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Lifting_Taurus
09-18-2007, 02:59 PM
First things first.. If you don't like the Giants, GTFO.. I don't go into your threads talking about how shytty your team is..


Now, I think the offense is looking pretty damn good. Eli is more poised than ever and is making some really good decisions with the ball.

The defense is struggling horribly. They have allowed 80 points in 2 games.. It seems like it's a depth problem. There is no rotation in the D. to keep guys fresh at the end of the game...

kennny d
09-18-2007, 04:12 PM
NY'er here

Passing game and eli is looking very good

now if our defense/special teams would stop playing like a JV high school squad we wouldn't be 0-2!

Kovalchuk
09-18-2007, 04:14 PM
Plaxico Burress is KING.

Throw the ball in the air... and Plaxi comes down with it everytime. Most dominant receiver in the NFL.

Giantsfanftw_old
09-18-2007, 04:31 PM
Defense needs serious work. I don't understand why they aren't starting ross when webster has proven he is garbage. Not to mention the injuries. Something is wrong with the way they are training obviously.

poolshark472
09-18-2007, 04:40 PM
idunno what was going on the other day...sheesh. talk about completely falling apart in the second half namely the 4th quarter.

Crestor
09-18-2007, 04:45 PM
coughlin needs to stop being hitler and put bradshaw in the freaking game its not like we are contending for the lombardi this year unless our d gets revitalized


bradshaw will be better than tiki i called it after i saw his highlights on draftday

Lifting_Taurus
09-18-2007, 04:57 PM
Yea, we need some serious conditioning, and even more, depth on the D line.. Those big guys are going to get tired a lot faster than the LB's and DB's...

Ward looks great, he's just not super fast... I'm impressed by him so far...

V.H.9.8.4.
09-18-2007, 06:43 PM
agree with you guys, the offense is great, but the defense sucks. they completely fell apart in the second half of the game against the packers

thepapowski
09-18-2007, 06:53 PM
u guys need a new quarterback lolol

Lifting_Taurus
09-18-2007, 07:24 PM
u guys need a new quarterback lolol

yeah, your right.. Oh wait.. no..

Eli: 523 yards Passing, 5 tds 2 ints

Peyton: 600 yards passing, 4 tds, 1 int

Neither of them has finished a game this season...

Bottom line STFU since you don't know what you're talking about..

Procta
09-18-2007, 07:41 PM
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=4689593

thepapowski
09-18-2007, 07:45 PM
yeah, your right.. Oh wait.. no..

Eli: 523 yards Passing, 5 tds 2 ints

Peyton: 600 yards passing, 4 tds, 1 int

Neither of them has finished a game this season...

Bottom line STFU since you don't know what you're talking about..

oh wow you lit up the dallas secondary BIG ACCOMPLISHMENT THERE CHEIF

Lifting_Taurus
09-20-2007, 09:40 AM
bump for all the g-man fans..

I haven't been to impressed with the Redskins so far, and they haven't played anybody yet. I'm still showing faith that our D will tighten up this season.

Lifting_Taurus
09-23-2007, 04:54 PM
Out-damn-standing game today..

The first half we got torched on D.. but we pulled it together in the second half, Looked like a completely different team..

.fedale.
09-23-2007, 04:56 PM
Good job today Giants...

I was rootin for ya.

V.H.9.8.4.
09-23-2007, 05:17 PM
WootWoot! Giant won today. That was the first win of their 14 game winning streak

Lifting_Taurus
09-30-2007, 06:54 PM
At the half the D looks really good..

4 sacks, 2 forced fumbles and numerous stops on 3rd down... Lets hope we can keep it up in the next half..

Maybe the Giants will start to get some respect finally... :rolleyes:

Oh and Strahan broke the team Sack record..

Edit:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Half time stats

Kovalchuk
09-30-2007, 07:30 PM
P L A X I C O

Lifting_Taurus
09-30-2007, 07:34 PM
Ofcourse they're gonna challenge the Def TD.. Boooooo.......


Ruling on the field stands!!!!!!!! TOUCHDOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PieceAMind
09-30-2007, 08:01 PM
12 Sacks...

5 By umenyiora alone.....WOW

jlick
09-30-2007, 08:32 PM
Good game. awesome sunday as usual :D

Crestor
09-30-2007, 08:42 PM
today is a new day my fellow giants


we have a defense

b3rtstare
09-30-2007, 08:47 PM
Im not going to lie, Im a cowboys fan so naturally I dont like the giants.

BUT I did watch the game tonight and Osi Umenyoria is a fukin beast. He had 6 SACKS!! 12 total for the giants defence. Tonight, I applaud you. I hate the eagles more than any other team and watching Donovan Mcgay get sacked that many times made my day. I LOVE watching the eagles get manhandled. Thanks Giants for making my day.

Lifting_Taurus
09-30-2007, 08:48 PM
The D looked sick today.. I was impressed.. Still a little soft across the middle, but hey, we pulled it off..

Eli looked good, but threw another damn INT..

Crestor
09-30-2007, 08:49 PM
The D looked sick today.. I was impressed.. Still a little soft across the middle, but hey, we pulled it off..

Eli looked good, but threw another damn INT..

I think benching Webster and putting in Ross did the ticket.

And I still think Bradshaw needs to get some carries.

b3rtstare
09-30-2007, 08:54 PM
The D looked sick today.. I was impressed.. Still a little soft across the middle, but hey, we pulled it off..

Eli looked good, but threw another damn INT..

I admit, your defence did look impressive. Much better than the one that got burned here in Big D. Congrats on ur win and beating the eagles.

Lifting_Taurus
09-30-2007, 08:55 PM
I think benching Webster and putting in Ross did the ticket.

And I still think Bradshaw needs to get some carries.

I'd like to see Bradshaw get a few more carries, but I don't think it's going to happen. Jacobs should be back next week, and that may mean all 3 backs will be sharing carries, with Droughns as a special teams and short yardage back.. No sense in benching Ward altogether, he's doing great.

Lifting_Taurus
09-30-2007, 08:57 PM
I admit, your defence did look impressive. Much better than the one that got burned here in Big D. Congrats on ur win and beating the eagles.

We did put up 35 points against Big D as well.. .In case you forgot..

But I do appreciate it.. Thanx..

KingCanuck
09-30-2007, 09:12 PM
next 4 games:

jets
falcons
49ers
dolphins


6-2 can be done

ChefPhalBignuts
09-30-2007, 09:17 PM
Cowboys fan here, D looked good today. Im looking forward to game 2 with you guys

nemo90
09-30-2007, 10:01 PM
Cowboys fan here, D looked good today. Im looking forward to game 2 with you guys

cowboys are looking real good though ....there the team im scared of a lot right now as a giants fan ...this might be their year already 4-0 ...good luck

Iraq Attaq
10-01-2007, 04:50 AM
The defense, after being really ****ty this season, look phenomenal against the Egirls Sunday night. Kiwi had 3 sacks, but got them when lined up on the LOS. his move to linebacker might not be a bad one but, he's much more effective with a hand in the dirt.


GO GIANTS!!

kennny d
10-01-2007, 06:57 AM
agreed, last nights game was great!

El Gilbro
10-01-2007, 06:59 AM
G-MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN!!!!!!!

It's a beautiful day waking up as a Giants fan in the heart of Eagles country.


THIS JUST IN!!!!!! Umenyiora has just sacked McNabb again as he went outside to bring in the morning paper!!!

kennny d
10-01-2007, 07:01 AM
THIS JUST IN!!!!!! Umenyiora has just sacked McNabb again as he went outside to bring in the morning paper!!!

LOL!

Lifting_Taurus
10-01-2007, 10:11 AM
G-MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN!!!!!!!

It's a beautiful day waking up as a Giants fan in the heart of Eagles country.


THIS JUST IN!!!!!! Umenyiora has just sacked McNabb again as he went outside to bring in the morning paper!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA



LULZ

V.H.9.8.4.
10-04-2007, 01:08 PM
bump for NYG fans

-VH

Lifting_Taurus
10-05-2007, 07:12 PM
So we have the Jets this weekend..

Absolutely no reason we shouldn't come out of this weekend 3-2..

Plaxico and Umenyora both missed practice this week, but should still start..

El Gilbro
10-05-2007, 07:30 PM
Should be an easy win. I'd like to see more consistancy from our offense.

V.H.9.8.4.
10-06-2007, 08:38 AM
when's the game, too lazy to look it up :D

-VH

PieceAMind
10-06-2007, 09:54 AM
when's the game, too lazy to look it up :D

-VH

1 ET

Iraq Attaq
10-07-2007, 07:03 AM
Jacobs is back this week as well. I'll expect Ward to get the bulk of the carries, if his ankle is ok. This should be a win for us but, I'm not going to underestimate the Jets. Coles & Cotchery is going to be a tough matchup for a CB's. However, Osi should abuse D'Brickishaw Ferguson.

El Gilbro
10-07-2007, 07:07 AM
I just found out it's actually going to be televised in my area!!! Usually, the Eagles, Ravens, Steelers, and Redskins take precedence (in that order) in my area.

I'm curious and anxious to see if Jacobs turns out to be the beast we think he is, or if he'll turn out to be another Ron Dayne.

NYY
10-07-2007, 07:12 AM
u guys need a new quarterback lolol

I'm a huge ass Jets fan and they do not need a ****ing new quarterback.

Kovalchuk
10-07-2007, 07:44 AM
Plaxico and Umenyora both missed practice this week, but should still start..

I would be more concerned if Plaxico ATTENDED practice!

Kovalchuk
10-07-2007, 07:46 AM
I'm curious and anxious to see if Jacobs turns out to be the beast we think he is, or if he'll turn out to be another Ron Dayne.

I think Derrick Ward has literally forced the Giants into a 2-back situation for the rest of the year. It will be a great combination with Jacobs wearing down Defenses and Ward popping big runs once in a while.

PLAYOFF TIME G-MEN!!

Crestor
10-07-2007, 07:46 AM
jacobs better be playing today i got him in fantasy

El Gilbro
10-07-2007, 01:25 PM
First half kinda scared me. Good thing they pulled it together in the 2nd half. Game ball goes to Ross.

Crestor
10-07-2007, 01:29 PM
aaron ross rookie of the year

Iraq Attaq
10-07-2007, 01:55 PM
aaron ross rookie of the year

I'm on board!

NYY
10-07-2007, 01:58 PM
My Jets failed......:(

Lifting_Taurus
10-07-2007, 03:23 PM
I didn't get to watch the game.. I was asleep..
I heard the first half was sloppy, but we pulled it together in the end.. Osi is coming into his own this season.. that makes me happy, as long as we don't do something stupid like let him slip away to free agency or trade him when he's one of our best Defensive players..

Giantsfanftw_old
10-09-2007, 02:41 PM
Ross is tough

He looks like he will be very good

El Gilbro
10-10-2007, 04:18 PM
Falcons' O-line seems to be in shambles due to injury. Another game that should be a victory. Giants shut down what seemed to be a much better Falcons team last year.

V.H.9.8.4.
10-11-2007, 02:26 PM
b
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-VH

kennny d
10-11-2007, 04:36 PM
6-2 at the break,

callin it

El Gilbro
10-12-2007, 08:04 AM
Rookie of the Week voting at:

http://www.nfl.com/partner?partnerType=rookies

ROSS! ROSS! ROSS! ROSS!

El Gilbro
10-14-2007, 01:19 PM
'Skins just lost. Hopefully, a win on Monday night will allow the G-men to take a half-game lead on them and NE can help narrow the lead that the Cowboys have on the division.

PieceAMind
10-14-2007, 01:59 PM
I'm a huge ass Jets fan and they do not need a ****ing new quarterback.

apparently not a smart fan

Iraq Attaq
10-15-2007, 01:23 PM
Games is tonight, Gents! kick back, relax and watch this all-day country ass whippin the Giants defense puts on the Falcons. :)

Kovalchuk
10-15-2007, 03:08 PM
Eli to Plaxico alllllll night long!!!

Iraq Attaq
10-15-2007, 07:17 PM
Eli to Plaxico alllllll season long!!!

Fixed. :)

NYY
10-15-2007, 07:25 PM
apparently not a smart fan

Is it too late to take back my statement:D.

PieceAMind
10-15-2007, 08:38 PM
Great Performance....if Eli can play an entire game like his first half they would be soooo dangerous.... Should be 6-2 going into the dallas game

El Gilbro
10-15-2007, 08:55 PM
Great Performance....if Eli can play an entire game like his first half they would be soooo dangerous.... Should be 6-2 going into the dallas game
Yep, I just wish he would keep his INT's down.

Kovalchuk
10-15-2007, 08:57 PM
Yep, I just wish he would keep his INT's down.

Last 2mins of the half don't count as "real" int's. He is forcing the issue with nothing to lose. I thought he looked composed and solid tonight.

However, Brandon Jacobs seems to get a different bodypart injured every time he touches the ball, hopefully he can stay healthy and consistent. Nice easy win tonight.

ThinkBig05
10-16-2007, 12:53 AM
hey are any of you guys going to the giants/dolphins game at wembly over here in england? just wondering if any americans are making the trip over to watch..

El Gilbro
10-16-2007, 06:59 AM
Last 2mins of the half don't count as "real" int's. He is forcing the issue with nothing to lose. I thought he looked composed and solid tonight.

However, Brandon Jacobs seems to get a different bodypart injured every time he touches the ball, hopefully he can stay healthy and consistent. Nice easy win tonight.
When it's in your end of the field and it gives the opposing team a chance to score a field goal (i.e. Jets game), it's "real".

El Gilbro
10-21-2007, 05:16 PM
Decisive win today. The same thing needs to be done in London. Can't look past the Dolphins to the bye week. Hopefully, the team will be 6-2 coming off the bye and will give Dallas a run for their money on Nov. 11th.

kennny d
10-21-2007, 06:38 PM
Decisive win today. The same thing needs to be done in London. Can't look past the Dolphins to the bye week. Hopefully, the team will be 6-2 coming off the bye and will give Dallas a run for their money on Nov. 11th.

agreed

well played today

Iraq Attaq
10-22-2007, 08:52 AM
Phuckin aye right G-Men!!! Showing all the experts/haters that this team is a force. I can;t actually believe I've heard early grumbling about Coughlin for COTY!!

El Gilbro
10-28-2007, 03:27 PM
I was hoping for a blowout today, but 'oh, well'. A win is a win. They could've won by a score of 2-0 with a safety coming from the Dolphins' punter accidentally stepping out of the back of the end zone and I'd still be happy.

What more could we ask for after the team started off 0-2? Time to rest those nagging injuries and get ready for Dallas!!!

El Gilbro
11-09-2007, 01:22 PM
Giants 24 - Dallas 13


That is all.

kev_b81
11-09-2007, 01:34 PM
this going to be the giants real test..they have beat the teams that they should have beaten over the last few games...now here comes the challenge..its going to be a really tough game but hopefully we pull through.

gotta put some pressure on romo and COVER WITTEN over the middle..he killed us the first time around...hopefully we have better coverage this time around since the players have had time to adjust to the new system

also, this game is key for eli in my opinion..he has to shine here...this is a bigger game for us than it is for the cowboys and giants' intensity needs to be there.

cant wait till sunday..i was supposed to goto the stadium to tailgate but friends backed out :(

go big blue!! (even though everyones wearing red on sunday)

gixxer_751
11-09-2007, 02:21 PM
Yeah!!!!.... Giants














will get own3d by the boys this weekend!

V.H.9.8.4.
11-09-2007, 03:23 PM
Yeah!!!!.... Giants


will get own3d by the boys this weekend!
ummmm, no


Giants 24 - Dallas 13


That is all.
ummmm, yes!

-VH

Lifting_Taurus
11-16-2007, 08:32 PM
Another after by week loss... Nothing shocking though.. Happens every season.

Anyway, we'll pull it together this weekend against the Lions...

El Gilbro
11-17-2007, 03:48 AM
Another after by week loss... Nothing shocking though.. Happens every season.

Anyway, we'll pull it together this weekend against the Lions...
Should beat the Lions, Should beat the Vikings, Iffy against Chicago, Iffy against Washington, Iffy against Philly, Should beat Buffalo, Doubtful against New England.

When it comes down to it, Washington and Philly really should be victories but you can never tell in a division game....especially in the NFC East.

Lifting_Taurus
11-19-2007, 01:28 PM
Should beat the Lions, Should beat the Vikings, Iffy against Chicago, Iffy against Washington, Iffy against Philly, Should beat Buffalo, Doubtful against New England.

When it comes down to it, Washington and Philly really should be victories but you can never tell in a division game....especially in the NFC East.

I think the only team remaining to beat us is NE, and that's the last game for them, so they will probably sit the starters, which could mean a win for us. I think Belichick is to smart to risk hurting his guys for that perfect 16-0. With Peterson out, the Viks shouldn't be to tough. They don't have a passing game. I think we'll end atleast 11-5 and that's IF Washington and NE beat us.

I'll be in the Meadowlands for that game against the 'Skins sitting in the endzone. I can't wait.

Glad we beat the Lions though..

Crestor
11-19-2007, 01:29 PM
We will beat every team from here on out.

El Gilbro
11-24-2007, 06:47 PM
Another game that should be a victory. I'll be cheering them on in person tomorrow.

V.H.9.8.4.
11-24-2007, 07:25 PM
Another game that should be a victory. I'll be cheering them on in person tomorrow.
have fun at the game man. g-men gonna be 13-3 and super bowl champs! (hopefully)

-VH

kev_b81
11-24-2007, 07:26 PM
Another game that should be a victory. I'll be cheering them on in person tomorrow.

ill be there too

Crestor
11-24-2007, 07:27 PM
i hope all day adrian peterson doestn play

AHS-Wrestler
11-24-2007, 08:26 PM
i hope all day adrian peterson doestn play

I'm betting he won't play and if he does he wont be 100%.

Chris~
11-24-2007, 08:44 PM
I think we should win the Vikings game. If peterson plays he wont be 100%. Our db's are looking pretty good, and i think if eli can stay poised and make good descisions we hould win.. 8-3!

V.H.9.8.4.
11-25-2007, 01:02 PM
fuk, im so pissed. 4 int. in one game and 3 returned for a TD, i just stop watching after the third defensive TD

-VH

Crestor
11-25-2007, 01:02 PM
i feel sorry for the dudes that went to the game lol i would have stormed the field and punched eli

Greg1983
11-25-2007, 01:03 PM
I think we should win the Vikings game. If peterson plays he wont be 100%. Our db's are looking pretty good, and i think if eli can stay poised and make good descisions we hould win.. 8-3!

LOL.

Zmoke
11-25-2007, 01:08 PM
vikings won with no AP

El Gilbro
11-25-2007, 06:09 PM
Worst display of football I've ever seen live.....at any level. Three quarters of the stadium left during the 3rd quarter.

This game should've been a fairly easy victory.

VDubb
11-25-2007, 06:27 PM
We will beat every team from here on out.

Oops.....you forgot to tell Eli your master plan......(sorry, have to rub it in)


Easily one of the worst QB performances I've ever seen.........tough day to be a Giants fan......

ChefPhalBignuts
11-25-2007, 06:31 PM
Im sure you guys would agree ATM

Go Eagles. Support your NFC East

Crestor
11-25-2007, 06:36 PM
I am Phac. NFC EAST REPRESENT.

V.H.9.8.4.
01-06-2008, 01:22 PM
Giants made it to the second round bitches!!!

-VH

TonyRomo
01-06-2008, 01:39 PM
I should just go ahead and say it now, better luck next year Giants. Maybe you'll get a decent QB by then, but you will never have one as good as me.

kennny d
01-13-2008, 05:04 PM
I should just go ahead and say it now, better luck next year Giants. Maybe you'll get a decent QB by then, but you will never have one as good as me.

o rly?

V.H.9.8.4.
01-13-2008, 06:26 PM
I should just go ahead and say it now, better luck next year Giants. Maybe you'll get a decent QB by then, but you will never have one as good as me.
looks like you guys sucked today. who else says g-men in the super bowl?

-VH

WIPump
01-13-2008, 06:27 PM
strong lack of fan backing in this thread...

Kovalchuk
01-13-2008, 06:28 PM
The REAL Manning brother was exposed today!!!

G-MEN FTW!!!!!!!!!

El Gilbro
01-13-2008, 06:36 PM
And everybody said Coughlin was nuts for playing his starters against New England.

Go G-MEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tae23
01-13-2008, 06:46 PM
Giants

niospecv
01-14-2008, 06:40 AM
Congratulations on a great victory against my Cowboys. Your defense was great. Good luck against the Packers.

Iraq Attaq
01-16-2008, 12:26 PM
This game comes down to how Eli can play in that GB weather. If Eli stays as consistent as he's been against the Pats, Bucs and Cowgirls, Giants come out of Lambeau with a win.

bubba g
01-16-2008, 01:34 PM
This game comes down to how Eli can play in that GB weather. If Eli stays as consistent as he's been against the Pats, Bucs and Cowgirls, Giants come out of Lambeau with a win.


He's played well in the cold in college, it is wet, or snowy he has had trouble with.

El Gilbro
01-16-2008, 01:34 PM
This game comes down to how Eli can play in that GB weather. If Eli stays as consistent as he's been against the Pats, Bucs and Cowgirls, Giants come out of Lambeau with a win.
He just can't make any mistakes. They don't need a huge game out of him. Just no fumbles or INT's. Defense and running game will be determinative of the outcome.

kennny d
01-20-2008, 07:22 PM
another great day by eli and the giants, what a season for us... what a great playoff run... see ya athe superbowl :)

Alec Trevelyan
01-20-2008, 07:24 PM
another great day by eli and the giants, what a season for us... what a great playoff run... see ya athe superbowl :)

Man Eli is kicking some major ass now!

AJV31
01-20-2008, 07:26 PM
eli keeps his cool in interviews,manning brothers taking over the league now

bubba g
01-20-2008, 08:02 PM
Great Job Giants.... Great season...

Crest_Man
01-20-2008, 08:07 PM
coughlin needs to stop being hitler and put bradshaw in the freaking game its not like we are contending for the lombardi this year unless our d gets revitalized


bradshaw will be better than tiki i called it after i saw his highlights on draftday

bradshaw is pretty good u wree right

and guess the d did get revitalized

trainTilfailure
01-20-2008, 08:09 PM
giants 2ndary has been under the pressure all of playoffs, with the injuries and backups having to step up... they played GREAT in dallas and did welll in GB. giants won the game with defense .. and thats how u win championships

El Gilbro
01-20-2008, 08:32 PM
You can't spell "Believe" without "Eli".

V.H.9.8.4.
01-22-2008, 12:30 PM
who else says g-men in the super bowl?

-VH
woot woot! i called it :D

-VH

El Gilbro
01-23-2008, 07:39 AM
Eli's on the cover of Sports Illustrated.

Break "the curse", Eli. I believe!!!

bubba g
01-23-2008, 10:25 AM
Eli's on the cover of Sports Illustrated.

Break "the curse", Eli. I believe!!!


A bunch of Patriots have been on as well, and no doubt a Patriot player (most likely Brady) will be on the next issue. reversing any curse..

besides the tempt destiny billboard trumps any curse... lol

bubba g
01-23-2008, 10:26 AM
Good news for the Giants...

http://blog.nj.com/ledgergiants/2008/01/a_spags_reprieve.html#more

El Gilbro
04-10-2008, 05:58 AM
YOJxavlASBA

I love the clips of the fans celebrating after Burress' catch.

bubba g
04-10-2008, 06:40 PM
YOJxavlASBA

I love the clips of the fans celebrating after Burress' catch.


Great Vid..

bubba g
04-11-2008, 10:17 AM
Sammy Knight Locker room interview

http://www.giants.com/player/ivideo-je.asp?file_300=http%3A%2F%2Fplay%2Erbn%2Ecom%2Fpl ay%2Easx%3Furl%3Dnfl%2Fnfl%2Fopen%2Fgiants%2Foffse ason%2F08%5F0411%5Fknight%2Ewmv%26proto%3Dmms%3Fms wmext%3D%2Easx

Eli Manning Locker room interview

http://www.giants.com/player/ivideo-je.asp?file_300=http%3A%2F%2Fplay%2Erbn%2Ecom%2Fpl ay%2Easx%3Furl%3Dnfl%2Fnfl%2Fopen%2Fgiants%2Foffse ason%2F08%5F0411%5F10%2Ewmv%26proto%3Dmms%3Fmswmex t%3D%2Easx

Iraq Attaq
04-18-2008, 09:54 PM
F*CK ME RUNNIN!!!! I can't wait for the Draft and the Season to follow!!!

bubba g
04-21-2008, 07:45 PM
Eli's wedding photos....

This was posted at the Giants forum. Couple of funny ones.

http://www.tiricosuave.com/2008/04/20/eli-manning-wedding-photo-album/

bubba g
04-25-2008, 06:46 AM
Positional Analysis: Safeties


http://www.giants.com/news/special_features/story.asp?story_id=27058

EAST RUTHERFORD - Since 2005, the Giants have had three different starters at strong safety: Brent Alexander, Will Demps and James Butler. There has been one starter at free safety: Gibril Wilson. That era ended this offseason when Wilson signed a lucrative free agent deal with the Oakland Raiders. It won?t be easy replacing his 11 interceptions and 296 tackles over the past four seasons, and the Giants will be counting on some young players to fill the void.



Veteran safety Sammy Knight will bring leadership to the Giants young safeties.
Gibril Wilson?s speed was his greatest asset on the field, being able to move from sideline to sideline and keep pace with speedy wide receivers. James Butler, entering his fourth season after originally joining the team as an undrafted free agent out of Georgia Tech is one possible replacement. A favorite of the coaching staff, Butler had the responsibility of setting up the secondary last season, and making sure everyone was lined up properly. A hamstring injury hampered his speed late in the season, and Butler has to prove he has the speed to cover the length of the field. Butler played strong safety last year, starting 12 games opposite Wilson, but his skills suggest he should be able to move to free safety. He showed those skills against the Lions on November 18 when he out-jumped Shaun McDonald in the end zone for a game-altering interception.

Michael Johnson will give Butler a run for his money at free safety. Going into his second year Johnson showed flashes last year of being an impact player on defense. Drafted in the seventh round out of Arizona, Johnson showed a lot of raw athletic ability, starting five games. His speed and ability to attack the ball was on display, but he?s still a little raw. He started at strong and free safety last season, playing free when Wilson went down with a knee injury. It should be noted, in the game Wilson missed and both Butler and Johnson played, Johnson was listed as the free safety. A strong safety at Arizona he?ll need to prove to the coaching staff he can handle the mental part of free safety, and be consistent in his coverage. The free safety is the last line of defense, and a missed assignment there can many times turn into a touchdown. Both Johnson and Butler have excelled on special teams for the Giants, and will be a factor there regardless.

While free safety is in limbo, strong safety has been solidified with the free agent signing of Sammy Knight. A strong safety his entire career, Knight is a hitter and will thrive defending the middle of the field and helping against the run. Durable as they come, Knight hasn?t missed a game since 1998, having played in 156 straight games since. He will also make some plays on the ball. Knight intercepted four passes last year, the seventh season of his career with four or more interceptions. Built more like a linebacker, Knight brings a veteran presence to an otherwise young position group. Now 33, his prime years are behind him, but he?s a solid run stopper that isn?t going to make any mistakes.

Free safety will be one of the most closely watched positions in training camp, as James Butler and Michael Johnson battle for the starting job.

bubba g
04-25-2008, 06:48 AM
Positional Analysis: CB'S

http://www.giants.com/news/special_features/story.asp?story_id=27056

EAST RUTHERFORD - If someone had to predict today who the opening day starting cornerbacks would be for the Giants against the Redskins on September 4, they could give two very plausible names, but the next guy could give a combination that would be just as likely. Who is the third cornerback that plays in the slot? In today?s NFL, that position is nearly as important as the two starting corners on the outside. When offenses go with three wide receivers (not a rare occurrence anymore), often times they put their best receiver in the slot to avoid double coverage, making the slot corner the most important player on the field. The Giants have a number of different directions they can go to answer those questions.



CB Corey Webster rebounded late in the season and played a key role for the Giants
Sam Madison is the steady veteran. He isn?t the perennial Pro Bowler he once was (1999-2002), but Madison is still strong on the bump and run and makes plays on the ball. Madison finished the season with four interceptions this year, his most since 2000. He stayed healthy most of the season after fighting a hamstring in training camp but went down against the Patriots in Week 17 with an abdominal injury. Madison is still extremely effective when healthy, and he always provides great leadership to the young players in the locker room. However, at his age, corners tend to start getting banged up a little bit so the Giants should be prepared to spell Madison in case that happens.

Aaron Ross proved his worth as a first round pick last year, playing in all but one regular season game and starting nine of them. Early in the season, Ross played primarily in the slot on nickel packages, a position he learned in training camp and had no experience with at Texas. He started for the first time in Week 4, replacing Cory Webster, who was ineffective early in the season. Ross started all four playoff games, and if the Giants prefer, they can start Ross, and still move him to the slot when teams go with three wide receivers. Ross battled cramps in his calf early in the season and then a hamstring that knocked him out of the starting lineup in December. He has the size and speed to be a shut down corner.

Cory Webster had as roller coaster a season as any player could have. He began the year as a starter, lost the starting job and was even deactivated for two games in the middle of the season. With injuries to Sam Madison and Kevin Dockery, Webster was forced back into the lineup and started in all four playoff games. He had two interceptions in the postseason, including one on the final pass of Brett Favre?s career to set up the Giants? game winning overtime score. Don?t forget his play on the final drive of the Super Bowl either, barely knocking a ball away from Randy Moss on a deep pass that could have put the Patriots in field goal range. Still only 26 years old, there?s no reason Webster won?t have a chance to compete for a starting job next season. He?s always had the physical skills to play corner, and now it seems like his confidence is there to perform at a high level.

Kevin Dockery emerged as a key player last year, starting six games. Undersized at 5?8, his greatest strength is his speed. Only 23 years old, he showed he could play in the slot last year and on the outside when he had to. He missed two playoff games with a bad ankle injury that had him on crutches but managed to make it back for the Super Bowl, where he made four tackles.

R.W. McQuarters no doubt gave Dockery some pointers McQuarters is also a smaller cornerback (5?10) that played in the slot for much of his career. McQuarters returned punts the entire season, and despite his fumbles against the Packers in the NFC Championship game, excelled at ball security. Only starting two games, McQuarters was quiet on defense during the regular season (1 pass defended, 0 interceptions), but he had an interception in each of the Giants first three playoff games, including the game clincher against the Cowboys in the fourth quarter. Players who can be depended on to play well in the most important spots are hard to come by.

Youngsters Darren Barnett, Geoffrey Pope, and Andrew Shanle round out the position group, and will all have to impress to make an impact on the team next year. Pope saw extensive action and played well in the second half of the Divisional Playoff game against the Cowboys when Ross had to leave with an injured shoulder.

Much like pass rushers, the old adage goes, ?you can never have enough good cornerbacks.? The Giants have a good mix of veterans and young players at the position, and five that started at least one game last year. The true depth at the position will depend on how much longer Sam Madison can keep playing at a high level, and whether Cory Webster can consistently play like he did in the playoffs. If both those things happen, the Giants will be in good shape next season.

bubba g
04-25-2008, 06:49 AM
Positional Analysis: Linebackers

http://www.giants.com/news/special_features/story.asp?story_id=27052

EAST RUTHERFORD - There probably hasn?t been a position more in flux for the Giants in the last five years than linebacker. Since 2003, the Giants have started 12 different players at the position, and only three linebackers remain from the 2006 roster (Chase Blackburn, Antonio Pierce, and Gerris Wilkinson). From Sam Huff to Harry Carson to Lawrence Taylor to Carl Banks to Jesse Armstead, the linebacker position has been one of historical significance to the franchise.



LB Antonio Pierce is one of the leaders on the Giants team.
After a brief void the torch has been passed to Antonio Pierce, who has started at middle linebacker since 2005. He made the Pro Bowl in 2006, the first by a Giants linebacker since Jesse Armstead went in 2001. Not the biggest or fastest linebacker in the league, Pierce excels at the mental aspects of the position. His hand signals and repositioning of the team before the snap are not simple histrionics. He regularly dissects the offense?s play call pre-snap by analyzing formation and verbal signals, adjusting the defense accordingly. His ability to predict and then make a play paid dividends in the NFC Championship game against the Packers when he read a screen pass to Ryan Grant, split two offensive linemen and turned a potential game-changing play into a loss.

Undrafted out of Arizona, that slight has given Pierce a chip on his shoulder that he still carries to give him motivation to prove his doubters wrong. That state of mind transferred to the entire roster this season, which played with an ?us against the world? and ?no one thinks we can win? mentality. If one player had to be picked as the overall leader of the defense, and as a unifying voice in the locker room it would probably have to be Antonio Pierce. Signing him over from Washington in 2005 has turned into a veritable coup for the Giants defense.

Backing up Pierce since 2005 is Chase Blackburn. Like Pierce, he isn?t the most physically gifted player, one of the reasons he went undrafted out of Akron. However, much like his fellow middle linebacker, Blackburn does the fundamentals well and has a greater understanding of his position and the defense as a whole. Rarely is he in the wrong spot at the wrong time. Blackburn hopes to not only back-up Pierce next year, but compete for the starting weak side linebacker position as well. He?s focused on improving his quickness and sideline to sideline speed in the offseason to prepare for that new challenge.

The weak side is where Big Blue will have their greatest competition in training camp. The position was manned very ably last year by Kawika Mitchell, who left for Buffalo as a free agent, leaving a void at the position. Entering his third season, the Giants hope that Gerris Wilkinson will show enough improvement to win the job in training camp. At 6?3 and 231 lbs. he has all the size and speed to play the position. When Mitchell went down for much of the Patriots game in week 17 Wilkinson played well, totaling 7 tackles and a pass defended covering Randy Moss. In training camp he will be given every opportunity to fight and win that position battle.

However, the competition will be fierce with the acquisition of veteran linebacker Danny Clark. Drafted by Tom Coughlin in Jacksonville, Clark has started at all three linebacker positions during his seven-year career with the Jaguars, Raiders, Saints and Texans. Coming to the Giants, he can earn a starting spot if he outplays Wilkinson and company in training camp. He has the trust of the head coach, something that is certainly a good sign for any new player. Even if Clark does not earn the weak side starting spot he will provide important depth at all three linebacker positions and on special teams. This will be very important on the strong side with the departure of Reggie Torbor.

Torbor was forced into a starting role this year when Mathias Kiwanuka broke his leg in the 10th game of the season at Detroit. Before that unfortunate injury, Kiwanuka was finally adjusting well to the strong side. After a rough first couple games against some of the sport?s best tight ends, Kiwanuka stopped making the fundamental errors that plagued him early in the year. His coverage skills came along nicely as well. Kiwanuka?a speed and strength fits the role of strong side linebacker extremely well. He moved into a pass-rushing role on the defensive line on passing downs as well, helping him acquire those 4.5 sacks. With a season playing the position under his belt, there are certainly expectations that he can take his play to another level. Kiwanuka?s athleticism and versatility give the Giants a luxury at two different position groups.

Zak Deossie, a fourth round selection in the 2007 draft, didn?t have much of an opportunity to play on defense last season, but he did contribute on special teams. When Ryan Kuehl went down with a calf injury in training camp he stepped in as long snapper on punts and was consistent the entire season, much like his father (Steve) used to be for the Giants in the ?80s and ?90s. A middle linebacker at Brown, it will take a little longer for DeOssie to adjust to the NFL considering the level of athlete found in the Ivy League. The Giants believe he has the smarts and size (6?4, 249 lbs.) to be a contributor at strong side linebacker in the future.

There are a number of young players that will compete for the remaining linebacker spots. Tank Daniels will be going into his third year in the league and hopes to break through for regular playing time. Keith O?Neil and Rory Johnson will also have a chance to earn a roster spot.

Everyone will have their eye on linebacker at training camp next year, as the Giants solidify their starting lineup around their centerpiece Antonio Pierce. For a Super Bowl team competition can be scarce in training camp, but this is one position where there will be plenty of it. Other than Antonio Pierce and Danny Clark, the linebacker position is extremely young, and the Giants hope they will provide a future that will live up to the position?s historic legacy.

bubba g
04-25-2008, 06:50 AM
Positional Analysis: D-LINE

http://www.giants.com/news/special_features/story.asp?story_id=27048

EAST RUTHERFORD - If there?s one position group that was most responsible for the Giants Super Bowl run, it was the defensive line. The way the defense is designed, the success of the defense is largely dependent on the play of the line and its ability to not only rush the passer but stop the run as well. The line dominated games during the year, not the least of which was their record setting 12-sack effort against the Eagles in Week 4. Even when the secondary got banged up late in the year, a relentless pass rush hid those issues. The defensive line?s relentless pass rush helped fluster three of the best quarterbacks in the game during the postseason: Tony Romo, Brett Favre and Tom Brady.



DT Justin Tuck played both DT and DE to help bolster the Giants pass rush
As I break down these numbers, keep in mind they are going to be skewed, since the defense was lit up for 80 points and 846 yards in their first two games of the year. They settled down in the coming weeks. The defense finished 7th in the league, allowing 305 yards a game. They gave up 21.9 points per game, ranking 16th. The line played a huge role in the pass defense, registering a league-leading 53 sacks during the regular season. The line was equally stout against the run, allowing only 3.8 yards per carry, good for 8th in the league.

The line?s depth really allowed the Giants to use different packages to best utilize the skills of the individual players. Michael Strahan and Osi Umenyiora were as much every down players as a lineman can be, rushing the passer and playing the run. Strahan?s play simply isn?t diminishing very much as he gets older, finishing with nine sacks despite taking time to get into shape after missing training camp. He still demands a double-team and plays the run as well as any ?pass-rushing? end in all of football.

Osi Umenyiora led the team with 13 sacks and was the team?s lone Pro Bowl representative. Everyone remembers his six-sack game against the Eagles when he set a new Giants single-game record. He?s a constant speed rushing threat that teams must account for. With teams unable to double both he and Strahan, they both get manned up at times, giving them the opportunity to disrupt an opponent?s passing game.

Justin Tuck?s flexibility really made a difference this year for the Giants, allowing him to not only spell Strahan and Umenyiora at end, but also move to tackle on passing downs. He thrived in that role, where he got most of his ten sacks. Despite not starting, Tuck led all defensive linemen in tackles with 46 solos and 17 assists. After missing much of his first two years with injuries, Tuck stayed healthy and showed why the Giants drafted him in the 3rd round out of Notre Dame in 2005. Like Strahan and Umenyiora, Tuck has the strength and speed to play that two-way role, stopping the run and rushing the passer.

Before his broken leg, Mathias Kiwanuka joined Strahan, Unmenyiora and Tuck in the pass rushing package, going back to his college days as a hand-on-ground rusher. It gave the Giants four legit high end pass rushers that gave opposing offenses all kinds of problems on passing downs. He finished with 4.5 sacks in only 10 games.

Fred Robbins is easily overlooked with so many stars on the defensive line, but he shouldn?t be. Once Kiwanuka went down, he contributed in both the base and pass rushing packages on the defensive line. He finished with 5.5 sacks and did a good job of stuffing the run and getting to the passer at the tackle position.

Barry Cofield was the big man in the middle and did a good job of stuffing the run on first and second downs. He only finished with one sack but was often replaced on passing downs by either Tuck or Kiwanuka. A young player going into his third year, he knows his role and plays it well.

Though he didn?t record a sack in the regular season, Dave Tollefson saw his opportunities to rush the passer increase after Kiwanuka suffered his injury. The Giants trusted the second-year player out of Northwest Missouri State enough to let him play a series for Strahan in the 4th quarter in their playoff game against Tampa Bay. He nearly recorded a sack of Jeff Garcia.

Rookie Jay Alford will be remembered for his thundering sack on Tom Brady in the Super Bowl and he saw increasing action in the Giants defensive line rotation as the season went along. His biggest role was on special teams, stepping in for the injured Ryan Kuehl to short snap on placekicks.

Manny Wright was brought back for a year to provide another big body at tackle. Emphasis on big ? Wright checking in at 6?5, 345 lbs.

Ernie Accorsi?s old motto that you can never have enough pass rushers certainly paid dividends for the Giants this season and has prepared them for whatever may happen in the future.

bubba g
04-25-2008, 06:54 AM
Positional Analysis: O-Line

http://www.giants.com/news/special_features/story.asp?story_id=27046

EAST RUTHERFORD - Perhaps the Giants? most consistent position group in 2007 was the offensive line. Besides a late season injury to Shaun O?Hara, the starting unit of David Diehl, Rich Seubert, O?Hara, Chris Snee and Kareem McKenzie was intact all season and played at a high level. When O?Hara did go out late in the season, Grey Ruegamer filled in admirably, and the Giants line play didn?t suffer much at all.



Center Shaun O' Hara anchors the Giants Offensive Line.
Besides O?Hara (a 3rd alternate in 2005), and Snee (a 4th alternate this season), the linemen have not gotten much Pro Bowl consideration, but as a unit they are one of the best in the league. The offensive line serves as the foundation for everything an offense does, so more often than not a team?s success measures that of the offensive line. By those standards, the Giants line had the best season they could.

Statistically they racked up some impressive numbers as well. The Giants ranked 4th in the league in rushing yards per game with 134.2 and were tied for 3rd in yards per carry at 4.6. Their offense did rank 12th in the league by allowing 28 sacks over the course of the regular season, and some of that number is certainly attributable to the line play.

There was some question as to David Diehl?s ability to play left tackle heading into last year?s training camp, but it didn?t take long for him to solidify the starting spot. He turned in a consistent season, with the exception of a rough patch in the middle of the year when he had a couple problems with some speed rushers. But in the postseason, he helped control pass rushers Demarcus Ware, Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila, Richard Seymour, and Gaines Adams. On the other side, Kareem McKenzie continued to play at the same high level since being signed over from the Jets in 2005.

Richie Seubert stepped out of his old jack of all trades role and became the starting left guard. His play over the course of the season earned him a contract extension and proved to the Giants there are no lingering effects from the leg fracture that forced him to miss much of 2003 and all of 2004.

Fellow guard Chris Snee is starting to be considered one of the best guards in the game. Drafted out of Boston College in the 2nd round of the 2004 draft, he?s known for his bruising blocking style, leading the way in the Giants running game.

Center Shaun O?Hara continued to go about his business since he came to the Giants in 2004. He provided leadership for the line, calling out blocking schemes and helping Eli Manning recognize the pass rush.

Though they weren?t seen much over the course of the season, the Giants did carry backup offensive linemen on their active roster. Ruegamer gives depth at guard and center, the veteran 10th year pro providing a steady back-up. Guy Whimper will be entering his third season at tackle. Drafted in the 4th round in 2006, Whimper competed for the left tackle job with David Diehl in training camp and the Giants would like to see him take a big step forward in his development. He?s the primary backup tackle.

Kevin Boothe, a third-year guard, saw some action late in the year, providing even more depth on the line. Na?Shan Goddard, Adam Koets and Brandon Torrey round out the offensive line, and all three will have a chance to make an impact at training camp.

All of the starters, except for Chris Snee, are locked up long term. After a Super Bowl win, more Pro Bowl votes for this group are bound to be cast next season. The depth of this unit might still be a bit thin, but there shouldn?t be any questions about the starters.

bubba g
04-25-2008, 06:55 AM
Positional Analysis: TE's

http://www.giants.com/news/special_features/story.asp?story_id=27037

EAST RUTHERFORD - The Giants tight end questions begin and end with Jeremy Shockey. Before breaking his leg in week 14, Shockey was on pace for his fourth straight 60-catch season, and he had already surpassed 600 yards. He finished 2007 ranked 8th among tight ends with 57 catches but would have probably finished 5th or 6th if his season wasn?t cut short.



TE Jeremy Shockey looks to rebound in '08 after a season-ending injury in 2007
Though his receiving numbers aren?t as impressive as the Tony Gonzaleses, Kellen Winslow Jrs. and Antonio Gates of the world, he is a far better blocker and does more of it than those players. Shockey has become one of the better blocking tight ends in all of football. In the Giants last five games, including the postseason, their rushing average dropped to 3.6 yards per carry, partly because of Shockey?s absence. In those same games, Brandon Jacobs, who loves to run behind Shockey off-tackle, gained only 264 yards on 77 carries. (3.4 ypc) He is as complete a tight end as there is in the game.

Some people in the media threw out the theory that the Giants are better off without Jeremy Shockey since they won a Super Bowl without him, and Eli Manning played his best football with him not on the field. It?s purely circumstantial evidence, and it doesn?t carry a whole lot of weight. And Eli Manning, for one, said that such a thought is ludicrous. Teams must commit a safety to Shockey in coverage, and many of them can?t even cover him one on one. His mere presence opens things up for other Giants receivers down the field. He?s an athletic freak. It?s no surprise the Giants passing game became more conservative once Shockey went out. What long term effect his loss would have on the running game is unknown, but judging from the numbers it wouldn?t be positive.

Shockey is backed up by a slew of young players the Giants hope can provide a good future. Kevin Boss, their 5th round pick out of Western Oregon, did a solid job filling in when Shockey went out. He runs well, has good hands and shows promise as a receiver. At 6?6, he has a frame that should continue to fill out, even after putting on twenty pounds of muscle last season. Boss improved as a blocker during the course of the year, and the Giants would like to see him get even better in that department in 2008. With his big catch against the Patriots in the Super Bowl, Boss will always have a place in Giants history. If he continues to improve, he?ll have a good chance at locking down the backup tight end spot in training camp.

Michael Matthews, an undrafted free agent out of Georgia Tech, played a quiet but important role last year. He was effective as a blocking tight end on the line of scrimmage, and in the H-Back role. As a young player, he showed important versatility being able to learn two different positions as a rookie. Matthews did have some drops during the year, and the Giants would like to see him improve the receiving part of his game. He?ll have to fight in training camp next year to hold onto his spot in the depth chart.

Darcy Johnson was playing well in training camp last season until he tore his ACL. His rehab is on schedule, and the second year player will have a chance to come back and fight for a backup tight end job this year.

Two former Fighting Irish round out the Giants tight end depth. Marcus Freeman, in his second year out of Notre Dame, and Jerome Collins, in his third season, will have to impress in the offseason to earn full time roster spots.

Jeremy Shockey is in his prime and there?s no reason to think he won?t continue to play at a high level. Meanwhile, the Giants are developing some young depth behind him to secure a bright future.

V.H.9.8.4.
04-26-2008, 05:09 PM
nice analysis'!

we got a safety, a good choice i say

bubba g
04-26-2008, 08:13 PM
Kenny Phillips is a great choice. Many of the experts say he is very similar to Sean Taylor on the field.

He is a good tackler, loves to hit, and has great top speed, so he can catch players from behind. He is also very effective at blitzing, so he should fit in pretty good in Spags system.

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MaskedManiac
04-27-2008, 10:44 AM
Thank God They Kept Shockey.

The
Maniac.

bubba g
04-27-2008, 04:01 PM
Thank God They Kept Shockey.

The
Maniac.


I trust Jerry Reese, if he did trade Shockey it would have been worth it, meaning he wouldn't trade him unless another team gave up alot to get him.

Iraq Attaq
04-27-2008, 09:06 PM
I give this draft an A-.

Great picks and addressed every need with the exception of OL. Great 1st 3 picks (Manningham is a steal in the 3rd) and Andre Woodson in the 6th is unreal. He'll be a huge difference maker should Eli go down (knock on wood). Had we gone OL in the draft I would have given this draft a solid A.


Great job, Jerry! Keep those Lombardi Trophies coming!

jlick
04-27-2008, 09:09 PM
Thank God They Kept Shockey.

The
Maniac.

expect him to be traded late summer, or at the latest early 08 season. Shockey will be a plauge in the giants locker room as he is currently in a lose-lose situation.

bubba g
04-27-2008, 10:05 PM
I give this draft an A-.

Great picks and addressed every need with the exception of OL. Great 1st 3 picks (Manningham is a steal in the 3rd) and Andre Woodson in the 6th is unreal. He'll be a huge difference maker should Eli go down (knock on wood). Had we gone OL in the draft I would have given this draft a solid A.


Great job, Jerry! Keep those Lombardi Trophies coming!

The Giants signed David Carr this offseason incase Eli gets injured. Carr has not done to well so far in the NFL, but he has played behind some crappy O lines, if he has time to pass the ball, he is very good. He wasn't the #1 draft pick for no reason. I am thinking that the Gaits will get rid of Anthony Wright, and J load before the season begins.

As far as O line, the Giants signed several undrafted players, I believe a couple were O line. So far I know of OL Glenn "Digger" Bujnoch

bubba g
04-27-2008, 10:17 PM
expect him to be traded late summer, or at the latest early 08 season. Shockey will be a plauge in the giants locker room as he is currently in a lose-lose situation.


I think he would help himself out greatly by saying he is happy with the Giants, and wants to stay with the team etc.

jlick
04-27-2008, 10:31 PM
I think he would help himself out greatly by saying he is happy with the Giants, and wants to stay with the team etc.

I think he would help the Giants out greatly by all of a sudden changing his attitude. I also think the bengals would be a lot better off if Chad Johnson all of a sudden changed his feeling towards the bengals. Let's get real here though.

Like I said, He's in a lose-lose situation here and I'm pretty sure he knows it. Allow me to explain; (completely hypothetical here) next season Giants are suffering as a result of Eli's poor performance. Everyone will place the blame on Shockey because the giants did so good last year with out him. Result- Shockey is hated, or even benched. Another situation: Shockey starts next year and does horrible (no eli fault). The Giants have Boss and he did great last year. Result- Shockey is benched.

I just don't think Shockey believes he is the asset to the Giants he once was, hence he wants to be traded. I'm sure everyone knows what kind of noise he can cause in the locker room. Instread of getting a 2nd rounder from the saints...the Giants held off and are more then likely not going to get more then a 4th rounder in 09 for him.

bubba g
04-28-2008, 01:14 AM
I think he would help the Giants out greatly by all of a sudden changing his attitude. I also think the bengals would be a lot better off if Chad Johnson all of a sudden changed his feeling towards the bengals. Let's get real here though.

Like I said, He's in a lose-lose situation here and I'm pretty sure he knows it. Allow me to explain; (completely hypothetical here) next season Giants are suffering as a result of Eli's poor performance. Everyone will place the blame on Shockey because the giants did so good last year with out him. Result- Shockey is hated, or even benched. Another situation: Shockey starts next year and does horrible (no eli fault). The Giants have Boss and he did great last year. Result- Shockey is benched.

I just don't think Shockey believes he is the asset to the Giants he once was, hence he wants to be traded. I'm sure everyone knows what kind of noise he can cause in the locker room. Instread of getting a 2nd rounder from the saints...the Giants held off and are more then likely not going to get more then a 4th rounder in 09 for him.

Shockey was a model player this year, and a team leader. He was very passionate about teaching Boss, and the other backup TEs. He was used in more of a blocking role this year, which I am sure is not what he wanted to do, but he did it without complaining, and ended up becoming one of the best run blocking TEs in the NFL.

Listen to what Antonio Pierce says about Shockey.

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bubba g
04-28-2008, 02:06 AM
I give this draft an A-.

Great picks and addressed every need with the exception of OL. Great 1st 3 picks (Manningham is a steal in the 3rd) and Andre Woodson in the 6th is unreal. He'll be a huge difference maker should Eli go down (knock on wood). Had we gone OL in the draft I would have given this draft a solid A.


Great job, Jerry! Keep those Lombardi Trophies coming!

Good article on Woodson. I would be willing to bet Reese had another player in mind, but he picked him up because he was just too good to pass up on.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story;jsessionid=47A3590251999391B5A4A5C9A623E41F? id=09000d5d808086fb&template=with-video&confirm=true

El Gilbro
04-28-2008, 06:49 AM
They selected the player I hoped that would with their #1.

I was kinda hoping they'd take Dan Connor in the 2nd or that Shawn Crable would fall to them in the 3rd, but I can't argue with Jerry Reese after last year's draft.

As a Michigan fan, I love when one of their stars gets picked by the Giants. I just hope Manningham has a better showing than Wheatley or Bunch did for the Giants.

bubba g
04-28-2008, 08:02 AM
They selected the player I hoped that would with their #1.

I was kinda hoping they'd take Dan Connor in the 2nd or that Shawn Crable would fall to them in the 3rd, but I can't argue with Jerry Reese after last year's draft.

As a Michigan fan, I love when one of their stars gets picked by the Giants. I just hope Manningham has a better showing than Wheatley or Bunch did for the Giants.

Same Here, I couldn't believe Phillips didn't get selected before the 31st pick.

I trust Reese, but a couple picks have me a little concerned. Manningham, and Terell Thomas.. Manningham because he scored a 6 on the Wonderlic, and has failed drug tests twice (Weed) and Thomas because he has had alot of injuries. I have read scouting reports that say "Could Be As Good As: Antonio Cromartie, San Diego Chargers" http://www.newerascouting.com/profiler/viewprofile.php?id=58

bubba g
04-28-2008, 04:34 PM
Great value pickup here.. DJ has great break away speed. He has a couple of issues, that I think coaching will take care of.. He makes circus catches, but tends to drop some easily catchable balls, which is usualy a concentration issue, that can be fixed.

http://blog.al.com/rapsheet/2008/04/dj_hall_signs_with_the_new_yor.html
DJ Hall signs with the New York Giants
Posted by Ian R. Rapoport -- Birmingham News April 28, 2008 3:24 PM
Categories: Football

The saga of one undrafted Alabama player is over. Receiver DJ Hall signed a contract with the New York Giants, his agent Ed Rowan just told me. Hall got an offer this morning and signed it a few minutes ago.
It was a tough couple days for Hall, but Rowan said he's moving forward: "He's putting all that disappointment behind him." He joins Crimson Tide defensive end Wallace Gilberry, who inked with the Giants last night.

Rowan said he was told by Giants assistant GM Kevin Abrams, "I fully expect DJ to make the roster."

Including draft pick Mario Manningham, the G-Men have nine receivers on the roster, which I don't think is a lot. "The Giants were the most interested in him," Rowan said.

FinalStand
04-28-2008, 04:49 PM
I love the Manningham pick. You got two Michigan guys in Toomer who has always been a standup guy and Plax went to Mich State and will tell the kid what's on the line. Ahmad Bradshaw all over.

Iraq Attaq
04-28-2008, 06:00 PM
The Manningham pick is very smart. He's a first round talent and one of the best receivers to ever play at Michigan (yes Maize and Blue Fan). You gotta remember, David Tyree was busted for pot in his rookie year and then he goes and makes the Pro Bowl twice and arguably the biggest catch in Giants or Super Bowl history. Ahmad Bradshaw dropped to us in the 6th because of 'character issues'. Once a knucklehead, not always a knucklehead. Manningham is a great gamble. If he works out, you've got a superb playmaker for chump change. If he doesnt work out, you only wasted a 3rd round pick on him. I have a feeling that our first three rounders are going to be NFL studs. Besides, how great does 'Touchdown! Manning to Manningham!' sound? lol

FinalStand
04-28-2008, 06:01 PM
Man if the Giants had drafted Sweed, I would love that jersey.

bubba g
04-28-2008, 10:12 PM
The Manningham pick is very smart. He's a first round talent and one of the best receivers to ever play at Michigan (yes Maize and Blue Fan). You gotta remember, David Tyree was busted for pot in his rookie year and then he goes and makes the Pro Bowl twice and arguably the biggest catch in Giants or Super Bowl history. Ahmad Bradshaw dropped to us in the 6th because of 'character issues'. Once a knucklehead, not always a knucklehead. Manningham is a great gamble. If he works out, you've got a superb playmaker for chump change. If he doesnt work out, you only wasted a 3rd round pick on him. I have a feeling that our first three rounders are going to be NFL studs. Besides, how great does 'Touchdown! Manning to Manningham!' sound? lol


From what I have read Manningham is very inmature, pouts, and has been a total distraction on the field, and in the locker room at times. He didn't support his backup QB etc. The pot is the least of my concerns.

Have you ever heard him interviewed? He is clearly not very intellegent, he makes no sense, and repeats himself constantly. Lets put it this way, they had a audio telephone interview of him on the Giants website yesterday, and they took it down, because it was so bad. He sounded irritated by the questions about his past. He better get used to it in NY, cause they are going to ask him a million times about his past troubles.

I think with the right coaching, and influences from the giants vets he has the potential to be very good, but it could also go the other way as well..

Iraq Attaq
04-29-2008, 06:24 PM
From what I have read Manningham is very inmature, pouts, and has been a total distraction on the field, and in the locker room at times. He didn't support his backup QB etc. The pot is the least of my concerns.

Have you ever heard him interviewed? He is clearly not very intellegent, he makes no sense, and repeats himself constantly. Lets put it this way, they had a audio telephone interview of him on the Giants website yesterday, and they took it down, because it was so bad. He sounded irritated by the questions about his past. He better get used to it in NY, cause they are going to ask him a million times about his past troubles.

I think with the right coaching, and influences from the giants vets he has the potential to be very good, but it could also go the other way as well..

He could be dumb as a box of frogs for all I care. He's a damn good football player. Vince Young scored a 6 and he's a future star. Ryan Fitzpatrick scored a 50 and he's a life long back up QB.

bubba g
04-30-2008, 03:32 AM
Here are the undrafted free agents the Giants have signed.. There may be more, but this is all I know of for now.

Cincinnati OL Glenn "Digger" Bujnoch
Miami OL Andrew Bain, Miami
LSU OL Carnell Stewart, LSU
Northwestern OL Dylan Thiry
Akron DT Nate Robinson
Washburn DT Eric Butler
Louisiana Tech DT Josh Muse
Alabama WR D.J. Hall
Alabama DE Wallace Gilberry
Tennessee DE Antonio Reynolds
Michigan State S Nehemiah Warrick
Army P/K Owen Tolson

El Gilbro
04-30-2008, 09:56 AM
So, last year it was RB. This year, it appears that the logjam is at WR.

Who do you guys think will make the final 53?

Plax, Toomer, and Steve Smith are a given in my eyes.

That leaves us with Moss, Manningham, Tyree, Hixon, D.J. Hall, and Jennings.

Even assuming that they carry 6 WRs, it's a tough call. Not necessarily a bad problem to have, though.

bubba g
04-30-2008, 02:59 PM
So, last year it was RB. This year, it appears that the logjam is at WR.

Who do you guys think will make the final 53?

Plax, Toomer, and Steve Smith are a given in my eyes.

That leaves us with Moss, Manningham, Tyree, Hixon, D.J. Hall, and Jennings.

Even assuming that they carry 6 WRs, it's a tough call. Not necessarily a bad problem to have, though.

It is a tough decision.

Here is my rundown

Plaxico <--starter
Toomer <-- starter
Smith <-- starter
Tyree <-- special teams ace (gunner)
Hixon <-- special teams ace in the return, and as a gunner
Moss <-- great in camp, and practice, but hasn't carried over to game day.
Jennings <-- another camp, and practice warrior
Manningham <-- will get a chance because he was drafted fairly early, and has shown the ability to make big plays in college.
DJ Hall <-- I think he could end up being better then Manningham

bubba g
04-30-2008, 03:31 PM
DJ Hall

I think he was a great pickup. Undrafted free agent.

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Iraq Attaq
04-30-2008, 08:29 PM
DJ Hall and Nehemiah Warrick are great signings.

bubba g
05-01-2008, 04:04 AM
DJ Hall and Nehemiah Warrick are great signings.

Crushing hit from Warrick.


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El Gilbro
05-01-2008, 11:51 AM
Read a rumor that Lorenzen or Wright will be cut in the coming days.

I don't think it really matters which one gets cut first. I don't see either one making the final roster with Woodson and Carr on the squad.

Iraq Attaq
05-02-2008, 08:36 AM
Read a rumor that Lorenzen or Wright will be cut in the coming days.

I don't think it really matters which one gets cut first. I don't see either one making the final roster with Woodson and Carr on the squad.

I'm gonna say it's gonna be Wright. Lorenzen is a TC pick and Wright was bought in out of sheer necessity. With Woodson here, Wright serves no purpose.

bubba g
05-02-2008, 10:32 AM
I'm gonna say it's gonna be Wright. Lorenzen is a TC pick and Wright was bought in out of sheer necessity. With Woodson here, Wright serves no purpose.


It's a shame Laurenzen can't get his weight down, cas he can run pretty damn good even at nearly 300 lbs...

check him out in the preseason game running ahead to block for Droughns

1:42

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=29501&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2007&week=PRE4

Iraq Attaq
05-02-2008, 02:42 PM
It's a shame Laurenzen can't get his weight down, cas he can run pretty damn good even at nearly 300 lbs...

check him out in the preseason game running ahead to block for Droughns

1:42

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=29501&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2007&week=PRE4

I like Lorenzen. Put him in late in the game and run some I formations with him and Jacobs/Hedgecock in the I formation. People would be hurtin' try to tackle that. lol

bubba g
05-02-2008, 03:07 PM
I like Lorenzen. Put him in late in the game and run some I formations with him and Jacobs/Hedgecock in the I formation. People would be hurtin' try to tackle that. lol


I have said the same thing.. 265 lb RB 263 lb FB and 290lb QB all are fast for their size.

That's 818+ running behind a very good O line.. I don't think there is a team in the NFL that could stop that. THey would definatly have to stack the box with nine, or get destroyed by 5 yard runs play after play.. Once they stack the box burn them with a play action.

Iraq Attaq
05-02-2008, 03:21 PM
I have said the same thing.. 265 lb RB 263 lb FB and 290lb QB all are fast for their size.

That's 818+ running behind a very good O line.. I don't think there is a team in the NFL that could stop that. THey would definatly have to stack the box with nine, or get destroyed by 5 yard runs play after play.. Once they stack the box burn them with a play action.

I/m convinced that is the reason the PA works so well for Manning. First, he sells it well. Second, Jacobs is a monster and if they don't jump the run, he's gonna rip off 5 yards before he's even touched.

bubba g
05-02-2008, 03:33 PM
I/m convinced that is the reason the PA works so well for Manning. First, he sells it well. Second, Jacobs is a monster and if they don't jump the run, he's gonna rip off 5 yards before he's even touched.


No doubt..

The play action was much more effective when Jacobs was in, then when any of the backups were in.

Iraq Attaq
05-02-2008, 10:13 PM
No doubt..

The play action was much more effective when Jacobs was in, then when any of the backups were in.

Both Manning and Jacobs sell the PA very well. I'd say Eli is just as good as Peyton at selling the PA.

bubba g
05-08-2008, 12:40 PM
Kenny Phillips takes #21

http://blog.nj.com/ledgergiants/

Phillips takes Tiki's number
Posted by Mike Garafolo May 08, 2008 2:07PM
Categories: Off-season

Steve Mitchell/US Presswire
Tack on a 2.
In what is probably a tribute to the late Sean Taylor, Giants rookie safety Kenny Phillips has chosen jersey No. 21. Phillips, who arrived at Miami as Taylor departed, wore No. 1 with the Hurricanes, so that might have also played into his decision.

Phillips will become the first Giant to wear No. 21 since Tiki Barber retired. The number was left vacant all last season.

***

Two more guys who will try out with the Giants at rookie minicamp this weekend: former Albany TE/OL Jacob Hobbs and Miami OL Derrick Morse.

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bubba g
05-13-2008, 09:30 AM
Giants Sign Seven Free Agents: The Giants announced on Monday that they have signed the following seven free agents:

DT Brian Soi, Utah (spent time with the Dolphins in 2007)
DT Nate Robinson, Akron (rookie free agent)
DE Alex Morrow, USC (rookie free agent)
S Miguel Scott, North Carolina State (rookie free agent)
S Terrance Stringer, Tuskegee (rookie free agent)
OG Jacob Hobbs, Albany (spent time with the Eagles in 2007)
LS Nick Leeson, Virginia Tech (spent time with the Ravens in 2007)
All seven of these players participated in the Giants? recently completed mini-camp on a tryout basis. Not counting the seven unsigned rookie draft picks, the Giants? roster now stands at 80 players. Once those players are signed, the Giants will have to cut seven more players.

bubba g
05-15-2008, 01:35 PM
http://www.bigblueinteractive.com/

Strahan Says He Has "Pretty Much" Made His Decision: At a charity event last night, DE Michael Strahan said that he has "pretty much" made up his mind on whether to play in 2008 or retire. However, Strahan says he will not make his thoughts public at this time until he is "100 percent sure".

"I think the guys want me to come back," said Strahan. "I think we had a great time together. Osi (Umenyiora) called me out of the blue two days ago and said ?Do you remember 2005? We had so much fun. It was slightly more fun than last year. I think we can do it again. He?s trying to drop these subtle hints. I was like, ?Well, we probably could, but I don?t know Osi.? But there are times I want to and times that I don?t."

"I?ll be honest with you, I pretty much know what I?m going to do right now," said Strahan. "But you know what the thing is? If I say it, I can?t change my mind. So I would rather wait until I know I?m 100 percent sure that when I say what I?m going to do, I?m going to do it. Because if I say I?m retired, then I?m not going to come back the next day. If I?ve graduated from football, I won?t come back the same day in the Masters? program. And if I say I?m going to play again then I know I?m committed to playing. So I know what I want to do. I just want to make sure that its 100 percent what I want to do, because either way it?s a heck of a commitment."

"(I feel) better (now compared to this time last year)," said Strahan. "I mean the ring will make me feel better. Just winning everything makes you feel great. But there?s that Catch-22 because you feel great, you think we need to go back and defend it, but then you think ?I couldn?t write a better ending to the story.? So take your pick. Catch-22."

Strahan was also asked about the Giants saying that they would likely increase his compensation if he plays in 2008. "Yeah, but it?s not that," said Strahan. "Really, you know, money is great. Trust me. Nobody wants to work for free. But at the same time, I can make money doing other stuff that means when I wake up on Sunday I?m not sore, and I can have more time to enjoy life and be with my family. There are a lot of other ways to do other things and make money, but that?s not the sole purpose of life. Really, at this point, it?s enjoying myself and enjoying my family, my friends."

Giants to Receive Their Rings in Two Weeks: According to DE Michael Strahan, the Giants players; coaches; executives and administration; scouting and personnel staff; medical, training, and equipment staff; and others associated with the team will receive their Super Bowl XLII rings on May 29 in a private ceremony. More than 200 rings will be given out. The player rings are valued more than $10,000 each.

bubba g
05-16-2008, 10:52 AM
Giants videos

CB Tyrell Thomas #2 draft pick http://www.giants.com/player/ivideo-08.asp?file_300=rtmp%3A%2F%2Fcp50514%2Eedgefcs%2En et%2Fondemand%2F50515%2F50515%2FMini%5FCamp%2F08%5 F0510%5F30a%2Eflv



QB Andre' Woodson #6 draft pick http://www.giants.com/player/ivideo-08.asp?file_300=rtmp%3A%2F%2Fcp50514%2Eedgefcs%2En et%2Fondemand%2F50515%2F50515%2FMini%5FCamp%2F08%5 F0510%5F3a%2Eflv



DC Steve Spagnuolo http://www.giants.com/player/ivideo-08.asp?file_300=rtmp%3A%2F%2Fcp50514%2Eedgefcs%2En et%2Fondemand%2F50515%2F50515%2FMini%5FCamp%2F08%5 F0510%5Fspagnuolo%2Eflv



Rookie Minicamp http://www.giants.com/player/ivideo-08.asp?file_300=rtmp%3A%2F%2Fcp50514%2Eedgefcs%2En et%2Fondemand%2F50515%2F50515%2FMini%5FCamp%2F08%5 F0510%5Fwrapup%2Eflv



Off season report DT Fred Robbins http://www.giants.com/player/ivideo-08.asp?file_300=rtmp%3A%2F%2Fcp50514%2Eedgefcs%2En et%2Fondemand%2F50515%2F50515%2Foffseason%5Fsitdow n%2Fsitdown%5Frobbins%2Eflv



Off season report David Tyree http://www.giants.com/player/ivideo-08.asp?file_300=rtmp%3A%2F%2Fcp50514%2Eedgefcs%2En et%2Fondemand%2F50515%2F50515%2Foffseason%5Fsitdow n%2Fsitdown%5Ftyree%2Eflv



Off season report Lawrence Tynes http://www.giants.com/player/ivideo-08.asp?file_300=rtmp%3A%2F%2Fcp50514%2Eedgefcs%2En et%2Fondemand%2F50515%2F50515%2Foffseason%5Fsitdow n%2Fsitdown%5Ftynes%2Eflv

Iraq Attaq
05-19-2008, 06:16 PM
Time to vote guys!!




http://temptdestiny.com/eng/map.html

bubba g
05-19-2008, 07:03 PM
Time to vote guys!!




http://temptdestiny.com/eng/map.html


I wont wast any time with that crap. I have seen the votes go backwards by a few hundred votes for the Giants on numerous occasions.

Iraq Attaq
05-19-2008, 07:56 PM
Well, we're currently in first place tied with the Vikings, even though they have more votes.

HeadHoncho91
05-19-2008, 07:59 PM
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k137/TeXaSTeCh222/7E0B338D91D743CE956D8E86DF30B27E1.jpg

bubba g
05-19-2008, 11:24 PM
Well, we're currently in first place tied with the Vikings, even though they have more votes.


Thats the thing they are always ahead. If the giants voted 10000 in a day they would just happen to get 10000 on that paticular day as well.

I had 6 of my friends who are Giants fans all on one day vote every hour. You can vote over 30 times each hour. Sure enough the Vikings went up drasticly on that day, and in the hours we voted for hte Giants, and the Giants score didn't increase as much as it should have with all the votes we put in either.

I have no doubt the voting is fixed, and a waste of time.

The artist makes money when there are more hits on the site. The only team to ever win a championship after getting the billboard was the Giants. I can't imagine there are a ton of other teams willing to vote thousands of times a day, so in an attempt to get Giants fans to vote more, they put a team ahead, and keep them there. Kind of like dangling a carrot infront of a burrow.

Besides, that billboard has absolutly nothing to do with weather the team wins or loses.

THe moral of the story is. Don't waste your time with it.

bubba g
05-30-2008, 10:03 AM
Giants finaly got their rings.

Heres a few pics, and video of the ring ceremony.


The ceremony http://www.giants.com/player/ivideo-08.asp?file_300=http%3A%2F%2Fmfile%2Eakamai%2Ecom% 2F50513%2Fwmv%2Fgiantsnfl%2Edownload%2Eakamai%2Eco m%2F50515%2FMovie%2Easx

Coach Coughlin http://www.giants.com/player/ivideo-08.asp?file_300=rtmp%3A%2F%2Fcp50514%2Eedgefcs%2En et%2Fondemand%2F50515%2F50515%2F08%5F0529%2Fring%5 Fcoughlin%2Eflv

Eli Manning http://www.giants.com/player/ivideo-08.asp?file_300=rtmp%3A%2F%2Fcp50514%2Eedgefcs%2En et%2Fondemand%2F50515%2F50515%2F08%5F0529%2Fring%5 Fmanning%2Eflv

Michael Strahan http://www.giants.com/player/ivideo-08.asp?file_300=rtmp%3A%2F%2Fcp50514%2Eedgefcs%2En et%2Fondemand%2F50515%2F50515%2F08%5F0529%2Fring%5 Fstrahan%2Eflv

Steve Tish http://www.giants.com/player/ivideo-08.asp?file_300=rtmp%3A%2F%2Fcp50514%2Eedgefcs%2En et%2Fondemand%2F50515%2F50515%2F08%5F0529%2Fring%5 Ftisch%2Eflv

John Mara http://www.giants.com/player/ivideo-08.asp?file_300=rtmp%3A%2F%2Fcp50514%2Eedgefcs%2En et%2Fondemand%2F50515%2F50515%2F08%5F0529%2Fring%5 Fmara%2Eflv

http://blog.nj.com/ledgergiants/2008/05/large_elisbring

http://blog.nj.com/ledgergiants/2008/05/large_strahansbring

bubba g
05-30-2008, 10:33 AM
Classy moves on the part of the Giants front office.

Coughlin then assumed ring distribution duties. He first presented a ring to each of his 18 assistant coaches. The next man to receive a ring was Lt. Col. Greg Gadson, the brave soldier who lost both of his legs in Iraq and whose speeches and presence on the sideline inspired the team throughout the season. Gadson received a loud ovation as he walked to the podium on his prosthetic legs and with the help of two canes. Coughlin gave Gadson a bear hug after handing him the ring.

Ernie Acorsi also recived a ring, which I thought was pretty cool, since he was a big part in building the team to what it is.

Iraq Attaq
05-30-2008, 08:36 PM
http://static.nfl.com/static/content/catch_all/nfl_image/giants-rings-529.jpg

bubba g
05-30-2008, 11:18 PM
http://static.nfl.com/static/content/catch_all/nfl_image/giants-rings-529.jpg

Beautiful

bubba g
05-30-2008, 11:57 PM
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80895fe3

Iraq Attaq
06-09-2008, 08:51 PM
Well, I can't say that I'm absolutely shocked that Strahan announced his retirement but, I can say that I'm sad to see him go. Thanks for the great years, Mike. Thanks for the Lombardi Trophy, too.

bubba g
06-11-2008, 01:03 PM
I don't blame Plaxico for this at all.. He definatly deserves more then he is being paid. He kept it quiet for a few months, and nothing has been done. He is worth more then 10 million over the next 3 years


http://blog.nj.com/ledgergiants/2008/06/burress_holding_out_in_contrac.html#more

http://blog.nj.com/ledgergiants/2008/06/more_from_plax_pt_1.html#more

http://blog.nj.com/ledgergiants/2008/06/more_from_plax_pt_2.html#more

bubba g
06-11-2008, 01:20 PM
Shockey's in Jersey, but not practicing

Posted by Mike Garafolo June 11, 2008 10:10AM
Categories: Minicamp
Tight end Jeremy Shockey is here at the Giants mandatory minicamp, though he's not on the field. He's inside the team's complex for now with what's listed as an "ankle" injury -- remember, the broken fibula he suffered was down near the ankle -- and I'm not sure if he'll make an appearance on the practice field later or not.

The following guys are not working out:

WR Plaxico Burress (knee/ankle)
WR David Tyree (knee)
CB Sam Madison (sports hernia)
CB Corey Webster (quad)
LB Gerris Wilkinson (knee)
TE Michael Matthews (shoulder)
LB Zak DeOssie (back)
WR D.J. Hall (back)
LB Danny Clark (sports hernia)

bubba g
06-11-2008, 02:38 PM
Giants mini camp practice report

Practice must go on
Posted by Mike Garafolo June 11, 2008 5:01PM
Categories: Minicamp

It wasn't all drama today. They actually did hold minicamp practices here at Giants Stadium.

But before I get to that, know that GM Jerry Reese had this to say about Jeremy Shockey and Plaxico Burress this afternoon: "Internal business. I'm not talking about anything else, okay? It's just internal business and it'll be handled internally. That's all I have to say."

Also, this afternoon, RB Derrick Ward, DEs Justin Tuck and Osi Umenyiora and LBs Antonio Pierce and Mathias Kiwanuka didn't practice for unknown reasons. Probably want new contracts.

Burress was again standing there, watching practice. Shockey? Yup, inside again.

Here are my notes from the morning:

*Tuck was at left end, as expected, filling in for Michael Strahan.

*WR Michael Jennings made a great catch near the sideline and tiptoed to get both feet in. However, there was no truth to initial reports that he then yelled, "That one was for you, jerzeerj56!" But maybe the second one was for you, jerz. And it was a beauty. Jennings used every inch of his (listed) 5-11 frame to reach up and grab a ball between CB Geoffrey Pope and rookie S Terrance Stringer.

*WR Amani Toomer and QB Eli Manning connected for a nice fade down the left sideline over CB Aaron Ross.

*RB Brandon Jacobs juked Pierce after catching a quick hitch over the middle. Hey, maybe this big guy does have some moves after all. (That's sarcasm, btw.) Jacobs then celebrated with a leaping hip bump with Ward.

*WR Steve Smith, clearly feeling Mario Manninghan breathing down the neck of his roster spot (also sarcasm), dropped a ball on a comeback to the right side. Manning put the ball low to keep it away from the cornerback, so Smith had to go down to get it, but he should have made the catch and he knew it. Manningham, coincidentally, made a catch on a similarly low ball from QB Anthony Wright a few minutes later.

*WR Todd Lowber, the former Ramapo track star, was wide open on a fade down the left side, but QB David Carr's pass floated and Lowber appeared to fight the ball more than attempt catch it. It bounced off his hands and to the ground for an incompletion.

*I still like what I see from CB Terrell Thomas. He was stride-for-stride with Manningham on a deep ball that fell incomplete. Thomas hasn't been perfect, but the second-round pick is, more often than not, close to his receiver.

*And it's not minicamp until an established veteran fights with some undrafted hopeful. Today, it was FB Madison Hedgecock and DE Alex Morrow who traded shoves for a few seconds on a punt return.

*DE Dave Tollefson, whose chances of contributing next year went up big time with Strahan's retirement, showed good awareness on an Smith end around.

*Nice ball from QB Jared Lorenzen to WR Domenik Hixon on a cross just above the LB in coverage. (Couldn't see which one it was.) Hixon later caught a fade for a TD from Manning and past CB Darren Barnett.


As for the afternoon, just a few tidbits:

*WR Sinorice Moss dropped three passes. Yikes.

*Nice PDs by CB R.W. McQuarters and Barnett. And give one to DT Jay Alford for batting down a screen pass in the backfield.

*Manning had a solid afternoon, especially when he fired a strike to Hixon over the middle.

***

El Gilbro
06-13-2008, 06:02 AM
Darcy Johnson seems to be having a pretty good mini-camp thus far according to Mike Garafalo.

I'd like to see this Shockey ordeal smoothed over, then TE wouldn't be a problem with Boss and a healthy Johnson. I imagine Matthews would be cut unless Shockey ends up playing elsewhere or Johnson gets hurt again.

I hope they straighten things out with Plax. I want to see him in blue for a long time.

bubba g
06-13-2008, 07:56 PM
Darcy Johnson seems to be having a pretty good mini-camp thus far according to Mike Garafalo.

I'd like to see this Shockey ordeal smoothed over, then TE wouldn't be a problem with Boss and a healthy Johnson. I imagine Matthews would be cut unless Shockey ends up playing elsewhere or Johnson gets hurt again.

I hope they straighten things out with Plax. I want to see him in blue for a long time.


Plax needs to be worked out, because he deserves more then he's getting. 10 million over 3 years is way underpaid. His stats would be much better if Eli had been more consistant through the last few years. He's not being unreasonable, and isn't asking to be paid as much as TO, or Moss, he just wants a fair pay. I wish he would have practiced, but these mini camps are more for rookies, and younger players then vets anyway, so no big deal.

Darcy Johnson is a beast. I was upset that he was injured before last season, because he was impressive last year at camp as well. Good hands, speed, and burst for a player his size.

bubba g
06-16-2008, 06:24 AM
Bump....

NYG
06-16-2008, 06:30 AM
Whoa, I've never seen this thread before. I gotta frequent the sports section more often. And yes my username is what you think it stands for and yes I've had it since 06 and haven't changed it since.

percussion8903
06-16-2008, 07:35 AM
10 million over 3 years is way underpaid.

agreed. Though I never thought I'd see that sentence.

bubba g
06-16-2008, 09:22 AM
agreed. Though I never thought I'd see that sentence.

Me either. lol

But when you compare his performance to other WRs around the league, and then compare his contract, he definatly not getting paid what he's worth.

I have never seen a player hold out, and get so much support from fans, and sports casters. Everyone on the NFL Network says "pay him" I've seen alot of Sports writers who also say "pay him" He's not even looking for the same as Moss, or TO, he's just looking for a fair, and long term contract, so he can retire a Giant.

The Giants are going to have to work some magic to keep some of the players they have. Chris Snees contract will be up after this year, Brandon Jacobs contract expires after this year, Cory Websters contract expires after this year.

From what I hear the Giants, and Jacobs agents numbers aren't even close. The team has to decide on which RB is going to start. Bradshaw might win the starting job. The offensive line is set up for a small scat back like Bradshaw, but Jacobs is a beast, and had the 3rd highest per game rush average in the NFL, if he stayed healthy all year he probably would have had in the neighborhood of 1500 yards.

WRs is going to be a tough decision as well.. I think Tyree is going to be one of the odd men out unfortunatly.. I think Dominic Hixon will be taking his place because he has more versatility. He returns kicks, is a gunner on kick returns, and from what I hear has great speed at WR. (I also remeber reading that Champ Bailey was upset that Denver let Hixon go, because he felt he was a very talented WR) coming from Champ Bailey that is saying something.

Iraq Attaq
06-16-2008, 09:15 PM
I really like Hixon. It's been a long time since the G-Men had a home run threat returning kicks. We now have Hixon, Bradshaw, and Ross. All of whom are very effective return men.


Funny how hindsight is 20/20. I was seriously pissed when we cut Anthony Mix to make room for Hixon. lol

Mix was picked up by the Deadskinz.

bubba g
06-17-2008, 02:58 AM
I really like Hixon. It's been a long time since the G-Men had a home run threat returning kicks. We now have Hixon, Bradshaw, and Ross. All of whom are very effective return men.


Funny how hindsight is 20/20. I was seriously pissed when we cut Anthony Mix to make room for Hixon. lol

Mix was picked up by the Deadskinz.

True.. Ross was compared to Devin Hester as a returner, but I don't think the Giants are willing to risk him getting injured, so I don't think we'll ever get a chance to see him return a kick.

I was also a little upset when they let go of Mix. He played well when he got opportunities, had a great attitude, and I figured with a 6'5 Plaxico, a 6'3 Toomer, and 6'5 Mix all in a WR package, it would be pretty impossible for teams to cover them considering most CBs are 5'9 - 5'11

It should be an exiting year. Eli is said to be looking real good in camp (much improved over previous years) Not just with passes, but they said they are throwing some complex blitz packages at him, and he is picking them right up, and shutting them down.

I think the Giants are going to have a great WR core this year. Manningham is a burner, Hixon is a burner, Steve Smith is way better then people think (watch some of the moves he makes to shake off DBs) Then ofcoarse you have Plax, and Toomer who are play makers. Toomer is fully recovered from his knee surgery now, and is said to be looking great at mini camp.

El Gilbro
06-17-2008, 05:57 AM
The Giants are going to have to work some magic to keep some of the players they have. Chris Snees contract will be up after this year, Brandon Jacobs contract expires after this year, Cory Websters contract expires after this year.

From what I hear the Giants, and Jacobs agents numbers aren't even close. The team has to decide on which RB is going to start. Bradshaw might win the starting job. The offensive line is set up for a small scat back like Bradshaw, but Jacobs is a beast, and had the 3rd highest per game rush average in the NFL, if he stayed healthy all year he probably would have had in the neighborhood of 1500 yards.


I think Snee will get an extension, no problem.

Jacobs isn't sitting as pretty this year as he was going into last year. I love his style, but with his injury history and Ward and Bradshaw stepping up, he isn't as indispensable as he once was. With Jacobs' and Ward's contracts being up at the end of the year, I think these two are in full competition for an extension with whomever can overcome their injury bug winning the prize. Regardless of who is retained, I think Bradshaw will end up being the feature back in the future....if not this season already.

If Webster can prove that his elevated play at the end of last season wasn't just a fluke, he should get an extension sometime during the year.

At WR, Tyree's knee will make or break him. He's been a ST monster for years, but only so-so at WR. Are his Super Bowl heroics (and permanent place in Giant's lore as a result) enough to keep him from getting cut?

bubba g
06-17-2008, 07:11 AM
I think Snee will get an extension, no problem.

Jacobs isn't sitting as pretty this year as he was going into last year. I love his style, but with his injury history and Ward and Bradshaw stepping up, he isn't as indispensable as he once was. With Jacobs' and Ward's contracts being up at the end of the year, I think these two are in full competition for an extension with whomever can overcome their injury bug winning the prize. Regardless of who is retained, I think Bradshaw will end up being the feature back in the future....if not this season already.

True, I'm sure injuries are the reason the #s don't match up between Giants FO, and Brandons agent, but I don't know if he's as injury prone as he is being made out to be. His big injury (Knee, week one) was a fluke, that could have happened to any player in the league. His own lineman, and a defensive player fell into the side of his knee while his foot was planted. It had nothing to do with his bruising running style. Other injury was a common RB injury (hamstring) and he came back real quick from it.

One think I have noticed is that if you look at injury prone players in the NFL they were also injured alot thruout their college carrers .. (see Adrian Peterson) Another thing I notice is that they don't heal quickly when they are injured.

Jacobs was never injured to the point where he couldn't play prior to that injury in week one, not even in highschool or college. He also came back quickly from his injuries. [/quote]



If Webster can prove that his elevated play at the end of last season wasn't just a fluke, he should get an extension sometime during the year.

Agreed, I hope he comes back even better, and he should. He did a great job on many occasions 1 on 1 covering some of hte best WRs in the NFL in the playoff run. I think he used his time on the sidelines well. Another thing I think had alot to do with Webster turning his game around was when Sam Madison was injured, and was on the sidelines helping out all the defensive backs, telling them what he saw, and coaching them during the game.


At WR, Tyree's knee will make or break him. He's been a ST monster for years, but only so-so at WR. Are his Super Bowl heroics (and permanent place in Giant's lore as a result) enough to keep him from getting cut?

True, if he is healthy they will probably keep him over Moss, or Jennings unless they both look great in preseason, and camp.



Oh yeah on Snee.. I think it depends on what he wants. He has said he wants to remain a Giants, but talented O linemen are getting fat contracts these days. If he tests the free agent waters he might get an offer too good to pass up.

El Gilbro
06-17-2008, 10:48 AM
I hope Snee doesn't get a chance to test free agency. He's been a Pro Bowl snub for the past two years, if you ask me.

And I think a lot of Webster's problems up until this point was Tim Lewis' defensive scheme. Some guys just don't fit the read-and-react style. For two years he tried to adjust his style to a different scheme, and then a new d-coordinator comes in with a style more suited to him and he has to readjust yet again. (Gibril also seemed better suited to Spags' style. Depending on what type defense Oakland runs, they may regret giving him a big contract.)

bubba g
06-19-2008, 05:49 AM
I hope Snee doesn't get a chance to test free agency. He's been a Pro Bowl snub for the past two years, if you ask me.

And I think a lot of Webster's problems up until this point was Tim Lewis' defensive scheme. Some guys just don't fit the read-and-react style. For two years he tried to adjust his style to a different scheme, and then a new d-coordinator comes in with a style more suited to him and he has to readjust yet again. (Gibril also seemed better suited to Spags' style. Depending on what type defense Oakland runs, they may regret giving him a big contract.)


No doubt on Snee. I think he wants to be a Giants so that is good, I'm sure he'd be willing to play for less then his value to stay, but he's also not going to play for peanuts.

Tim Lewis sucked as a DC. I heard he was brutal on the players in practice, putting them down, and treating them like dirt etc. Spagnulu has alot of great qualities as a coach. He is a smart guy, and passionate about coaching. He forms great relationships with the players, and listens to their opinions on what they think could better the defense.

He builds the defense around the players strengths, instead of trying to force his system on players.

bubba g
06-19-2008, 08:26 AM
http://www.giants.com/news/headlines/story.asp?story_id=27169

American Chopper, Giants style
Tune into TLC tonight at 9 PM EDT to watch the making of the Giants bike on "American Chopper"
By Mike Eisen, Giants.com

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JUNE 19, 2008

EAST RUTHEFORD, NJ - If a Giants player ever rode a motorcycle, this would be the one.



The making of the Giants bike will be highlighted on "American Chopper" tonight!
The ultimate Giants fan bike has been designed and produced by Orange County Choppers, a custom motorcycle manufacturer founded and run by Giants fans Paul Teutul, Sr. and Paul Teutul, Jr. Early last year, father and son visited Giants Stadium, where tackle David Diehl chaperoned their private tour. They then produced a bike that is dressed in the Giants? red, while and blue and is adorned with incredible Giants details.

The making of the Giants bike will be highlighted on ?American Chopper,? the show that since 2002 has featured the Teutuls? company, tonight, June 19, at 9.m. EDT on TLC.

Diehl, along with Michael Strahan, Shaun O?Hara, Rich Seubert and former Giant mark Bavaro, attended the unveiling of the bike at OCC?s new world headquarters in Newburgh, N.Y.

?It was great to be able to go there to get a behind-the-scenes tour of how the choppers are built,? Diehl said. ?It was cool just to go to see all the bikes themselves and the different stations they were working on and how they did everything. They cut off wheels and fenders out of solid steel. That was unbelievable to be able to see those big machines. The other thing that was awesome was to see the finished bike, how many Giants fans were there and how excited they were. All in all it was awesome. There were tons of Giants fans there.

The chopper includes such features as a helmet-inspired gas tank, floating ?NY" rear wheel, goal post rear fender struts and all the Giants logos that can possibly fit on a motorcycle.

?It?s unbelievable how detailed it is,? Diehl said. ?The gas tank is a Giants football helmet. There?s a big facemask on the front. In there back big wheel there?s a floating ?NY,? so when you?re riding it stays still. Everything about it is great ? it looks like a New York Giants bike.?

Giants fan can see it for themselves tonight on TLC!

El Gilbro
06-19-2008, 10:43 AM
Bradshaw's in jail because of a parole/probation violation.

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2008/06/report_bradshaw_in_jail.html

:(

Hope it's something minor. The organization put him on a short leash b/c of his past when they drafted him.

bubba g
06-19-2008, 11:38 AM
Bradshaw's in jail because of a parole/probation violation.

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2008/06/report_bradshaw_in_jail.html

:(

Hope it's something minor. The organization put him on a short leash b/c of his past when they drafted him.

I was just about to post that here.. That sucks, I hope he doesn't get a suspension.

More info is out.. I havn't read them yet, but here they are.

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2008/06/bradshaw_situation_could_get_i.html

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2008/06/a_few_details_on_bradshaw.html

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2008/06/giants_bradshaws_incident_an_o.html

bubba g
06-19-2008, 11:45 AM
Whatever the reason he is in jail it was from a probation violation from before he was drafted. So the Gaintsteam shouldn't hold it against him, and neither should the league.



Here's a statement released by the Giants on Ahmad Bradshaw a few minutes ago:

"We are aware of the situation and have been in contact with Ahamd's legal representative. This situation is not the result of any recent incident. It stems from an issue that occurred prior to Ahmad being drafted by the Giants. Beyond that, we have no further comment."

Since the incident occurred more than a year ago, Bradshaw would likely remain in good standing with the team because he apparently hasn't done anything since he told GM Jerry Reese, "I won't let you down."

At some point, the details will come out on this one. Stay tuned for those. For now, take comfort in the fact that Bradshaw's spot with the Giants is apparently safe.

MG

bubba g
06-20-2008, 06:03 AM
Good news, Bradshaw will be out intime for camp.


BRADSHAW?S DAD: JAIL UNRELATED TO COLLEGE TROUBLE
Posted by Michael David Smith on June 20, 2008, 8:04 a.m.
It?s still unclear why Giants running back Ahmad Bradshaw is behind bars, but his father suggested to the New York Daily News that it has nothing to do with the legal trouble Bradshaw had in college.

The Daily News reports that James Bradshaw, Ahmad Bradshaw?s father, was reached by telephone last night and ?would only say that the probation violation had to do with a previous juvenile offense unrelated to the player?s run-ins with the law while at the University of Virginia and Marshall University.?

That contradicts the theory floated by Tom Rock of Newsday that either one or both of Bradshaw?s two college arrests violated his probation from when he was a juvenile, and that?s why he?s currently serving 30 days in jail.

But it still doesn?t answer a very simple question: Why is Bradshaw in jail? His lawyer won?t say, the team won?t say, and everyone is left to wonder.

El Gilbro
06-20-2008, 06:26 AM
His lawyer's statement:

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2008/06/bradshaws_lawyer_confirms_ther.html

bubba g
06-22-2008, 12:59 AM
I'd think it's a safe bet that Pope is going to be cut. I was hoping they could develop this kid into a decent corner, he has blistering quickness, and speed. 4.25 40

POPE IN A HEAP OF TROUBLE
Posted by Mike Florio on June 21, 2008, 7:23 p.m.
As it turns out, there are worse things you can do with a bottle of champagne than spray it into a crowd of strangers.

Giants cornerback Geoffrey Pope faces felony charges in Detroit after allegedly hitting a man over the head with a champagne bottle.

The victim is the son of a local television anchor, and he took 28 stitches to the ear.

Pope was celebrating his birthday. We hope that, when he blew out the candles, he wished for a good defense lawyer.

El Gilbro
06-23-2008, 09:54 AM
On a positive note.....

Eli won the "Spike's Guys Choice Award" mantlers over Tiger Woods for "Unstoppable Jock". But....we already knew he was unstoppable. The Citizen watch commercial told us so.

bubba g
06-23-2008, 11:58 AM
On a positive note.....

Eli won the "Spike's Guys Choice Award" mantlers over Tiger Woods for "Unstoppable Jock". But....we already knew he was unstoppable. The Citizen watch commercial told us so.

lol... true dat...

Here's more good news

POPE IS CLEARED
Posted by Mike Florio on June 23, 2008, 1:15 p.m.
Giants defensive back Geoffrey Pope has been cleared of any and all allegations of misconduct in connection with a late Friday/early Saturday brawl that resulted in a man being hit in the head with a champagne bottle.

Pope’s agent, Rich De Luca, tells us that Pope was cleared after the man responsible for swinging the bottle of bubbly turned himself in.

It was initially reported that Pope faced felony battery charges in the wake of the incident.

We’ve also separately heard that Browns receiver Braylon Edwards was at the same club that evening, but that he was wise enough to make like a shepherd and get the flock out when things to a turn toward violence. Edwards was not detained, questioned, or accused at any time of any wrongdoing.

De Luca tells us that the Giants are aware of the development, and that they’ll be issuing a statement soon.

bubba g
06-23-2008, 12:07 PM
More positive stuff

EX-GIANT MARTIN RAISES $2 MILLION
Posted by Michael David Smith on June 23, 2008, 9:32 a.m.
Former Giants defensive lineman George Martin has completed his walk from New York to San Diego to raise money for health care for 9/11 rescue workers.

?While this has been a difficult undertaking, it has also been wonderful to see our nation on foot while raising awareness about the plight of these 9/11 workers,? Martin said.

Martin began the walk on September 16 in New York City, with an appearance at halftime of the Giants? game against the Packers that day. He covered 3,003 miles in all.

bubba g
06-23-2008, 01:37 PM
Terry, Howie, Jimmy, and Michael

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/nfl/06/23/strahan.fox/index.html

SI.com has learned that Michael Strahan, the garrulous just-retired Giants defensive end, has been signed by Fox Sports as an NFL studio analyst. A press conference is expected Tuesday in New York City to formally announce the hiring.

Strahan will join host Curt Menefee, and analysts Terry Bradshaw, Howie Long and Jimmy Johnson on the set of FOX NFL Sunday. He is the second high-profile Giant (Tiki Barber) in as many years to land a plum job on a network pregame show. Strahan's agent, Maury Gostfrand, told USA Today last week that his client is interested in calling games as well as studio work. As a long-term play, Strahan said he could see himself appearing in sitcoms or hosting a late-night talk show. He has a home in Hermosa Beach, Calif., which puts him close to Fox's Los Angeles studios.

Strahan, 36, played 15 seasons with the Giants -- he had three tackles, one sack and two quarterback hits in the Giants' 17-14 win in Super Bowl XLII last February -- and is franchise leader in games played (216) and career sacks (141 ?). He set the NFL single season sack record with 22 ? sacks in 2001 and was named to the Pro Bowl seven times.

bubba g
06-23-2008, 02:23 PM
Giants cut backup QB Jared Lorenzen

Suprised that J load was cut. I thought for sure Anthony Wright was going to be the first QB cut. My guess is that Wright will be next. The team will keep Woodson to develop him, Carr because he has starting experience.




EAST RUTHERFORD, NJ - The Giants today trimmed their roster by waiving five players, including backup quarterback Jared Lorenzen, who had been with the organization since 2004.



Jared Lorenzen has been with the Giants since 2004
Also released were four first-year players: Wide receiver Todd Lowber, long snapper Nick Leeson, defensive tackle Brian Soi and offensive lineman Jacobs Hobbs.

The moves leave the Giants with 81 players (including six unsigned draft choices). They have four quarterbacks: Manning, Anthony Wright, David Carr and rookie Andre Woodson.

Lorenzen was signed as a rookie free agent in 2004, the same year the Giants acquired Eli Manning. The lefthander from Kentucky did not play that season but served as a backup to Manning each of the next three years.

During his Giants tenure, Lorenzen played in four regular season games and one postseason game. In the regular season, Lorenzen threw eight passes and completed four for 28 yards ? all in 2007 ? and had one regular season rushing attempt for 2 yards. He also has one postseason rushing attempt for two yards. Both runs were in the 2006 season.

In 2007, Lorenzen played in the first two games of the season as the backup quarterback, then was inactive as the third quarterback for the final 14 regular season games and in all four postseason contests.

Lowber, who played at Ramapo College, spent two stints on the Giants practice squad last season. He entered the NFL as a free agent signee by the Minnesota Vikings in 2007.

Leeson played in two preseason games for the Baltimore Ravens last year. He was signed by the Giants on May 12, 2008. Leeson was the long snapper at Virginia Tech from 2003-2006.

Soi, a product of Utah State, played in four preseason games for the Miami Dolphins in 2007. He was signed by the Giants after last month?s rookie mini-camp.

Hobbs played in four preseason games for the Philadelphia Eagles last year. When he signed in May, he became the first Giants player from the University at Albany, where the Giants have held training camp since 1996.

bubba g
06-24-2008, 05:58 AM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story;jsessionid=D619B1A3653DFFBE49CE5883E9FFF07A? id=09000d5d808f8b65&template=with-video&confirm=true

The Eli Manning vs. Tony Romo debate has been raging over the airwaves this offseason.




The No. 1 debate this spring on my radio show "Moving the Chains" on Sirius NFL Radio has been which QB is better, Tony Romo or Eli Manning?

Cowboys fans contend the argument isn't close, Romo by a landslide. The Giants fans feel the Super Bowl victory ends the debate. Cowboys fans are quick to remind Giants fans that most of the Big Blue faithful were trying to run Eli Manning out of town halfway through the 2007 season. The Giants fans keep asking how can the Cowboys fans be so loyal to a guy who has never won a playoff game? The raging debate has been spirited, to say the least, as fans get emotional. I thought it would be a good time to tag the argument with some facts and figures.

Tony Romo vs. Eli Manning
How the two QBs measured up in the 2007 regular season:

Tony Romo
Att: 520
Comp: 335
Yards: 4,211
TD/INT: 36/19
Rating: 97.4

Eli Manning
Att: 529
Comp: 297
Yards: 3,336
TD/INT: 23/20
Rating: 73.9

Eli Manning and Tony Romo have both played enough in the past two seasons to compare their production. While Romo has been in the NFL longer, Eli Manning has been on the field longer. Some categories can be compared head-to-head while others will be discussed by percentages. My intent is not to direct you to decide which man is the best player, but to help you decide which guy you like more and at least have some facts to back up the opinion in case you run into a Cowboys/Giants argument over the summer.

Let's start at the top and work backward.

The playoff comparison
Eli Manning is now 4-2 in playoff games, including a victory in Super Bowl XLII. Romo is 0-2 in playoff games. Eli Manning has completed 59.7 percent of his passes; Romo has connected on 53.8 percent. Eli Manning has thrown a touchdown pass 1:20.5 pass attempts, Romo has hit pay dirt 1:32.5 attempts. Manning has been sacked 1:13 attempts in the playoffs; Romo has only gone to the turf 1:17 throws. Eli Manning averages 6.8 yards per pass attempt and 11.5 yards per completion. Romo averages 6.0 yards per attempt and 11.1 per completion. Advantage: Manning

Regular season comparison
Over the past two seasons Eli Manning has thrown 1,051 passes to Romo's 857 so there is enough similarity to weigh the results. Eli Manning connected on 57 percent of his passes with 47 touchdown passes and 38 interceptions; he was sacked 52 times. Tony Romo completed 65 percent of his passes with 55 touchdowns and 32 interceptions; he was sacked 45 sacks. Advantage: Romo

Division play
There's not a coach alive who doesn't say your team has to be built to win the division. Since Eli Manning took over as the QB, the Giants have gone 14-10 in the division, winning 58.3% of their games. Romo has gone 6-5 in the division, winning 54.5% of their games. Romo is closing in on Eli Manning but the Giants QB has never had a losing division record in four years, while Romo went 1-3 his first year. Advantage: Manning

Personal stats (last two seasons)
Eli Manning has connected on 69 passes over 20 yards. Romo has done it 73 times in 194 less attempts. As for 300-yard passing games, Eli Manning has just six in his career and three over the past two years, recording a 2-1 record in those games. Romo has hit the 300 mark 10 times in the past two seasons and boasts a 9-1 record in those games. Advantage: Romo

So after this breakdown it is a split decision, but if you like playoff football and division play Eli Manning is the winner. If you like regular season and personal achievements then Romo is the winner.

Tune into my radio show this week and weigh in with your opinion. Maybe a non-Cowboys or Giants fan can bring their opinion to the most heated debate this spring.

Have a football-related question for Pat that you would like answered in a future column? Email him at footballmentor@aol.com. "Movin' the Chains," Pat's SIRIUS NFL Radio show with co-host Tim Ryan, can be heard weekdays from 3-7 p.m. ET.

El Gilbro
06-24-2008, 06:05 AM
I'm surprised Lorenzen made it this far. I kinda liked him, but truth be told, he was no more than a novelty. If you needed a QB sneak or somebody to throw the ball a mile, he was your man. But outside of that, I never wanted to see him come off the bench. I was more comfortable with the idea of Wright leading the team should Eli get injured.

bubba g
06-24-2008, 07:54 AM
I'm surprised Lorenzen made it this far. I kinda liked him, but truth be told, he was no more than a novelty. If you needed a QB sneak or somebody to throw the ball a mile, he was your man. But outside of that, I never wanted to see him come off the bench. I was more comfortable with the idea of Wright leading the team should Eli get injured.


The Giants moved him down the debth chart, then cut him for a reason. I trust coaches and front office made the right choice. I have a feeling Wright will be gone next. I think the team will keep David Carr because he has experience starting in he NFL, and Andre Woodson because of his potential.

Carr was a very good QB in college, and has all the tools to be a very good NFL QB. I think playing behind the Texans line ruined him. Hopfuly the Gaints can get him back to form, or at the very least into good backup form.. He is extreemly good at completing short passes. I think he lead the league in completion % a couple years ago. Dispite the crappy O line.

Andre Johnson broke the college record for most completions without an INT. I think it was 300 or 301. The knock on him is he needs to release the ball quicker.

El Gilbro
06-24-2008, 12:47 PM
Snee extended!!!

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2008/06/breaking_news_giants_extend_sn.html

bubba g
06-24-2008, 01:04 PM
Snee extended!!!

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2008/06/breaking_news_giants_extend_sn.html

Good news...

"Snee will now be among the top five highest-paid players at his position"

Some players will be getting cut. I agree with the person that commented McQuarters will get cut. I think he's due 4+ million this year unless he restructures his contract. I don't see them cutting Madison though. He's still the #1 CB on the team, and is a great veteran leader to have teach the younger guys.

I imagine Plaxico isn't going to be too happy when he sees how much Snee gets. Top O lineman are getting fat contracts these days.

MuscleSportMag
06-24-2008, 01:36 PM
Lorenzen, aka "The Hefty Lefty," was done once the Giants signed David Carr. Anthony Wright has more of an upside than Lorenzen, as does Carr. Both have been starters for other clubs at one point in their careers. If Eli goes down for any period of time, the team can hopefully tread water with one of these guys behind center and hope that the running game works during that time.

bubba g
06-24-2008, 06:35 PM
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2008/06/strahan_films_cameo_on_nbcs_ch.html

Michael Strahan's broadcasting career is taking off -- he's the newest member of FOX's NFL pregame show -- and his acting career isn't far behind.

Last week in Burbank, Ca., Strahan filmed a guest spot for NBC TV show "Chuck," playing Mitt, the manager of the Mighty Jock sporting goods store in the mall where geeky main character Chuck Bartowski works.

"When the cameras rolled, Michael was really, really funny," said Josh Schwartz, the show's creator and executive producer. "Everyone on the set was completely blown away. Broadcasting or acting, he's got a future."

In the episode, which will air Oct. 20, Mitt and his staff take over the home theater of the Buy More electronics store at lunchtime, playing Madden and leaving behind a mess of wrappers and food. Morgan, Chuck's best friend and co-worker at Buy More, has to confront Mitt, resulting in a showdown scene ala 80s film "Three O'Clock High."

Schwartz expected this to be a one-time cameo for Strahan, but the ex-Giants DE was so impressive, the show would consider welcoming him back.

"After everyone saw him, they were like, 'Well, maybe we should get Mitt back here,' " Schwartz said.

(Thanks to Star-Ledger TV critic Alan Sepinwall for getting the tip on this).

bubba g
06-25-2008, 07:19 AM
The team announced the signing of three draft picks: LBs Bryan Kehl (fourth round) and Jonathan Goff (fifth) and QB Andre' Woodson (sixth). Terms were not immediately available. With the signing of DE Robert Henderson (sixth) last week to a four-year, $1.78 million contract that includes a $77,900 signing bonus, the only unsigned picks are S Kenny Phillips (first), CB Terrell Thomas (second) and WR Mario Manningham (third).

Iraq Attaq
06-29-2008, 04:27 PM
I'm thinking that Carr might actually get cut. From what I hear, he has looked like **** in camp. Remember, Wright has starting experience as well and he is much more mobile than Carr. If it comes down to Wright or Carr (which inevitably , it will) Carr will be handed the pink slip.

bubba g
06-29-2008, 06:27 PM
I'm thinking that Carr might actually get cut. From what I hear, he has looked like **** in camp. Remember, Wright has starting experience as well and he is much more mobile than Carr. If it comes down to Wright or Carr (which inevitably , it will) Carr will be handed the pink slip.


Anthony Wright has only started 19 games in his 9 year career. Honestly he's also not really mobile at all. His average Yards per rush is 2.8. Carr on the other hand is pretty mobile 4.5 yard per carry average.

Wrights career QB rating is 66.3

I heard that Carr looked like crap at the start of Mini camp, and that he looked very uncomfortable, but that he settled down the last couple days, and started looking very good.

undertowg
06-29-2008, 08:02 PM
i still can't believe the giants are superball champs

Vinnny
06-29-2008, 09:10 PM
damn...hope season ticket holders have fun paying those new personal seat licenses...

bubba g
06-30-2008, 01:02 PM
damn...hope season ticket holders have fun paying those new personal seat licenses...

It's not for 2 years, and It's a thousand dollars. I'm sure they'll make it up the same way they covered the cost of their season tickets. Scalp a few of your tickets.

It is a matter of time before every stadium has PSLs. Alot do already.

Baltimore Ravens PSL Permanent Seat Licenses
Carolina Panthers PSL Personal Seat Licenses
Chicago Bears PSL Permanent Seat Licenses
Cincinnati Bengals COA Charter Ownership Agreements
Cleveland Browns PSL Permanent Seat Licenses
Dallas Cowboys SL Seat Licenses (Effective in the new stadium only. No seat licenses in Texas Stadium)
New York Giants PSL Personal Seat Licenses (Effective in the New Meadowlands Stadium only.(2010)
Houston Texans PSL Personal Seat Licenses
Philadelphia Eagles SBL Stadium Builder Licenses
Pittsburgh Steelers SL Seat Licenses
Seattle Seahawks CSL Charter Seat Licenses
St. Louis Rams PSL Personal Seat Licenses
Tennessee Titans PSL Personal Seat Licenses

El Gilbro
07-03-2008, 06:16 AM
i still can't believe the giants are superball champs

Is "superball" some kind of lottery? ;)


I'm thinking that Carr might actually get cut. From what I hear, he has looked like **** in camp. Remember, Wright has starting experience as well and he is much more mobile than Carr. If it comes down to Wright or Carr (which inevitably , it will) Carr will be handed the pink slip.


Anthony Wright has only started 19 games in his 9 year career. Honestly he's also not really mobile at all. His average Yards per rush is 2.8. Carr on the other hand is pretty mobile 4.5 yard per carry average.

Wrights career QB rating is 66.3

I heard that Carr looked like crap at the start of Mini camp, and that he looked very uncomfortable, but that he settled down the last couple days, and started looking very good.

I hope we never have to see the 2nd QB come off the bench. That said.....I'm more comfortable with either Carr or Wright taking over than I am with Lorenzen. If Eli would go down for any length of time and land on the IR, chances are that somebody (possibly even Lorenzen) could be signed should the injury bug wreak further havoc on the QB position.

If I had to make a prediction at this point, I'd say....

1. Eli
2. Carr
3. Woodson

Carr and Wright will definitely be battling it out in training camp, though.

NewYorkGiants
07-03-2008, 06:19 AM
Giants repeat anyone?

bubba g
07-04-2008, 08:32 PM
Espy commercials..

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Strahan in this one.
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bubba g
07-05-2008, 09:29 AM
NFL Total Access Tuesday July 15th 7pm

NFL Total Access provides the latest news and analysis from around the league as teams prepare for the start of training camp. Inside look at the New York Giants.

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/networkschedule?selectedMonth=July&field=selectedDate&selectedDate=07%2F15%2F2008

percussion8903
07-06-2008, 12:10 PM
I'll be watching just to see what Brandon Jacobs does when he scores.

Iraq Attaq
07-06-2008, 03:16 PM
According to The North Jersey Record, Giants tight end Jeremy Shockey and GM Jerry Reese got in a shouting match Friday at the team?s minicamp.

Shockey remained secluded Friday, the final day of the team?s mandatory minicamp, leaving Giants Stadium before the morning practice ended. Reports later surfaced he and Reese had an animated argument, apparently over some points the tight end listed Saturday as reasons for his unrest.

One was the Giants? insistence he watch Super Bowl XLII from co-owner Steve Tisch?s luxury box instead of from the sidelines. More important, however, was Shockey?s claim the Giants spread the rumors of his off-season unrest in hopes of drumming up trade interest.

During an appearance last Saturday at Corona Park, Shockey said the Giants ?released multiple things about myself. If you look back into the media, there?s always a source. Well, I?d like to know who the source is. We?ll go over here and deal it out ourselves.?

If he figured Reese as the source, the argument might have been the ?deal it out.?

This situation is going to get worse before it gets better. If he wants to be traded, Shockey is going about it the wrong way by fighting with the general manager. If he continues to speak his mind to the media, the Giants will never get fair compensation in a trade. Either way, it might be time for the G-Men to part with this headache and give Kevin Boss a shot.

NewYorkGiants
07-06-2008, 03:46 PM
I wish we had traded Shockey on draft day. As much as I have loved and appreciated his intensity on the field in the past, he has become too much of a headache. I still hope he can turn is act around and shut his mouth and play some good ball, but that remains to be seen. I have my doubts.

bubba g
07-06-2008, 05:38 PM
According to The North Jersey Record, Giants tight end Jeremy Shockey and GM Jerry Reese got in a shouting match Friday at the team?s minicamp.

Shockey remained secluded Friday, the final day of the team?s mandatory minicamp, leaving Giants Stadium before the morning practice ended. Reports later surfaced he and Reese had an animated argument, apparently over some points the tight end listed Saturday as reasons for his unrest.

One was the Giants? insistence he watch Super Bowl XLII from co-owner Steve Tisch?s luxury box instead of from the sidelines. More important, however, was Shockey?s claim the Giants spread the rumors of his off-season unrest in hopes of drumming up trade interest.

During an appearance last Saturday at Corona Park, Shockey said the Giants ?released multiple things about myself. If you look back into the media, there?s always a source. Well, I?d like to know who the source is. We?ll go over here and deal it out ourselves.?

If he figured Reese as the source, the argument might have been the ?deal it out.?

This situation is going to get worse before it gets better. If he wants to be traded, Shockey is going about it the wrong way by fighting with the general manager. If he continues to speak his mind to the media, the Giants will never get fair compensation in a trade. Either way, it might be time for the G-Men to part with this headache and give Kevin Boss a shot.

I remember hearing about that a few weeks ago. I don't think things have gotten better since the heated argument occured either, becase Shockey doesn't stay intouch with the FO, or the coaches much in the offseason..

As for Shockeys theory on the Giants starting the rumors that he was unhappy with the Giants. I can't think of one reason that the team would do that. The last thing you want to do is make the other teams think they are doing you a favor by taking a trouble player off your hands.

NewYorkGiants
07-06-2008, 09:09 PM
don't hate the greatest TE in the game.

He might have become the greatest TE in the game had his career not been sidetracked by injuries, a terrible temper, a piss-poor attitude, and a selfish 12 year old mentality. I love him on the field but he's just a loser and a head case off the field.

I'd be absolutely thrilled if he could turn it around and just shut his mouth and play football, which is what we pay him to do, but given his past history, it's questionable.

Not only that, but how beneficial to the team is a player who seems to be injured every post season? We've been relying on him to be there and he has been stuck on the sidelines.

bubba g
07-06-2008, 09:36 PM
I think a big part of why Shockey is mad, is because he isn't getting the ball thrown his way more often. But at the same time I think the reason he is not getting the ball thrown his way more is because he isn't catching it when it is thrown to him. He had alot of drops thruout the year. Usualy when a player is consistant at catching, then becomes less consistant, it's a concentration problem.

His concentration is probably lacking due to nagging injuries. So it is a bit of a vicious circle at this point.

ShaddyvilleThug
07-06-2008, 09:49 PM
like ima miss michael strahan bulge in those pants

da giants pants style >>>>>>

yall have da biggest bulges in sports

brandon jacobs bulge stand out also

eli manning bulge is like invisible icb

kethnaab
07-07-2008, 09:10 AM
don't hate the greatest TE in the game.

he's not even the greatest TE on his own team anymore

look, Giants with Shockey lost. Giants without Shockey = SB Champs. Considering his mouth and ego and attitude, I don't think those are mutually exclusive events
sometimes "talent" isn't enough

bubba g
07-07-2008, 11:41 AM
he's not even the greatest TE on his own team anymore

look, Giants with Shockey lost. Giants without Shockey = SB Champs. Considering his mouth and ego and attitude, I don't think those are mutually exclusive events
sometimes "talent" isn't enough

I honestly don't know the real answer to this myself. There are good arguments for both sides.

First thing I will say, I think Jeremy changed his attitude this year. He didn't give the media anything, and was a good teamate in that aspect. There were several opportunities in that crazy New York media market, where I was really impressed with the way he handled himself. He took on a role as more of a blocking tight end, and never complained about it.

Some say that the team started doing better because Ahmad Bradshaw, and Steve Smith started getting snaps. Steve Smith is very good. He's one of those guys that is always open, he's great at recognizing weather his QB is in trouble, and coming back to bail him out. Having a guy like him is huge because he moves the chains consistantly. His highschool team won the championship, then his college team USC won a championship, then in his first year in the NFL his team win the Superbowl.

Ahmad Bradshaw is also a great complement to the Giants running game. Jacobs will consitanty pound the ball, and occasionaly breaks a nice run out, but Bradshaw is a home run threat every time he touches the ball, especially after Brandon ponds on the defense for a while, giving the Giants that thunder, and lightening running attack.

Shockey is undoubtedly a better run blocker then Boss, and probably one of the top 3 run blocking TEs in the NFL.

Something else worth mentioning is that in the entire post season Boss only had only 5 catches. 2 in Tampa, then only 1 per game, and no TDs.

On the other side of the coin. http://www.nypost.com/seven/01312008/sports/giants/shock_wave_838837.htm

"January 31, 2008


GLENDALE, Ariz. - To a man, the GiantsNew York Giants say they are not a better team without injured tight end Jeremy ShockeyJeremy Shockey and that they wish he was here joining in this wild Super Bowl ride.

One former Giants player, however, says Shockey was more trouble than he was worth, and those privy to the offensive inner-workings of the team are relieved he's not on the scene.

"I've been there, I've been in that locker room, I know how guys feel, I know how people in that organization feel," Tim Hasselbeck, a Giants backup quarterback in 2005 and 2006, said yesterday on the "Mike and Murray Show" on Sirius Satellite Radio.

"People there are relieved he's not around. There's this big stink about he's on injured reserve. How come he's not on the sideline supporting his team? Let me tell you something, they don't want him there. They're going to say all the right things, 'Oh yeah, we'd love to have him around' and all that stuff because he's their teammate, he's under contract next year and you can't do that. But when they're talking to people and it's not necessarily being reported they don't want him around. He's a distraction."

As a quarterback, Hasselbeck of course was involved in the offensive meetings and was a teammate of Shockey's for two seasons. Shockey on Dec. 16 broke his leg in a loss to the Redskins and since then, the Giants are 4-1 and on a shocking playoff roll with rookie Kevin BossKevin Boss taking his place in the starting lineup. Eli Manning has flourished in the past four games, all without Shockey, leading some to speculate Manning is more relaxed without the pressure of getting the high-strung Shockey the ball.

Count Hasselbeck among those making that claim.

"Eli is playing better without him because he doesn't feel like he has to force the ball to him," Hasselbeck said. "I was in the offensive meetings where they said 'Listen, we need to get the ball to Jeremy early to keep him involved so he doesn't start going crazy.' Any time you have to start forcing the football to somebody to keep them happy it's not good and bad things happen."

No one can deny Shockey's talent or intensity but sometimes, Hasselbeck said, it went way overboard.

"Listen, guys on the team don't not like Jeremy Shockey from the standpoint the guy always came to play. He was always a hard worker, he would play through injuries, he was tough and it meant a lot to him, so in a lot of ways he was a great teammate," Hasselbeck said. "I think the throwing the helmet on the sideline and just the pouting and the screaming and the yelling, I think it just became a distraction for that offense and honestly it wasn't something Eli was able to deal with in a manner to kind of put an end to it. The head coach wasn't, the offensive coordinator wasn't, it was one of those things where Jeremy became bigger than everything else.

"I don't think anyone looked at the situation when Jeremy was healthy and said, 'Hey, if he was not here we'd be doing better.' I think people are a little bit surprised by it but it without a doubt is the case."

Mr_O_2020
07-07-2008, 02:26 PM
My opinion? Just get rid of Shockey.

They can obviously cope without him, hence the Superbowl win against one of the greatest NFL teams ever.

Trade him now, and get a decent return.

kethnaab
07-07-2008, 03:49 PM
First thing I will say, I think Jeremy changed his attitude this year. He didn't give the media anything, and was a good teamate in that aspect. There were several opportunities in that crazy New York media market, where I was really impressed with the way he handled himself. He took on a role as more of a blocking tight end, and never complained about it.

did you listen to him recently though? He has NOT shut his mouth, and he has whined.

He is a damn good blocker though


Some say that the team started doing better because Ahmad Bradshaw, and Steve Smith started getting snaps. Steve Smith is very good. He's one of those guys that is always open, he's great at recognizing weather his QB is in trouble, and coming back to bail him out.

agreed, but how much of it was Eli playing much better? How much of it was because he didn't have Shockey whining about who was getting the ball?


Ahmad Bradshaw is also a great complement to the Giants running game. Jacobs will consitanty pound the ball, and occasionaly breaks a nice run out, but Bradshaw is a home run threat every time he touches the ball, especially after Brandon ponds on the defense for a while, giving the Giants that thunder, and lightening running attack.

yup. it is a solid system. Worked like a charm for several teams throughout the years.


Shockey is undoubtedly a better run blocker then Boss, and probably one of the top 3 run blocking TEs in the NFL.

arguably, but when you combine pass catching ABILITY with run blocking, he's top 3 easily. His problem is that his mouth runs too much and he doesn't run enough (injuries)


Something else worth mentioning is that in the entire post season Boss only had only 5 catches. 2 in Tampa, then only 1 per game, and no TDs.

sure, but how many rookie TEs play a major role in any Super Bowl?



"Eli is playing better without him because he doesn't feel like he has to force the ball to him,"

this was my point. Eli has always had a pissload of pressure on him. The last thing he needs is a dude whining about getting the ball thrown to him when NYG have been a running team for awhile now and Plaxico is the obvious passing threat, NOT Shockey.

remember, it's not how good YOU ARE that determines your worth to your team. It's how good YOU MAKE YOUR TEAMMATES that truly determines your worth to your team.

See - Randy Moss in Oakland
See - TO in SF
See - Jeremy Shockey in NYG

Iraq Attaq
07-07-2008, 06:27 PM
What I don't like is the not hearing any news on Plaxico's contract demands. However, no news is good news. He's still under contract and he's proven that he doesn't need to practice to produce. Even still, it would be nice to lock him up and get him into camp with nothing but winning games on his mind.


Also, I can't wait until we cut Sinorice Moss.

bubba g
07-07-2008, 09:00 PM
What I don't like is the not hearing any news on Plaxico's contract demands. However, no news is good news. He's still under contract and he's proven that he doesn't need to practice to produce. Even still, it would be nice to lock him up and get him into camp with nothing but winning games on his mind.


Also, I can't wait until we cut Sinorice Moss.

Same here.. I keep waiting to hear that Plaxico and Giants agreed to a 5 year deal.. Jacobs too.. I heard a while ago (2 weeks) that he, and the Giants were a couple days away from working out his new contract. I have no idea how much cap room the Giants have, but after they sign all of the rookies, it can't be that much. Some suprise cuts are coming.. McQuarters is I think scheduled to make 4 million this year. If that's the case, he's a gonner. Unless he's willing to restructure his contract.


I think the biggest problem Moss has is that he's too small, and gets jammed up at the line to easily, then can't get downfield. That, and he can' seem to stay healthy. The Giants are stacked at WR so it will be tough to make the roster unless they are going to make some suprise cuts

bubba g
07-07-2008, 10:24 PM
What I don't like is the not hearing any news on Plaxico's contract demands. However, no news is good news. He's still under contract and he's proven that he doesn't need to practice to produce. Even still, it would be nice to lock him up and get him into camp with nothing but winning games on his mind.


Also, I can't wait until we cut Sinorice Moss.

Good news.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07072008/sports/giants/plaxico__ill_be_at_training_camp_118881.htm


BURRESS: ?NO QUESTION? I?LL HAVE NEW DEAL BEFORE CAMP
Posted by Josh Alper on July 7, 2008, 2:48 p.m.
According to Plaxico Burress, the road to a new contract with the Giants looks obstacle-free and should be completed in time for the start of training camp.

Speaking at a book signing for his new tome about the Super Bowl season, Burress said that there was ?no question? in his mind that a new deal would get done before Giant camp begins. ?I?m getting good feedback,? Burress told The New York Post about a new deal. ?I think it?s going to get done. I?m not concerned about it. I don?t want to go anywhere, I?m happy here in New York, I just want to make sure I?m here for a long time.?

He has three years and $10 million left on the deal he signed with the Giants before the 2005 season. Less than a month ago, Burress made similar statements on a Philly radio show but, obviously, no deal has been signed in the interim. He also said that his knee and shoulder were totally healthy and deemed his ankle ?90 percent? recovered from the injuries of last season.

El Gilbro
07-08-2008, 08:19 AM
I think the biggest problem Moss has is that he's too small, and gets jammed up at the line to easily, then can't get downfield. That, and he can' seem to stay healthy. The Giants are stacked at WR so it will be tough to make the roster unless they are going to make some suprise cuts

Moss seems to have a problem with getting hit. Everytime he touches the ball, he appears more concerned with running to the sideline to avoid contact than he does with getting up field. If they used him as a speedy deep threat to get behind the defense, it would be one thing; but, they seem to try to use him in a Wes Welker manner by throwing him short stuff underneath and expecting him to make something out of it.

P.S. - Whenever I watch a replay or highlights of the Super Bowl, I get butterflies in my stomach almost as if I'm not sure that they will complete the final drive. Anybody else have this problem?

bubba g
07-08-2008, 11:06 AM
Moss seems to have a problem with getting hit. Everytime he touches the ball, he appears more concerned with running to the sideline to avoid contact than he does with getting up field. If they used him as a speedy deep threat to get behind the defense, it would be one thing; but, they seem to try to use him in a Wes Welker manner by throwing him short stuff underneath and expecting him to make something out of it.

P.S. - Whenever I watch a replay or highlights of the Super Bowl, I get butterflies in my stomach almost as if I'm not sure that they will complete the final drive. Anybody else have this problem?

They drafted Moss to be a deep threat. He has great athletic ability, but it just doesn't transfer over to the field. He is also great on the practice field.

He's got a 4.38 40, a 10'3 inch broad jump, and a 42 inch vertical.

The fact that he's a beast on the practice field, but not on Sunday must have to do with contact, one way or another. Either he is too afraid of contact, and can't concentrate, or he gets jammed at the line to easily.


Same here, I am at the edge of my seat when I watch the final drive no matter how many times I have seen it. It's definatly one of the best, if not the best scoring drives in Super Bowl history.

bubba g
07-08-2008, 12:04 PM
Plaxico Burress on Sirius.. about 20 minute interview.

sirri http://www.giants.com/player/ivideo-08.asp?file_300=http%3A%2F%2Fmfile%2Eakamai%2Ecom% 2F50513%2Fwmv%2Fgiantsnfl%2Edownload%2Eakamai%2Eco m%2F50515%2FLocker%5FRoom%2F08%5F0708%5F17%2Easx

El Gilbro
07-08-2008, 01:27 PM
They drafted Moss to be a deep threat. He has great athletic ability, but it just doesn't transfer over to the field. He is also great on the practice field.

He's got a 4.38 40, a 10'3 inch broad jump, and a 42 inch vertical.

The fact that he's a beast on the practice field, but not on Sunday must have to do with contact, one way or another. Either he is too afraid of contact, and can't concentrate, or he gets jammed at the line to easily.


Tim Carter was also a practice legend. Some guys just don't translate over on game day for whatever reason.

bubba g
07-08-2008, 06:42 PM
Tim Carter was also a practice legend. Some guys just don't translate over on game day for whatever reason.


Tim Carter has stone hands, and a glass body.... He's always dropped that important catch...

NYG
07-08-2008, 07:25 PM
I was watching espn today and they had a poll for the game of the year in any sport and superbowl 42 won with nearly 50% of the votes. when I saw the highlights I remembered how ecstatic I was when me and my dad were watching and when Buress caught that td to take the lead to pretty much end it. I jumped up and fuked up my wrist hitting the ceiling I was so amped. :D just thought I'd drop by and share.

kethnaab
07-08-2008, 09:19 PM
He's got a 4.38 40, a 10'3 inch broad jump, and a 42 inch vertical.


and a 9" dick that won't get hard

I'm not a big Eli fan, but yes, that drive was awesome, and Eli's ability to get away from the grasp of, what, the entire NE Patriot D-line, was about as outstanding as it gets

The catch itself is light years behind the catches that Lynn Swann has made in the Super Bowls' past though.

Credit to Tyree, it was a pretty cool catch, but some of the crap Swannie came up with was just...ridiculous.

NewYorkGiants
07-08-2008, 09:54 PM
Isn't it funny how a guy can get a 6 yr 25 mil deal and everyone screams "omg! hugest overpay in nfl history! what morons!" Then 3 years later he is way underpaid and demands a new contract. Damn Raiders & Javon Walker messing up the market.

bubba g
07-08-2008, 11:34 PM
and a 9" dick that won't get hard

I'm not a big Eli fan, but yes, that drive was awesome, and Eli's ability to get away from the grasp of, what, the entire NE Patriot D-line, was about as outstanding as it gets

The catch itself is light years behind the catches that Lynn Swann has made in the Super Bowls' past though.

Credit to Tyree, it was a pretty cool catch, but some of the crap Swannie came up with was just...ridiculous.


lol at the Moss comment...

This is the catch Swann made in the Super Bowl that was reguarded as the "Most spectacular catch in Superbowl History"
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Great catch, and Swann what Swann did was a thing of beauty. Probably the most acrobatic WR ever.

The best play in Super Bowl history belongs to the New York Giants. Tyrees catch itself was basicly a textbook example of how to catch a football He jumped, and caught the ball at the highest point in his leap. The amazing part was Rodney Harrison smacked the ball as he was in the progress of catching it

bubba g
07-09-2008, 11:31 AM
Plaxico interview on WNYC

http://www.wnyc.org/shows/lopate/episodes/2008/07/09

bubba g
07-10-2008, 10:13 PM
Giants signed Shane Olivea.

He was one of the better tackles in the leage (6th highest paid in 2006) with the Chargers but was suspended for violating substance abuse policy. He was cut by the Chargers, then appealed his suspension, and won.

He has now agreed to sign with the Giants. I am sure Reese picked him up for alot less then he is worth. Great move.

http://mvn.com/nfl-giants/2008/07/10/giants-sign-ot-shane-olivea/

"Quick update: The Giants agreed to a one year deal with former San Diego Chargers Offensive Tackle Shane Olivea today. Olivea (6′4 312lbs) is a solid and versatile offensive lineman who will provide great depth up front for the Giants this season. He fell out of favor with San Diego’s managent after starting 31 of 32 career games for the Chargers after being drafted in 2004.

Another great move by Jerry Reese. Bringing in a talented and versatile backup for the offensive line at this time of the year is a smart decision. The deal is extremely low risk for the Giants, and we should expect Olivea to be the primary backup at right tackle next season."

Iraq Attaq
07-10-2008, 10:22 PM
Giants signed Shane Olivea.

He was one of the better tackles in the leage (6th highest paid in 2006) with the Chargers but was suspended for violating substance abuse policy. He was cut by the Chargers, then appealed his suspension, and won.

He has now agreed to sign with the Giants. I am sure Reese picked him up for alot less then he is worth. Great move.

http://mvn.com/nfl-giants/2008/07/10/giants-sign-ot-shane-olivea/

"Quick update: The Giants agreed to a one year deal with former San Diego Chargers Offensive Tackle Shane Olivea today. Olivea (6′4 312lbs) is a solid and versatile offensive lineman who will provide great depth up front for the Giants this season. He fell out of favor with San Diego?s managent after starting 31 of 32 career games for the Chargers after being drafted in 2004.

Another great move by Jerry Reese. Bringing in a talented and versatile backup for the offensive line at this time of the year is a smart decision. The deal is extremely low risk for the Giants, and we should expect Olivea to be the primary backup at right tackle next season."

Good stuff. Because behind McKenzie, we got no one. It's bad enough that Deihl's backup is Guy Whimper. lol

bubba g
07-10-2008, 10:53 PM
Good stuff. Because behind McKenzie, we got no one. It's bad enough that Deihl's backup is Guy Whimper. lol

No doubt about backup behind McKinzie. I was really worried last year when his ankle was hurt late in the season. Rugamer would have probably had to fill in.


I heard somewhere that Whimper is actualy showing huge improvement , and could posibly challenging Deihl for the LT position. That would be sweet because as good as Diehl did playing the LT he is an even better guard guard. I don't know if youve seen recent pics of him, but he has gotten massive this off season. I swear it looks like he added 20 lbs of muscle..

Here is the video of the unveiling of the Giants bike Orange County Choppers made.. Look at him next to Paul Tuttle (the father on OCC) He even makes Strahan look tiny...

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Iraq Attaq
07-12-2008, 05:23 AM
Damn, Deihl is friggin massive! I'm really happy that we have this line locked up until 2012.

bubba g
07-14-2008, 02:16 AM
http://www.nfldraftblitz.com/giantscolumn.htm

kethnaab
07-14-2008, 11:08 AM
Giants signed Shane Olivea.

He was one of the better tackles in the leage (6th highest paid in 2006) with the Chargers but was suspended for violating substance abuse policy. He was cut by the Chargers, then appealed his suspension, and won.

He has now agreed to sign with the Giants. I am sure Reese picked him up for alot less then he is worth. Great move.

http://mvn.com/nfl-giants/2008/07/10/giants-sign-ot-shane-olivea/

"Quick update: The Giants agreed to a one year deal with former San Diego Chargers Offensive Tackle Shane Olivea today. Olivea (6′4 312lbs) is a solid and versatile offensive lineman who will provide great depth up front for the Giants this season. He fell out of favor with San Diego?s managent after starting 31 of 32 career games for the Chargers after being drafted in 2004.

Another great move by Jerry Reese. Bringing in a talented and versatile backup for the offensive line at this time of the year is a smart decision. The deal is extremely low risk for the Giants, and we should expect Olivea to be the primary backup at right tackle next season."

that could turn out to be a huge acquisition. the dude is a top notch mean grunt.

damn. good pickup.