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nuclearboy
04-30-2004, 05:16 AM
A Plea from a Marine in Iraq
By Robert Nofsinger
FrontPageMagazine.com | April 27, 2004


Hello Everyone, I am taking time to ask you all for your help.

First off, I'd like to say that this is not a political message. I'm not concerned about domestic politics right now. We have much bigger things to deal with, and we need your help.

It seems that despite the tremendous and heroic efforts of the men and women serving here in Iraq to bring much needed peace and stability to this region, we are losing the war of perception with the media and American people. Our enemy has learned that the key to defeating the mighty American military is by swaying public opinion at home and abroad. We are a people that cherish the democratic system of government and therefore hold the will of the people in the highest regard. We love to criticize ourselves almost to an endless degree, because we care what others think. Our enemies see this as a weakness and are trying to exploit it.

When we ask ourselves questions like, "Why do they hate us?" or "What did we do wrong?" we are playing into our enemies' hands. Our natural tendency to question ourselves is being used against us to undermine our effort to do good in the world. How far would we have gotten if after the surprise attacks on December 7, 1941 at Pearl Harbor, we would have asked, "Why do the Japanese hate us so much?" or "How can we change ourselves so that they won't do that again?" Here in Iraq the enemy is trying very hard to portray our efforts as failing and fruitless. They kill innocents and desecrate their bodies in hopes that the people back home will lose the will to fight for liberty. They are betting on our perceived weakness as a thoughtful, considerate people. Unfortunately our media only serves to further their cause.

In an industry that feeds on ratings and bad news, a failure in Iraq would be a goldmine. When our so-called "trusted" American media takes a quote from an Iraqi doctor as the gospel truth over that of the men and women that are daily fighting to protect the right to freedom of press, you know something is wrong. That doctor claimed that out of 600 Iraqis, that were casualties of the fighting, the vast majority of them were women, children and the elderly. This is totally absurd. In the history of man, no one has spent more time and effort, often to the detriment of our own mission, to be more discriminate in our targeting of the enemy than the American military. The Marines and Soldiers serving in Iraq have gone through extensive training in order to limit the amount of innocent casualties and collateral damage.

Yet, despite all of this, our media consistently sides with those who openly lie and directly challenge the honor of our brave heroes fighting for liberty and peace. What we have to remember is that peace is not defined as an absence of war. It is the presence of liberty, stability, and prosperity. In the face of the horrendous tyranny of the former Iraqi regime, the only way true peace was able to come to this region was through force. That is what the American Revolution was all about. Have we forgotten? Freedom is not free and "peace" without principle is not peace. The peace that so-called "peace advocates" support can only be brought to Iraq through the military. And we are doing it, if only the world will let us! If the American people believe we are failing, even if we are not, then we will ultimately fail.

That is why I am asking for your support. Become a voice of truth in your community. Wherever you are fight the lies of the enemy. Don't buy into the pessimism and apathy that says, "It's hopeless," "They hate us too much," "That part of the world is just too messed up," "It's our fault anyway," "We're to blame," and so forth. Whether you're in middle school, working at a 9-5 job, retired, or a stay-at-home mom you can make a huge difference! There is nothing more powerful than the truth. So, when you watch the news and see doomsday predictions and spiteful opinions on our efforts over here, you can refute them by knowing that we are doing a tremendous amount of good. Spread the word. No one is poised to make such an amazing contribution to the everyday lives of Iraqis and the rest of the Arab world than the American Armed Forces. By making this a place where liberty can finally grow, we are making the whole world safer. Your efforts at home are directly tied to our success. You are the soldiers at home fighting the war of perception. So I'm asking you as a fellow fighting man: Do your duty. Stop the attempts of the enemy wherever you are. You are a mighty force for good, because truth is on your side. Together we will win this fight and ensure a better world for the future.

God Bless and Semper Fidelis, 1st Lt. Robert L. Nofsinger USMC Ramadi, Iraq

pogue
04-30-2004, 06:01 AM
Originally posted by nuclearboy
First off, I'd like to say that this is not a political message. I'm not concerned about domestic politics right now.

That's exactly what it is.

BuckWyld
04-30-2004, 07:00 AM
I dont remember the exact details but a letters like this were sent to news papers recently with soldiers names signed and afterwards the soldiers said they were not the ones to send them, this is not one of thoes is it?

lucubration
04-30-2004, 07:43 AM
Originally posted by nuclearboy
How far would we have gotten if after the surprise attacks on December 7, 1941 at Pearl Harbor, we would have asked, "Why do the Japanese hate us so much?"

The answers are clear: 1 We would not sell them oil, 2 They feared that we would join soon anyway, so they may as well take out our naval fleet.

Any citizen/Marine with a basic knowledge of history would know this.

sharkness
01-04-2005, 09:44 PM
a Marine should do, not think, its not your job to think about this stuff

dave22
01-04-2005, 09:52 PM
The answers are clear: 1 We would not sell them oil, 2 They feared that we would join soon anyway, so they may as well take out our naval fleet.

Any citizen/Marine with a basic knowledge of history would know this.

The Japs knew that they couldn't win a war with us, but they hoped to fight us long enough until we lost the desire to fight. Might have happened if they won the battle of Midway.

pogue
01-04-2005, 10:08 PM
The Japs knew that they couldn't win a war with us, but they hoped to fight us long enough until we lost the desire to fight. Might have happened if they won the battle of Midway.

Please do not use racial slurs, dave. First warning.

AntonToo
01-04-2005, 10:14 PM
I dont care who this message is from, if it's reading -

[When we ask ourselves questions like, "Why do they hate us?" or "What did we do wrong?" we are playing into our enemies' hands.]

- It bullsht. You can bomb the sht out of people all day long, that doesn't mean anything is getting solved.

AntonToo
01-04-2005, 10:15 PM
Please do not use racial slurs, dave. First warning.

J*ps is a SLUR? It's just short for Japanese no?

pogue
01-04-2005, 10:27 PM
J*ps is a SLUR? It's just short for Japanese no?

No, it is a racial slur.

JBDW
01-04-2005, 10:30 PM
No, it is a racial slur.

:o I always thought it was just a short form. I stand corrected.

pogue
01-04-2005, 10:37 PM
:o I always thought it was just a short form. I stand corrected.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jap#J

*ShaGGs*
01-04-2005, 10:42 PM
Please do not use racial slurs, dave. First warning.

japs isnt a racial slur is it?
its short for japanese, like calling an australian an aussie or a british person a brit

JBDW
01-04-2005, 10:44 PM
japs isnt a racial slur is it?
its short for japanese, like calling an australian an aussie or a british person a brit

Look up.

dookie1481
01-04-2005, 10:56 PM
a Marine should do, not think, its not your job to think about this stuff

You are a dumb, mindless son of a bitch. ****ing brainwashed moron.

Brinn
01-04-2005, 10:59 PM
japs isnt a racial slur is it?
its short for japanese, like calling an australian an aussie or a british person a brit
Everything is on that list, it seems. Kiwi, Brit, Yankee. If you look under Z, you'll find "zerg", which is a videogaming term.

dave22
01-04-2005, 11:31 PM
No, it is a racial slur.

Sorry, won't happen again. :(

M@chin@
01-05-2005, 12:15 AM
Everything is on that list, it seems. Kiwi, Brit, Yankee. If you look under Z, you'll find "zerg", which is a videogaming term.


I agree, anyone strictly using that list is in serious need of enough brains to think for themselves.

MR SMART
02-02-2005, 10:08 PM
A Plea from a Marine in Iraq
By Robert Nofsinger
FrontPageMagazine.com | April 27, 2004


Hello Everyone, I am taking time to ask you all for your help.

First off, I'd like to say that this is not a political message. I'm not concerned about domestic politics right now. We have much bigger things to deal with, and we need your help.

It seems that despite the tremendous and heroic efforts of the men and women serving here in Iraq to bring much needed peace and stability to this region, we are losing the war of perception with the media and American people. Our enemy has learned that the key to defeating the mighty American military is by swaying public opinion at home and abroad. We are a people that cherish the democratic system of government and therefore hold the will of the people in the highest regard. We love to criticize ourselves almost to an endless degree, because we care what others think. Our enemies see this as a weakness and are trying to exploit it.

When we ask ourselves questions like, "Why do they hate us?" or "What did we do wrong?" we are playing into our enemies' hands. Our natural tendency to question ourselves is being used against us to undermine our effort to do good in the world. How far would we have gotten if after the surprise attacks on December 7, 1941 at Pearl Harbor, we would have asked, "Why do the Japanese hate us so much?" or "How can we change ourselves so that they won't do that again?" Here in Iraq the enemy is trying very hard to portray our efforts as failing and fruitless. They kill innocents and desecrate their bodies in hopes that the people back home will lose the will to fight for liberty. They are betting on our perceived weakness as a thoughtful, considerate people. Unfortunately our media only serves to further their cause.

In an industry that feeds on ratings and bad news, a failure in Iraq would be a goldmine. When our so-called "trusted" American media takes a quote from an Iraqi doctor as the gospel truth over that of the men and women that are daily fighting to protect the right to freedom of press, you know something is wrong. That doctor claimed that out of 600 Iraqis, that were casualties of the fighting, the vast majority of them were women, children and the elderly. This is totally absurd. In the history of man, no one has spent more time and effort, often to the detriment of our own mission, to be more discriminate in our targeting of the enemy than the American military. The Marines and Soldiers serving in Iraq have gone through extensive training in order to limit the amount of innocent casualties and collateral damage.

Yet, despite all of this, our media consistently sides with those who openly lie and directly challenge the honor of our brave heroes fighting for liberty and peace. What we have to remember is that peace is not defined as an absence of war. It is the presence of liberty, stability, and prosperity. In the face of the horrendous tyranny of the former Iraqi regime, the only way true peace was able to come to this region was through force. That is what the American Revolution was all about. Have we forgotten? Freedom is not free and "peace" without principle is not peace. The peace that so-called "peace advocates" support can only be brought to Iraq through the military. And we are doing it, if only the world will let us! If the American people believe we are failing, even if we are not, then we will ultimately fail.

That is why I am asking for your support. Become a voice of truth in your community. Wherever you are fight the lies of the enemy. Don't buy into the pessimism and apathy that says, "It's hopeless," "They hate us too much," "That part of the world is just too messed up," "It's our fault anyway," "We're to blame," and so forth. Whether you're in middle school, working at a 9-5 job, retired, or a stay-at-home mom you can make a huge difference! There is nothing more powerful than the truth. So, when you watch the news and see doomsday predictions and spiteful opinions on our efforts over here, you can refute them by knowing that we are doing a tremendous amount of good. Spread the word. No one is poised to make such an amazing contribution to the everyday lives of Iraqis and the rest of the Arab world than the American Armed Forces. By making this a place where liberty can finally grow, we are making the whole world safer. Your efforts at home are directly tied to our success. You are the soldiers at home fighting the war of perception. So I'm asking you as a fellow fighting man: Do your duty. Stop the attempts of the enemy wherever you are. You are a mighty force for good, because truth is on your side. Together we will win this fight and ensure a better world for the future.

God Bless and Semper Fidelis, 1st Lt. Robert L. Nofsinger USMC Ramadi, Iraq this is all a lie

gympunk
02-02-2005, 10:23 PM
Hmmmmm, isn't America a Democratic Republic? Are citizens with opposing view-points really "the enemy"!? Is that what you truly believe?
What country are you then fighting for?

agcrisco
02-03-2005, 12:04 AM
When we ask ourselves questions like, "Why do they hate us?" or "What did we do wrong?" we are playing into our enemies' hands. Our natural tendency to question ourselves is being used against us to undermine our effort to do good in the world. How far would we have gotten if after the surprise attacks on December 7, 1941 at Pearl Harbor, we would have asked, "Why do the Japanese hate us so much?" or "How can we change ourselves so that they won't do that again?" Here in Iraq the enemy is trying very hard to portray our efforts as failing and fruitless.

How about getting facts strait before spewing typical anti-bush garbage?

sutter cane
02-06-2005, 02:02 AM
c/s 100% with thread started. May God bless you and all of our brave brothers at war.

Zarnold
02-06-2005, 07:17 AM
Semper Fidelis Marine

nitr0x2
02-06-2005, 07:29 AM
In the history of man, no one has spent more time and effort, often to the detriment of our own mission, to be more discriminate in our targeting of the enemy than the American military. The Marines and Soldiers serving in Iraq have gone through extensive training in order to limit the amount of innocent casualties and collateral damage.



Shock & Awe?

Streetbull
02-06-2005, 08:44 AM
Japanese people refer to us as the above. It basically means that you had the misfortune to be born a non-Japanese, and that you are a POS. I never referred to Japanese or Okinawans with slurs although we heard plenty.

morgansd12
02-06-2005, 09:13 AM
Shock & Awe?

I thinkthe term "shock and awe" was a diversionary tactic. Just like how the Gulf War 1 was supposed to be the biggest amphibious assualt ever....that never happened. But Saddam moved his forces to defend the shoreline and our forces moved safely through the desert.

Same thing here, they all bunkered down for the shock and awe which never came while our forces made one of the quickest advances in histroy.

Saddam...and media...fooled again.

nitr0x2
02-06-2005, 09:25 AM
I thinkthe term "shock and awe" was a diversionary tactic. Just like how the Gulf War 1 was supposed to be the biggest amphibious assualt ever....that never happened. But Saddam moved his forces to defend the shoreline and our forces moved safely through the desert.

Same thing here, they all bunkered down for the shock and awe which never came while our forces made one of the quickest advances in histroy.

Saddam...and media...fooled again.


The reports of those killed in the first few days of bombing were all false?

morgansd12
02-06-2005, 09:33 AM
The reports of those killed in the first few days of bombing were all false?

No I am not saying that. I don't know what might be true or false. A lot of what came out the first days of the war was WAAY of course though. "The war plan has failed!" remember that one?

All I know is that we spend billions of $'s so tht we can send the smallest necessary explosive on a laser guided bomb so as it is LEAST likely to cause any additional harm. And risk guys lives on the ground to paint the target.

We would have national healthcare if it were not for this. That's how much they spend on this stuff.

There will always be innocent deaths in ANY war. But it is a far cry from the 10,000-20,000 PER DAY sometimes in WW2 bombing.