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CONTROLLED LABS
06-20-2005, 03:25 AM
Controlled Labs would like to thank everyone who has made White Blood the #2 selling Arginine Ethyl Ester product so far (only behind blitz cycle) on bodybuilding.com. :)

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/aee.html

We have more good things to come with our launch of Green Bulge in about 5 weeks.

We will keep you posted on this product and will be selecting 20 testers for it in about 3 weeks. (please dont ask to be one yet, we will post when we are ready to select) :cool:

tank

Oliewud
06-20-2005, 04:03 AM
wow i heard about this, wish i could of tested it

sawastea
06-20-2005, 06:10 AM
Congrats, Tank.

Chris95
06-20-2005, 07:01 AM
I am about to order my 2nd bottle. I'm that satisfied........wasn't sure at first b/c it took a week to kick in (but I should have known that to begin with). And you don't have to choke down 9 pills a day.

This time I will be stacking with Thunder. Was just stacking with regular creatine mono.

CHUCK DIESEL
06-20-2005, 07:02 AM
Controlled Labs would like to thank everyone who has made White Blood the #2 selling Arginine Ethyl Ester product so far (only behind blitz cycle) on bodybuilding.com. :)

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/aee.html

We have more good things to come with our launch of Green Bulge in about 5 weeks.

We will keep you posted on this product and will be selecting 20 testers for it in about 3 weeks. (please dont ask to be one yet, we will post when we are ready to select) :cool:

tank

Congrats. but......

Not trying to be an ass, there is only 3 products on this list.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/aeetop.html

________________________________________
Here is the top trib. list that blue rhino is on:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/tribtop.html

Donít be happy with being #2 on a list of 3 because its tough. You have to save the "new post to announce our position on the sales list" when you are really dominating.

JRRBadBoy4Life
06-20-2005, 02:44 PM
LOL, I see Ready 4 war has dropped in the charts recently. Time to start pimpin your product again Chuck. Maybe you should rename it Prepared 2 Fight and see if it takes off again, LMAO.

TAR68
06-20-2005, 02:49 PM
Congrats. but......

Not trying to be an ass, there is only 3 products on this list.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/aeetop.html

________________________________________
Here is the top trib. list that blue rhino is on:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/tribtop.html

Donít be happy with being #2 on a list of 3 because its tough. You have to save the "new post to announce our position on the sales list" when you are really dominating.
LOLOL

CHUCK DIESEL
06-20-2005, 03:14 PM
LOL, I see Ready 4 war has dropped in the charts recently. Time to start pimpin your product again Chuck. Maybe you should rename it Prepared 2 Fight and see if it takes off again, LMAO.

Actually it hasnt, May 15th ready4war was #38 and the 2 bottle combo was #111 of caffeine products,

May 23rd:

#31 Caffeine products (up from #38 last week!) (out of 185)
#108 2 bottle combo (up from 111)


June 14th:

#30 Caffeine products (up from #38 last week!) (out of 194)
#98 2 bottle combo (up from 111)

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/caffeinetop.html

I keep stats.

CONTROLLED LABS
06-20-2005, 04:08 PM
Congrats. but......

Not trying to be an ass, there is only 3 products on this list.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/aeetop.html

________________________________________
Here is the top trib. list that blue rhino is on:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/tribtop.html

Donít be happy with being #2 on a list of 3 because its tough. You have to save the "new post to announce our position on the sales list" when you are really dominating.

Chuck,

I dont mean to be an ass, but I really do not appreciate you coming on my thread like this and knocking my products and conduct. I do not do this to you and expect the same treatment. I think we can be friendly competitors. :cool:

In regard to the White Blood standings, it is the #2 overall AEE product. Look at the right side of the page of the link I put up here. it is the #2 "other" AEE product, but sells more than all of the "pure AEE" products as well. Which is why it is the overall #2 selling arginine ethyl ester product. :)

I think this is pretty good for a new company that has only had products out for 8 weeks.

Thanks,

Tank

TheOMEGA
06-20-2005, 04:12 PM
I am happy for you Controlled Labs :)!

best of luck

CONTROLLED LABS
06-20-2005, 04:13 PM
I am happy for you Controlled Labs :)!

best of luck
thanks omega, you are one of the vendors that I like, you never attack anyone for no reason.

I like the new nitro product, looks good.

Tank

<^>
06-20-2005, 04:17 PM
Go Controlled Labs !!! I have always supported White Blood as the best No2 product out their and always will.

Good Luck with the upcoming products and im sure they will be a great hit.

Colinballin23
06-20-2005, 04:17 PM
congrats Tank the product speaks for itself it deserves to be towards the top, good price, no outrageous claims behind it. I highly recommend it to people who like NO products.

TheOMEGA
06-20-2005, 04:18 PM
thanks omega, you are one of the vendors that I like, you never attack anyone for no reason.

I like the new nitro product, looks good.

Tank


no you have me mistaken

Matpal owner of OMEGA sports borrowed my name for his Company :)

I work for Genetec:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/gene/gene.htm

a humble company :)

DJ6808
06-20-2005, 04:20 PM
so this stuff is definitly better thatn nitrix, nox2, nox3 and all the other stuff??

CONTROLLED LABS
06-20-2005, 04:20 PM
congrats Tank the product speaks for itself it deserves to be towards the top, good price, no outrageous claims behind it. I highly recommend it to people who like NO products.


Go Controlled Labs !!! I have always supported White Blood as the best No2 product out their and always will.

Good Luck with the upcoming products and im sure they will be a great hit.


thanks guys, I really appreciate the the compliments and feedback. :)

tank

CONTROLLED LABS
06-20-2005, 04:21 PM
no you have me mistaken

Matpal owner of OMEGA sports borrowed my name for his Company :)

I work for Genetec:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/gene/gene.htm

a humble company :)

oh, interesting, I didn't know that. Looks like a good line too, just saw your stuff.

CHUCK DIESEL
06-20-2005, 05:12 PM
Chuck,

I dont mean to be an ass, but I really do not appreciate you coming on my thread like this and knocking my products and conduct. I do not do this to you and expect the same treatment. I think we can be friendly competitors. :cool:

In regard to the White Blood standings, it is the #2 overall AEE product. Look at the right side of the page of the link I put up here. it is the #2 "other" AEE product, but sells more than all of the "pure AEE" products as well. Which is why it is the overall #2 selling arginine ethyl ester product. :)

I think this is pretty good for a new company that has only had products out for 8 weeks.

Thanks,

Tank

Hey I am proud of Controlled labs also, I didnít attack you. I just donít see a reason for the post where there is only 3 products on the list. Here is a better list to monitor:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/argininetop.html

Don't say I am attacking Controlled labs, attacking controlled labs would be telling everyone why Yohimbe and caffeine in a test. product is a no, no, or letting everyone know there is no 15% Avenacosides A& B extract of Avena Sativa.

CONTROLLED LABS
06-20-2005, 05:17 PM
Hey I am proud of Controlled labs also, I didnít attack you. I just donít see a reason for the post where there is only 3 products on the list. Here is a better list to monitor:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/argininetop.html

Don't say I am attacking Controlled labs, attacking controlled labs would be telling everyone why Yohimbe and caffeine in a test. product is a no, no, or letting everyone know there is no 15% Avenacosides A& B extract of Avena Sativa.

thats mature of you, I tell you to stop the trolling on my thread, so you apologize with more insults and attacks. I will not stoop to your level no matter what you say. have a goodnight chuck.

Bammy
06-20-2005, 05:21 PM
Good job Tank!

MAX1SBACKK
07-12-2006, 05:51 PM
Chuck is the man!

IntensityX
07-12-2006, 06:15 PM
Congrats Tank.I like CL products can't wait to stack GM with GG :cool:

zhorner
07-12-2006, 06:18 PM
Hey I am proud of Controlled labs also, I didnít attack you. I just donít see a reason for the post where there is only 3 products on the list. Here is a better list to monitor:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/argininetop.html

Don't say I am attacking Controlled labs, attacking controlled labs would be telling everyone why Yohimbe and caffeine in a test. product is a no, no, or letting everyone know there is no 15% Avenacosides A& B extract of Avena Sativa.


DAMN :eek:

CL just got f*cking owned big time :cool:

CONTROLLED LABS
07-12-2006, 06:27 PM
DAMN :eek:

CL just got f*cking owned big time :cool:
just got? this happened 13 months ago :D and I hardly felt "owned" :D

MAX1SBACKK
07-12-2006, 06:38 PM
just got? this happened 13 months ago :D and I hardly felt "owned" :D
13 months ago ins't so long ago..
And wow, you have your own special, never before seen non-existant extract of Avena in Blue Up?
Can you clarify on this please.
Also, what is the point of Caffeine and Yohime in a testosterone boosting product?

Also, how does this compare to Diesel Test?

zhorner
07-12-2006, 07:56 PM
just got? this happened 13 months ago :D and I hardly felt "owned" :D



chuck's ownage was so hard that even in 13 more months you will have STILL just got owned


<img src=http://media.urbandictionary.com/image/large/owned-6903.jpg>

ncangey0513
07-12-2006, 07:56 PM
Why did you even bring this thread back up Max? The only possible reason is to make CL mad, and as far as I can see, he seems like a pretty damn good guy.

solarize
07-12-2006, 10:22 PM
I just finished a bottle of Blue Up, and ahh, It didnt really do jack. Doesn't compare at all to Diesel Test. I was interested in getting some test/free test levels tested on Blue UP to compare it with DT and 6-oxo, but, I don't see much point after running one bottle.. Maybe at a much higher dose it is more effective. Blue UP is a lot cheaper than DT / 6-oxo also.

However, I have just started GB/WB stack and I think its pretty good - its only day 3 on it, but good pumps in gym, which is a good sign.

Good work CL on GB/WB, they seem like excellent products.

zhorner
07-13-2006, 06:28 AM
thats great that you are getting good pumps...hows about you let us know of any actual gains you make off of their products...you know, an hour after you leave the gym when you go back to normal size. :cool:

HalleluYAH
07-13-2006, 07:21 AM
Chuck,

I dont mean to be an ass, but I really do not appreciate you coming on my thread like this and knocking my products and conduct. I do not do this to you and expect the same treatment. I think we can be friendly competitors. :cool:

In regard to the White Blood standings, it is the #2 overall AEE product. Look at the right side of the page of the link I put up here. it is the #2 "other" AEE product, but sells more than all of the "pure AEE" products as well. Which is why it is the overall #2 selling arginine ethyl ester product. :)

I think this is pretty good for a new company that has only had products out for 8 weeks.

Thanks,

Tank
;)

HalleluYAH
07-13-2006, 07:26 AM
I just don’t see a reason for the post where there is only 3 products on the list.
You apparently seem to feel there is a reason for someone to post their bodybuilding contest results history within their sig though.

HalleluYAH
07-13-2006, 07:29 AM
thats great that you are getting good pumps...hows about you let us know of any actual gains you make off of their products...you know, an hour after you leave the gym when you go back to normal size. :cool:
CL's creatine magnesium product has science behind it, and I am sure this product provides an excellent ergogenic enhancing effect that creatine is used for.

As for arginine products, they are mainly used for vasodilation, but what good the increased blood flow into muscles does for overall nutrient transporting, noon can say for certain. Perhaps you had not considered this?

Red Acid appears to be a solid fat burner, and as for the rest of their product line, I can't say.

As for test boosters, I am NOT a fan. So, will not comment on such.

Boom782
07-13-2006, 07:35 AM
The numbers speak for themselves a year later.

Controlled Labs #27 on top selers at BB.con

Get Diesel #55

Controlled Labs has 2 products on the top 50 seller list. Don't think I saw any Get Diesel products on their.

Way to go Controlled Labs!

CONTROLLED LABS
07-13-2006, 07:38 AM
The numbers speak for themselves a year later.

Controlled Labs #27 on top selers at BB.con

Get Diesel #55

Controlled Labs has 2 products on the top 50 seller list. Don't think I saw any Get Diesel products on their.

Way to go Controlled Labs!
thanks, but chuck is a good guy, i dont want to bash him or his comapny in any way, he has good products that sell well too.

CONTROLLED LABS
07-13-2006, 07:39 AM
I've been a Controlled Labs fan since inception but I'm losing my patience with threads like this. I mean, really, do you think a bunch of people banded together to make your product #2. If not, what are you thanking them for? They tried your product on an individual basis and you happen to be #2. This thread is simply SPAM and you know it.
this thread is 13 months old and was bumped by a banned member last night after 13 months of inactivity. we werent trying to spam, this thread was made when we were brand new.

HalleluYAH
07-13-2006, 07:42 AM
this thread is 13 months old and was bumped by a banned member last night after 13 months of inactivity. we werent trying to spam, this thread was made when we were brand new.
wow, I was not even aware this was an older thread.

give CL a break.

Estopell
07-13-2006, 07:43 AM
this thread is 13 months old and was bumped by a banned member last night after 13 months of inactivity. we werent trying to spam, this thread was made when we were brand new.
Sorry, didn't realize it. Thanks for clarifying.

CONTROLLED LABS
07-13-2006, 07:45 AM
Sorry, didn't realize it. Thanks for clarifying.
no problem, thanks for the understanding :)

HalleluYAH
07-13-2006, 07:52 AM
Sorry, didn't realize it. Thanks for clarifying.
It takes man to apologize. (reps for you)

;)

CHUCK DIESEL
07-13-2006, 09:08 AM
You apparently seem to feel there is a reason for someone to post their bodybuilding contest results history within their sig though.

yeah i do. Dont understand what you are getting at. Thats what Chuck Diesel has done. To me its better than lines and lines of GET DIESEL promotion.

CHUCK DIESEL
07-13-2006, 09:15 AM
The numbers speak for themselves a year later.

Controlled Labs #27 on top selers at BB.con

Get Diesel #55

Controlled Labs has 2 products on the top 50 seller list. Don't think I saw any Get Diesel products on their.

Way to go Controlled Labs!

Higher Power is #4 on that list, AST is #10 .......Sci-Fit is #11 Prolab is #16

the numbers show what?

CL is selling a good amount of product. A really good amount to be just over a year old. Has nothing to do a company not being in the top whatever not being equal to or greater than. Sci-Fit, and Prolab is out selling CL here, u saying those numbers tell u what?

CONTROLLED LABS
07-13-2006, 09:17 AM
Higher Power is #4 on that list, AST is #10 .......Sci-Fit is #11 Prolab is #16

the numbers show what?

CL is selling a good amount of product. A really good amount to be just over a year old. Has nothing to do a company not being in the top whatever not being equal to or greater than. Sci-Fit, and Prolab is out selling CL here, u saying those numbers tell u what?
chuck is correct, numbers arent always the best indicator.

solarize
07-13-2006, 03:57 PM
That's why I have a log in supp log section, to note any gains at the end of 30 days..

My statement that GB/WB are good products stems from previous logs people have written on this forum.
Did you have something else to add in regards to this?



thats great that you are getting good pumps...hows about you let us know of any actual gains you make off of their products...you know, an hour after you leave the gym when you go back to normal size. :cool:

MAX1SBACKK
07-13-2006, 03:59 PM
Chuck, can you tell us more about this Avena Sativa extract? I am interested why its in Blue Up and not in Diesel Test.

CHUCK DIESEL
07-13-2006, 05:18 PM
Chuck, can you tell us more about this Avena Sativa extract? I am interested why its in Blue Up and not in Diesel Test.

Well I dont know about their extract or where it comes from. I do know that I have never seen a 15% extract of avena, it would have to be at least a 40:1 extract which would be expensive.

I dont know. I know avena does work to reduces SHBG, and I do know someone recently used Blue Up and their test results showed that their SHBG increased.

So anyway that comment I made last year still holds true. I have never seen a 15% extract of avena (never seen or heard of). But hey it might exist. Might be an exclusive extract. **** has a lot of exclusive stuff so its possible for a company to have a co in china somewhere making proprietary extracts for them only.

MAX1SBACKK
07-13-2006, 05:59 PM
Well I dont know about their extract or where it comes from. I do know that I have never seen a 15% extract of avena, it would have to be at least a 40:1 extract which would be expensive.

I dont know. I know avena does work to reduces SHBG, and I do know someone recently used Blue Up and their test results showed that their SHBG increased.

So anyway that comment I made last year still holds true. I have never seen a 15% extract of avena (never seen or heard of). But hey it might exist. Might be an exclusive extract. **** has a lot of exclusive stuff so its possible for a company to have a co in china somewhere making proprietary extracts for them only.
I doubt it. Where would a company get the money(when they just put out WB and BU) to get their own extracts? I mean, this was the first product they put out.
**** yes but keep in mind Author L Rea owns it, and seems pretty smart to me. ****'s line is based on innovation.

I guess you can get anything if you have the money to synthesize it but still, for a first product, this is something.
Not to mention, AEE/OEE was probably pretty expensive at the time.

Joel
07-14-2006, 02:37 AM
Chuck let me be your Rep

I guarantee 10% boost in sales

zhorner
07-14-2006, 07:33 AM
Chuck let me be your Rep

I guarantee 10% boost in sales


you do realise the templar knights were a bunch of homos right :confused: :D

CHUCK DIESEL
07-14-2006, 08:37 AM
^^^ sorry my reps are my products.

Also not making an effort to resurface this thread (dont quit know why this thread resurfaced in the first place). What was said a year ago is the same as I would say today about any 15% avena extract.

CL does a good job at dominating that $30 or less supplement market. Unfortunately some things can be made to work great for under $30 to the consumer. A natural test booster isnít one of those things. Most test. product under $30 might work ok at best, but def, not to the effect of under $30 creatine products like GB, thunder and under $30 NO products.

MAX1SBACKK
07-14-2006, 08:42 AM
^^^ sorry my reps are my products.

Also not making an effort to resurface this thread (dont quit know why this thread resurfaced in the first place). What was said a year ago is the same as I would say today about any 15% avena extract.

CL does a good job at dominating that $30 or less supplement market. Unfortunately some things can be made to work great for under $30 to the consumer. A natural test booster isnít one of those things. Most test. product under $30 might work ok at best, but def, not to the effect of under $30 creatine products like GB, thunder and under $30 NO products.
Good thing I had to reply to this thread....
Yeah while they may dominate the $20-30 market, they're products dont look worth it. I'd rather save up for Diesel Test over Blue Up, or just not use any at all.

Frank_The_Tank
07-14-2006, 09:12 AM
At 16, I don't even understand why you would even need a test. booster.

HalleluYAH
07-14-2006, 10:35 AM
A natural test booster isn’t one of those things.
Why anyone takes test boosters is beyond me, it's not natural at all. In fact, the negative feedback loop caused by supplementing with androgenic supplements is evidence of that.

storm shadow
07-14-2006, 10:44 AM
Why anyone takes test boosters is beyond me, it's not natural at all. In fact, the negative feedback loop caused by supplementing with androgenic supplements is evidence of that.
Interesting

Joel
07-14-2006, 02:07 PM
Why anyone takes test boosters is beyond me, it's not natural at all. In fact, the negative feedback loop caused by supplementing with androgenic supplements is evidence of that.


explain

HalleluYAH
07-14-2006, 04:42 PM
explain
sex hormone production (i.e test, estro etc) is controlled by a negative feedback loop. simply put, taking a test booster which significantly increases test production will ultimately lead to your body shutting down it's natural test production, and the negative feedback loop will trigger and begin speeding up estrogen production. I may have oversimplified this, but unless you want to go through the whole pct thing, I recommend staying well clear of "test boosters" or any other androgenic supplements for that matter.

pu12en12g
07-14-2006, 04:44 PM
Controlled Labs would like to thank everyone who has made White Blood the #2 selling Arginine Ethyl Ester product so far (only behind blitz cycle) on bodybuilding.com. :)

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/aee.html

We have more good things to come with our launch of Green Bulge in about 5 weeks.

I can't wait :cool: :D :p

and it looks like White BLOOD is actually #1 now.

boyscouT
07-14-2006, 05:09 PM
sex hormone production (i.e test, estro etc) is controlled by a negative feedback loop. simply put, taking a test booster which significantly increases test production will ultimately lead to your body shutting down it's natural test production, and the negative feedback loop will trigger and begin speeding up estrogen production. I may have oversimplified this, but unless you want to go through the whole pct thing, I recommend staying well clear of "test boosters" or any other androgenic supplements for that matter.
Hmmmm.... interesting..

CHUCK DIESEL
07-14-2006, 06:01 PM
Why anyone takes test boosters is beyond me, it's not natural at all. In fact, the negative feedback loop caused by supplementing with androgenic supplements is evidence of that.

What? That makes no sense.

CHUCK DIESEL
07-14-2006, 06:09 PM
sex hormone production (i.e test, estro etc) is controlled by a negative feedback loop. simply put, taking a test booster which significantly increases test production will ultimately lead to your body shutting down it's natural test production, and the negative feedback loop will trigger and begin speeding up estrogen production. I may have oversimplified this, but unless you want to go through the whole pct thing, I recommend staying well clear of "test boosters" or any other androgenic supplements for that matter.

Ohhh I guess ur right.........

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=800994&page=2&post#51



Total Testosterone - from 176 ng/dl to 457 ng/dl (normal range 240 - 820)
Free Test - from 3.5 to 13.4 (normal range 8.7 - 25)
Lh UP from 1.2 to 4.1

Soooo

Total test increased 260% or 2.6 fold almost 3X increase
free test increased 383% 3.83 fold almost 4X increase
LH increased 342% 3.42 fold almost 3.5X

estodiol went up a little from 19 to 22 about 20%


More test results for you to explain this "theory" more.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?p=10729584

TimoteoS
07-14-2006, 06:20 PM
Now what about after they stop using it?

CHUCK DIESEL
07-14-2006, 06:30 PM
Now what about after they stop using it?

Im guessing their test levels will drop some but not back to normal. But certainly no one is going to stop using DT, and then it requires PCT. DIESEL TEST is used as PCT.

Anyway this is about CL being the top AEE product and avena sativa.

CONTROLLED LABS
07-14-2006, 06:43 PM
Im guessing their test levels will drop some but not back to normal. But certainly no one is going to stop using DT, and then it requires PCT. DIESEL TEST is used as PCT.

Anyway this is about CL being the top AEE product and avena sativa.
this thread is 13 months old, it can be closed for all I care.

Estopell
07-14-2006, 08:14 PM
Ohhh I guess ur right.........

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=800994&page=2&post#51



More test results for you to explain this "theory" more.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?p=10729584
None of this translates to gains and you know it Chuck. Show me one study that muscle growth increases with any test booster. Please don't post links to threads. There's no science behind these products.

CHUCK DIESEL
07-15-2006, 11:40 AM
None of this translates to gains and you know it Chuck. Show me one study that muscle growth increases with any test booster. Please don't post links to threads. There's no science behind these products.

Ur right, sometimes test results donít translate to gains...........but when people are saying they are experiencing noticeable increases in strength on DT the test results just show it works on 2 fronts.

Estopell, u seem to be a heavy "hater" of nat. test boosters. Maybe the nat. test booster market has done u wrong in the past, I dont know. But what I will do is send you a bottle of DT 2010 review. Strictly on strength, recovery, endurance and lean muscles gains (provided your diet is a lean muscle mass gaining diet). Then you can actually make a post about nat. test boosters esp. DT after actually using it. Just pm me ur shipping address.

CHUCK DIESEL
07-15-2006, 11:42 AM
this thread is 13 months old, it can be closed for all I care.

I hope thatís not because of the mystery avena.

Joel
07-15-2006, 01:00 PM
Estopell, u seem to be a heavy "hater" of nat. test boosters. Maybe the nat. test booster market has done u wrong in the past, I dont know. But what I will do is send you a bottle of DT 2010 review. Strictly on strength, recovery, endurance and lean muscles gains (provided your diet is a lean muscle mass gaining diet). Then you can actually make a post about nat. test boosters esp. DT after actually using it. Just pm me ur shipping address.


Im a hater of all your products Chuck
Check your PMs

Joel
07-15-2006, 01:22 PM
if they hatin it means you doin it right
why do you think bbcom members flaem you


dont mess with me

HalleluYAH
07-16-2006, 08:36 AM
Im guessing their test levels will drop some but not back to normal. But certainly no one is going to stop using DT, and then it requires PCT. DIESEL TEST is used as PCT.

Anyway this is about CL being the top AEE product and avena sativa.
Chuck, apparently you are unfamiliar with the negative feedback loop? sex hormones, test included, are regulated by a negative feedback loop. you are asking me to explain this "theory" to you? go a google search, perhaps you will learn something. :p

adoniscomplex
07-16-2006, 10:35 AM
good point halla i never thought about the negitive feedback loop when considering test boosters
elavated levels could cause the body to say hey wait we dont need so much test
create less
hmm

CHUCK DIESEL
07-16-2006, 02:03 PM
Im a hater of all your products Chuck
Check your PMs

why would you make a post to check my pm's then it says u negged me.

CHUCK DIESEL
07-16-2006, 02:05 PM
Chuck, apparently you are unfamiliar with the negative feedback loop? sex hormones, test included, are regulated by a negative feedback loop. you are asking me to explain this "theory" to you? go a google search, perhaps you will learn something. :p

yeah I know about the neg. loop. I didnt ask u to explain it to me. There are a neg. loop to some degree with any product that works above what the body sees as "normal" from diet.

CHUCK DIESEL
07-16-2006, 02:10 PM
good point halla i never thought about the negitive feedback loop when considering test boosters
elavated levels could cause the body to say hey wait we dont need so much test
create less
hmm

what happens is the body tries to level things out. For instance if free test goes up from SHBG dropping the body may make less LH. If LH goes up the body may make less DHEA. If something is binding to SHBG thats not "normal" it may increase SHBG or decrease LH and/or DHEA.

That doesnt mean the body will render all Nat. test booster useless. We have had people's free test go up 90% to 300% + on DIESEL TEST and their body reduces LH but not enough to lower test.

Same thing with products like Activate. It increases free test, and LH and/or DHEA goes down reducing total test but free test says elevated to some degree.

So what you are saying is correct to some degree. When your body sees an artificial test it says I dont need to make as much because its being provided from an external source. That has nothing to do with effective nat. test boosters.

Joel
07-16-2006, 09:27 PM
why would you make a post to check my pm's then it says u negged me.


I would never neg you Chuck it wasnt me

HalleluYAH
07-17-2006, 05:24 AM
what happens is the body tries to level things out. For instance if free test goes up from SHBG dropping the body may make less LH. If LH goes up the body may make less DHEA. If something is binding to SHBG thats not "normal" it may increase SHBG or decrease LH and/or DHEA.

That doesnt mean the body will render all Nat. test booster useless. We have had people's free test go up 90% to 300% + on DIESEL TEST and their body reduces LH but not enough to lower test.

Same thing with products like Activate. It increases free test, and LH and/or DHEA goes down reducing total test but free test says elevated to some degree.

So what you are saying is correct to some degree. When your body sees an artificial test it says I dont need to make as much because its being provided from an external source. That has nothing to do with effective nat. test boosters.
chuck, noone is doubting whether test boosters or androgens in general increase test levels. the problem is created after the test is increased and estrogen production is increased to level things out; especially after the test booster/androgen cycle is over.

CHUCK DIESEL
07-17-2006, 09:34 AM
I would never neg you Chuck it wasnt me

someone must have hacked into ur account. I would take a screen shot and post it so that u can see but I got alot of stuff to do.

CHUCK DIESEL
07-17-2006, 09:37 AM
chuck, noone is doubting whether test boosters or androgens in general increase test levels. the problem is created after the test is increased and estrogen production is increased to level things out; especially after the test booster/androgen cycle is over.

I dont understand the point you are trying to make. You are saying that without you looking at any say post 20/30/60 hormone test results after using a natural test booster that the users estrogen is increased down the line?

When free test goes up, your body doesnt produce more estrogen to level things out. That wont level things out. Some times products that increase test will cause an increase in estrogen, but thats not to "level things out" thats just what happens. Test goes up, DHT and estrogen goes up unless the product is formuated to prevent these things. I have no idea how u dev. this theory but its off.

HalleluYAH
07-17-2006, 10:36 AM
I dont understand the point you are trying to make. You are saying that without you looking at any say post 20/30/60 hormone test results after using a natural test booster that the users estrogen is increased down the line?

When free test goes up, your body doesnt produce more estrogen to level things out. That wont level things out. Some times products that increase test will cause an increase in estrogen, but thats not to "level things out" thats just what happens. Test goes up, DHT and estrogen goes up unless the product is formuated to prevent these things. I have no idea how u dev. this theory but its off.
Yes, sorry I did not explain the neg feedback loop very well. Here is a more concerted attempt:

The production of testosterone in the body is regulated by a negative feedback loop, wherein the amount of testosterone in our system regulates its own concentration. When the concentration of test rises to above desired levels, a series of steps is taken within our body to cause the concentration to fall.

I just started a new thread on the subject here:
http://www.forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=846875

CHUCK DIESEL
07-17-2006, 10:42 AM
Yes, sorry I did not explain the neg feedback loop very well. Here is a more concerted attempt:

The production of testosterone in the body is regulated by a negative feedback loop, wherein the amount of testosterone in our system regulates its own concentration. When the concentration of test rises to above desired levels, a series of steps is taken within our body to cause the concentration to fall.

I just started a new thread on the subject here:
http://www.forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=846875

I know the concept. It is basically testosterone decreases LH.

Joel
07-17-2006, 01:38 PM
Yes, sorry I did not explain the neg feedback loop very well. Here is a more concerted attempt:

The production of testosterone in the body is regulated by a negative feedback loop, wherein the amount of testosterone in our system regulates its own concentration. When the concentration of test rises to above desired levels, a series of steps is taken within our body to cause the concentration to fall.

I just started a new thread on the subject here:
http://www.forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=846875


Safe to say Omega isnt launching any Test Boosters lol ?