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AnotherScorpion
04-20-2004, 02:14 PM
JERUSALEM (AP) -- Eighteen years after he was kidnapped by Mossad agents for exposing Israel's secret nuclear program, Mordechai Vanunu will go free this week -- a moment Israel fears will refocus unwelcome attention on its "bomb in the basement."

In remarks broadcast Monday, the 50-year-old Vanunu said he has no more secrets to reveal, but he'd like to see Israel's nuclear reactor destroyed.

The audiotape of a recent conversation in prison between Vanunu and Shin Bet agents marked the first time Israelis heard him explain his actions. Vanunu's brother, Meir, said Monday that the prisoner didn't know his remarks would be published.

Anti-nuclear crusaders, including actors, legislators and a Nobel Peace Prize laureate, were flying in from Europe and the United States for Wednesday's release, but they won't be able to embrace their hero.

Trying to quash any celebrations, the security services have barred Vanunu from speaking to foreigners, traveling abroad or even approaching foreign embassies for fear he might seek political asylum.

Vanunu's campaign began in 1986 when he gave The Sunday Times of London a description and photographs of Israel's Dimona reactor, where he had worked for nine years. Based on his account, experts said at the time that Israel had the world's sixth-largest stockpile of nuclear weapons.

The revelations undercut Israel's policy of "nuclear ambiguity."

That policy was forged in the 1960s when Israel promised the United States it would not declare its nuclear status, test nuclear weapons or use them for political gain, wrote Israeli historian Avner Cohen. In exchange, Washington did not pressure Israel to disarm, he said.

Israel has kept the pledge, neither confirming nor denying it has nuclear capability. Some say that by drawing attention to its nuclear capability, Vanunu actually boosted Israel's deterrence.

Anti-nuclear campaigners were flying to Israel to greet Vanunu outside Shikma Prison in the coastal town of Ashkelon. Among them were Mairead Corrigan Maguire, a 1976 Nobel Peace Prize laureate from Northern Ireland, and British actress Susannah York. Others sent messages, including British playwright Harold Pinter who wrote: "You are a remarkable man, a man of principle and integrity."

Vanunu received thousands of letters over the years, and was adopted by an American couple, Nick and Mary Eoloff of St. Paul, Minnesota.

The prisoner proudly told Shin Bet interrogators the world considers him a hero, according to the audiotape.

However, there is little sympathy for him in Israel, a country where just about everything is debated openly -- except nuclear weapons. The phrase "bomb in the basement" has been frequently used to describe Israel's secret nuclear program. It was also the title of a 2001 Israeli documentary, "A Bomb in the Basement _ Israel's Nuclear Option."

Israelis believe the weapons are their last line of defense, "the ultimate guarantee that another Holocaust will not happen," said legal commentator Moshe Negbi. The consensus is that too much talk will only harm security.

Still, critics say, Vanunu's punishment was excessive.

Yossi Melman, a journalist who writes about espionage, said the security services were trying to deter others and distract attention from their own blunders. The Shin Bet ignored warning signs that Vanunu had been drawn into left-wing circles while working at the reactor, Melman said.

Vanunu said Israel shouldn't have trusted him with classified material. "You gave information to the wrong man," he told the Shin Bet.

Vanunu was snatched from Rome by the Mossad in 1986 after being lured into a rendezvous by a female agent. He was smuggled to Israel by yacht, tried behind closed doors and sentenced to 18 years for treason.

He spent 12 of those years in solitary confinement, earning him a mention in the 1998 edition of Guinness World Records.

In the first 2 1/2 years, Vanunu was under 24-hour video surveillance, with fluorescent lights on at all times in his windowless cell, said his brother Meir. He was allowed a one-hour daily walk in a yard shrouded in canvas to prevent him from signaling other prisoners. His only human contact was a guard and a family visit every two weeks.

The crushing isolation harmed Vanunu's mental health, according to his brother, an opinion backed by former Israeli legislator Yossi Katz, who met him in 1998. Vanunu improved after getting out of solitary.

Israeli newspapers ran rare photographs of the white-haired, balding Vanunu on Monday, showing him in jeans, a brown prison uniform shirt and a blue ski jacket. Vanunu, a convert to Christianity, wore a gold cross around his neck.

The prisoner, one of 11 children of working-class Jewish immigrants from Morocco, seems to have been an accidental spy.

He was a loner who rebelled against his ultra-Orthodox Jewish upbringing. He studied at Ben Gurion University in the Negev desert while working at the reactor and earned an undergraduate degree in philosophy.

In 1985, after getting fired from his job in Dimona, Vanunu flew to Thailand, where he stayed at a Buddhist monastery and considered conversion, then moved to Australia. He joined an Anglican congregation in Sydney, changed his name to John Crossman and met a freelance journalist who suggested Vanunu talk to the media about Dimona.

With Vanunu's impending release, Israel's nuclear program has hit the headlines again, reviving demands that Israel disarm. Egypt says Israel's arsenal is spurring Arab and Muslim countries to develop their own bombs.

In an attempt at damage control, Israel is imposing restrictions on Vanunu, with the implicit threat of re-arrest.

"We just want to stop him from spreading state secrets," said Likud Party legislator Yuval Steinitz, chairman of parliament's Defense and Foreign Affairs Committee. "We think Vanunu still has information he hasn't revealed."

TranceNRG
04-20-2004, 02:34 PM
Not much free.. but out of the jail.

I think it's because of him that people actually know Israel has nuclear facilities.

if he wasn't around, w/ the Us cover up no one would find out about Israel's WMD


so, I hope he somehow manages to enjoy the rest of his life

TranceNRG
04-22-2004, 02:16 AM
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&ncid=736&e=5&u=/ap/20040422/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_vanunu


strong person

I like him :D

hope one day he can freely travel

best of luck for him

The Kurgan
04-22-2004, 03:25 PM
I'll hand one thing to him, he has to have two massive balls between his legs to stand up for what he believes in like he has. It's interesting how exposing nuclear weapons is against national security, but trying to put out the fire of terrorism with petrol is Leadership...

Ruthless4Life
04-22-2004, 08:30 PM
Israeli nuclear whistleblower Mordechai Vanunu, center, sits before a service inside the St. George Anglican Church in east Jerusalem Wednesday, April 21, 2004. Vanunu was released by Israeli authorities after serving 18 years for spilling Israel's nuclear secrets. Vanunu, who converted to Christianity in the 1980s, said he was mistreated because of his religion. Priests are unidentified. (AP Photo/Thomas Hartwell, Redux)

That's rather interesting. He's mistreated for he was a Christian in a Jewish society.

FatFat Bastard
04-22-2004, 09:51 PM
Originally posted by Ruthless4Life
That's rather interesting. He's mistreated for he was a Christian in a Jewish society.

BS

he also was a buddaist before,
he was punished for treason, not for his religion! Chrisians live freely in Israel
however people who engage
in espionage against a country that feed them, pay the price....

Starsky
04-22-2004, 09:54 PM
What about the Rosenbergs? They were executed for giving out nuclear secrets to Russia. The only people who thought they were patriots were Leftists, Marxists, and Communists.


The fact he only got 18 months for it is whats so surprising.

FatFat Bastard
04-22-2004, 09:58 PM
Originally posted by Starsky
What about the Rosenbergs? They were executed for giving out nuclear secrets to Russia. The only people who thought they were patriots were Leftists, Marxists, and Communists.


The fact he only got 18 months for it is whats so surprising.
years
not month

Starsky
04-22-2004, 10:00 PM
Originally posted by FatFat Bastard
years
not month


Thanks, my mistake! He would have been executed in the US for giving away nuclear secrets.

Psaturn
04-24-2004, 12:53 PM
Do you think there is a difference between giving nuclear secrets as Rosenbergs did to Russia as opposed to what Vanunu did which was to reveal evidences of nuclear programs in Israel to the British newspapers for $25,000 ? Giving nuclear secrets and giving nuclear evidences that one's country is producing nuclear weapons are quite different.

For example:

Coca Cola formula is secret, right ? and If I had one and gave you one...that details how much corn syrup to how much flavor of the cola and the source of the cola and the caffeine and phosphoric acid and all that, WELL THAT is giving you a secret formula which YOU CAN MAKE AN EXACT duplicate of Coca Cola !!!

However, if I showed you where it was made, took pictures of the factory, where the syrup goes, where the carbÝnated water is made but without revealing to you the exact formula of the Coca Cola...you still COULD NOT MAKE the Coca Cola duplicate !!!

You see the difference ?

TranceNRG
04-25-2004, 01:04 PM
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&ncid=736&e=7&u=/ap/20040425/ap_on_re_mi_ea/britain_israel_vanunu

FatFat Bastard
04-25-2004, 01:19 PM
Originally posted by TranceNRG
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&ncid=736&e=7&u=/ap/20040425/ap_on_re_mi_ea/britain_israel_vanunu

at least he has a good taste in music
i like to lisen to wegner myself.

omariok2
04-25-2004, 01:33 PM
Originally posted by FatFat Bastard

however people who engage
in espionage against a country that feed them, pay the price....

Lol what a way to put it...
do you mean to tell me that you truly beleive that what he did was espionage? im pretty sure you dont...if im wrong and you do however then i feel very sorry for you...because it means youre one hell of an unintelligent human being

selling secrets (NOT PHOTOS) of the nuclear program to countries that are enemies with israel would be espionage
he didnt do that though did he...he didnt secretley give information to the government of say libya, or egypt or iraq or whatever he gave photos to a newspaper which he knew would display them publicly to bring it to the worlds attention.
that is NOT espionage

spies dont put the secrets that they wish to sell in newspapers and get themselves caught...

dont gimme that bull about it being espionage, you know it wasnt..

FatFat Bastard
04-25-2004, 08:51 PM
Originally posted by omariok2
Lol what a way to put it...
do you mean to tell me that you truly beleive that what he did was espionage? im pretty sure you dont...if im wrong and you do however then i feel very sorry for you...because it means youre one hell of an unintelligent human being

selling secrets (NOT PHOTOS) of the nuclear program to countries that are enemies with israel would be espionage
he didnt do that though did he...he didnt secretley give information to the government of say libya, or egypt or iraq or whatever he gave photos to a newspaper which he knew would display them publicly to bring it to the worlds attention.
that is NOT espionage

spies dont put the secrets that they wish to sell in newspapers and get themselves caught...

dont gimme that bull about it being espionage, you know it wasnt..

O2
Letís put it this way
If Egypt was building a nuclear facility, in a secret location
And no one had an idea about it.

Everything is going fine until some monkey
Publishes photos of this project in the newspapers.

The results are
1. every is aware that such facility exist
2. everyone is aware of the location of this facility.

What if due to the information and the photos Israel bombs this place within a week.

What would you call this man and how would you categorize his actions?
Remember this is Egypt were taking about
such men harmed your contry...

now you undertand why i call him a spy?

omariok2
04-25-2004, 10:13 PM
nice try,but no.......
everyone already knew where it was if it existed (at the demona plant) they just didnt know if it existed for sure
Venunu just confirmed everyones beleif, he didnt tell anyone anything they didnt already suspect and he didtn reveal any information whatsoever he just brought it to everyones attention that the plant was in fact being used to make weapons thats all nothing more
nothing that wouldnt have happened without his information was now possible due to his photos

FatFat Bastard
04-26-2004, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by omariok2
nice try,but no.......
everyone already knew where it was if it existed (at the demona plant) they just didnt know if it existed for sure
Venunu just confirmed everyones beleif, he didnt tell anyone anything they didnt already suspect and he didtn reveal any information whatsoever he just brought it to everyones attention that the plant was in fact being used to make weapons thats all nothing more
nothing that wouldnt have happened without his information was now possible due to his photos

no
he revealed new and classified info...
at the time when the photos got published, no one had an idea about what was israel doing specifically.
" a description and photographs of Israel's Dimona reactor " he gave this info to potential enemys of a state of Israel..
I don't know what you call such action back home(egypt) but in Israel it is called spying.

omariok2
04-27-2004, 07:24 AM
Originally posted by FatFat Bastard
no
he revealed new and classified info...
at the time when the photos got published, no one had an idea about what was israel doing specifically.
" a description and photographs of Israel's Dimona reactor " he gave this info to potential enemys of a state of Israel..
I don't know what you call such action back home(egypt) but in Israel it is called spying.


omfg :rolleyes:
ok you seem to be having trouble understanding what im saying so ill put it as simply as possible....
after the publication of those photos, people who would have wished to bomb israels nuclear facility WERE NO BETTER OFF THAN THEY WERE BEFORE THE RELEASE OF THE PHOTOS...
everyone knew where it was if it did exist (at the demona plant) its just that people werent sure if it existed or not
the only thing those photos did was prove that it does exist its not like seeing photos of the reactor would have made it easier to bomb

and for gods sakes stop calling him a spy, you seem to be doing it just to try and contradict me, and thats being chilidsh
how many spies do you know that reveal openly that theyre giving away information(which is what he did by giving it to a newspaper and not doing it anonymously)

spies dont do that, spies tend to do things covertly in the hopes of getting away with it, therefore that makes him NOT a spy..

FatFat Bastard
04-27-2004, 03:50 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by omariok2
[B]omfg :rolleyes:
ok you seem to be having trouble understanding what im saying so ill put it as simply as possible....
after the publication of those photos, people who would have wished to bomb israels nuclear facility WERE NO BETTER OFF THAN THEY WERE BEFORE THE RELEASE OF THE PHOTOS...
everyone knew where it was if it did exist (at the demona plant) its just that people werent sure if it existed or not
the only thing those photos did was prove that it does exist its not like seeing photos of the reactor would have made it easier to bomb

a. if you are not sure if it exists or not
you don't bomb the place. (you try to find out for certain and then decide what to do about it.) this is called "gathering inteligence"
he did this job for them. they did not have to send spys to get this info. he published the photos confirming the existence
which is consider spying and reveling classified info to the enemy.

what about this you don't seem to understand?

Starsky
04-27-2004, 08:04 PM
Originally posted by FatFat Bastard
O2
Let’s put it this way
If Egypt was building a nuclear facility, in a secret location
And no one had an idea about it.

Everything is going fine until some monkey
Publishes photos of this project in the newspapers.

The results are
1. every is aware that such facility exist
2. everyone is aware of the location of this facility.

What if due to the information and the photos Israel bombs this place within a week.

What would you call this man and how would you categorize his actions?
Remember this is Egypt were taking about
such men harmed your contry...

now you undertand why i call him a spy?



If some guy tried this with Egypt/Iran/Syria/most Arab countries, you can bet not only would he die, but most of his family would be imprisoned and/or murdered. You can also bet, that the usual anti-Israel protestors, hypocritically, wouldn't say a word.


This is all the more hypocritcal considering how evil the governments of some of those nations are, and how much greater the punishments would be.

FatFat Bastard
04-27-2004, 08:47 PM
Originally posted by Starsky
If some guy tried this with Egypt/Iran/Syria/most Arab countries, you can bet not only would he die, but most of his family would be imprisoned and/or murdered. You can also bet, that the usual anti-Israel protestors, hypocritically, wouldn't say a word.


This is all the more hypocritcal considering how evil the governments of some of those nations are, and how much greater the punishments would be.

i agree with you on this one.

omariok2
04-28-2004, 02:57 AM
Originally posted by Starsky
If some guy tried this with Egypt/Iran/Syria/most Arab countries, you can bet not only would he die, but most of his family would be imprisoned and/or murdered.

Now youre just being stupid
theres a difference between the way iraq was under sadam (in which case, yes thats probably right) and the rest of the arab world
you dont know anything about any arab countries so please stop talking out of your ass and posting garbage like that