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LethalOnGuitarZ
05-01-2004, 03:45 PM
Today, the 1st of May marks the biggest increase of members in the EU's history. 10 new members have joined the community, making a total of 25 member states.

Do you ever wonder if one day we'll see these states unify into one country?

It's happened many times before, the most obvious example would be that of the USA. The US wasn't a country until the American war of Independence in 1784 (or somewhere around then). When the American colonies were United in their fighting against their overlords, the British, they eventually Unified themselves permanently and formed the United States of America.

I believe that this is just the beginning of Europe becoming a country. Give it enough time and eventually the EU won't just be a club for European countries, it'll be a country itself...

mariners216
05-01-2004, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by LethalOnGuitarZ
It's happened many times before, the most obvious example would be that of the USA. The US wasn't a country until the American war of Independence in 1884 (or somewhere around then).
:eek:

1776

LethalOnGuitarZ
05-01-2004, 04:28 PM
Originally posted by mariners216
:eek:

1776
Argh stupid me, I'm not that stupid, honestly. I meant to put a date from the 1700s. :)

BigKazWSM747
05-01-2004, 04:29 PM
Maybe but imo it would take Europe having an enemy in war that would be the needed catalyst, Otherwise the brits and french (and even germans) wouldn't be too fond of being governed by eachother.

Ruthless4Life
05-01-2004, 05:41 PM
Originally posted by LethalOnGuitarZ
Today, the 1st of May marks the biggest increase of members in the EU's history. 10 new members have joined the community, making a total of 25 member states.

Do you ever wonder if one day we'll see these states unify into one country?

It's happened many times before, the most obvious example would be that of the USA. The US wasn't a country until the American war of Independence in 1784 (or somewhere around then). When the American colonies were United in their fighting against their overlords, the British, they eventually Unified themselves permanently and formed the United States of America.

I believe that this is just the beginning of Europe becoming a country. Give it enough time and eventually the EU won't just be a club for European countries, it'll be a country itself...

Europe have been a superpower for 200 years and only stopped being one till the 20th Century where colonialism and imperialism fell apart. Personally, I doubt Europe will merge into one country though, mainly because many European countries have such a deep history they take so much pride on.

irpker
05-01-2004, 08:21 PM
This European Union is good for commerce, but that is all.

Confederations do not work in practice, as the UN is showing, and it failed in America during the 1780's.

LordNeon
05-01-2004, 08:31 PM
Originally posted by BigKazWSM747
Maybe but imo it would take Europe having an enemy in war that would be the needed catalyst, Otherwise the brits and french (and even germans) wouldn't be too fond of being governed by eachother.

I'm surprised you would think such a thing, given that fiscal conservatives generally pooh-pooh Europe as being a "socialist hellhole" (albeit one with a $10 trillion GDP.)

drags
05-01-2004, 09:13 PM
Theres too much nationalism in europe, and the france, germany, and england still crave domination and power. If europe is going to become a superpower and one country its going to need russia but its unlikely they will join as one due to historical differences and as said before "pride".
If it were to become one "country" or "united" it will be extremely easy to break it apart because there are so many racial groups. Just look at Yugoslavia after the fall of the soviet union, mostly because of western countries giving support to the minority groups to declare independance. India and Pakistan, they used to be one country until English rule was taken away, and now look at Chenya in Russia.

A united europe will be a great but it is so unlikely that it will happen.

BIONIC MAN
05-01-2004, 09:45 PM
Originally posted by BigKazWSM747
Maybe but imo it would take Europe having an enemy in war that would be the needed catalyst, Otherwise the brits and french (and even germans) wouldn't be too fond of being governed by eachother. I KNOW you do not like the teachings of the bible , but it says the last power would be one that does not go together. and this seems to be happening right now , i guess its hard for french and english to forget world war 2 but for the sake of the euros and the economy they are going to try it. they will have to appoint a governing body of course the bible talks about this too .

Pantherqb13
05-01-2004, 10:20 PM
Well if they want to unify I say go ahead, but personally I would like to see them all stay seperate. I like all the seperate European history, and I like the pride they all take in their own heritage. I would like to see them all preserve their own sovereignty.

Ruthless4Life
05-02-2004, 02:26 PM
Originally posted by BIONIC MAN
I KNOW you do not like the teachings of the bible , but it says the last power would be one that does not go together. and this seems to be happening right now , i guess its hard for french and english to forget world war 2 but for the sake of the euros and the economy they are going to try it. they will have to appoint a governing body of course the bible talks about this too .

Who are you to say they are going to try it for the sake of the euros and economy and who are you to say they will have to appoint a governing body?

How would you know what they are going to do and for what exact reasons?

Hell, I doubt you even had any higher education about the European economy and politics and have the connections to high rank European politicans for you to know such classified and sensitive information.

darkforce
05-02-2004, 05:01 PM
Originally posted by BIONIC MAN
I KNOW you do not like the teachings of the bible , but it says the last power would be one that does not go together. and this seems to be happening right now , i guess its hard for french and english to forget world war 2 but for the sake of the euros and the economy they are going to try it. they will have to appoint a governing body of course the bible talks about this too .

HAHAHAHAHAHAH..you're actually using the bible of all fictional/bull**** books to understand world politics? That's the dumbest, most naive (although cute) **** I've read in a while! Good stuff I swear.

Ak47
05-02-2004, 05:49 PM
Maybe I dont totally understand the politics between European countries, or maybe I was taught wrong in elementary school, but isnt Europe a continent? So why would all the countries become one country? Wouldnt that be like the US, Canada and Mexico all coming together as one country? That would be crazy.

darkforce
05-02-2004, 05:56 PM
Originally posted by Ak47
Maybe I dont totally understand the politics between European countries, or maybe I was taught wrong in elementary school, but isnt Europe a continent? So why would all the countries become one country? Wouldnt that be like the US, Canada and Mexico all coming together as one country? That would be crazy.

Why did all the original colonies form the USA?

mariners216
05-02-2004, 06:03 PM
Originally posted by darkforce
Why did all the original colonies form the USA?
Also I (being no expert on Europe whatsoever) would imagine that countries like Germany, France, etc. are closer to each other economy-wise than USA and Mexico.

Ak47
05-02-2004, 06:06 PM
Originally posted by mariners216
Also I (being no expert on Europe whatsoever) would imagine that countries like Germany, France, etc. are closer to each other economy-wise than USA and Mexico.

True. I guess I just couldnt see countries like England, France, Germany and spain forming one country because nationalism is so prelevant in Europe, along with strong, individual historys.

Jcfreak_02
05-02-2004, 08:57 PM
Correct me if I am wrong but isn't Great Britain, France and Germany already superpowers? I am certain that at least Great Britain and France are on the top five of the UN council. What exactly do you mean superpower too?

Starsky
05-02-2004, 11:15 PM
No, because they won't. They are declining in economic, political, and numerical importance. In decades they will have fallen off the world stage. So long guys, have fun with your big socialist experiment.

darkforce
05-02-2004, 11:18 PM
Originally posted by Jcfreak_02
Correct me if I am wrong but isn't Great Britain, France and Germany already superpowers? I am certain that at least Great Britain and France are on the top five of the UN council. What exactly do you mean superpower too?

The permanant members of the UN security council is an absolute joke, reflecting the reality of the world back in 1945.

There is no reason for Japan not to be on it.

Starsky
05-02-2004, 11:22 PM
Originally posted by darkforce
The permanant members of the UN security council is an absolute joke, reflecting the reality of the world back in 1945.

There is no reason for Japan not to be on it.


Exactly, dump France in the trash where they belong and bring Japan in.

The Kurgan
05-03-2004, 01:19 AM
It's amazing enough that Germany and France get a long, but the idea of Britain and France getting along is just ridiculous. Even in the world wars we always were a bit seperated.

On a related note, the EU just got a hell of a lot bigger two days ago, on May-day. This was obviously staged to cover up the riots that make that day what it is in Europe.

Europe as a super-power? I doubt it, unless we are the first to design and implement a Fusion Power plant, and get a huge lead on America. Then we will literally have the sun in our hands, hahahaha etc. etc. Personally, I'm happy being part of an insignificant island in a washed-up continent. Less risk of war.

Ruthless4Life
05-03-2004, 01:29 AM
Originally posted by The Kurgan
It's amazing enough that Germany and France get a long, but the idea of Britain and France getting along is just ridiculous. Even in the world wars we always were a bit seperated.

On a related note, the EU just got a hell of a lot bigger two days ago, on May-day. This was obviously staged to cover up the riots that make that day what it is in Europe.

Europe as a super-power? I doubt it, unless we are the first to design and implement a Fusion Power plant, and get a huge lead on America. Then we will literally have the sun in our hands, hahahaha etc. etc. Personally, I'm happy being part of an insignificant island in a washed-up continent. Less risk of war.

Terroists may bomb London in England, but I mean, who would bomb Scotland?!

LethalOnGuitarZ
05-03-2004, 03:29 AM
Originally posted by Starsky
No, because they won't. They are declining in economic, political, and numerical importance. In decades they will have fallen off the world stage. So long guys, have fun with your big socialist experiment.
They are declining in economies? What? Actually, Britain, France and Germany's economies have ALL been rising annually for the last decade. And all three country's economies are big enough to be ranked within the top ten of the world.

In time, European importance, aswell as American importance, will decline. And some currently developing countries will emerge onto the world stage.

But I doubt we'll see a decline in European policitical/ecominic importances within decades. Maybe within centuries, or maybe within milleniums. :)

irpker
05-03-2004, 03:42 AM
Japan should not be on the UN security council, because they have no military might, where as the nations that are currently up there, certainly do. You can make fun of France all you like, but you cannot deny their military might.

It's a combination of economic and military clout, which few nations have both of.

The Kurgan
05-03-2004, 03:18 PM
Originally posted by Ruthless4Life
Terroists may bomb London in England, but I mean, who would bomb Scotland?!

Ze Germans?

LordNeon
05-03-2004, 04:11 PM
Originally posted by Starsky
No, because they won't. They are declining in economic, political, and numerical importance. In decades they will have fallen off the world stage. So long guys, have fun with your big socialist experiment.

If the EU has no economic importance, then the US, whose GDP is smaller, is really nothing.

Petey_G
05-03-2004, 09:13 PM
Could you imagine if the USA, USA jr. (Canada), and Japan made there own union? In my eyes this is feasible, but not for some time...Economically, we couldnt be beat then by the entire world...

...On the related topic, Europe will not be a superpower again. Not a single Europene country has a strong military might currently, and not a single Europene country has enough land to really create a large GDP...Thew only way Europe could ever be EQUAL to the USA is if all 25 countries united, and we all know the probability of that...ZERO!

...lets also be real here, if it wasnt for the USA military might, Europe would be marching under the sikel and hammer. I still believe Russia could still take most of Europe, its just that there a little more sane now and lost that crazy russian edge they once had.

Starsky
05-04-2004, 12:05 AM
Originally posted by irpker
Japan should not be on the UN security council, because they have no military might, where as the nations that are currently up there, certainly do. You can make fun of France all you like, but you cannot deny their military might.

It's a combination of economic and military clout, which few nations have both of.


Yes, you can deny Frances military might, because it doesn't exist. They should be booted to the curb and Japan should be accepted.

Starsky
05-04-2004, 12:06 AM
Originally posted by LordNeon
If the EU has no economic importance, then the US, whose GDP is smaller, is really nothing.


How many of their welfare states does it take to equal the US...20-30? They are damaging themselves into irrelevance, its already begun.

NuclearArms
05-04-2004, 02:04 PM
Sorry, I never see it happening.
Why - too much political correctness and consensus building required for a unified decision.

nuclearboy
05-04-2004, 03:33 PM
ok people, im from france.

Europe become a superpower?

LMAO! what a joke! our main "powers" germany and france are socialist/communists systems where everything is sliding to hell since three decades.

Our economies, our health system, our societies, are ****ed up and no one have the key to solve the massive problems we are facing.
France is becoming a third world country every days.Immigration from africa and arabs countries of the "maghreb" (algeria, tunisia and marroco) is replacing the whole native population by a new kind of population.

We are not renewing our nativ epopulation, women dont make babies, and the immigrees are making em for us...to replace us.

Its a silencious and slow but certain genocide, without any war.

In other news, ull learn that muslims are gaining grounds everywhere in europe: france, germany, italia and spain.

In 2020 75% of the under 25 y/o will be africans immigrees.
We are invaded by more than 400 000 new immigrants each year non officialy, when our official propaganda networks (hold by socialists and communist, pro islamists) tell us they are about 60 000...
Muslims (aka arabs) are told to be 6 millions...but we know they are obviously up to 12 millions.Yes 12 millions.
But our medias are focusing on iraq and enjoying /rejoicing of american deaths with condescendants comments, and hide the truth to the population.
Our emdias are totaly owned by the LEFTISTS.
(90% of our "journalists" have their card tot he...communist party!! yeah, not a joke.)

Everywhere delinquance exploded. Some cities and towns even dont own police offices and are considered as "zone de nont droit" aka "forbidden area" for someone who's not black or muslim.

unemployment is growing too, of course...officiaky 10 %...but its crystal clear we are near the 20% of the population who only receive money from state wich is collapsing.

Germany is exactly in the same situation.
Our irevelant and corrupt leaders went so far in the destruction of our nations that things are alrdy ****ed up for us.


Lets talk about the anti americanism of the french.
Everything in france is about envy, jaleousy and low objectives.

France was a noticeable power who never understood she fell as the rank of a third world country.

All we can do is whining, criticize and vomit on the USA, even if we are hoping that their economic boom will reach our sclerosed country one day...
pitiful.
By the way, the massive immigration of muslims immigrees improved the anti americanism, and covnersions to the islam religion of piss are as numerous as the veiled girls.

A total lack of virtues, values, and respect. A total deliquessence.
No army, no police, no leaders, and a growing number of muslims.

Our governement leaded by a false right wing gave and give em more rights everydays, hoping they will vote for em in the nexts elecitons, but the muslims elected their own leaders and now oh the drama, they are gaining ground.

All our brains are fleeing the country to go in the UK or in the USA.
While our brains are fleeing, we are importing stomachs who have no ****ing will to integrate, but only to re create their mess in our country and replace us.




So this ****ing thread is a non sense.
Europe is collapsing.

Russia and UK are the only "european" hope.

We are owned, we are getting replaced, a major change is coming.
And the most part of our brainwashed compatriots are just watching tv, eating american food, drinking coca cola, wearing nike clothes and nike shoes, after they played an american game on their american computer.

But that doesnt empeach em to vomit on the usa everytimes.



Shame on us, we deserve our fate.


ps: wana obtain french citizenship?

ok come in france with a woman, make a child, he 's french. and there is a law, voted soem years ago wich allows you to stay with the child even if u dont have the citizenship.
Ah, and i forget to add: of course everything is GRATIS now for you. U will obtain automtically aids from the state: free house, free health care, allocations fro everyone...want more allocations? make more childs!
Who pay for all of this? The workers, the entreprenors, the business men. and when they go outside their office or home:
-they are beated to death for being "too white" if this day they are not lucky
-stolen car
-wives or girls raped by "paul jean and pierre (names chaned by the journalists for a question of anonimity: understand that mohamed rachid and yasser were the real names)

maybe its why they move out from this ****hole finaly?

Got the picture?


its all about ****ing facts.

dave22
05-04-2004, 05:44 PM
^ Are you really from France?? Because I really can't see someone from France bashing his own country.

Petey_G
05-04-2004, 08:41 PM
Originally posted by dave22
^ Are you really from France?? Because I really can't see someone from France bashing his own country.

I believe him...It seems like he knows the current major problems with Europe and can explain them...Not every Frenchy is a frog, I have spoken to many and many know how bad thier country is going to the ****ter...

Germany is also going down hill, not as bad, but thier Health Care system is about to implode...

Starsky
05-04-2004, 09:57 PM
Their psuedo-leftist dream societies are declining day by day. The more they regulate, the more businesses leave them. Their standard of living is worse, their healthcare is worse, their unemployment is easily 2-3x ours and they have been stripped of many individual rights.


So liberals, if you need a highly regulated society to be able to function, there are plenty of leftist countries to choose from. Europe is fading into obscurity and irrelevance.

The Kurgan
05-05-2004, 10:08 AM
Originally posted by nuclearboy
Russia and UK are the only "european" hope.

Cheers, but a lot of peole in the UK, including myself, don't consider ourselves part of "Europe" in the political sense. I know that Russia doesn't, maybe that's your point.

Amazing English by the way. Quel age a tu? (Excuze moi, a mon ordinateur il n'ya pas les accents, et je connais petit francais, mais je travaille dur!)

nuclearboy
05-05-2004, 11:00 AM
well, obviously i dont consider Uk as a part or europe, neither Russia.

I consider USA,UK ,Russia and israel as the last rampart of the occident. All ther others occidentals countries are faithless and about to collapse.

You can notice that all the europeans countries wich are about to be definitiely owned are geographically the closest of africa, and midle east.We resisted since so many centuries, but finaly they got us. Its not a conventionnal war.

They invaded us. The worst mistake was to let muslims settle in your country.
If you do this, its the begining of the end.The is no concession, no balance. Muslims/arabs are one part of the same thing: the Umma. They will never sincerly care about someone or somehting wich is not muslim. Its deeply rooted in their minds since centuries.


May USA and UK change their immigration policy soon, cause they seems to be the next.

Russian dont give a **** about looking too "intolerant". They are proud of being whites and occidentals, and there blacks and muslims are still often hunted in the streets or racially insulted.

Thats the only reason why not a muslim or black want to settle there.Its clear enough.

btw im 21 y/o , and i never learned english at school , only since 2 years on the internet, by surfing on the net.

I fascinated by the usa, uk and israel. They are aloen to fight against everyone on this ****ing earth. They are taking care of us and our future. Its a titan's fight between the majority of the brainwashed and angry people on earth against a small minority of peopel whoc ares about freedom, progress and hapiness.

Petey_G
05-05-2004, 01:36 PM
I would also like to bring up the fact that the "socialist Paradise" of Europe's average unemployement is between 10-14%...The USA currently has unemployment of 5.5%...

Does anyone still actually believe high-tax psuedo-socialism actually brings jobs to the table??? Some people are so blind...

The Kurgan
05-06-2004, 07:53 AM
Originally posted by Petey_G
Does anyone still actually believe high-tax psuedo-socialism actually brings jobs to the table??? Some people are so blind...

First important lesson in Business Studies and Accounting And Finance- Entrepreneurs will only come to your country if you make it worthwhile. That's why I'd be worried to be American, because more and more invenstors are going to China. China has cheap, almost slave labour, and lots of incentives to offer the richer people in this world.

fkarcha
05-06-2004, 11:29 AM
Europe will never be a military super power, because military supers are going to become less and less feasible in the future.

NPB
05-06-2004, 11:35 AM
Originally posted by dave22
^ Are you really from France?? Because I really can't see someone from France bashing his own country.

Do you know many French? Educated ones are fleeing in droves, everything this cat said has been something I've heard over and over with some of my friends who are here in the US who came from France.

It is very likely France will be a 3rd world country in 20 years.

Reap what you sow,

nPB

Norman
05-07-2004, 10:39 AM
The situation is not as bad as Nuclearboy says. Though most of the socialism criticism is true, i doubt this kind of welfare society will last much longer.

Currently , the leftist government in Germany is about to abolish some parts of it and after get voted out the conversative government , which is currently most likely to be voted in in 2006, will continue.
The need for reforms generally accepeted, itīs just a matter of a few more years.

Germany is likely to lose more economic power until then, but GB had to ask the ICF for money like some third world country
before Thatcher cut down the welfare state and now they are prospering.
I believe Germany will start to regain some economic progress after the much needed reforms are completely implemented, probably about in 2008 or so.