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SteakNPotatoes
04-25-2004, 03:28 PM
Let me be the first to say that I feel debating opinions (90% of what goes on in internet forums) is useless and does not accomplish anything. Unless you have cold hard facts, and not "facts" from hardcore left/right wing websites, nothing will change.

My question is this, in all the time you've been debating religion/politics/etc on these boards has your stance changed at all towards that of the opposite? IE you came here a liberal and were changed to a more conservative viewpoint, or vice versa.

Personally, (and I have a feeling that many others might feel the same way) the only thing that has changed is that in arguing with everyone my opinions have become sturdier and more deeply rooted, quite the opposite from what debating is supposed to accomplish.

LordNeon
04-25-2004, 03:40 PM
I think most of the people who argue on Internet forums aren't really looking for Socratic dialogue or serious debate, but just like to argue. I can't claim to be an exception here :)

fireman_x
04-25-2004, 03:44 PM
No my views haven't changed at all. How could they when I'm arguing against people that have no facts or sources to back up their claims. These are the people that will ignore my strong points and look for weak side issues to attack.

I don't debate a person in order to change that person's opinion, I want to make sure that the people that are lurking and just reading the thread don't believe all the lies and mis-truths that are being portrayed by the thread starter.

SteakNPotatoes
04-25-2004, 03:47 PM
Originally posted by fireman_x
How could they when I'm arguing against people that have no facts or sources to back up their claims. These are the people that will ignore my strong points and look for weak side issues to attack.


Because it is hard to find a person on the internet that will admit to being wrong, or give any leeway. Usually when they are backed in a corner they either outright ignore you or try and change the topic.

BigKazWSM747
04-25-2004, 03:47 PM
I did not totally do a 180, but my beliefs have changed since joining these boards.

I changed my positions on these boards for a while basically becoming a modern day liberal. I used to consider FDR the best president and thought pretty highly of LBJ. I have seen turned away from socialistic ideas and programs. None of these changes were a result of internet debate but rather my own personal growth and regressions.

CITADEL
04-25-2004, 04:11 PM
Yes

Heavily Armed
04-25-2004, 04:13 PM
The value isn't so much in who's debating, as people who post are probably set in their opinion. The interesting take would be those who silently observe but don't actively participate. A plus for me is to see how people of differing opinions think. I have had very good discussions in here with intelligent people. I ponder angles I hadn't thought of before. I would say such discussion galvanizes my beliefs, for the most part. Many in here might find, that with time and experience, their views will moderate.

goblin6
04-25-2004, 04:43 PM
Originally posted by Heavily Armed
The value isn't so much in who's debating, as people who post are probably set in their opinion. The interesting take would be those who silently observe but don't actively participate. A plus for me is to see how people of differing opinions think. I have had very good discussions in here with intelligent people. I ponder angles I hadn't thought of before. I would say such discussion galvanizes my beliefs, for the most part. Many in here might find, that with time and experience, their views will moderate.
that is a nice answer.
i would agree that some of the arguments I have had on theboards and others I have just watched unfold, have helped me to understand how the "other side" thinks. Not changed my opinion really but helped understnading of certain topics.

BIONIC MAN
04-25-2004, 05:58 PM
COMING on these boards has given me the conclusion that people have opinions lots of them and when you disagree , well the debate starts and thats good . I think most mis-information is on politics , and religion is primarily based on the text or beliefs of that certain religion . ones religion and politics will always be according to there lifestyle , if it benefits them they are for it SIMPLE. if one supports a cause than it is a benefit to them , what john kerry is for is what there for, if religion would interrupt there lifestyle than of course there against it [vehemently] and that will not change.

TranceNRG
04-25-2004, 09:08 PM
Some of my opinions have changed

but not through this forum.
through PM's w/ people who know what they're talking about.

people that talk logically not emotionally.
people who show evidence and not blind faith
people that don't flame

in ways my opinions have been reinforced and in ways it has been modified.

I haven't accepted the opposition.


These debates help people realize how many different points of views are out there. and how people should be more tolerant.

it shouldn't be the sole source to change your opinions and beliefs.

Debaser
04-25-2004, 09:53 PM
There's too many blanket statements thrown around. Nothing is backed up enough to prove me otherwise. I do like debating/arguing so I can hear the other side of the story so I can formulate my own opinons, not ones associated with a specific political party.

Jimineye
04-25-2004, 10:55 PM
It hasn't really changed my view on issues, but I just learn how others think, and also to see their point of view. But I can't think of any particular issue that has made me change due this board.

LethalOnGuitarZ
04-25-2004, 11:09 PM
Originally posted by SteakNPotatoes
Because it is hard to find a person on the internet that will admit to being wrong, or give any leeway. Usually when they are backed in a corner they either outright ignore you or try and change the topic.
That IS true for most people, but not me :). If I am prooven wrong, then I will admit to it.

user4165146510
04-26-2004, 12:16 AM
that is a bad poll. Worded terribly.

SteakNPotatoes
04-26-2004, 03:37 AM
Originally posted by tiger20
that is a bad poll. Worded terribly.

It is?

Apparently everyone else understands it.

The Kurgan
04-26-2004, 09:10 AM
Yes, I've become an atheist, after being a devout Christian.

CerealKiller
04-26-2004, 02:07 PM
Originally posted by SteakNPotatoes
Let me be the first to say that I feel debating opinions (90% of what goes on in internet forums) is useless and does not accomplish anything. Unless you have cold hard facts, and not "facts" from hardcore left/right wing websites, nothing will change.

My question is this, in all the time you've been debating religion/politics/etc on these boards has your stance changed at all towards that of the opposite? IE you came here a liberal and were changed to a more conservative viewpoint, or vice versa.

Personally, (and I have a feeling that many others might feel the same way) the only thing that has changed is that in arguing with everyone my opinions have become sturdier and more deeply rooted, quite the opposite from what debating is supposed to accomplish.

Actually yes twice.

Once in a thread concerning space exploration which I thought was completely useless and a waste of taxpayers dollars. I now see some benefits of space exploration that others pointed out to me which I wasn't aware of at the time. I still feel NASA pays too many 6 figure incomes for non-productivity for my liking.

And secondly, the Great Glutamine Crusades. Was pro-glutamine but now have my doubts about the benefits of supplemental glutamine.

I can't speak for anyone else but I don't debate to try and change other peoples opinions. I post to express my point of view which may benefit others and give them something new to consider, and to listen to other peoples opinions which may benefit myself.

Kane Fan
04-27-2004, 09:20 PM
to get political for a minute
I've always thought the point of a debate was to reach out to the 'swing voters'
both sides place thier arguments for the bennifit of the undeicded
not to change each others minds
if you were able to have your mind changed with words and some breif examples but no real life experience, you woudlnt' be 'debating' your beliefs you'd be telling people 'you have a good pont' even if you didn't know what they were talkign about