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jkang
07-15-2007, 06:43 PM
Hey guys, just started on the velocity diet today but seems like I have run into a little problem. I calculated my caloric intake for my bodyweight during the diet and its 1400 C on low days and 1700 on high days. I weigh 185 and decided to take 9 shakes a day of ON whey with 18 Fish oil capsules. It puts me at around 1242 C a day..........any suggestions on how I could fill in the rest of the calories from natural fat sources????


PS: Near impossible to buy supplements over here.

ChristianBBer
07-15-2007, 06:50 PM
Please don't do this diet.

jkang
07-15-2007, 06:55 PM
Please don't do this diet.

I have an upcoming movie role over here....in any other circumstances I would not considering how it messes with your metabolism due to low caloric intake and also no thermic effect during digestion but I have about two weeks left and would like to lean out as much as possible.

jhf
07-15-2007, 07:22 PM
yer missing the flax seed, cut down a bit on the fish oil and add in milled flax seed to the shakes, the added fiber is nice as well.

jkang
07-15-2007, 07:27 PM
yer missing the flax seed, cut down a bit on the fish oil and add in milled flax seed to the shakes, the added fiber is nice as well.

I was on a two day quest over here in korea looking for milled flaxseeds lol, checked everywhere. I even went as far as to try to get into the U.S. Military Px but was denied ;(. Im thinking about using olive oil lol

jhf
07-15-2007, 07:46 PM
you can try natural peanut butter to. I don't remember the exact numbers but it was fairly close to using flax. Had like a lil more fat, little less fiber, etc....

jkang
07-15-2007, 07:55 PM
you can try natural peanut butter to. I don't remember the exact numbers but it was fairly close to using flax. Had like a lil more fat, little less fiber, etc....

Hey thats a pretty good idea, kinda sucks tho because I'm going to have to probably dish out 20 bucks for a small container due to the lack of organic shops around here. I'm in Seoul as well.....not some small third world country. Sigh.......U.S. really does have it all.

smn1234
07-15-2007, 08:56 PM
how does this diet work. i read about it and dont get it

jkang
07-15-2007, 09:03 PM
how does this diet work. i read about it and dont get it

Hmmm lets seee.....basically you live off of protein shakes and essential fatty acids such as fish oil, flaxseeds etc etc. Your also in a drastic caloric deficit but all the EFA's in your system keep the fat burning by not alarming your body to go into "I'm in a famine mode". I read up on it and seems pretty good if you follow it correctly. check it out at t-nation.com

ctjacket
07-15-2007, 10:01 PM
Use natty pb.

Worked fine for me.

Or take some more protein.

smn1234
07-15-2007, 10:20 PM
sounds like somethin to consider.
How fast could I lose 5 pounds on it?

jkang
07-15-2007, 10:45 PM
sounds like somethin to consider.
How fast could I lose 5 pounds on it?

well if you want to lose 5 lbs of water weight, probably in a week lol

smn1234
07-15-2007, 10:50 PM
no.. something I could keep off.... we're talkin FAT

jkang
07-15-2007, 11:24 PM
no.. something I could keep off.... we're talkin FAT

well....ppl usually lose around 10-14 lbs of pure fat in 28 days...sooo yah

EazyE15
07-16-2007, 01:04 AM
Please don't do this diet.

Very informative.

Ricky_k
07-16-2007, 01:46 AM
Please don't do this diet.
Lol, OP: prob will end up being/feeling weak as piss tho. That wud suck if you care bout ur lifts

fkn_give_me_abs
07-16-2007, 05:15 AM
try looking for linseed instead of flaxseed. I spent a couple days relentlessly searching for flaxseed as well over here in Aus and couldn't find shiz. Then someone here mentioned it's called linseed in some places aha. Found it straight away :S

plAythiNG
07-16-2007, 05:47 AM
i dun like that diet, how u gottta make ur body survivve on tablets, and shakes, wat happens, wen u go back 2 regular food.

EazyE15
07-16-2007, 05:48 AM
i dun like that diet, how u gottta make ur body survivve on tablets, and shakes, wat happens, wen u go back 2 regular food.

Nothing if you do it properly.

Dominikm
07-16-2007, 06:01 AM
Please don't do this diet.

All you do is say that in v diet posts, if you have nothing else to add please stay out of them.

Dominikm
07-16-2007, 06:02 AM
you can try natural peanut butter to. I don't remember the exact numbers but it was fairly close to using flax. Had like a lil more fat, little less fiber, etc....

In one shake at the end of the day for a change it would be ok. But not to replace it all. Use flax oil if you can or a similar product to flaxseeds.

Dominikm
07-16-2007, 06:03 AM
well....ppl usually lose around 10-14 lbs of pure fat in 28 days...sooo yah

12.1lbs in 14 day for me so far :)

Dominikm
07-16-2007, 06:04 AM
Lol, OP: prob will end up being/feeling weak as piss tho. That wud suck if you care bout ur lifts

Nope, as my surge pumps me up so much for my workouts. I have added 10kg to my bench, changed my leg press from 130kg x 10 + 110kg x 10 to 2 sets of 140kg x 10. Lots of others have also gone up.

Dominikm
07-16-2007, 06:06 AM
try looking for linseed instead of flaxseed. I spent a couple days relentlessly searching for flaxseed as well over here in Aus and couldn't find shiz. Then someone here mentioned it's called linseed in some places aha. Found it straight away :S

Yea this confused me alos, you see flax seed oil but if it's not oil they call it linseed meal for some reason.

Dominikm
07-16-2007, 06:07 AM
i dun like that diet, how u gottta make ur body survivve on tablets, and shakes, wat happens, wen u go back 2 regular food.

easy15 is right. You phase back into normal food, then stick to a cutting diet again and you continue to loose without any problem.

jkang
07-16-2007, 06:10 AM
12.1lbs in 14 day for me so far :)

wow congratulations....must be very motivating ;)))

drgnmedic
07-16-2007, 06:44 AM
Dom,

You tracking your bodyfat with calipers or anything? I am wondering how much of your 12 lbs if fat vs muscle?

Sounds interesting...but maybe too good to be true?

rj1992
07-16-2007, 07:28 AM
Hey guys, just started on the velocity diet today but seems like I have run into a little problem. I calculated my caloric intake for my bodyweight during the diet and its 1400 C on low days and 1700 on high days. I weigh 185 and decided to take 9 shakes a day of ON whey with 18 Fish oil capsules. It puts me at around 1242 C a day..........any suggestions on how I could fill in the rest of the calories from natural fat sources????


PS: Near impossible to buy supplements over here.

Glad to see another v-dieter. The more of us doing it and writing about our results, the better. Hopefully we can educate others as to the effectiveness of the diet and show folks it's not as unhealthy as it sounds. Good luck and keep us posted on your results.

**subbed and repped

Ron

jhf
07-16-2007, 07:36 AM
This seems to be getting some good attention:) There are also about 3-4 threads in the losing fat logs subsection of this forum that are home to about half a dozen of us tracking our results. It's a great source of information as to how to do the diet and what to expect once you are on it.

This diet was created by a body builder but I think the benifits for fatties like me are even greater. Not because of the rapid weight loss but because it's simple to follow which means that a) it's 28 days to get rid of the habit of eating absolutely crap food and b) it's 28 days to discover how to change your life style patterns so when it is over you are on the right track without feeling lost and confused.

anyways just my two sense and after having done it for a week after the first 3-4 days I've never felt better in my life.

Dominikm
07-16-2007, 07:46 AM
Dom,

You tracking your bodyfat with calipers or anything? I am wondering how much of your 12 lbs if fat vs muscle?

Sounds interesting...but maybe too good to be true?

All lifts have gone up. You can't do that on muscle loss my friend. I didn't get a change to take bodyfat before I started as I don't have calipers, I have a disposable camera. So no picture untill the end.. grrr... meh all good :) all muscle seem harder and the fat loss is really showing on me. Put it this way. How can I have added so much weight onto me lifts with muscle loss, if I lost I would not be able to even lift what I coudl have lifted on session #1. Also, I am taking a fat burner by gen-tec that is specialised to help you build muscle, so on the v diet it will be helping me retain all that muscle I have and helping me build it also :)

jkang - for sure, it's so awsome it's not funny, lol :)


Glad to see another v-dieter. The more of us doing it and writing about our results, the better. Hopefully we can educate others as to the effectiveness of the diet and show folks it's not as unhealthy as it sounds. Good luck and keep us posted on your results.

**subbed and repped

Ron

Yep, thts the plan. So ppl don't come on here that are uneducated and start a flame war as to why the diet is **** and it wont work.



This diet was created by a body builder but I think the benifits for fatties like me are even greater.

It was, he wanted to see how ripped he could get. He lost about 15lbs or so and was more ripped than he had ever been in life after 20 years in the health industry or so... He said he is working on a formula for women and really over weight people also. I'm not sure if they have been released at this stage, not like I fall into those two categories anyhow but for women and people who are just starting at say 300lbs to get a kick start with the bonus of good eating habits i'm sure this will help alot...

jon4127
07-16-2007, 07:56 AM
I was the first one to mention velocity diet on the losing fat forum as far as I can tell. I ran a complete velocity diet from march 25 to april 20. the main problem with the diet is people keep messing with it. If people would stop trying to ?fix it? the diet works.

I also gained on all my major weights, no muscle loss here.

My log
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=1980151

March 25 (start): 200
April 20 (end of velocity diet): 183
July 15 (current): 184

start (march 25 - end April 20)
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d52/jon4127/VELOCITYjon.jpg

Now (July 14)
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d52/jon4127/june16.jpg

ChristianBBer
07-16-2007, 12:29 PM
All you do is say that in v diet posts, if you have nothing else to add please stay out of them.

That's because I know what I am talking about.

Im ACE certified AND I have a minor in Exercise Physiology.

Why don't you just diet normally? What will this temp diet do for you? Loose a lot of water weight ? Imagine if you dieted regularly, instead of using the V diet, you'd earn more discipline over that period of time instead of tempting with this diet.

I didn't realize the OP was doing this for a movie, I can understand someone wanting to loose fat quickly for a job. However, this diet is another FADE, which is grabbing alot of peoples attention because you do loose weight rather quickly but don't realize the long term implications.

Your going to Starve yourself? No Carbs ? Pure Protein ? Do you know what your body uses for energy when you lift weights? Do you know how many carbs your muscles use? Your liver? Do you know what happens when your body does not have carbs? Or an adequate amount of calories?

Go on a regular diet, the benefits far outweigh those on a V diet. You'll have more energy, you'll learn discipline, you dont have to starve yourself, you'll have energy in the gym, your metabolism will still be upto par.

But hey what do I know, I never workout.


http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s239/christianbber2/compareV.jpg

cydonia
07-16-2007, 01:01 PM
umm velocity diet actually requires you take surge or other variants on workout days. Also the diet is low carb but doesn't mean you get 0 carbs, you still get around 70-80g of carb a day from fiber supplements and flax seeds.

ArchDukeOfTops
07-16-2007, 02:01 PM
Would someone please explain to me how this diet doesn't make you catabolic?

I'm not saying it doens't work, but with the limited knowledge I have (5+ years of lifting/dieting, 2 years as a competitive powerlifter) I don't see how you can not loose muscle on this diet. . . I would love to be convinced otherwise.

Also, the guys saying you gained on your lifts, how much are you lifting and how long have you been training? I can't help but think someone who's been lifting for a while with above average strength couldn't loose strength on this diet.

Like I said, I'm open to someone changing my mind, but this diet defies the logic of any heathly dieting strategy I've ever studied or tried.

jkang
07-16-2007, 06:21 PM
[QUOTE=ChristianBBer;60518801]That's because I know what I am talking about.

Im ACE certified AND I have a minor in Exercise Physiology.

Why don't you just diet normally? What will this temp diet do for you? Loose a lot of water weight ? Imagine if you dieted regularly, instead of using the V diet, you'd earn more discipline over that period of time instead of tempting with this diet.

I didn't realize the OP was doing this for a movie, I can understand someone wanting to loose fat quickly for a job. However, this diet is another FADE, which is grabbing alot of peoples attention because you do loose weight rather quickly but don't realize the long term implications.

Your going to Starve yourself? No Carbs ? Pure Protein ? Do you know what your body uses for energy when you lift weights? Do you know how many carbs your muscles use? Your liver? Do you know what happens when your body does not have carbs? Or an adequate amount of calories?

Go on a regular diet, the benefits far outweigh those on a V diet. You'll have more energy, you'll learn discipline, you dont have to starve yourself, you'll have energy in the gym, your metabolism will still be upto par.

But hey what do I know, I never workout.



I completely agree with you on how solid foods will beat liquids any day. Nothing can beat the thermic effect of solid foods such as a chicken breast. Also the velocity diet can seriously ruin your metabolism considering the calorie deficit.

This is where I disagree with you on the velocity diet. The velocity diet you say is a fade which is true but lets keep some things in mind.

1. Calorie deficit is brutal but thats why its only for 28 days "MAX". Followed correctly, you can eventually work you way back up to a regular caloric maintenance to what works with your weight at the end of your diet.

2. This diet is not for people who are undisciplined......it's for people who have already attained a certain degree of discipline.

3. Your liver will definetly be getting strained but thats why you also drink as much water as possible.

4. Most importantly, this diet helps change your eating behavior. I believe that this in itself is the most important thing people should strive for. Personally, I'm not doing this to change my eating behavior....but it sure could have helped several years back.

Now Chris Shugart recommends using all liquids......could this diet IN FACT be done with solid food....yes.

Also.....just wanted to let ya know...your probably thinking "WTF is this guy talking about.....hes never even done the diet". I can say I did something very similar to this diet. Freshman year of highschool I wrestled at the 215 lb weightclass. I weighed around 202 so I was going against bigger stronger guys so I decided to drop down to 189. I injured my leg during winter break and had about a month. I decided I would drop the weight drinking shakes and eating vegetables for fiber. By the end of the month....I gained strength in all of my lifts and I weighed in at 188. I have some old pics that I can scan when I get back home if you want to see the results.

new2lifting
07-16-2007, 07:40 PM
That's because I know what I am talking about.

Im ACE certified AND I have a minor in Exercise Physiology.

Why don't you just diet normally? What will this temp diet do for you? Loose a lot of water weight ? Imagine if you dieted regularly, instead of using the V diet, you'd earn more discipline over that period of time instead of tempting with this diet.

I didn't realize the OP was doing this for a movie, I can understand someone wanting to loose fat quickly for a job. However, this diet is another FADE, which is grabbing alot of peoples attention because you do loose weight rather quickly but don't realize the long term implications.

Your going to Starve yourself? No Carbs ? Pure Protein ? Do you know what your body uses for energy when you lift weights? Do you know how many carbs your muscles use? Your liver? Do you know what happens when your body does not have carbs? Or an adequate amount of calories?

Go on a regular diet, the benefits far outweigh those on a V diet. You'll have more energy, you'll learn discipline, you dont have to starve yourself, you'll have energy in the gym, your metabolism will still be upto par.

But hey what do I know, I never workout.


http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s239/christianbber2/compareV.jpg

I have to agree with ChristianBBR

I think he pretty much summed up my thoughts in his post

but to each their own, what works for me might not work for the next guy

danny83
07-16-2007, 10:51 PM
well....ppl usually lose around 10-14 lbs of pure fat in 28 days...sooo yah

14 lbs fat = 49,000 calories

Thats a 1,750 calorie deficit DAILY for 28 days.

Oh, I almost forgot, this is also assuming that 100% of your caloric expenditure energy is coming from fat.

So lets say you create a 1,000 calorie deficit daily for 28 days which is still pretty extreme. That's 28,000 calories in 28 days = 8 lbs of pure fat. Still, assuming that 100% of your caloric expenditure is from fat....

I'll give this diet the benefit of the doubt and say that 75% of your loss will be from fat which leads me to the rough guess that if you lose 4-5 lbs of 'pure fat' in 28 days. you've done pretty well. The rest of your weight loss will be from muscle and water.

jkang
07-16-2007, 11:02 PM
14 lbs fat = 49,000 calories

Thats a 1,750 calorie deficit DAILY for 28 days.

Oh, I almost forgot, this is also assuming that 100% of your caloric expenditure energy is coming from fat.

So lets say you create a 1,000 calorie deficit daily for 28 days which is still pretty extreme. That's 28,000 calories in 28 days = 8 lbs of pure fat. Still, assuming that 100% of your caloric expenditure is from fat....

I'll give this diet the benefit of the doubt and say that 75% of your loss will be from fat which leads me to the rough guess that if you lose 4-5 lbs of 'pure fat' in 28 days. you've done pretty well. The rest of your weight loss will be from muscle and water.

I hope that 75% will be fat......water loss is not a problem and muscle loss is not a huge biggie either. I can put on muscle very easily...lots of muscle memory and good genetics heh

EazyE15
07-17-2007, 01:15 AM
YOu dont lose muscle. Just fat and water. End of.

bond21
07-17-2007, 01:46 AM
That's because I know what I am talking about.

Im ACE certified AND I have a minor in Exercise Physiology.

Why don't you just diet normally? What will this temp diet do for you? Loose a lot of water weight ? Imagine if you dieted regularly, instead of using the V diet, you'd earn more discipline over that period of time instead of tempting with this diet.

I didn't realize the OP was doing this for a movie, I can understand someone wanting to loose fat quickly for a job. However, this diet is another FADE, which is grabbing alot of peoples attention because you do loose weight rather quickly but don't realize the long term implications.

Your going to Starve yourself? No Carbs ? Pure Protein ? Do you know what your body uses for energy when you lift weights? Do you know how many carbs your muscles use? Your liver? Do you know what happens when your body does not have carbs? Or an adequate amount of calories?

Go on a regular diet, the benefits far outweigh those on a V diet. You'll have more energy, you'll learn discipline, you dont have to starve yourself, you'll have energy in the gym, your metabolism will still be upto par.

But hey what do I know, I never workout.


http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s239/christianbber2/compareV.jpg


Hey 1 question, is the pic on the right you before you got ripped or are you comparing yourself to a larger person to prove you know what ur talking about?

just wondering.

Dominikm
07-17-2007, 04:21 AM
Hey 1 question, is the pic on the right you before you got ripped or are you comparing yourself to a larger person to prove you know what ur talking about?

just wondering.

Yea he is a moron for comparing the two photos, he has not factored in that I have lost over 75lbs in a normal fashion. I did the velocity diet for a number of reason, I have not had any issue with loss of muscle, all my lifts have gone up also. Plus the fact that he whould have been lifting for alot longer than me, that picture was prior to velocity diet so that kinda screws you up also mate.

Your certified, whoop teee ****ing doo... Anyone can get that and take a minor in a degree. You might have knowledge but the diet has proven to work, for a hell of alot of people. Go over to t-nation and you will find over a hundred if not hundreds of v dieters who have completed the diet with excellent results.

My surge gives me alot of carbs for my workouts, the pump is very good.

Also, your body does not need carbs to live off. We have just started eating carbs recently in the time line of human kind and prior to that the were minimal carbs in the forms of fruits and a few other things. It's predicted that it will take over 10,000 of gene development for out body to get used to them regardless if we can eat them now or not.

I can do a regular diet but I chose to do this diet for the weight loss factor and alot of other reasons, so stop bashing me and everyone trying something different mr. ****ing conventional...

jkang
07-17-2007, 04:30 AM
Yea he is a moron for comparing the two photos, he has not factored in that I have lost over 75lbs in a normal fashion. I did the velocity diet for a number of reason, I have not had any issue with loss of muscle, all my lifts have gone up also. Plus the fact that he whould have been lifting for alot longer than me, that picture was prior to velocity diet so that kinda screws you up also mate.

Your certified, whoop teee ****ing doo... Anyone can get that and take a minor in a degree. You might have knowledge but the diet has proven to work, for a hell of alot of people. Go over to t-nation and you will find over a hundred if not hundreds of v dieters who have completed the diet with excellent results.

My surge gives me alot of carbs for my workouts, the pump is very good.

Also, your body does not need carbs to live off. We have just started eating carbs recently in the time line of human kind and prior to that the were minimal carbs in the forms of fruits and a few other things. It's predicted that it will take over 10,000 of gene development for out body to get used to them regardless if we can eat them now or not.

I can do a regular diet but I chose to do this diet for the weight loss factor and alot of other reasons, so stop bashing me and everyone trying something different mr. ****ing conventional...


yeah......that was somewhat cruel.......

Dominikm
07-17-2007, 04:34 AM
Yep, but people are doing the diet and people are on here and want to do the diet. All that guy does is bash the diet, when it works as long as you follow it correctly. I don't doubt there is a factor of possible muscle loss but I have not lost muscle as I have seen my lifts go up and regardless of what people say the reality is that if I have lost muscle I would not be able to maintain the lifts I currently did and they would have to drop.

I would class myself if the stage where I can still get newbie gains from lifting, maybe that is countering anything muscle loss that would have happened, but for me myself I know I have not lost muscle. I know what my LBM was from quite a while ago and I will use that and compare my LBM after the diet is done.

jkang
07-17-2007, 04:43 AM
Yep, but people are doing the diet and people are on here and want to do the diet. All that guy does is bash the diet, when it works as long as you follow it correctly. I don't doubt there is a factor of possible muscle loss but I have not lost muscle as I have seen my lifts go up and regardless of what people say the reality is that if I have lost muscle I would not be able to maintain the lifts I currently did and they would have to drop.

I would class myself if the stage where I can still get newbie gains from lifting, maybe that is countering anything muscle loss that would have happened, but for me myself I know I have not lost muscle. I know what my LBM was from quite a while ago and I will use that and compare my LBM after the diet is done.

Yeah idk why people are trying to bash each other. I mean we were all in the same boat before. I went up to 260 one year from 215 trying to gain weight using a horrible bulking strategy (lots of fast food plus 10 churros and 2 apple turnovers in a day). I gained all that weight in two months to become heavyweight wrestler the year after but ended up not wrestling at all due to high blood pressure. All my friends said I had a bodytype where I could never attain abs (always had a flat stomache). In 2 years not only did I lose all the weight and prove my friends wrong at a solid 215 but the following year I got shredded enough to have rips on my ass lol. So dont give up and keep trucking. I think its a good thing that we try all sorts of different techniques just for the sake of trying it.

Dominikm
07-17-2007, 04:50 AM
Yeah idk why people are trying to bash each other. I mean we were all in the same boat before. I went up to 260 one year from 215 trying to gain weight using a horrible bulking strategy (lots of fast food plus 10 churros and 2 apple turnovers in a day). I gained all that weight in two months to become heavyweight wrestler the year after but ended up not wrestling at all due to high blood pressure. All my friends said I had a bodytype where I could never attain abs (always had a flat stomache). In 2 years not only did I lose all the weight and prove my friends wrong at a solid 215 but the following year I got shredded enough to have rips on my ass lol. So dont give up and keep trucking. I think its a good thing that we try all sorts of different techniques just for the sake of trying it.

Good stuff man, it's true. If something new or something thats been around for a bit but is not that know is made known, people will bash it with there opinion and stick to it. Good stuff on your results.

I hope this ends soon, ppl will do the velocity diet and get results. But people will bash it, then other people smoke rock all day and eat once a week or a few times a week or people do other crazy health related things, lol, like just simple smoking... But the diet will still get bashed when people are trying to loose weight...

rj1992
07-17-2007, 07:04 AM
Good stuff man, it's true. If something new or something thats been around for a bit but is not that know is made known, people will bash it with there opinion and stick to it.

If you think about it, can you really blame them? I mean, on it's face, it really is nuts to subsist on protien shakes and fish oil caps for a month. A year ago, if someone told you that you were going to live for a month on liquid protien and fat, would you believe them? You really have to read and educate yourself on the diet before you understand the mechanics and physiology behind it before it starts to not sound so crazy. At least that's what it took for me. I went from cleaning up my diet, to lower carb, to Keto, to velocity, educating myself along the way. I could have never jumped straight into the v-diet without that progression. Your mileage may very.

Ron

ChristianBBer
07-17-2007, 02:35 PM
Good stuff man, it's true. If something new or something thats been around for a bit but is not that know is made known, people will bash it with there opinion and stick to it. Good stuff on your results.

I hope this ends soon, ppl will do the velocity diet and get results. But people will bash it, then other people smoke rock all day and eat once a week or a few times a week or people do other crazy health related things, lol, like just simple smoking... But the diet will still get bashed when people are trying to loose weight...

Your not going to be on this forum for a long time. Hell, use what I said for motivation and try to prove me wrong. I'm not out to get you, Im out to set you str8

I have been lurking these forums for 4-5 years now, upon recently in 06 I got an account to start talking sense into people.

You'll do this diet, you'll loose some weight and he'll you might even keep it off for some time, but you will return to your old ways.

I see posters like you all of the time, all of a sudden your in the fat loss section posting in every single thread, giving you 0.02, your on here 24/7. Trying these new diets, then a few months later your gone , no where to be found. Crashed off your diet and resumed your normal pre-fat loss body weight. Because you simply couldn't diet the normal way.

Congrats on the 75lbs, thats a lot of weight, but how many people fell victim to the yo-yo diet ?? Thing your invincible to that? Will this V-diet help you in the long term ??

Your right, any fat **** can get a degree in Exercise Physiology and become a certified personal trainer, but I put what I learned into practice.
My clients pay me $65 an hour for my advice, they all loose weight, they are all happy with their progress.


I've lost all the weight and I am preparing for a competition this October, I know what I am talking about.

Their is an expression a lot of people use,

When you take advice from someone, do you think they followed that advice? Look at their body, do they know what their talking about? Are they your goal ?

For the people who have had success on the V-diet, post 4-5months from now, they are the very few, abnormal metabolism/body functions.

The majority of people will not benefit from the V-diet.

-Aaron-
07-17-2007, 04:10 PM
Your not going to be on this forum for a long time. Hell, use what I said for motivation and try to prove me wrong. I'm not out to get you, Im out to set you str8

I have been lurking these forums for 4-5 years now, upon recently in 06 I got an account to start talking sense into people.

You'll do this diet, you'll loose some weight and he'll you might even keep it off for some time, but you will return to your old ways.

I see posters like you all of the time, all of a sudden your in the fat loss section posting in every single thread, giving you 0.02, your on here 24/7. Trying these new diets, then a few months later your gone , no where to be found. Crashed off your diet and resumed your normal pre-fat loss body weight. Because you simply couldn't diet the normal way.

Congrats on the 75lbs, thats a lot of weight, but how many people fell victim to the yo-yo diet ?? Thing your invincible to that? Will this V-diet help you in the long term ??

Your right, any fat **** can get a degree in Exercise Physiology and become a certified personal trainer, but I put what I learned into practice.
My clients pay me $65 an hour for my advice, they all loose weight, they are all happy with their progress.


I've lost all the weight and I am preparing for a competition this October, I know what I am talking about.

Their is an expression a lot of people use,

When you take advice from someone, do you think they followed that advice? Look at their body, do they know what their talking about? Are they your goal ?

For the people who have had success on the V-diet, post 4-5months from now, they are the very few, abnormal metabolism/body functions.

The majority of people will not benefit from the V-diet.

All I'll say is, you're very arrogant. Every post I see you in is either bashing someone, saying their ways are wrong, or promoting your own achievements.

With that said, are you saying the (Protein Modified Fast) never works? Talk to Arnold about that one. This diet was a way for body builders to cut and maintain their muscles before competitions. Do some research.

Before you bring up my post count, because the last couple times you've done just that, what does that have to do with the problem at hand... This is a rhetorical question, fyi.

Bobisnew
07-17-2007, 04:37 PM
i'm srry but its really hard to belive that u gained on all your major lifts, it should of mest up your met. really badly,

Where were your lifts and what are they now?
Also, how did u come off the diet? I'm assuming very slowly replacing a liquid meal every few days with solid.

bleeder
07-17-2007, 05:23 PM
i'm srry but its really hard to belive that u gained on all your major lifts, it should of mest up your met. really badly,

Where were your lifts and what are they now?
Also, how did u come off the diet? I'm assuming very slowly replacing a liquid meal every few days with solid.

Its not hard to believe at all.

Many people report strength increases during calorie deficits, especially when adequate protein and supplementation are provided.

jkang
07-17-2007, 07:33 PM
Lol I am quite amazed at how big this thread has gotten over my simple request on suggestions on how to fill my caloric intake.

bking10
07-17-2007, 08:29 PM
im surprised at all the hate this thread received, its crazy

Dominikm
07-17-2007, 09:27 PM
Its not hard to believe at all.

Many people report strength increases during calorie deficits, especially when adequate protein and supplementation are provided.

The fact is proably that I have never got such an intense amount of ptotien powder into me before so that a reson my lifts are going up so much, alot more that what just newbies should get you.

Dominikm
07-17-2007, 09:29 PM
i'm srry but its really hard to belive that u gained on all your major lifts, it should of mest up your met. really badly,

Where were your lifts and what are they now?
Also, how did u come off the diet? I'm assuming very slowly replacing a liquid meal every few days with solid.

I have not finised it yet, look in my bodt blog, you will find my phase off plan on the 1st page of blogs.

All my liting stats are in my blogs also, here is an example. 110kg x 10 and on monday I did 140kg x 10 on the leg press. Chest has gone up 7.5kg. 10kg has been added onto my leg extensions. about 5kg has been added onyo my barbell curls...

5kg is about 10lbs FYI...

Dominikm
07-17-2007, 09:35 PM
Your not going to be on this forum for a long time. Hell, use what I said for motivation and try to prove me wrong. I'm not out to get you, Im out to set you str8

Yes, I will. I have gone from fatty fat fat tubby boy ot just fat with a bit more weight to loose... Not that far to go in comparison to the start.


You'll do this diet, you'll loose some weight and he'll you might even keep it off for some time, but you will return to your old ways.

I have no intentions to eat ****ty fast food all day every day again.


I see posters like you all of the time, all of a sudden your in the fat loss section posting in every single thread, giving you 0.02, your on here 24/7. Trying these new diets, then a few months later your gone , no where to be found. Crashed off your diet and resumed your normal pre-fat loss body weight. Because you simply couldn't diet the normal way.

I did do everything prior to this normally, I am simple trying this alternative for 4 weeks. Then i'm goning on a 40/40/20 to loose the rest.


Congrats on the 75lbs, thats a lot of weight, but how many people fell victim to the yo-yo diet ?? Thing your invincible to that? Will this V-diet help you in the long term ??

I'm not a yo-yo dieter, I lose the weight properly, this v diet is just for a change to see how it goes. In the long term, maybe my metabolism will need a little bit to readjust but for the pure fact that all cravings will be gone it's well worth it, let along the other stuff.

My last post was a tad harsh, sorry. I will be here for a long time to come, I will finsih my transformation and continue to bulk up later. You will see, thats for the motivation but I don't need it. Doing it for myself...

ceno
07-17-2007, 09:52 PM
v diet , z diet, keto , meto, zeto....

always looking for something new...extraordinary....
always looking for a quick fix......
what Christian telling you is right, listen to him.

this is not a temporary thing. Its a life style change, learn to live/work with normal food. what are you going to do?
Do v-diet for the rest of your life??..
are you not going to eat carbs for the rest of your life???
are you going to live on shakes your entire life??

why make it harder than already is....

unless you learn the the ways of healthy nutrition, you will find yourself right where you started.

jkang
07-17-2007, 10:57 PM
v diet , z diet, keto , meto, zeto....

always looking for something new...extraordinary....
always looking for a quick fix......
what Christian telling you is right, listen to him.

this is not a temporary thing. Its a life style change, learn to live/work with normal food. what are you going to do?
Do v-diet for the rest of your life??..
are you not going to eat carbs for the rest of your life???
are you going to live on shakes your entire life??

why make it harder than already is....

unless you learn the the ways of healthy nutrition, you will find yourself right where you started.


Ceno....please read the entire thread. We all know that solid foods and a sound diet are superior in every way...as I mentioned earlier. This has already been gone over.

EazyE15
07-18-2007, 01:30 AM
5kg is about 10lbs FYI...

11lb exactly to be precise.

niiick
07-18-2007, 03:12 AM
YOu dont lose muscle. Just fat and water. End of.

I thought you couldn't get any dumber ...
again, you've outdone yourself EasyE15.

EazyE15
07-18-2007, 04:40 AM
I thought you couldn't get any dumber ...
again, you've outdone yourself EasyE15.

If you are trying to hint you lose muscle to, have a chat with Dominikm. With your logic the heavier you lift, the less muscle you have!

Dominikm
07-18-2007, 04:41 AM
v diet , z diet, keto , meto, zeto....

always looking for something new...extraordinary....
always looking for a quick fix......
what Christian telling you is right, listen to him.

this is not a temporary thing. Its a life style change, learn to live/work with normal food. what are you going to do?
Do v-diet for the rest of your life??..
are you not going to eat carbs for the rest of your life???
are you going to live on shakes your entire life??

why make it harder than already is....

unless you learn the the ways of healthy nutrition, you will find yourself right where you started.

Yea, you didn't read anything at all. Other wise you would have not responded with this.

ChristianBBer
07-18-2007, 05:58 PM
All I'll say is, you're very arrogant. Every post I see you in is either bashing someone, saying their ways are wrong, or promoting your own achievements.

With that said, are you saying the (Protein Modified Fast) never works? Talk to Arnold about that one. This diet was a way for body builders to cut and maintain their muscles before competitions. Do some research.

Before you bring up my post count, because the last couple times you've done just that, what does that have to do with the problem at hand... This is a rhetorical question, fyi.
Another person who lost weight and now he knows EVERYTHING.

Arnold also drank beer after his frigen workout. And reread my post, I said the very few people , VERY FEW PEOPLE. Want me to explain more what that means ?

I don't bash anyone, I offer advice, hell I even said use what I said for his own motivation.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2362571

I also helped you out with advice, jackass.

ChristianBBer
07-18-2007, 06:00 PM
Yea, you didn't read anything at all. Other wise you would have not responded with this.

haha whats wrong ? Someone agree's with me and he is wrong ?

Diet normally, you did a good job thus far why stop ?

-Aaron-
07-18-2007, 06:55 PM
Another person who lost weight and now he knows EVERYTHING.

No, I never claimed I know everything, nor did I make any reference to that effect. I simply said that certain diets do work. Keto, V-Diet, and the 40/40/30 diet.

Stop putting words in my mouth; or in this case, text.


Arnold also drank beer after his frigen workout. And reread my post, I said the very few people , VERY FEW PEOPLE. Want me to explain more what that means ?

You also contradicted yourself saying, "The "majority" of people won't benefit" so what's your answer? People will or won't benefit from the V-Diet?


I don't bash anyone, I offer advice, hell I even said use what I said for his own motivation.

You don't bash anyone? I recall two threads where you bashed me because of my post count, come on now.


http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2362571

I also helped you out with advice, jackass.

Help me out? It was a thread to spark a conversation. I have my own theories on how Rome fell, you just mentioned a few of them. Seriously though, you aren't comparing that thread to this one are you? :rolleyes:

Edit: Thanks for the immature "jackass" comment. ;)

Dominikm
07-19-2007, 01:55 AM
haha whats wrong ? Someone agree's with me and he is wrong ?

Diet normally, you did a good job thus far why stop ?

My answer was based on the fact that he was saying am I going to drink shakes and go low carb for ever and jump from extreme to extreme.

Thanks, I know i've gone weel so far, I have 9 days left on the diet and i'll be on a normal 40/40/20 cutting diet. Temp 1 month diet for a change to see how it goes, no biggie...

I'm not gonna drink a shke diet for the rest of my life, lol...

danny83
08-10-2007, 10:31 AM
Just a friendly suggestion 'EasyE': Read first, understand second, speak third.


YOu dont lose muscle. Just fat and water. End of.

Muscle tissue in a glycogen depleted state is one of the first things to be catabolized for energy.


If you are trying to hint you lose muscle to, have a chat with Dominikm. With your logic the heavier you lift, the less muscle you have!

Strength and muscle mass, although positively correlated (most of the time), are two COMPLETELY different things.