#3- There is no point in covering up history? Boy are you far out of it. Why is it countries like Japan or Russia take away war crimes they commited out of their text books? A lot of events dont speak for themself. The way you interpret it is a deciding factor and if you presented it in such a way you will think a certain way about it which is not good.


You're using some extreme examples. The Japanese know that they were in the wrong for what they did in WW2 and even though they still deny the atrocities publicly they know that they brought the destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki on themselves (although they still hold animosity towards the US for the bombings).

Russia has also tried to cover up events such as Chernobyl, however even though these countries tried to cover up the truth it did eventually come out, which was my point in my last post.



I was only concentrating on the liberal aspect of propaganda.


Why only focus on one side of a two-faced problem?



It starts with parents raising their kids with values and discipline.


There is probably nothing that will improve the poor parenting skills in this country. Most parents want the government, teachers, and law enforcement to control their kids instead of taking personal responsibility.

Runnin12
07-06-2005, 12:34 AM
I don't believe that racial profiling at airports will be of any use because, unfortunately terrorists are not idiots (maybe with the exception of the attempted shoe bomber). They know that security has been increased at airports and racial profiling is occurring (not to mention that there are white Muslims) and will look for new targets to strike, such as shooting down planes with SAM's as they tried to do in Kenya to an Israeli passenger plane. Terrorists are constantly devising new tactics, and if the only continued focus is on airports, we'll leave other avenues open for attack.

#1- The airpot was just an example. I hate to break it to you but a middle eastern guy driving some type of van, suv, or being near some type of finanaial or military target is going to be suspicous.the fact that the majority of terrorists are of middle eastern decent. Yeah there are white muslims but really how many out of billions? A very small percentage. And in America a middle eastern guy asking for 30 high powered assault rifles is going to raise some eyebrows. They can smuggle it as well as some serous weapons through the border, but if we enforced the current laws it would be very difficult to hit us. 911 was a result of a corrupt goverment. They were not enforcing the laws. Prior to 911 if you were middle eastern, traveling alone, paying in cash you would of been stopped immediately. These guys were on the terrorist watch list and were under *Do not let into country- detain* and were able to get visas to study! What a fukin joke.


I don't believe that the lack of a border policy has anything to do with politicians being called "racist" (that was only a recent occurrence). It's clear in Texas that a lot of businesses have illegal immigrants (such as car washes, lawn mowing, and home building) and clearly if you look at the donations (aka bribes) that politicians receive, you'll see that many of these business that have shady hiring practices are the some ones that have lines the pockets of politicians. The problem is evident but the question is who will go about solving it whn greed erodes ethics.

Being called racist is just one aspect of it. I said in my original post that Bush is just a bitch to coporate america. This is definitely a good example. He still could fix the problem if he wanted to but I dont think he cares.


I don't believe this for a second, students at my school from Europe and Australia had no problem getting to the US while students from even friendly countries like Argentina had many hassles. The only non-white students that seem to have a fairly easy time coming to school in the US are East Asian (Japanese, Taiwanese and Korean).

There is a big difference between a visa and and getting citizenship. Read The Immigration Reform Act of 1965. It took the priority away from european countries and switched it around due to it was "racist". And what dont you believe? Its a fact, a written law. Whats not to believe?


What is the (or should I say your) problem with a variety of races, you seem to have the misconception that everyone that is different than you will be hostile towards you.

Well I grew up in a very bad area. People would hassel me just because I was white in a school of ethnic monorities. When you get beat up and hasseled on a regular basis your are not as open or accepting towards other races. Also the crime associated with illegal immigration as well as the other problems you will not approve. Do you honestly believe that whites should be the ethinic minority in their own country? Why would I want to immigrat people who do not share the same views as me. Then you have to accomadate them and cater to their views and traditions. This doesnt go together with traditional America. If this continues whites will be a minority as they are in california. If another group becomes the majority in the future, what would stop them from electing someone that represents their views? Maybe a radical islamic President? This is not going to be good for a variety of reasons.


Were talking about menial, manual labor work here. The US has no shortfall of white collar workers, which is what most Europeans would strive to be if they weren't already (assuming they came to the states), and many white collar jobs are being outsourced to India and China anyways.

That is due to corrupt gov.


Europeans are not as like-minded as you wish to believe. You claim that they 'share the same beliefs as the majority of Americans and our founding fathers', so you must not have met many Europeans.

lol i have family all over europe. I go every year. I have been to almost every single european country except for Russia and spain. Take poland for instance, i believe its like 99 percent catholic?



ave in no way supported illegal immigration, and of course legal immigration should be controlled, possibly factored with the unemployment rate. I would actually send all illegals back to their country of origin and probably have the borders guarded with adequate force. I don't believe a wall would be necessary but I wouldn't shun the idea.

Putting a wall up is not going to fix the problem. You have to fix the law and enforce it first as I said before.



but placing that aside the reason why the Democrats pander to minorities is because they have no other choice.

They dont have a choice :rolleyes: They do it because it fits their agenda.



The two party system is a problem because it basically divides the country in half, and as the last election showed, the Democrats would simply pick the opposite side of any issue that the Republicans favored.

James Madison said "If all men were angels, there would be no need for government" Are you saying that democrats just pick the other side of an issue just because its against the republicans? What does that tell you about their party? Instead of working together for the best of the country and reaching a compromise, they just classify all republicans as the enemy and fight them constantly. If there were ethics in government half of the major problems would be eliminated.



why I would like to see four parties (probably only three of which would be relevant), some people would claim that would divide the country even further, however I believe that it would allow moderates to have more say in the government and reduce the radical polarization that we see currently.



We already have 4 major political parties. Just not enough people vote that way. For the most part its 3 Repub, Dem, Independent



but I even learned more from the History Channel about WW2 than I did in school so there's not a lot that can be said about public education.

Yea i enjoy watchin the history channel I learn a lot. The public education system was required to teach me a selected ciriculum. They cant just flat out lie to me and push their views on us 24-7. But they do deliver information in a way to influence young minds. I did have some liberal teachers who did not push their views on us but we knew how they felt on subjects, which we shouldnt of known. Learning is what you make it. It comes down to the student. If you want to learn nothing should stop you, if you dont want to learn nothing can help you.




You're using some extreme examples. The Japanese know that they were in the wrong for what they did in WW2 and even though they still deny the atrocities publicly they know that they brought the destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki on themselves (although they still hold animosity towards the US for the bombings).

But as I said before some events speak for themselfand others do not. But for the most part the way your presented it makes all of the difference. Going back to my first post the way you are raised makes you more susceptable to either accept things or reject them. An example can be hollywood. Movie stars and the media are like "Did brad cheat on jen?" or "Are they going to seperate" then they get divorced. Brad goes on primetime live or some **** and the commercials are like "The interview you dont want to miss, what went wrong in their marriage!" Or he can go on something like Oprah. He goes on and the vibe is that divorcing his wife is bad but pretty acceptable behavior. He starts banging some hottie like Anjolina Jolie and he is portrayed as a total winner for leaving a hot girl for an even hotter girl. This filters down to society and ofcourse people are going to want to emulate him and they convince themselves that this behavior is ok. 50 years ago divorce was out of the question. It could even ruin his career because people would look down on him, thats how it was considered. Now its a socail norm. Divorce is over 50 percent in America. You are almost looked up to for it. Thats just once aspect of how the media can corrupt you. Present information in a way that makes it acceptable.



Russia has also tried to cover up events such as Chernobyl, however even though these countries tried to cover up the truth it did eventually come out, which was my point in my last post.

Some events do speak for themself such as chernobyl. Russians screwed up bigtime. They couldnt cover it up the evidence was overwhelming.




There is probably nothing that will improve the poor parenting skills in this country. Most parents want the government, teachers, and law enforcement to control their kids instead of taking personal responsibility.

I definitely agree with that. That was one of the major points of my original post. People need to take accountability. And yet you think I don support this? Maybe you should re read my original post again.

fireman_x
07-07-2005, 12:29 PM
#1- The airpot was just an example. I hate to break it to you but a middle eastern guy driving some type of van, suv, or being near some type of finanaial or military target is going to be suspicous.the fact that the majority of terrorists are of middle eastern decent. Yeah there are white muslims but really how many out of billions?

It's approx. 35 million.

http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2005-02/05/article05.shtml



A very small percentage. And in America a middle eastern guy asking for 30 high powered assault rifles is going to raise some eyebrows. They can smuggle it as well as some serous weapons through the border, but if we enforced the current laws it would be very difficult to hit us. 911 was a result of a corrupt goverment. They were not enforcing the laws. Prior to 911 if you were middle eastern, traveling alone, paying in cash you would of been stopped immediately. These guys were on the terrorist watch list and were under *Do not let into country- detain* and were able to get visas to study! What a fukin joke.


Terrorists are not going to openly purchase weapons or do any suspicious activity overtly, and if they were planning to truck bomb a civilian target, how would you stop it? Most office buildings have little barricade pillars that will prevent a regular vehicle from reaching the entrance, but a heavy truck would tear through that. There has to be more than profiling in order to stop terrorist attacks, using racial profiling as a primary tool will be a mistake.



There is a big difference between a visa and and getting citizenship. Read The Immigration Reform Act of 1965. It took the priority away from european countries and switched it around due to it was "racist". And what dont you believe? Its a fact, a written law. Whats not to believe?


I'll look into this. However as I have stated several times, Western Europeans have virtually no incentive to move over here.



Well I grew up in a very bad area. People would hassel me just because I was white in a school of ethnic monorities. When you get beat up and hasseled on a regular basis your are not as open or accepting towards other races. Also the crime associated with illegal immigration as well as the other problems you will not approve.

This has probably occurred to everyone, are you saying that you never received any hostility from a white person? I doubt that, and I know that you didn't automatically discount one white persons actions and project your hatred on all white people, so why do that for races?



Do you honestly believe that whites should be the ethinic minority in their own country? Why would I want to immigrat people who do not share the same views as me. Then you have to accomadate them and cater to their views and traditions. This doesnt go together with traditional America.


You sound as if you've read a few books by Pat Buchanan and been indoctrinated by his ethnocentric xenophobia. How are you so certain that people that are not white will have different view than yourself, have you heard of the expression "never judge a book by its cover"? It seems that this entire time you've been silently referring to Muslims, and also the US is not a "white" country, if you want to live in a "white" country you can go to Belarus, or any Eastern European country.



If this continues whites will be a minority as they are in california. If another group becomes the majority in the future, what would stop them from electing someone that represents their views? Maybe a radical islamic President? This is not going to be good for a variety of reasons.


The largest minority in the US is Hispanics (with Asians trailing them in growth), so there is no chance of a 'radical Islamic President' and even if a Muslim were to run for president I'm sure he would be assassinated or receive so many death threats that he would drop out.



lol i have family all over europe. I go every year. I have been to almost every single european country except for Russia and spain. Take poland for instance, i believe its like 99 percent catholic?


So if everyone is Catholic, that means that there is no crime and Poland is a virtual utopia? Most South Americans are Catholic, however by your requirements they are not acceptable since they can't fulfill the second requirement of being white. :rolleyes:



Putting a wall up is not going to fix the problem. You have to fix the law and enforce it first as I said before.


I never said a wall would solely solve the problem and I only mentioned a wall because you mentioned an electric fence.



They dont have a choice :rolleyes: They do it because it fits their agenda.


So you believe that both parties should ignore and ostracize minorities?



James Madison said "If all men were angels, there would be no need for government" Are you saying that democrats just pick the other side of an issue just because its against the republicans? What does that tell you about their party? Instead of working together for the best of the country and reaching a compromise, they just classify all republicans as the enemy and fight them constantly. If there were ethics in government half of the major problems would be eliminated.


Both parties automatically oppose each other, since in the end the only thing that matters is votes. You say that people should work to better the country yet you seem to believe that only white Christians can better the country, why is that? What evidence do you have that suggest that non whites have not assimilated into American "culture"?



We already have 4 major political parties. Just not enough people vote that way. For the most part its 3 Repub, Dem, Independent


Even though I'm a Libertarian, I can't consider the party to be "major" just yet. Both the Democrats and Republicans have been doing their best to stifle the growth of the Libertarian and Green parties. When events like this (http://badnarik.org/supporters/blog/2004/10/08/michael-badnarik-arrested/) no longer occur I'll believe in the notion that the US has four major parties.



Yea i enjoy watchin the history channel I learn a lot. The public education system was required to teach me a selected ciriculum. They cant just flat out lie to me and push their views on us 24-7. But they do deliver information in a way to influence young minds. I did have some liberal teachers who did not push their views on us but we knew how they felt on subjects, which we shouldnt of known. Learning is what you make it. It comes down to the student. If you want to learn nothing should stop you, if you dont want to learn nothing can help you.


Everything that you learn when you are young will influence you, there is no way around that.



But as I said before some events speak for themselfand others do not. But for the most part the way your presented it makes all of the difference. Going back to my first post the way you are raised makes you more susceptable to either accept things or reject them. An example can be hollywood. Movie stars and the media are like "Did brad cheat on jen?" or "Are they going to seperate" then they get divorced. Brad goes on primetime live or some **** and the commercials are like "The interview you dont want to miss, what went wrong in their marriage!" Or he can go on something like Oprah. He goes on and the vibe is that divorcing his wife is bad but pretty acceptable behavior. He starts banging some hottie like Anjolina Jolie and he is portrayed as a total winner for leaving a hot girl for an even hotter girl. This filters down to society and ofcourse people are going to want to emulate him and they convince themselves that this behavior is ok. 50 years ago divorce was out of the question. It could even ruin his career because people would look down on him, thats how it was considered. Now its a socail norm. Divorce is over 50 percent in America. You are almost looked up to for it. Thats just once aspect of how the media can corrupt you. Present information in a way that makes it acceptable.


There's nothing that can be done about this. The media panders to people that have pathetic lives and low intelligence and look towards anything to attempt to fill a void in their lives.



I definitely agree with that. That was one of the major points of my original post. People need to take accountability. And yet you think I don support this? Maybe you should re read my original post again.

I wasn't disagreeing with you necessarily, but you've provided a host of problems but very few possible solutions. I was simply stating that there is not much that can be done to change the current situation.

drstrangepimp
07-07-2005, 12:50 PM
Corporations not cooperations. Yeah, those evil corporations sure do screw us. How dare they provide a service or product that is obviously in demand.

It would be fine if that's all they were doing.

They don't just provide what's in demand. They manipulate people into demanding what they are selling.

Today they are selectively reporting the news, brainwashing us into killing ourselves with ****ty food we wouldn't touch if we knew how it was made with their ubiquitous advertising campaigns and corrupting our minds with their worthless television shows that appeal to the lowest common denominator.

Then people wonder why people do such ****ed up things. They are told that what they are doing is not only ok but normal.

I take issue with America is the most powerful country in the world.

We are heavily in debt. If certain foreign nations decided to stop buying our debt we wouldn't even be able to afford gas money to go invade them.

The "capitalists" have just about run this nation into the ground. If we are so prosperous why do we have to borrow every dollar we spend?

It's like a guy who thinks he's rich because he has a high credit limit on a card with 20% interest and a mercedes bought on a 6 year loan.

He looks cool but he's not rich.

The Big Unit
07-07-2005, 01:12 PM
Throughout history there have always been changes in what nation was the most powerful at each time in History. Just think about it.

Egypt
Roman Empire
Britain/Spain/Dutch/French
America

(Please don't flame me on my history)

And it's only natural that some time sooner or later a new power arrizes and takes over. Just like happened to all of these nations. Not to say that the US will ever fall down to a 3rd world country, but time might come one day when we come in 2nd place over perhaps Japan, or China or a united Europe (Please no flaming again, just thinking out loud).

honeybbqgrundle
07-07-2005, 03:35 PM
. I was taught at a young age as early as first grade the Martin Luther King was a maytyr against the evil white man. I should of been taught to look up to people like Thomas Jefferson or George Washington but I would be shunned upon if I asked about them.....

Ofcourse the school provided sexual education course didnt make things any better by telling me its completely normal to masturbate and have sex just as long as I use a condom.

Nobody is shunned when they ask about Washington or Jefferson. You're either just making stuff up or you've been very poorly educated yourself. MLK was killed for trying to advance a worthy and monumental cause. That sounds like a martyr to me.

So sex and masturbation are not normal? Don't come here complaining about education if you're gonna say things like that. I suppose they're sinful and warrant eternal damnation right?

morgansd12
07-07-2005, 03:46 PM
Corporations not cooperations. Yeah, those evil corporations sure do screw us. How dare they provide a service or product that is obviously in demand.


I especially hate it when they give me a job and offer to pay for my wifes and my own healthcare, and retirement. Mom&Pop companies are so much better because they don't bother with all those borguois benefits. They keep it real.

Person
07-07-2005, 05:19 PM
Throughout history there have always been changes in what nation was the most powerful at each time in History. Just think about it.

Egypt
Roman Empire
Britain/Spain/Dutch/French
America

(Please don't flame me on my history)

And it's only natural that some time sooner or later a new power arrizes and takes over. Just like happened to all of these nations. Not to say that the US will ever fall down to a 3rd world country, but time might come one day when we come in 2nd place over perhaps Japan, or China or a united Europe (Please no flaming again, just thinking out loud).


Europe and Japan have shot themselves in the foot numerous times. Europe would have the ability to, but never will because of nationalism and Japan relies too much on the West and the US anyways. China maybe from a pure man power and size standpoint, but they are limiting themselves by keeping Communism. If they were to move to a more open system, I would start to worry from an economical sense if I was from the West.

WWE-TicK
07-08-2005, 07:15 AM
This has probably occurred to everyone, are you saying that you never received any hostility from a white person? I doubt that, and I know that you didn't automatically discount one white persons actions and project your hatred on all white people, so why do that for races?


Because he's a racist.

Runnin12
07-08-2005, 06:07 PM
It's approx. 35 million.

http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2005-02/05/article05.shtml


I dont believe that. This is from an islamic website. Find one from the gov or some other place and I will believe you. Plus I was referring to muslims in america, not russian muslims.


Terrorists are not going to openly purchase weapons or do any suspicious activity overtly, and if they were planning to truck bomb a civilian target, how would you stop it? Most office buildings have little barricade pillars that will prevent a regular vehicle from reaching the entrance, but a heavy truck would tear through that. There has to be more than profiling in order to stop terrorist attacks, using racial profiling as a primary tool will be a mistake.

I said by enforcing our laws. I would stop it by stopping immigration from islamic countries. If they were not here in the first place it would be very difficult for them to hit us from within. Now i know your going to say im racist for that, but what else are we going to do? Let the terrorist amongst us just because you dont want to hurt anyones feelings? You dont want to be considered racist? If thats the case dont be surprised when another terrorist attack happens on US soil and wonder why. Racial profiling is effective , it is statistically proven that the majority of terrorists are middle eastern, islamic, middle aged etc. I can say the same for people that commit white collar crimes are old white guys. It goes for every group. If a white guy fits a profile to commit a certain crime, profile him. It works. But like i said before we need to fix our immigration policy and enforce the current law and just supplement it with racial profiling.




I'll look into this. However as I have stated several times, Western Europeans have virtually no incentive to move over here.

Thats not entirely true. Do you really think its better in europe then it is over here? They are dealing with the same problems. America is the foundation for all major businesses in the world there is great oppurtunity.


This has probably occurred to everyone, are you saying that you never received any hostility from a white person? I doubt that, and I know that you didn't automatically discount one white persons actions and project your hatred on all white people, so why do that for races?

Dont label me a racist. Can we have a constructive discussion without you labeling me something? I am not racist and far from it. I hate racist people so it pisses me off when you say im racist. I was just saying the crime associated with illegal immigration is not to be ignored. You obvously didnt grow up in a bad area so you dont know what your talking about. Your sitting in some university somewhere just criticizing because all of the minorities you know work hard and try. You havent been anywhere near the truth so its easy just to ignore the side that you dont want to hear. I just see the huge crime because of illegal immigration. In LA so many violent gangs are from latinos who are illegal. Our prison is filled with people that dont even belong here and you have to pay to support them for crimes they commited here.


You sound as if you've read a few books by Pat Buchanan and been indoctrinated by his ethnocentric xenophobia. How are you so certain that people that are not white will have different view than yourself, have you heard of the expression "never judge a book by its cover"? It seems that this entire time you've been silently referring to Muslims, and also the US is not a "white" country, if you want to live in a "white" country you can go to Belarus, or any Eastern European country.

#1- I can just as easily say you watch way to much CNN and need to stop watching the news. You completely ignore my posts. Its ridiculous. Didnt I say that I disagree with republicans and democrats? Jeez. Im not in the first grade you dont need to bring up dont judge a book by its cover expression. Dont you even know your own history? THE USA WAS A WHITE COUNTRY AND STILL IS. ITS BEING HIJACKED BY LIBERALS TO MAKE IT A NON WHITE COUNTRY. And your saying I should leave? If you support minorities so much why dont you move to mexico or a radical islamic country and see how much you like it.


The largest minority in the US is Hispanics (with Asians trailing them in growth), so there is no chance of a 'radical Islamic President' and even if a Muslim were to run for president I'm sure he would be assassinated or receive so many death threats that he would drop out.

Yes, today a islamic president would be out of the question. Im referring to the far future. It would be generations before such a thing could happen but it will happen if trends keep going this way. If muslims ever become a majority, or latinos, what would stop them from electing someone who represents the majority of the people?


So if everyone is Catholic, that means that there is no crime and Poland is a virtual utopia? Most South Americans are Catholic, however by your requirements they are not acceptable since they can't fulfill the second requirement of being white. :rolleyes:

What is it with these aruguments? Yes there is really no crime in poland :rolleyes:


So you believe that both parties should ignore and ostracize minorities?

Instead of trying to please americans they are catering to minorities that shouldnt even be here.


Both parties automatically oppose each other, since in the end the only thing that matters is votes. You say that people should work to better the country yet you seem to believe that only white Christians can better the country, why is that? What evidence do you have that suggest that non whites have not assimilated into American "culture"?

I said time and time again legal, small, limited immigration is good.


Everything that you learn when you are young will influence you, there is no way around that.

Didnt I say that in my first post? Why dont you ever agree with what I say? You just re state it like I never said it and try to enlighten me by repeating my own point.


There's nothing that can be done about this. The media panders to people that have pathetic lives and low intelligence and look towards anything to attempt to fill a void in their lives.

No, you can be raised a certain way but the media still is very powerful by constantly trying to push their views on people. Ofcourse there is something that can be done about this. Anyone who has taken journalisim 101 knows you are supposed to deliver the news from a non biased viewpoint. Its ridiculous. They are breaking their own rules.


I wasn't disagreeing with you necessarily, but you've provided a host of problems but very few possible solutions. I was simply stating that there is not much that can be done to change the current situation.

Terrorism/ immigration For terrorism, I would dramatically stop immigration from middle eastern countries and change it back in favor to european countries. I would definitely allow immigration from other countries from like mexico, south america, and give them 2nd priority but it would still be relatively easy for them to come as well because I STRONGLY believe that having people of the same race is wrong. This breeds hate and intolerance. If all people here were white there would be racism, and I would prevent that. For illegal immigration I would just put people that can enforce the laws and fire the guys who arent doing their job. Fine businesses that hire illegals. 3 strikes your out, if they get caught 3 times were shutting you down. I would even strike a deal with corporations saying you like cheap labor which is normal, but we the government, will give you a tax cut of this much money if you hire americans and not illegals. For corporations it will be cheaper to go this route instead of hiring illegals because they will get a big tax cut. Stupid laws like being entitled to a lawyer and a court date would be thrown out the window. Just slow bureacracy that I would cut down.

education- University professors are overwhelmingly liberal. One of my own professors said in a poll they did 99-1 professors were liberal and only 1 voted republican. I would make them hire an equal number of republicans or I would stop all federal funding to the school and give heavy fines. I would maybe even start a department above the school board just dealing with this problem. The deans will have to be approved by the board and if they keep hiring liberal teachers they will be fired and replaced with a favorable person. Its really sad that liberals hijacked education and only hire liberals and we have to fight them this way. I dont mind having liberal teachers its just needs balance.


Because he's a racist.

If liberals didnt have the word racist they would destory half of their arguments. Please dont call me a racist just because I think our immigration policy shoudl have some structure. I hate racist people and I shouldnt have to prove that to you. Dont just brush me off because you think im racist.

Runnin12
07-08-2005, 06:19 PM
Nobody is shunned when they ask about Washington or Jefferson. You're either just making stuff up or you've been very poorly educated yourself. MLK was killed for trying to advance a worthy and monumental cause. That sounds like a martyr to me.

#1- I never disagreed with Martin Luther King. I remember vividly asking about Washington and Jefferson and I was brushed off. We spent most our time on martin luther king and very little time on washington and our founding fathers. I think its important to learn about martin luther king, I was just saying he shouldnt of been our primary focus.


So sex and masturbation are not normal? Don't come here complaining about education if you're gonna say things like that. I suppose they're sinful and warrant eternal damnation right?

Yea go sleep around with 20 different girls and masturbate to porn all you want. I was taught to think it was acceptable behavior. Chasing girls consumed me, and I became addicted to it. I just thought of girls as objects. Whenever i talked to girls it was the only thing on my mind. My relationships with girls only consisted of me trying to get in her pants. Every time I would talk to them it was like "what could i say to get in her pants?". I didnt really respect girls or see them as people man, just a piece of meat. Now that I strayed away from that I feel like I was given back my freedom. Now I look at girls as just regular people and I wouldnt want to have it any other way. Your just pissed because what Im saying is against your lifestyle and you dont want to think what your doing may be wrong or bad overall. I wasnt specifically talking to you, it was just through personal expierience that i came to feel this way. I felt totally empty when i was chasing girls. I can bet my left nut you couldnt last 1 month without porn, blowing your load or sleeping with some girl.

drstrangepimp
07-08-2005, 07:42 PM
I especially hate it when they give me a job and offer to pay for my wifes and my own healthcare, and retirement. Mom&Pop companies are so much better because they don't bother with all those borguois benefits. They keep it real.


Enron kept it real. Real real.

That pension plan was a humdinger.

I also like how those airlines reneg on paying the pensions whenever they find themselves in bankrupcy court.

fireman_x
07-09-2005, 04:28 PM
I dont believe that. This is from an islamic website. Find one from the gov or some other place and I will believe you. Plus I was referring to muslims in america, not russian muslims.


Before I looked that up I was going to assume that there was over 100 million Muslims in Eastern Europe (due to the Ottoman Empire), but whether or not you believe the numbers is irrelevant. How many American born Muslims have committed terrorists acts? From what I've heard none have, and Bin Laden already claimed that he would recruit non Arabs to bypass American racial profiling at airports.



I said by enforcing our laws. I would stop it by stopping immigration from islamic countries. If they were not here in the first place it would be very difficult for them to hit us from within. Now i know your going to say im racist for that, but what else are we going to do? Let the terrorist amongst us just because you dont want to hurt anyones feelings? You dont want to be considered racist? If thats the case dont be surprised when another terrorist attack happens on US soil and wonder why. Racial profiling is effective , it is statistically proven that the majority of terrorists are middle eastern, islamic, middle aged etc. I can say the same for people that commit white collar crimes are old white guys. It goes for every group. If a white guy fits a profile to commit a certain crime, profile him. It works. But like i said before we need to fix our immigration policy and enforce the current law and just supplement it with racial profiling.


There should be more to the screening process than just race, as I've said before I don't believe that racial profiling would work, especially with an open southern border. I read an article a while ago about Mexican officials capturing a Middle Eastern man with possible Al Qaeda connections.



Thats not entirely true. Do you really think its better in europe then it is over here? They are dealing with the same problems. America is the foundation for all major businesses in the world there is great oppurtunity.


I didn't say Europe was better I said it's basically the same, and that is why you see little immigration from Western Europe. Countries such as France and Germany and dealing with problems that they created. If they removed work restrictions they would most likely see an increase in productivity and well as their GDP. I've heard of how France has reduced the hours of they workweeks and that no one works on Sunday in Germany but even ignoring those factors those two countries along with Western Europe are still great places to live if you are a white collar worker.

Also your statement of America being the foundation of all major businesses in the world is incredibly incorrect.




Dont label me a racist. Can we have a constructive discussion without you labeling me something? I am not racist and far from it. I hate racist people so it pisses me off when you say im racist. I was just saying the crime associated with illegal immigration is not to be ignored. You obvously didnt grow up in a bad area so you dont know what your talking about. Your sitting in some university somewhere just criticizing because all of the minorities you know work hard and try. You havent been anywhere near the truth so its easy just to ignore the side that you dont want to hear. I just see the huge crime because of illegal immigration. In LA so many violent gangs are from latinos who are illegal. Our prison is filled with people that dont even belong here and you have to pay to support them for crimes they commited here.


I did not grow up in a bad area, however I did not live in the nicest of places when I was younger and I have had a lot of conflicts with people of other races. Also, I actually did not claim nor state that you were a racist, WWE-Tick did, however you clearly have some issues with your belief that white Christians are more valuable than any other populous.

Why is it not good enough for immigrants to solely be Christian, why is being white an additional requirement? In the West you have churches admitting gay priests, much to the disdain of churches in Africa and Asia, so why is it that you believe that you have the moral high-ground?



#1- I can just as easily say you watch way to much CNN and need to stop watching the news.

I don't even watch tv, and if I did have time I would only watch CNBC, stop making foolish accusations.



You completely ignore my posts. Its ridiculous. Didnt I say that I disagree with republicans and democrats? Jeez. Im not in the first grade you dont need to bring up dont judge a book by its cover expression. Dont you even know your own history? THE USA WAS A WHITE COUNTRY AND STILL IS. ITS BEING HIJACKED BY LIBERALS TO MAKE IT A NON WHITE COUNTRY. And your saying I should leave? If you support minorities so much why dont you move to mexico or a radical islamic country and see how much you like it.


Yes America is a "white" country that was built on the backs of slaves, not to mention that there were other non-white people living here first. For my response to your comment about supporting minorities you may want to sit down, have a glass of water and take a few deep breaths before you continue reading.


I am not white.


Are you surprised, are you in shock? You seem to be the only person in this section that did not know that.




Yes, today a islamic president would be out of the question. Im referring to the far future. It would be generations before such a thing could happen but it will happen if trends keep going this way. If muslims ever become a majority, or latinos, what would stop them from electing someone who represents the majority of the people?


Maybe if you would stop ostracizing minorities you would find out they are not that different than you and would not simply vote for someone based on race.



What is it with these aruguments? Yes there is really no crime in poland :rolleyes:


Then stop trying to make it sound like a utopia due to race and religion.



Instead of trying to please americans they are catering to minorities that shouldnt even be here.


Illegal immigrants cannot vote.



I said time and time again legal, small, limited immigration is good.


You also said that you only wanted immigration to come from European countries primarily.




No, you can be raised a certain way but the media still is very powerful by constantly trying to push their views on people. Ofcourse there is something that can be done about this. Anyone who has taken journalisim 101 knows you are supposed to deliver the news from a non biased viewpoint. Its ridiculous. They are breaking their own rules.


I'm a business student so no, I never had a Journalism class. It's clear that the media simply tells people what they want to hear for profit purposes, with all of the media conglomerates what would you expect?



Terrorism/ immigration For terrorism, I would dramatically stop immigration from middle eastern countries and change it back in favor to european countries. I would definitely allow immigration from other countries from like mexico, south america, and give them 2nd priority but it would still be relatively easy for them to come as well because I STRONGLY believe that having people of the same race is wrong. This breeds hate and intolerance. If all people here were white there would be racism, and I would prevent that. For illegal immigration I would just put people that can enforce the laws and fire the guys who arent doing their job. Fine businesses that hire illegals. 3 strikes your out, if they get caught 3 times were shutting you down. I would even strike a deal with corporations saying you like cheap labor which is normal, but we the government, will give you a tax cut of this much money if you hire americans and not illegals. For corporations it will be cheaper to go this route instead of hiring illegals because they will get a big tax cut. Stupid laws like being entitled to a lawyer and a court date would be thrown out the window. Just slow bureacracy that I would cut down.


Even if you placed a welcome mat for Europeans you would not see much of a change, also I don't understand your "I STRONGLY believe that having people of the same race is wrong" comment.



education- University professors are overwhelmingly liberal. One of my own professors said in a poll they did 99-1 professors were liberal and only 1 voted republican. I would make them hire an equal number of republicans or I would stop all federal funding to the school and give heavy fines. I would maybe even start a department above the school board just dealing with this problem. The deans will have to be approved by the board and if they keep hiring liberal teachers they will be fired and replaced with a favorable person. Its really sad that liberals hijacked education and only hire liberals and we have to fight them this way. I dont mind having liberal teachers its just needs balance.


Discrimination based on political affiliation would never work, I could expound on this but I'll refrain for now.

Runnin12
07-09-2005, 08:12 PM
Sry man but do you have rocks in your head? I cant communicate with you. My points just bounce off your head and hit the ground. Or you just rephrase them and throw them back to me and pass them off as your own. You ask me a question, I answer it, and then you ask me it again. Its ridiculous. If not that you ask me some irrelevant question that Im not even talking about.



Before I looked that up I was going to assume that there was over 100 million Muslims in Eastern Europe (due to the Ottoman Empire), but whether or not you believe the numbers is irrelevant. How many American born Muslims have committed terrorists acts?

Well, considering the muslim community has been very small in the last 50 years none. But judging from history I could definitely bet if things keep going this way and the muslim population keeps growing its only a matter of time. I know over hundreds of American muslims and even if some are "nice" guys, they all have major animosity towards the US. MY neighbor is muslim, he is one of my good friends. But whenever we start talking about politics and religion he goes haywire. He flat out tells me ridiculous **** like the CIA was behind the terrorist attacks in the russian school. Its obvous that he would take the side of Islam on any issue over America and this goes for all the muslims I know. What it comes down to are people smart enough to realize that Islam is what we are fighting? This is not a conventional war we can win by beating an army. The only way we can win is protecting ourselves. What are we going to do launch war against islam? Kill every muslim? No, all we can do is protect ourselves from them. Its only a matter of time before they bring that middle east **** over here. Bin laden openly says this is a holy war and we must kill all of the american infidels. We are the enemy to them. How many terrorist attacks have they hit us with? They burn synagogues in france, now terrorist bombings in england. They are always causing problems. Its only in Islam where they cant get along with their neighbors. Now people like you support them, and your openly on the side of the enemy. Im better then having hatred towards them, I just dont want to deal with the middle east ****. I would kick em out, leave them alone for the most part, no hard feelings. They hate us no matter what we do. Look at Clinton, how many terrorist attacks happened under his admin? I count the 2nd 9-11 under clintons admin. The liberal approach sucks, the repub approach sucks. The only way we can win is protecting ourselves the best we can. I wouldnt let them in America and I would beef up our military again like Reagen did. All we can do is watch to see what happens in Iraq and if we can get the country under control. The problem is Islam is indoctrinating kids to want to kill americans in the name of the holy quran from a young age. We have to shut this **** down.


Bin Laden already claimed that he would recruit non Arabs to bypass American racial profiling at airports.

Here you are pointing out to me that Bin Laden admits racial profilling is a problem for him, because it does not help his cause. This is proof that racial profilling helps. How many times do I have to tell you that its just one aspect of the problem. I cant believe im sitting here repeating myself. For the 3rd time this alone would not fix the root of the problem but it would help in our defense. Plus he doesnt even have to put white muslims because we removed the policy because of liberal cronies like you.



There should be more to the screening process than just race, as I've said before I don't believe that racial profiling would work, especially with an open southern border. I read an article a while ago about Mexican officials capturing a Middle Eastern man with possible Al Qaeda connections.

IT DOES WORK. IT HAS WORKED. It severly weakens bin laden because the most loyal arabs are middle eastern. Have some common sense, I shouldnt have to reply to your stupid arguments. What I mean is ofcourse strengthen our screening process but I was only talking about racial profiling.



Also your statement of America being the foundation of all major businesses in the world is incredibly incorrect.

There is great oppurtunity here major such as some of the worlds biggest companies and competition. Take music of movies for example, why do you see canadains making it big in hollywood? Simply because they couldnt reach the same level as if they were in canada.


however you clearly have some issues with your belief that white Christians are more valuable than any other populous.

No, I never said that. I just said the foundation of American was primarily white judeo christian up untill the 1960's. I just dont think white should be the minority in their own country. I just dont want people over here who are hostile to everything america stands for and dont share the same beliefs.


Why is it not good enough for immigrants to solely be Christian, why is being white an additional requirement? In the West you have churches admitting gay priests, much to the disdain of churches in Africa and Asia, so why is it that you believe that you have the moral high-ground?

They dont have to be white. Many other countries are christian and not white. As for the gay priests, that is church corruption trying to cater to democrats. They caved in under pressure. I am not a big fan of organized religion.


I don't even watch tv, and if I did have time I would only watch CNBC, stop making foolish accusations.

You pulled that same **** on me and I just said i could easly say you watch tv you really need to work on your reading and comprehension considering I never accused you of watching tv.




Maybe if you would stop ostracizing minorities you would find out they are not that different than you and would not simply vote for someone based on race.

Get real. They will vote for someone who represents them. They will vote for someone who shares their same views.




Then stop trying to make it sound like a utopia due to race and religion.

psssshhhhhhhh *takes deep breath and shakes head in dissapiontment*
I just said we should go back to our orginal immigration policy. Its obvous our current one is failed with crime increasing and the problems being brought by bringing people from different groups with different views.



Illegal immigrants cannot vote.

They have political power. About 2 months ago a group of illegal immigrants got on tv and were protesting arnold schwartzennegger for not being able to have drivers liscenses. What a joke.



You also said that you only wanted immigration to come from European countries primarily.

Yea, thats how it was before. It was successful this way and it should go back that way.


I STRONGLY believe that having people of the same race is wrong" comment.

I already answered your question but it breeds racism also other races can contribute. Really im not going to respond to you anymore because your posts are just redundant, and nothing is getting through. A lot of your arguments are just ridiculous. Your main problem is that your not objective. You totally just miss my points.

honeybbqgrundle
07-09-2005, 10:07 PM
Chasing girls consumed me, and I became addicted to it. I just thought of girls as objects. Whenever i talked to girls it was the only thing on my mind. My relationships with girls only consisted of me trying to get in her pants. Every time I would talk to them it was like "what could i say to get in her pants?". I didnt really respect girls or see them as people man, just a piece of meat.

This will be my last post and I'll let you and fireman resume your argument, but just because you had this problem doesn't mean everyone else does. Because you couldn't see a woman as anything but a sex object that somehow makes sex and masturbation wrong? And then what? You turned off your sex drive and you magically recovered, or you fixed the problem that YOU created for yourself and had tried to blame on society?

fireman_x
07-10-2005, 01:42 PM
Sry man but do you have rocks in your head?

I knew that you would eventually resort to insults, it's just more proof of your lack of debating skills. I'll tell you the reason that you're frustrated, you've been trying to push your ethnocentric xenophobia on me believing that I was white and I was simply playing along trying to find the reasoning behind your logic (I've now come to realize that there is none). I thought about simply calling you a racist with your first post, but people like yourself will claim that I'm using the "race card" by doing that. I've clearly wasted my time by responding all this time you clearly have issues with non-whites that will probably never be resolved.



I cant communicate with you. My points just bounce off your head and hit the ground. Or you just rephrase them and throw them back to me and pass them off as your own. You ask me a question, I answer it, and then you ask me it again. Its ridiculous. If not that you ask me some irrelevant question that Im not even talking about.


I've made no irrelevant statements and if you believe that I'm simply rewording your statements in order to make you look foolish that is also incorrect (you do that automatically), you have simply done a horrible job of communicating since what you've written and my responses have been totally different. Look at your prior posts, they are full of numerous spelling and grammatical errors, half of it is barely intelligible.



Well, considering the muslim community has been very small in the last 50 years none. But judging from history I could definitely bet if things keep going this way and the muslim population keeps growing its only a matter of time. I know over hundreds of American muslims and even if some are "nice" guys, they all have major animosity towards the US. MY neighbor is muslim, he is one of my good friends. But whenever we start talking about politics and religion he goes haywire. He flat out tells me ridiculous **** like the CIA was behind the terrorist attacks in the russian school. Its obvous that he would take the side of Islam on any issue over America and this goes for all the muslims I know. What it comes down to are people smart enough to realize that Islam is what we are fighting? The only way we can win is protecting ourselves. They are always causing problems. Its only in Islam where they cant get along with their neighbors. Now people like you support them, and your openly on the side of the enemy.

:rolleyes:

I seriously doubt that you have a Muslim neighbor or that you even know one not to talk about "hundreds", but since this is the internet I can't prove you wrong. :rolleyes: The US foreign policy is the primary problem that most foreigners have with the US, from unfair trade agreements, to the unwavering stance on Israel and everything in between.



Here you are pointing out to me that Bin Laden admits racial profilling is a problem for him, because it does not help his cause. This is proof that racial profilling helps. How many times do I have to tell you that its just one aspect of the problem. I cant believe im sitting here repeating myself. For the 3rd time this alone would not fix the root of the problem but it would help in our defense. Plus he doesnt even have to put white muslims because we removed the policy because of liberal cronies like you.


Bin Laden made a statement claiming that if racial profiling become a problem e he would recruit non-Arab Muslims, which could include Muslims from East Africa, South America, Eastern Europe and Asia (including China), so basically anyone from any race could be a terrorist, but I know this won't deter you from foolishly believing that all Middle Eastern people are terrorists, not to mention that there are people from Lebanon, Syria, Turkey and Iran that can pass as white.

Next you want to call me a "liberal" which seems to be the slur of choice for you conservatives. I will never agree with racial profiling because I am not white, you on the other hand know that since you are white you'll never have to deal with the problems that racial profiling creates. If it was white people being profiled you would be up in arms crying about your rights being violated. It's easy for you to watch people being automatically "criminalized" due to there race, but if the roles were reversed you opinion would would drastically different.

There are a few other people on this forum that claim the same false political neutrality saying that you dislike both Democrats and Republicans, but as soon as you get trapped in a corner doe to your senseless opinions, you will show your true colors and start calling people "liberals", "traitors" or "Communists", etc. Your statements worshiping Reagan and your stance on race relations in this country prove that you are a true Republican conservative.



IT DOES WORK. IT HAS WORKED. It severly weakens bin laden because the most loyal arabs are middle eastern. Have some common sense, I shouldnt have to reply to your stupid arguments. What I mean is ofcourse strengthen our screening process but I was only talking about racial profiling.


Bin Laden has not been stopped and the Al Qaeda network is still functioning quite effectively (as London proved). I'm not saying that Middle Eastern people should be ignored but when you shift your focus disproportionately you will leave openings. Racial profiling will not stop terrorists from entering the country illegally (remember that all of the hijackers entered legally) and it will not prevent terrorists from striking US targets overseas.



There is great oppurtunity here major such as some of the worlds biggest companies and competition. Take music of movies for example, why do you see canadains making it big in hollywood? Simply because they couldnt reach the same level as if they were in canada.


This Hollywood example is pathetic, you clearly know nothing about international business and I won't waste my time turning this into a business related thread since you would simply continue to disagree with me in order to attempt to save face. Also for someone who claims to hate Hollywood you seem to know everything that's going on, as if you have a tabloid subscription.



No, I never said that. I just said the foundation of American was primarily white judeo christian up untill the 1960's. I just dont think white should be the minority in their own country. I just dont want people over here who are hostile to everything america stands for and dont share the same beliefs.


Most foreigners are not hostile, I wish you would get this through your head, but since you probably know no foreigners or non-whites in general it seems that you will never realize that.



They dont have to be white. Many other countries are christian and not white. As for the gay priests, that is church corruption trying to cater to democrats. They caved in under pressure. I am not a big fan of organized religion.


I alomost can't beleive this statement, you kept running you mouth about "white Christian" this and "white Christian" that, and now you say you're not "a big fan of organized religion"? :rolleyes:



Get real. They will vote for someone who represents them. They will vote for someone who shares their same views.


You've already displayed a wealth of ignorance when in comes to minorities so obviously your claims here carry no weight. People will vote for who they believe is the best candidate regardless of race (except for people like yourself), and as Americans our goals should not vary by an incredible margin.



psssshhhhhhhh *takes deep breath and shakes head in dissapiontment*
I just said we should go back to our orginal immigration policy. Its obvous our current one is failed with crime increasing and the problems being brought by bringing people from different groups with different views.


The problem is not with people having different views, it's people like yourself that are unwilling to accept the fact that people are different than you, this thread is proof of that.



They have political power. About 2 months ago a group of illegal immigrants got on tv and were protesting arnold schwartzennegger for not being able to have drivers liscenses. What a joke.


I can't believe this, there is no way that illegal immigrants would ever protest out in public, they are far too afraid of being deported and they could have been arrested if that was the case. It seems that you simply generalized that since they were Hispanics at the protest that they must have been illegal.



Yea, thats how it was before. It was successful this way and it should go back that way.


It won't, so get used to it.



I already answered your question but it breeds racism also other races can contribute. Really im not going to respond to you anymore because your posts are just redundant, and nothing is getting through. A lot of your arguments are just ridiculous. Your main problem is that your not objective. You totally just miss my points.

You say nothing is getting through simply because it's impossible for you to convince me to accept your white supremacist view point. Racism only stems from close-minded people like yourself who for whatever reason believe that people that appear different that yourself are in some way a threat. You clearly believe that white people are superior to all other races for a myriad of illogical reasons, so there's no point in trying to convince you otherwise. You can continue on in your ethnocentric, xenophobic ways, I'm finished with this thread.

AntonToo
07-10-2005, 01:46 PM
This website is very much one person's rant and nothing more.
USA is fine and doing better then most in fact.

Runnin12
07-11-2005, 05:23 PM
I knew that you would eventually resort to insults, it's just more proof of your lack of debating skills. I'll tell you the reason that you're frustrated, you've been trying to push your ethnocentric xenophobia on me believing that I was white and I was simply playing along trying to find the reasoning behind your logic (I've now come to realize that there is none). I thought about simply calling you a racist with your first post, but people like yourself will claim that I'm using the "race card" by doing that. I've clearly wasted my time by responding all this time you clearly have issues with non-whites that will probably never be resolved.

No, i wasted my time. And yes I have issues with non whites, specifically arabs. Im not afraid to say it. They are who we are fighting, and your a dumbass for not agreeing with me. And lack of debating skills, we are just going in a circle and its due to you asking me the same questions and repeating the same ****.


I've made no irrelevant statements and if you believe that I'm simply rewording your statements in order to make you look foolish that is also incorrect (you do that automatically), you have simply done a horrible job of communicating since what you've written and my responses have been totally different. Look at your prior posts, they are full of numerous spelling and grammatical errors, half of it is barely intelligible.

You need to go back to school. Work on your reading and comprehension. What is this drivil? Spelling errors maybe but other then that my writing is clean.


:rolleyes:


The US foreign policy is the primary problem that most foreigners have with the US, from unfair trade agreements, to the unwavering stance on Israel and everything in between.

LMFAO your an idiot. Terrorists hate us because of our foriegn policy? They will hate us no matter what we do. Thats just the way it is.


Bin Laden made a statement claiming that if racial profiling become a problem e he would recruit non-Arab Muslims, which could include Muslims from East Africa, South America, Eastern Europe and Asia (including China), so basically anyone from any race could be a terrorist, but I know this won't deter you from foolishly believing that all Middle Eastern people are terrorists, not to mention that there are people from Lebanon, Syria, Turkey and Iran that can pass as white.

I never said everyone in the middle east are terrorists. This is the **** im talking about. You keep putting words in my mouth. All of the the major terrorist attacks against the US have been from middle easterners. In England its the same thing. You are to dumb to realize that. I never said all middle eastern people are terrorists so lay off. A lot of muslims are 2 faced, they lie straight to your face. The majority of them have major animosity towards the US. It doesnt help them for us to have racial profiling. Even bin laden said that and you disagree and say it doesnt work. :rolleyes: If there were 40 terrorist attacks, and all of the people that commited them were all radical islamic middle aged men what would that tell you? Should we just ignore statistical evidence? Ofcourse we should there is no correlation this data is just bull****! Its unfair to racially profile :rolleyes:


Next you want to call me a "liberal" which seems to be the slur of choice for you conservatives. I will never agree with racial profiling because I am not white, you on the other hand know that since you are white you'll never have to deal with the problems that racial profiling creates. If it was white people being profiled you would be up in arms crying about your rights being violated. It's easy for you to watch people being automatically "criminalized" due to there race, but if the roles were reversed you opinion would would drastically different.

Who do you think are getting profiled now? Its whites getting profiled in airports. They cant go after the statistically proven guys who commit crime. Racial profiling is not racist. Its not only used in airports but by police officers and so on. Dont be surprised when the next 9-11 happens. Just know that your responsible because you didnt want to hurt anyones "feelings". And you dont think whites were getting profiled as well? It doesnt have anything to do with your race it just has to do with who is likely to commit a crime.


There are a few other people on this forum that claim the same false political neutrality saying that you dislike both Democrats and Republicans, but as soon as you get trapped in a corner doe to your senseless opinions

You are on the side of the enemy, you are defending them.


you will show your true colors and start calling people "liberals", "traitors" or "Communists", etc. Your statements worshiping Reagan and your stance on race relations in this country prove that you are a true Republican conservative.

Do you think the republicans today are true republican conservatives? No, republican policies completely changed since Reagen. Thats why I am not a republican. They are more liberal then anything else. Yes, I do like Reagen. If your suggesting that I am a true republican because I followed the conservative policies of the 80's then yes your right. Good job on figuring that out :rolleyes:



Bin Laden has not been stopped and the Al Qaeda network is still functioning quite effectively (as London proved). I'm not saying that Middle Eastern people should be ignored


Thats exactly the message your sending. What is your solution to dealing with terrorists? Kiss their ass? Apply the geneva convention to them? If we were to follow your policies kiss this country goodbye.

but when you shift your focus disproportionately you will leave openings.
Racial profiling will not stop terrorists from entering the country illegally (remember that all of the hijackers entered legally)


This is a perfect example of what Im talking about. How many times did I tell you this? I told you at least 3 times that racial profiling will not fix the problem. Again your repeating **** we already went over. And all of the hijackers entering illegally, what does that tell you?


and it will not prevent terrorists from striking US targets overseas.

That I can agree on.



Most foreigners are not hostile

I never said that. I said most middle eastern countries are hostile. Another example of your nonsense.



I alomost can't beleive this statement, you kept running you mouth about "white Christian" this and "white Christian" that, and now you say you're not "a big fan of organized religion"? :rolleyes:

Living a religous life and following fundamental religous principle is completely different from going to church every sunday. I will tell you again even though I already explained it. Organized religion is to political for me. Example they appiont female pastors and gay bishops. This is clearly against the bible. Arent they supposed to worship God and not man ?


You've already displayed a wealth of ignorance when in comes to minorities so obviously your claims here carry no weight.

No, its the other way around. You obvously havent lived in a bad area and see the real problems. You only see what the media wants you to see. You dont know **** about arabs, islam, and immigration.


People will vote for who they believe is the best candidate regardless of race (except for people like yourself), and as Americans our goals should not vary by an incredible margin.

Yes that can be true but in the majority of cases people will vote for the person who represents them the best. In an arabic country do you think they are going to vote for some white christian or some radical islamic guy? According to you obvously the white guy.


The problem is not with people having different views, it's people like yourself that are unwilling to accept the fact that people are different than you, this thread is proof of that.

Bull****, you only point out certain things of what I say and disregard everything else so you can form a bull**** point. Thats your problem and why I dont like talking to you.


I can't believe this, there is no way that illegal immigrants would ever protest out in public, they are far too afraid of being deported and they could have been arrested if that was the case. It seems that you simply generalized that since they were Hispanics at the protest that they must have been illegal.

this is proof that your completely out of reality. On the ****ing news they said "These undocumented immigrants protested the governor in san jose" And you actually expect them to deport them? Its a ****ing joke they are not enforcing the law. Your so lost. Where have you been the last 10 years?


You say nothing is getting through simply because it's impossible for you to convince me to accept your white supremacist view point. Racism only stems from close-minded people like yourself who for whatever reason believe that people that appear different that yourself are in some way a threat. You clearly believe that white people are superior to all other races for a myriad of illogical reasons, so there's no point in trying to convince you otherwise. You can continue on in your ethnocentric, xenophobic ways, I'm finished with this thread.

Yea right label me a racist. This way you can continue to be a dumbass. Yes your right on everything :rolleyes:

AntonToo
07-12-2005, 06:25 AM
And yes I have issues with non whites, specifically arabs. Im not afraid to say it. They are who we are fighting, and your a dumbass for not agreeing with me.


Dude you are retarted and got no clue as to reality. I just hope you understand that well. Take your prejeduce is shove it bud.

Most middle easter countries are not "hostile", most arabs are not "hostile". You have an arab phobia or something, so go see a doc. 99.99999% of arabs are not terrorists.

The guy the say is responsable for explosions in in England and helping out wiht 9/11? He looks like a fukin Chuck Norris.

And what were your issues with other non-whites again?

fireman_x
07-12-2005, 12:44 PM
No, i wasted my time. And yes I have issues with non whites, specifically arabs. Im not afraid to say it. They are who we are fighting, and your a dumbass for not agreeing with me. And lack of debating skills, we are just going in a circle and its due to you asking me the same questions and repeating the same ****.


:rolleyes:

I was going to digress from responding, but since you continue to proclaim lies as fact I'm forced to respond once again to shut down your idiocy.

You claim I'm a "dumbass" for not agreeing with your racist ideals? How many times to I have to let you know that I'm not white before you get it?



You need to go back to school.


I'm actually still in school, not everyone drops out as you obviously did.



Work on your reading and comprehension. What is this drivil? Spelling errors maybe but other then that my writing is clean.


I need to work on my reading comprehension? Your next statement and a few others will show the opposite, not to mention that if you were to run your posts though spell check you would see that probably one in five of the multi-syllable words that you typed contained errors. Even though your posts are barely comprehensible, even if you improved you spelling and grammar your posts would still be filled with the same amount of hate speech, so it really does not matter.



LMFAO your an idiot. Terrorists hate us because of our foriegn policy? They will hate us no matter what we do. Thats just the way it is.


First it's "you're" not "your", you clown and since when did "foreigners" become synonymous with "terrorists"? With your small mined warped views I can see how you came to that false conclusion. You're a clown if you believe that terrorism has absolutely no reasoning behind it, however I won't waste my time divulging into that since you're clearly to simple-minded to understand.



I never said everyone in the middle east are terrorists. This is the **** im talking about. You keep putting words in my mouth.


Yet you say that they are "the enemy".



All of the the major terrorist attacks against the US have been from middle easterners.

Yeah it's a good thing they were able to catch Timothy McVeigh, since he and his Islamic terror network were behind the OKC bombing. :rolleyes:



In England its the same thing. You are to dumb to realize that. I never said all middle eastern people are terrorists so lay off. A lot of muslims are 2 faced, they lie straight to your face.

A lot of people in general are two faced (as you seem to be displaying from beginning with a somewhat rational (yet unintelligent) argument to ranting like a crackhead), the fact that you believe that a specific characteristic applies more so to one race based on your limited experiences shows how severely your logic is flawed.



The majority of them have major animosity towards the US. It doesnt help them for us to have racial profiling. Even bin laden said that and you disagree and say it doesnt work. :rolleyes: If there were 40 terrorist attacks, and all of the people that commited them were all radical islamic middle aged men what would that tell you? Should we just ignore statistical evidence?


You would have to be a complete fool to believe that Al Qaeda is planning to attempt another hijacking after security has been stepped up. The fact that Americans are so paranoid that they seem to only care about airline security will leave other avenues for terrorists to attack, which has been my point this entire thread.



Who do you think are getting profiled now? Its whites getting profiled in airports. They cant go after the statistically proven guys who commit crime. Racial profiling is not racist. Its not only used in airports but by police officers and so on. Dont be surprised when the next 9-11 happens. And you dont think whites were getting profiled as well? It doesnt have anything to do with your race it just has to do with who is likely to commit a crime.


You need to leave you little hillbilly hick town and go to an airport in the "big city" as you would call it. Then you will finally notice that at airports everyone is screened as it should be.



You are on the side of the enemy, you are defending them.


I disagree with a lot of aspects of Islam however I see no need to stereotype all Muslims since I'm not ignorant, as you are.



Thats exactly the message your sending. What is your solution to dealing with terrorists? Kiss their ass? Apply the geneva convention to them? If we were to follow your policies kiss this country goodbye.


I have no sympathy for actual terrorists, you on the other hand want to convict everyone that you suspect is a terrorist due to their race, there is infact a difference.



This is a perfect example of what Im talking about. How many times did I tell you this? I told you at least 3 times that racial profiling will not fix the problem. Again your repeating **** we already went over.

You main rant has been on enforcing racial profiling and I believe that should not be a primary tactic.


And all of the hijackers entering illegally, what does that tell you?

Here your comprehension comes into question once again. Most of the hijackers entered the US legally, they simply overstayed their Visas, and due to the incompetency of government officials nothing was done. I know how to wonder as to whether you are dyslexic, how can you confuse legally and illegally and then try and adamantly through your incorrect assumtion in my face?



I never said that. I said most middle eastern countries are hostile. Another example of your nonsense.


You've at least implied that several times (and I don't feel like looking though your past posts) and the following quote shows, "And yes I have issues with non whites, specifically arabs".


Do you think the republicans today are true republican conservatives? No, republican policies completely changed since Reagen. Thats why I am not a republican. They are more liberal then anything else. Yes, I do like Reagen. If your suggesting that I am a true republican because I followed the conservative policies of the 80's then yes your right. Good job on figuring that out

Living a religous life and following fundamental religous principle is completely different from going to church every sunday. I will tell you again even though I already explained it. Organized religion is to political for me. Example they appiont female pastors and gay bishops. This is clearly against the bible. Arent they supposed to worship God and not man ?


You seem to be continually worshiping Reagan, get off his dick, he's dead. His policies on race were definetly nothing to be admired and I can see that you clearly fall in line with that as well. You claim that you're not a Republican yet I would bet that you voted for Bush.



No, its the other way around. You obvously havent lived in a bad area and see the real problems. You only see what the media wants you to see. You dont know **** about arabs, islam, and immigration.


This statement is too ignorant to deserve a response, all I'll say is that you know nothing about me.



Yes that can be true but in the majority of cases people will vote for the person who represents them the best. In an arabic country do you think they are going to vote for some white christian or some radical islamic guy? According to you obvously the white guy.


Yet another piss poor analogy from a pseudo-intellectual (and you say my arguments are "bull****" :rolleyes: ). An Arabic country is not America (which is the country we were talking about, since you seem to have forgotten), not to mention that most Middle Eastern countries are dictatorships so it's quite difficult to guage how people would vote when they've never had the chance to under oppressive regimes.



Bull****, you only point out certain things of what I say and disregard everything else so you can form a bull**** point. Thats your problem and why I dont like talking to you.


Oh no you don't like talking to me, my feelings are hurt. :rolleyes: You can go to ********** and I'm sure that you will find no one that disagrees with your racial views.



this is proof that your completely out of reality. On the ****ing news they said "These undocumented immigrants protested the governor in san jose" And you actually expect them to deport them? Its a ****ing joke they are not enforcing the law.


I did a search and found nothing that said they were illegal, and they simply should have been deported, such as event would never occur in Texas.



Yea right label me a racist. This way you can continue to be a dumbass. Yes your right on everything

I'm not labeling you a racist as if it's an unfair assumption, you simply fit the definition (as well as a few others).


rac·ism Audio pronunciation of "racist" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rszm)
n.

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.



xen·o·phobe Audio pronunciation of "xenophobic" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (zn-fb, zn-)
n.

A person unduly fearful or contemptuous of that which is foreign, especially of strangers or foreign peoples.


eth·no·cen·trism Audio pronunciation of "ethnocentrism" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (thn-sntrzm)
n.

1. Belief in the superiority of one's own ethnic group.
2. Overriding concern with race.

Runnin12
07-13-2005, 12:29 AM
:rolleyes:

You claim I'm a "dumbass" for not agreeing with your racist ideals? How many times to I have to let you know that I'm not white before you get it?

I know your not white. What does that have to do with anything? Stop saying I am racist because I am not. Racial profiling has nothing to do with being racist. I get pulled over all the time especially at night because I drive a beater, im young, and I lowride. Even though im white i totally understand why the cops pull me over. I am not offended its their job to go after people who fit the profile to commit a crime. When they talk to me they know im clean and they say sry and move on, no hard feelings. And because your not white you would never agree with racial profiling solely due to that reason? Thats pretty sad considering instead of doing whatevers possible to help authorities fight crime and terrorism, you would rather deny them that right because you dont want to have your feelings hurt? It doesnt matter what race you are if you present yourself a certain way cops most likely wont bother you. Unless your somewhere you have no business being and your dressed a certain way. Law enforcement agrees with racial profiling. And if you take racial profiling away, what do you think cops are going to do? They are naturally inclined to do it. They profile people who are most likely to commit crimes and look suspicous.


I'm actually still in school, not everyone drops out as you obviously did.

Im in my 3rd year at SFSU


First it's "you're" not "your", you clown and since when did "foreigners" become synonymous with "terrorists"? With your small mined warped views I can see how you came to that false conclusion. You're a clown if you believe that terrorism has absolutely no reasoning behind it, however I won't waste my time divulging into that since you're clearly to simple-minded to understand.

I come on after a long day of work. Right now its 11:30 im tired I dont have the time to do a spell check and proof read my writing. Why would I am just just casually talking to you over the net. Terrorism is prevalent because kids are being indoctrinated at a young age to hate America and people that stand against Islam.


Yet you say that they are "the enemy".

Who would you classify as the enemy? I simply classify terrorists as the enemy and people who support them.


Yeah it's a good thing they were able to catch Timothy McVeigh, since he and his Islamic terror network were behind the OKC bombing. :rolleyes:

One insane white guy out of how many terrorist bombings? You are blind if you dont realize the majority of terrorist attacks are from the same groups of people, radical islamic men from arab countries. Do you think I support Timothy Mcviegh? The guy was a nutcase. Every group has its wackos.


A lot of people in general are two faced (as you seem to be displaying from beginning with a somewhat rational (yet unintelligent) argument to ranting like a crackhead), the fact that you believe that a specific characteristic applies more so to one race based on your limited experiences shows how severely your logic is flawed.

Yup, I am not credible at all. Even though I grew up in the bay area which is one of the most economically diverse places in the country. Where do you live? Boston? Philadelphia?

The airport was only an - EXAMPLE - .


You need to leave you little hillbilly hick town and go to an airport in the "big city" as you would call it. Then you will finally notice that at airports everyone is screened as it should be.

Thats funny because i work at oakland international airport. We are trained not to racially profile. We have to do ridiculous **** like take nail clippers from obvously innocent people and so on. Its due to retard politics brought by liberals like you who think this is effective instead of getting to the root of the problem.


I disagree with a lot of aspects of Islam however I see no need to stereotype all Muslims since I'm not ignorant, as you are.

You are the one who is generalizing groups because i never sterotyped all muslims. I just said the people that commited the major terrorist attacks were radical muslims. There is a correlation here. What am I supposed to do just ignore this fact? Its obvously not important. I go on facts only. The truth of the matter is the majority of terrorist are muslims, and come from middle eastern countries. And you say im ignorant when you dont even acknowledge this fact. The fundamental core of terrorism is from the middle east. And you seem to have no idea or expierience with talking to muslims. How many muslims have you talked to ever in your life? Please, do me a favor. Before you start talking with such assurance that you are so positive muslims are a certain way, go and talk to them. Talk about politics and religion. Lots of muslims can be really cool people and seem really down to earth but just see what happens when you start talking to them about politics. Really talk to em from an objective standpoint about Islam, christianity especially, and politics. Get in a deep conversation. Untill then please dont talk to me about Islam and arabs untill you get an understanding on their mindset.


I have no sympathy for actual terrorists

You do because you refuse to educate yourself on Islam and its history. Not only that you dont recognize who commits terrorist acts.


you on the other hand want to convict everyone that you suspect is a terrorist due to their race, there is infact a difference.

Keep making stuff up bro. I never said anything of that sort. Plus do you honestly believe I want to persecute all muslims? I dont want to spend my tax dallors prosecuting innocent people.


You main rant has been on enforcing racial profiling and I believe that should not be a primary tactic.

You disregard many of my points and only choose what you can use to push your liberal agenda. You are not objective at all. To be objective means you look at everything, not only a small portion of something like you do. That is why I dont like talking to you. What are you getting out of this mentality? I actually look at everything you say and try to understand your view. I like talking to people about politics because I learn a lot about other peoples views even if they are liberal. You changed my view on 1 or 2 things. You on the other hand are just defensive you would rather reject everything I say instead of thinking "Maybe this guy does have 1 or 2 good points?" It wont help you to have this mindset man and im telling you that just from a friendly perspective. Also racial profiling was only a small example of something I was pointing out and you keep bringing it up. It was nowhere near one of my original points. You fail to look at the true original meaning of my posts and keep bringing up small things. And for the 5th time, racial profiling should not be a primary tactic! Not to be mean but if you didnt realize that I told you that 30 thousand times you are stupid. Or you just werent reading my whole post which would prove my point that you disregard a lot of what i say.


Here your comprehension comes into question once again. Most of the hijackers entered the US legally, they simply overstayed their Visas, and due to the incompetency of government officials nothing was done. I know how to wonder as to whether you are dyslexic, how can you confuse legally and illegally and then try and adamantly through your incorrect assumtion in my face?

I made a mistake. I meant to say legally. This was one of my points in my prior posts and I did say "legally" beforehand. Sometimes when I think about politics my mind goes 1000 miles per hour and I sometimes make little mistakes like that. And the part I highlighted in bold is an example of our circle. I already made this point and your bringing it up like I never even said it. I said the exact same thing. Around we go!


You've at least implied that several times (and I don't feel like looking though your past posts) and the following quote shows, "And yes I have issues with non whites, specifically arabs".

Yes I do, specifically arabs which are terrorists. I just get pissed because arabs are hostile to American ideals and yet they get a free pass in terms of religion and everyone kisses their ass. Check this out
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162358,00.html

This is why I am against immigration from arab countries. They are going to bring that **** over here. Its already started its only a matter of time before terrorists will hit one of our train stations or some other target. It will only get worse with time and when their numbers increase. Arabs cause problems wherever they are. They are always trying to push land and rights. Look at bosnia. They immigrated over there and tried to take over the damn country! And Clinton took their side! In france they are burning synagoes. They are always fighting. I can guarentee you that its only a matter of time before we get hit again by terrorists which may indeed be American, and they are going to kill a lot of innocent americans. And just remember it happened because of people like you who would rather engage in bull**** semantics then rather discuss and acknowledge the real problems.


You seem to be continually worshiping Reagan, get off his dick, he's dead.

Show a little respect man he deserves more then that.

Runnin12
07-13-2005, 03:28 PM
His policies on race were definetly nothing to be admired and I can see that you clearly fall in line with that as well.

If you were to educate yourself on Reagen you would learn that he was against racism. One of my favorite quotes from president Reagen was "If racism is not wrong, nothing is" I even pointed this quote out earlier. Plus I defend religions which are strongly against racism. Please dont call me a racist because I am not. Racist people are ignorant I hate em. You are just labeling me a racist to discredit me. The fact of the matter is in todays world situation we have to overcome this political correct garbage and realize what are problems are and work together to fix them. Anyone who tries to put aside this politically correct mentality is chastised, thrown away to the side, and finally ignored.


You claim that you're not a Republican yet I would bet that you voted for Bush.

I voted for Ruso. I can bet you voted for Kerry. ;)


not to mention that most Middle Eastern countries are dictatorships so it's quite difficult to guage how people would vote when they've never had the chance to under oppressive regimes.

It was a light example why are you getting so technical about it?


I did a search and found nothing that said they were illegal, and they simply should have been deported, such as event would never occur in Texas.

lol what do you think the term "undocumented immigrant" means?

Matt P
07-13-2005, 04:10 PM
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