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Poor Excuse
04-14-2004, 10:55 PM
ive read and heard from numerous places that we are going to war with china by the year 2010.. and it will be a great war..

is this why Bush is preparing a draft?.. and do we even have a chance against a billion people?

the thought of going to war against someone like China is very frightening :(

Ruthless4Life
04-14-2004, 10:58 PM
Originally posted by Poor Excuse
ive read and heard from numerous places that we are going to war with china by the year 2010.. and it will be a great war..

is this why Bush is preparing a draft?.. and do we even have a chance against a billion people?

the thought of going to war against someone like China is very frightening :(

$20 saids no.

I'd say not yet as China is in no position for war. Give it another 20 years. China's technology is still atleast 10 years behind the US, but is catching up.

dave22
04-14-2004, 10:59 PM
Originally posted by Poor Excuse
ive read and heard from numerous places that we are going to war with china by the year 2010.. and it will be a great war..

is this why Bush is preparing a draft?.. and do we even have a chance against a billion people?

the thought of going to war against someone like China is very frightening :(

WTF???? Where did you hear this?? We kind of have a nice relationship with China right now, 60% of their imports are from the US, and their kids make nice products for us in their sweatshops.

So why the **** will there be a war with China in 2010??

milo34
04-14-2004, 11:08 PM
if there is a (hot) war b/t rival superpowers with nukes i wonder if they'll be used?

*use of word 'hot' to differentiate b/t 'cold' war where there was no physical conflict b/t u.s and russian forces. (though proxy wars were fought)

supergarr
04-14-2004, 11:09 PM
Originally posted by dave22
and their kids make nice products for us in their sweatshops.


hahaha :p

aserecuba
04-14-2004, 11:28 PM
Originally posted by dave22
their kids make nice products for us in their sweatshops.


cruel but funny nonetheless.

Poor Excuse
04-14-2004, 11:38 PM
Originally posted by dave22
WTF???? Where did you hear this?? We kind of have a nice relationship with China right now, 60% of their imports are from the US, and their kids make nice products for us in their sweatshops.

So why the **** will there be a war with China in 2010??

i was told china and north korea both want taiwan.. but the only thing stopping them is the US..

also we are poised for war with North Korea very very soon (they recently said US is pushing north korea on the brink of nuclear war)..

us going to war with north korea would start a world war.. china obviously would not side with the US.. they would side with their friends North Korea

a great war is imminent and inevitable.. there hasnt been a great war in about 40 years

no one stays in power forever.. this is a fact

milo34
04-14-2004, 11:48 PM
Originally posted by Poor Excuse
1. a great war is imminent and inevitable..



2. no one stays in power forever.. this is a fact

1. not sure about that. any more links would be appreciated.

2. yes that is definitely a fact. u.s power and influence has declined recently but i don't think they'll be toppled as lone superpower any time soon.

Poor Excuse
04-15-2004, 12:05 AM
check out this link.. very interesting..

http://www.rense.com/general50/bej.htm

Ironhorse_m87
04-15-2004, 01:57 AM
i really hope there will never be a nuclear war ever.

AnotherScorpion
04-15-2004, 03:07 AM
America can kick little countries asses like Afghanistan and Iraq, I doubt they have the guts to do that with China...be real bro!

The.Giant
04-15-2004, 03:36 AM
If it does happen i pray to god that nukes aren't used.

I do believe that America would own china and the war would be over in less than a year.

The US army is huge, and as long as they keep it that way and they remain allies with the British and us canucks they'll run the world.

Bush is already working on the defense shield that would protect the US from enemy nukes (holy crap, did i just say bush is doing something right!?!?).

Ruhanv
04-15-2004, 03:37 AM
This is total and utter speculation. The relationship with China can go one of two ways. The Chinese economy is currently outgrowing anything in the West and in the next decade we will see the immergence of the next global superpower. The US will allign itself with China (Bush has already stepped away from wholehearted support for Taiwan) in a trade and military capacity. China will most likely start to relax their communist policies towards a more socialistic system with possible democratic elements. If this happens then war as such will be avoidable.

If N. Korea pre-empts a nuclear war, all of the above could change and a possible world war could erupt. Einstein was once asked what weapons will be used in World war 3. He replied that he did not know but was sure that World war 4 will be fought with sticks and stones...

Heavily Armed
04-15-2004, 07:35 AM
I saw a report awhile back, a BBC story on a Chinese military exercise. The Chinese that were interviewed said they were preparing for an inevitable war with the U.S. In China, like North Korea, the U.S. is demonized by constant propaganda to the population. Much like we and the Soviets did to each other during the Cold War. Whether this is an actual opinion of the rulers of those two countries or a way to keep the populations controlled by the perception of a common threat is debateable. The U.S. military is spread thin all across the world. A sudden, major war would prove to be hard for us to fight, currently. Of course, such a war would be costly for both sides and we, being a nuclear power, ups the ante. But there have always been madmen in power with a lust to achieve world conquest. All it takes is one unbalanced mind to be willing to take the risk and attack. Escalation then becomes a matter survival. For example, if the North Koreans attacked in mass across the DMZ, we have only 37,000 troops stationed there to defend. We would have to use tactical nuclear strikes to repulse the attack and keep the South from being overrun. Our troops would have to fall back or be destroyed.

The possibility of a future war with China should not be dismissed, out of hand.

JigaroKagan
04-15-2004, 08:17 AM
Originally posted by Poor Excuse

a great war is imminent and inevitable.. there hasnt been a great war in about 40 years

no one stays in power forever.. this is a fact

You're very wrong about China siding with NK. To begin with, China is the top mediator in the conflict between NK and the US, and they're in great favor of the US. What national interest does allying with NK serve China? Absolutely none! Who would want to ally a highly unstable destitute nation being headed by a psychopathic totalitarian hellbent on terrorizing the world?

The facts are that China is wholly dependant on the US for it's economic success. Without us, China would crumble and fall. Not only that, but the US and China are bound to become even more entangled economically. Why bite the hand that feeds you?

Ruhanv
04-15-2004, 08:42 AM
Originally posted by JigaroKagan
You're very wrong about China siding with NK. To begin with, China is the top mediator in the conflict between NK and the US, and they're in great favor of the US. What national interest does allying with NK serve China? Absolutely none! Who would want to ally a highly unstable destitute nation being headed by a psychopathic totalitarian hellbent on terrorizing the world?

The facts are that China is wholly dependant on the US for it's economic success. Without us, China would crumble and fall. Not only that, but the US and China are bound to become even more entangled economically. Why bite the hand that feeds you?

I tend to agree with the above. They are economically co-dependant and as long as this relationship remains mutually beneficial, there will be no war as such.

Poor Excuse
04-15-2004, 10:24 AM
Originally posted by JigaroKagan
You're very wrong about China siding with NK. To begin with, China is the top mediator in the conflict between NK and the US, and they're in great favor of the US. What national interest does allying with NK serve China? Absolutely none! Who would want to ally a highly unstable destitute nation being headed by a psychopathic totalitarian hellbent on terrorizing the world?

The facts are that China is wholly dependant on the US for it's economic success. Without us, China would crumble and fall. Not only that, but the US and China are bound to become even more entangled economically. Why bite the hand that feeds you?

do not believe everything you see on foxnews :rolleyes:

JigaroKagan
04-15-2004, 10:44 AM
Originally posted by Poor Excuse
do not believe everything you see on foxnews :rolleyes:

Is that all you have for a rebuttal? If so, leave this section immediately.

Pericles
04-15-2004, 11:39 AM
China has at least 20 ICBMs that can annihilate an equal number of American cities. It is currently modernizing its nuclear forces both qualititatively (increased accuracy and MIRV technology) and quantitatively (more missiles), the result being its ability to destroy more American cities. Clearly the US has more than enough ICBMs to nuke China into the stone age. This fact means that conventional war between the two will be a feckless option, as any benefits that may be reaped from a war between the two will quicly be outweighed by the costs of nuclear annihilation. The only hope for America to get out of this predicament is for a robust missile defense architecture to be able to confidently destroy incoming Chinese warheads. And even then, America would still have to contend with China in a brutal war of attrition against China's more than 1 billion people. Our best hope in which to defeat China is a cold war style long and patient policy of containment akin to the one the US succesfully employed against the Soviets.

Soviet
04-15-2004, 01:41 PM
Some dude said that China is 10 years at least behind well that is bull****. Look at China now they are buying rockets and Migs from Russia , those dudes are getting very well advansed and are very strong to challenge because of the equipment they bought.
There is a book called " Bible Code" in that book it says that we will have a world war 3 soon. The scary bit is that that guy who wrote it Michael Drosnin predicted the death of an Israeli prime minister Rabin and that happened to be true that year he even phoned him wrote to him and tryed to make reports :) go search for it ( i think its amazing )
China will have problems with the US soon over one of the countryes so lets wait and see.


OH, IN THE BOOK IT ALSO MENTIONS THAT US WILL WITNESS THE GREATEST DISASTER WHEN NEW YORK WILL BLOW IN THE YEAR 2004. I AM NOT LYING CHECK THE BOOK OUT ITS CALLED " THE BIBLE CODE "

Jcfreak_02
04-15-2004, 02:00 PM
Ummm I will vote no on that... why would we?

Soviet
04-15-2004, 02:04 PM
US has its stations there now imagine some chinese citizen telling you to piss of there territory :)

*** NO RACIAL SLURS ***

Ruthless4Life
04-15-2004, 02:46 PM
Originally posted by Soviet
Some dude said that China is 10 years at least behind well that is bull****. Look at China now they are buying rockets and Migs from Russia , those dudes are getting very well advansed and are very strong to challenge because of the equipment they bought.


They are 10 years behind therefore they have to buy their technology from other countries and do not have the technology to create their own yet. If they are advanced enough to challenge the US, your argument would mean that Russia's technology is advanced enough to challenge the US. That, sir, is bull****.

Even the techology they bought are not exactly at the level of the current US level.

"Bull****?" :rolleyes:

Implying China is just as advanced as the US is bull****.

supergarr
04-15-2004, 02:51 PM
we can easily **** with chinas economy. I think the US has done this before by making counterfeit foreign currency and putting it in the market

CerealKiller
04-15-2004, 02:52 PM
They're a dictatorship. It's our duty to invade.

Ruhanv
04-15-2004, 03:10 PM
You could invade China and bomb them to kingdom come. Do me a favour, take off your MLB cap and look where its' made. The whole US economy is so strong because because China is a dictatorship. It might make you sleep better not thinking about it but in order for you to pay $30 for a pair of Levis' it has to be produced in a country where the wages are virtually non existant. Why do you think that virtually every president you have had over the last 50 years has refused to knock China and its' human rights policies? Because their tiranical system ensures your quality of life. Kinda ****ty.

You guys don't live in a vacuum and the US economy is completely co-dependant with that of the rest of the world.

CerealKiller
04-15-2004, 03:15 PM
Excellent post Ruhanv.

Snoopis
04-15-2004, 07:39 PM
Ruhanv, you should be a screen-writer for the show "Sliders." :)


Originally posted by Soviet
There is a book called " Bible Code" in that book it says that we will have a world war 3 soon. The scary bit is that that guy who wrote it Michael Drosnin predicted the death of an Israeli prime minister Rabin and that happened to be true that year he even phoned him wrote to him and tryed to make reports :) go search for it ( i think its amazing )
China will have problems with the US soon over one of the countryes so lets wait and see.


OH, IN THE BOOK IT ALSO MENTIONS THAT US WILL WITNESS THE GREATEST DISASTER WHEN NEW YORK WILL BLOW IN THE YEAR 2004. I AM NOT LYING CHECK THE BOOK OUT ITS CALLED " THE BIBLE CODE "


Is that the book that finds random messages/predictions written in "code" in the bible that would be 'impossible' to be coincidence? If it is, I saw a show about that on TLC or something, and they looked at books like Moby Dick and found similar messages. It's pure chance. There is no "Bible Code."

irpker
04-15-2004, 10:57 PM
Originally posted by Ruhanv
You could invade China and bomb them to kingdom come. Do me a favour, take off your MLB cap and look where its' made. The whole US economy is so strong because because China is a dictatorship. It might make you sleep better not thinking about it but in order for you to pay $30 for a pair of Levis' it has to be produced in a country where the wages are virtually non existant. Why do you think that virtually every president you have had over the last 50 years has refused to knock China and its' human rights policies? Because their tiranical system ensures your quality of life. Kinda ****ty.

You guys don't live in a vacuum and the US economy is completely co-dependant with that of the rest of the world.

China is actually under a totalitarian regime, not a dictatorship. A central authority directs the what, how and for whom aspect of production. It's far from that now and is actually embracing free-market principles. The US economy has long been strong way before trade negotations with China my friend; you should give us Americans more credit then that.

You obviously don't know how trade works. We can make Levi's here at home, but our OPPORTUNITY COST is far greater the laborers in china. Ever heard of comparative advantage. Simple economic trade logic will tell you that when nations or individuals with lower opportunity costs, performing the same exact service or producing the same product, the entity with the LOWER opportunity cost should engage in that activity. Why produce jeans when you can produce jumbo jets?

Also, it would be hypocritical to blast the Chinese for using prison labor to produce goods. Convicts in America pick up littler, chop weeds, and do other maintenance tasks along America's highways. Many states use convicts to produce license plates.

Al_Bundy
04-15-2004, 11:15 PM
Originally posted by Poor Excuse
do not believe everything you see on foxnews :rolleyes:

Don't believe everything you read on websites either :rolleyes:

Al_Bundy
04-15-2004, 11:20 PM
Originally posted by irpker
China is actually under a totalitarian regime, not a dictatorship. A central authority directs the what, how and for whom aspect of production. It's far from that now and is actually embracing free-market principles. The US economy has long been strong way before trade negotations with China my friend; you should give us Americans more credit then that.

You obviously don't know how trade works. We can make Levi's here at home, but our OPPORTUNITY COST is far greater the laborers in china. Ever heard of comparative advantage. Simple economic trade logic will tell you that when nations or individuals with lower opportunity costs, performing the same exact service or producing the same product, the entity with the LOWER opportunity cost should engage in that activity. Why produce jeans when you can produce jumbo jets?

Also, it would be hypocritical to blast the Chinese for using prison labor to produce goods. Convicts in America pick up littler, chop weeds, and do other maintenance tasks along America's highways. Many states use convicts to produce license plates.

Exactly. Its an economic matter, and there is no way the US will sever its ties with China because the US - and many countries around the world that may or may not benefit the US - all depend on China to produce commodities. If the comparative advantage of purchasing stuff produced in China is greater than producing stuff in your home country, you don't give a **** about human rights - you purchase the stuff from the nation in which it is cheapest to buy the stuff.

Many people are born into poverty and they make **** for us whilst being paid ridiculously low wages in order for us to live a better life - big deal. Are you really going to go without your quality of life just so some people may get a better quality of life? You'll say yes now - but actually do it and see what you think.

A Username
04-15-2004, 11:43 PM
Does anyone here know what a ocean is? Specifically the Pacific Ocean. Now oceans are policed by groups called the NAVY. Now whose country has the most devolped NAVY? Yes, that would be the United States of America.

Make no mistake about it. The this so called coming war will be held in China. The United States doesn't **** where they eat. What good is a billion man army if there stuck fighting on there own land?

Why would China go on the offensive when they can't move there troops? Now with a gun ho cowboy like Bush for president we may give them a reason to start a war. But really there navy is ****. But I could be wrong.

Al_Bundy
04-16-2004, 12:01 AM
Originally posted by A Username
Does anyone here know what a ocean is? Specifically the Pacific Ocean. Now oceans are policed by groups called the NAVY. Now whose country has the most devolped NAVY? Yes, that would be the United States of America.

Make no mistake about it. The this so called coming war will be held in China. The United States doesn't **** where they eat. What good is a billion man army if there stuck fighting on there own land?

Why would China go on the offensive when they can't move there troops? Now with a gun ho cowboy like Bush for president we may give them a reason to start a war. But really there navy is ****. But I could be wrong.

What? What in the hell difference does the Navy make?

BTW - I don't believe that International waters are that heavily policed - and the Navy has no right to police International waters.

irpker
04-16-2004, 12:42 AM
Originally posted by Al_Bundy
Exactly. Its an economic matter, and there is no way the US will sever its ties with China because the US - and many countries around the world that may or may not benefit the US - all depend on China to produce commodities. If the comparative advantage of purchasing stuff produced in China is greater than producing stuff in your home country, you don't give a **** about human rights - you purchase the stuff from the nation in which it is cheapest to buy the stuff.

Many people are born into poverty and they make **** for us whilst being paid ridiculously low wages in order for us to live a better life - big deal. Are you really going to go without your quality of life just so some people may get a better quality of life? You'll say yes now - but actually do it and see what you think.


Free trade benefits everyone (well-almost), despite anti-corporation and trade critics. The issue is with the totalitarian regime in China. That's why the people live in the ****. It's not America's fault nor is it America's role to change the world, despite Bush's message to bring liberty to the world. American trade sanctions will be marginally effective, and hurt the chinese, because American can surely find another willing partner to exchange goods, labor, and services.

irpker
04-16-2004, 12:43 AM
Originally posted by Al_Bundy
What? What in the hell difference does the Navy make?

BTW - I don't believe that International waters are that heavily policed - and the Navy has no right to police International waters.

Rofl, read about world war 1 and 2. Or more specifically, the "Battle Of the Atlantic"

Al_Bundy
04-16-2004, 12:55 AM
Originally posted by irpker
Free trade benefits everyone (well-almost), despite anti-corporation and trade critics. The issue is with the totalitarian regime in China. That's why the people live in the ****. It's not America's fault nor is it America's role to change the world, despite Bush's message to bring liberty to the world. American trade sanctions will be marginally effective, and hurt the chinese, because American can surely find another willing partner to exchange goods, labor, and services.

I agree totally.

Ruhanv
04-16-2004, 03:49 AM
Free trade actually does not benefit everyone. If anything it actually only benefits the minority of those involved. The fact that the World Bank and IMF are primarily controlled by the US does not promote fair trade policies. We seem to be getting confused between Free and Fair trade.

t0mmy
04-16-2004, 03:52 AM
Originally posted by Poor Excuse
the thought of going to war against someone like China is very frightening :(

i'm sure the citizens of China feel the same way about going to war with the all powerful stars and stripes!

LethalOnGuitarZ
04-16-2004, 04:17 AM
Originally posted by Poor Excuse

no one stays in power forever.. this is a fact

Yes, exactly.

Everytime I make that point, I get the same stupid replies like: 'Oh, but it's the modern age now, we're so good we'll stay like this forever', or 'But America is different to everyone else, we'll never not be a superpower'.

It's gonna happen. Question is...when?

supergarr
04-16-2004, 04:23 AM
Originally posted by LethalOnGuitarZ
It's gonna happen. Question is...when?

when the sun expands

Ruhanv
04-16-2004, 05:59 AM
Originally posted by LethalOnGuitarZ
Yes, exactly.

Everytime I make that point, I get the same stupid replies like: 'Oh, but it's the modern age now, we're so good we'll stay like this forever', or 'But America is different to everyone else, we'll never not be a superpower'.

It's gonna happen. Question is...when?

To be honest, the above is a stupid reply as well. Superpowers don't have to fall through military force but can implode economically or diplomatically. There is the point that if a Superpower is overthrown militarily, that all opposing forces will be wiped out in the process as well. We will be a third world planet in a period of weeks. This military stalemate ensures that it does not escalate, just as during the cold war. The only possiblity is if a rogue nation such as N Korea start a war, but even in that situation, China might side with the US.

Ak47
04-16-2004, 03:02 PM
Originally posted by LethalOnGuitarZ
Yes, exactly.

Everytime I make that point, I get the same stupid replies like: 'Oh, but it's the modern age now, we're so good we'll stay like this forever', or 'But America is different to everyone else, we'll never not be a superpower'.

It's gonna happen. Question is...when?

bump.

its not like america was the first super power to "own the world" as some might like to say; look at mesopotamia, rome, and england; all these were at one time the greatest powers in the world, and stayed that way for hundreds of years. Do you honestly think that after a couple hundred they were saying, "well have fun while it lasts, we wont be this great forever." No! They thought they would be that way forever-"times have changed," "but were different from everyone else." We are still only a two-hundred and thirty year old nation, it may not be in our lifetime, but it will happen.

Ruhanv
04-16-2004, 03:41 PM
I did not take LethalonGuitarz's point to mean that US supremacy will simply come to an end but rather that it will happen through a war with China specifically. If I misunderstood it, then I do apologise.

Russia fell without a full war and the US will probably go the same route. China is currently purely dependant on the US but will eventually outgrow the US economically and as such militarily. This economic growth will give it a much bigger say within the IMF and World bank, who operate on a one dollar one vote system. Most people probably missed it but the Chinese economy finally outgrew the British economy for the first time this week. Obviously the US economy is significantly larger but it is inevitable. Many political analysts are now saying that in the next 50 years, Chinese and Hindi (spoken in India) will be the primary world languages.

Time to take up those language classes! :D

Jimineye
04-16-2004, 03:48 PM
Originally posted by Ruhanv
I did not take LethalonGuitarz's point to mean that US supremacy will simply come to an end but rather that it will happen through a war with China specifically. If I misunderstood it, then I do apologise.

Russia fell without a full war and the US will probably go the same route. China is currently purely dependant on the US but will eventually outgrow the US economically and as such militarily. This economic growth will give it a much bigger say within the IMF and World bank, who operate on a one dollar one vote system. Most people probably missed it but the Chinese economy finally outgrew the British economy for the first time this week. Obviously the US economy is significantly larger but it is inevitable. Many political analysts are now saying that in the next 50 years, Chinese and Hindi (spoken in India) will be the primary world languages.

Time to take up those language classes! :D


Mandarin is the most spoken language in the world.

Ruhanv
04-16-2004, 03:52 PM
Originally posted by Jimineye
Mandarin is the most spoken language in the world.

It is but this is prediction on where the world will be in 50 years time. Mandarin is also only the most spoken language as a first language but primarily confined to region. English and Spanish are currently the most widely understood languages across the globe.

Jimineye
04-16-2004, 03:56 PM
Originally posted by Ruhanv
It is but this is prediction on where the world will be in 50 years time. Mandarin is also only the most spoken language as a first language but primarily confined to region. English and Spanish are currently the most widely understood languages across the globe.

Yeah, I wasn't sure if you were just referring to a primary language.

wscranston
04-16-2004, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by Snoopis


Is that the book that finds random messages/predictions written in "code" in the bible that would be 'impossible' to be coincidence? If it is, I saw a show about that on TLC or something, and they looked at books like Moby Dick and found similar messages. It's pure chance. There is no "Bible Code."

Yes but in Moby Dick all it said was that New York would be doused by a giant whale.

The translation came out to something like:

In 20 centuries plus four
In the city of the empire
Spout from the leviathan
Will soak the square of times.

Eerie, no?

Al_Bundy
04-16-2004, 09:41 PM
Originally posted by wscranston
Yes but in Moby Dick all it said was that New York would be doused by a giant whale.

The translation came out to something like:

In 20 centuries plus four
In the city of the empire
Spout from the leviathan
Will soak the square of times.

Eerie, no?

You're right - no. Anyone can make up anything. If you take the first letter of word one of a page, the second and twenty fifth letter of the fourth and the three hundred and ninth of page three of the old Testament, you could probably spell '****'. Bet you never thought you'd see that in the Bible.

The Kurgan
04-17-2004, 06:51 AM
The Bible Code, noun: A code divulged from a book written by a variety of different people over centuries, many of whom had never heard of one another.

It's one thing to accept the Bible as a valuable resource in the understanding of life and morality, but to believe it can be used to predict the future... Well...

JohnnyLaw
04-17-2004, 07:22 AM
Actually you guys can take from this what you will-

I have an old friend in military intel(I know- contadiction) and he says that pretty much he is under the impressions that we will be facing WW3 by 2010!! We were talking about it the other day. He spends most of his days interpreting reports from China. Both America and China are actively spying on each other. Not passively, ACTIVELY. However the war will be fought in China. And we dont really have to worry about Nuclear weapons as was mentioned earlier the Navy will post up in the Pacific and they will act as interceptors. Nuclear fallout yes- nuclear bombs no. That doesnt help me sleep but at least Ill die slow.

Of course this will change no ones minds. Just a point. Good discussing guys.

drags
04-17-2004, 07:58 AM
US analysts and military officials are discussing a possible war with China i believe over Taiwan in between 2010 - 2020. Possible nuclear war.

But with CHina being communist and USA being capitalist. China is already in favour of winning. CHina just needs to impose sanctions and there goes the American economy. If America imposes sanctions of CHina they have more of a chance to survive it because they are communist and can adapt more easily.

No one would like to see that war because it will probly be a war that will involve everyone and probably have billions of casualties.

JohnnyLaw
04-17-2004, 08:03 AM
Oh yeah push the mpst powerful military into a corner. Economic collapse and the sirens will wail and we will all be fighting in China for 10 years. It would be dumb to screw the economy because the states will only be able to fight. They will have no choice.

Person
04-17-2004, 08:12 AM
Originally posted by drags
US analysts and military officials are discussing a possible war with China i believe over Taiwan in between 2010 - 2020. Possible nuclear war.

But with CHina being communist and USA being capitalist. China is already in favour of winning. CHina just needs to impose sanctions and there goes the American economy. If America imposes sanctions of CHina they have more of a chance to survive it because they are communist and can adapt more easily.

No one would like to see that war because it will probly be a war that will involve everyone and probably have billions of casualties.

What the hell are you talking about? Most of China's imports are from the US, while the US's leading trade partner is Canada. Communists winning a modern war? I think not.... (Where's the technology???)

drags
04-17-2004, 08:20 AM
Communists can easily win a modern war. Eg the general idea that soviet technology was dated and old was not true most of their military equipment was far superior to USA's, their submarines were years ahead, so were their nuclear and missile technologies.
If the war between China and USA is planned for the next 10 years. It will give plenty of time for China to prepare and get their army up to scratch.
CHina's got so many people that they could probly win the war with knifes.

Person
04-17-2004, 08:26 AM
Originally posted by drags
Communists can easily win a modern war. Eg the general idea that soviet technology was dated and old was not true most of their military equipment was far superior to USA's, their submarines were years ahead, so were their nuclear and missile technologies.
If the war between China and USA is planned for the next 10 years. It will give plenty of time for China to prepare and get their army up to scratch.
CHina's got so many people that they could probly win the war with knifes.

Soviet technology, especially the tech. that China has is not superior to the US in any respect. You think their missile technology was superior????!?!? What about the cruise missile, smart bombs, etc.?

drags
04-17-2004, 08:29 AM
if the war is simply going to be fought by the air the USA will probly win due to their huge air force. But if its a full scale war china will practicly have to be nuked so that they can win.

Person
04-17-2004, 08:39 AM
The US can win in the air and in the sea. By land, there would simply be too many Chinese to make it realistic without seriously affecting civilians and without losing many American lives. China, however, could not even get a force to the US, so they would probably be playing the defensive since there would not be much of a way for them to go on the offensive.

Also, when did we start talking about by the air? You are going off-topic.

JohnnyLaw
04-17-2004, 08:43 AM
Im pretty sure the states wont be using any nuclear weapons. the outcry from the rest of the world would be to great. As I said in north america we have technology to defend against nuclear attack. Im not really worried about "conventional" nuclear warfare.

LethalOnGuitarZ
04-17-2004, 09:28 AM
Originally posted by JohnnyLaw
Im pretty sure the states wont be using any nuclear weapons. the outcry from the rest of the world would be to great. As I said in north america we have technology to defend against nuclear attack. Im not really worried about "conventional" nuclear warfare.
Do you? Don't get me wrong I'm not saying you don't have the technology, I'm just curious as to what you'd use to defend yourselves from a nuclear weapon...

dave22
04-17-2004, 09:34 AM
LOL!!!! Some of you just crack me up. What's China going to do that's going to start WW3. And World Wars are usually fought by multiple nations, not just two. So what's China going to do to start this war?? Attack it's neighbor in the west, India?? How about the North, Russia?? N. Korea is it's bitch, so their not going to invade N. Korea. So what pray tell, are they going to do??

JohnnyLaw
04-17-2004, 09:42 AM
You intercept nuclear weapons before they reach your continent. Im trained with the equipment to do so although Canada doesnt own it right now. Im not worried.

LethalOnGuitarZ
04-17-2004, 10:25 AM
Originally posted by dave22
LOL!!!! Some of you just crack me up. What's China going to do that's going to start WW3. And World Wars are usually fought by multiple nations, not just two. So what's China going to do to start this war?? Attack it's neighbor in the west, India?? How about the North, Russia?? N. Korea is it's bitch, so their not going to invade N. Korea. So what pray tell, are they going to do??
I don't know what would trigger off WW3, but you said multiple nations are involved... well yes of course that's true. But what's so different about what could happen here to what happened in WW2? Germany starting being too aggressive and invading neighbouring countries, so then France declared war on them, sooner or later Britain joined in. Eventually nearly every European country had to choose a side for fear of being annihilated. Then Japan attacked the US, so then they got dragged on etc and it eventually became a World-wide War.

The same thing could easily happen here. If China does ever carry out some sort of act of aggression against the US or it's neighbouring countries, it's more than likely countries like Britain would side up with the US. And then China's bitches like N.Korea would side up with China, and so too would all the other south asain countries, bar maybe Japan.

Ruhanv
04-17-2004, 10:33 AM
Why on earth would China want to act agressively towards the US??? Its' whole economy is dependant on the US. The US will eventually no longer be a superpower but this will be through the rise in the Chinese and Indian economies and not through a military war.

Besides if war does happen, no one will win. The idea that the US navy can somehow block a nuclear attack is stupid. Not even the much hyped Star Wars projects can do that. If war errupts, everyone will lose.

JohnnyLaw
04-17-2004, 10:45 AM
You're ignorant. The entire purpose of tactical nukes was to intercept. Its quite obvious to me that you dont know what your talking about.





China launches nuke- nuke crosses ocean.
Radar picks up nuke. Navy is positioned in Pacific. Launches missile to "early detonate" warhead. Warhead is detonated in pacific nuclear fallout carried over North America. This cannot be done with 100 percent accuracy however it is with enough accuracy that I sleep fine.

weltall
04-17-2004, 02:55 PM
I read about one page of this thread and laughed and had to post this:

YOU MEAN OTHER COUNTRIES ARE PREPARING FOR WAR?!?!?!

YOU MEAN THE UNITED STATES MIGHT BE DRAWING UP PLANS FOR WAR WITH CHINA?!?!!?!?!?!?

come on people, let's be serious here, this is what governments do. They are supposed to think of the inevitable! This is common sense and good thinking if any of this horrible, most likely untrue speculation IS true. I mean "war with China by 2010"? Sometimes I wonder what the "youth" of America will grow up thinking, there's so much **** thrown around, so many conspiracy theories and not enough common sense to duel.

and to the moron who said north korea said the US is on the "brink of nuclear war":

listen you idiot, I read that article too (here it is for everyone else: http://sg.news.yahoo.com/040409/1/3jdy5.html) and you obviously don't know too much about north korea's past "tactics" called brinksmanship. They push and push and push to see who is going to falter first. As far as I'm concerned, if the US does get "nuked", **** everyone else. They will awaken total and utter hell and chaos onto them. I wouldn't mind dying if it meant the world was in complete **** because someone finally decided to REALLY **** with us.

JohnnyLaw
04-17-2004, 03:13 PM
Originally posted by weltall
I read about one page of this thread and laughed and had to post this:

YOU MEAN OTHER COUNTRIES ARE PREPARING FOR WAR?!?!?!

YOU MEAN THE UNITED STATES MIGHT BE DRAWING UP PLANS FOR WAR WITH CHINA?!?!!?!?!?!?

come on people, let's be serious here, this is what governments do. They are supposed to think of the inevitable!

Perhaps you should learn the meaning of inevitable before you delve into the realm of politcal commentary.

in·ev·i·ta·ble ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-v-t-bl)
adj.
Impossible to avoid or prevent. See Synonyms at certain.
Invariably occurring or appearing; predictable: the inevitable changes of the seasons

You just said the war with China will happen. Unless thats what you meant to say. You didnt really make sense.

Soviet
04-17-2004, 04:29 PM
I heared some brave birds saying that US will destroy China?
Gyes lets be realistic and none of the Rambo stuff. If there will be a war dont you think Mother Russia would join China since both of them countries have things in common ( both in economy and life ). Russia isnt that well advanced now in the army training but those Russian bastards still have soviet rockets like " TOPOL ".
Now " TOPOL " is a very old rocket which can destroy New York with no problems and it is still hard to detect when fired. Thinking that US has rockets as well the war would be catastrophic for both sides and really thats what will call in the bible an ACAPOLYPSE !!!!!

Im Russian born but i would fight for Britain since this country saved my muscular ass

Soviet
04-17-2004, 04:34 PM
Weltall , i like your bravery but dont be such a cool dude because that will affect your ass too. Lets say there is a future war , its the machines that will fight not us humans with rifles.

Willie_Bosket
04-18-2004, 05:12 AM
Originally posted by dave22
WTF???? Where did you hear this?? We kind of have a nice relationship with China right now, 60% of their imports are from the US, and their kids make nice products for us in their sweatshops.

So why the **** will there be a war with China in 2010??
Doesn't mean shyt, Russia and USA were allies during world war 2, then the Korean war came along.
But I doubt that their will be a war between the two by 2010.

OkiJake
04-18-2004, 06:54 AM
ROFLMAO

Unless China is suicidal there is no way in hell they would attack us. Only way they could hurt us is by nukes, and the likely hood of one making it to us is very low. Their gazillion man army can't do **** without transportation. Our AF and Navy will keep them in check. We would not just go dropping troops off in China to fight on the ground. Although we could probably kill them at atleast a 10:1 ratio it still would not make much sense.

LethalOnGuitarZ
04-18-2004, 07:50 AM
I think China could easily round up a host of countries to ally with to challenge the US's muscle power, mainly it's friends in South East Asia. Then we'll have World War III, but it won't be by 2010, probably give it about 20/30 years, then we may see a war break out...

Hey does anyone know what Chinese relations with Mongolia are like?

Person
04-18-2004, 07:59 AM
Originally posted by LethalOnGuitarZ
I think China could easily round up a host of countries to ally with to challenge the US's muscle power, mainly it's friends in South East Asia. Then we'll have World War III, but it won't be by 2010, probably give it about 20/30 years, then we may see a war break out...

Hey does anyone know what Chinese relations with Mongolia are like?

There are very few countries stupid enough to fight in a war opposite that of the US. What are their friends in south east asia going to do? Throw some ****ing rocks?

LethalOnGuitarZ
04-18-2004, 08:05 AM
Originally posted by Person
There are very few countries stupid enough to fight in a war opposite that of the US. What are their friends in south east asia going to do? Throw some ****ing rocks?
Er yes. I'm sure they'll throw rocks.

Yes, you're right, one country by itself would not be stupid enough to start a war with the US. But alot of them together I think would. I don't think there'll be a big war for some time to come but there is bound to be one, I mean we haven't had a World War for almost 50 years now... And anyway, Japan were stupid enough to attack the US by themselves, what makes you think another country won't do the same?

JigaroKagan
04-18-2004, 08:09 AM
Originally posted by Soviet
If there will be a war dont you think Mother Russia would join China since both

I wouldn't imagine Russia conceding to either side considering their economic ties with both.

Person
04-18-2004, 08:49 AM
Originally posted by LethalOnGuitarZ
Er yes. I'm sure they'll throw rocks.

Yes, you're right, one country by itself would not be stupid enough to start a war with the US. But alot of them together I think would. I don't think there'll be a big war for some time to come but there is bound to be one, I mean we haven't had a World War for almost 50 years now... And anyway, Japan were stupid enough to attack the US by themselves, what makes you think another country won't do the same?

Japan attacked the US before it was the lone super power in the world and before it knew its military capabilities! Do you think Japan would have still attacked knowing what they do now? I think not.....

dave22
04-18-2004, 09:45 AM
Originally posted by Person
Japan attacked the US before it was the lone super power in the world and before it knew its military capabilities! Do you think Japan would have still attacked knowing what they do now? I think not.....

BUMP on that, also Japan had herself a nice little empier and a Navy during that time.

Al_Bundy
04-18-2004, 09:32 PM
Originally posted by wscranston
In 20 centuries plus four
In the city of the empire
Spout from the leviathan
Will soak the square of times.

Eerie, no?

Actually, 20th century plus four - would that be 1904, given that this is the 21st century?

Jimineye
04-18-2004, 09:41 PM
Originally posted by Al_Bundy
Actually, 20th century plus four - would that be 1904, given that this is the 21st century? f


Most likely

Poor Excuse
04-18-2004, 10:00 PM
Originally posted by Al_Bundy
Actually, 20th century plus four - would that be 1904, given that this is the 21st century?

wrong.. we are in the 21st century.. but it has not been 2100 yrs

20 centuries equals 2000 years

+4

2004

danthaman669
04-19-2004, 02:30 AM
Well i doubt many other countries will side with China in this war thats "comming up". simply because there prolly scared ****less of us. look what happened when NY was attacked?? a year later we control 2 countries for that ****. i remember hearing we were about to fight pakistan for something but they backed down quick and let us bring in troops, etc. there in fear even if they allied up we could take out the small countries first then get china. this war wouldnt happen

fireman_x
04-19-2004, 09:47 AM
Originally posted by danthaman669
Well i doubt many other countries will side with China in this war thats "comming up". simply because there prolly scared ****less of us. look what happened when NY was attacked?? a year later we control 2 countries for that ****. i remember hearing we were about to fight pakistan for something but they backed down quick and let us bring in troops, etc. there in fear even if they allied up we could take out the small countries first then get china. this war wouldnt happen Yeah, China with a billion people and nukes is scared of us. :rolleyes: And if your definition of "controlling" is getting ambushed by insurgents everyday then your right, we do "control" two countries.

LethalOnGuitarZ
04-19-2004, 12:28 PM
Originally posted by Ruhanv
I did not take LethalonGuitarz's point to mean that US supremacy will simply come to an end but rather that it will happen through a war with China specifically. If I misunderstood it, then I do apologise
No problem. ;)

And that thing that was posted earlier:

In 20 centuries plus four
In the city of the empire
Spout from the leviathan
Will soak the square of times.

What's it supposed to mean? I'm thinking along the lines of either all out war from a mighty world empire, or a civil war.

Poor Excuse
04-21-2004, 04:11 PM
yup china is gonna nuke the US into submission... oreilly said they have atleast 5 atomic bombs and more then a thousand nuclear warheads

Saint 3:16
04-21-2004, 04:52 PM
A Billion Plus people don't mean SH!T if they can't fight for SH!T and their weapons and materials are the SH!T

Here's any interesting site everyone in this topic needs to look at though:

Military Spending:

http://www.photius.com/rankings/military_expenditures_dollar_figure_2003_0.html

Economy:

http://www.photius.com/rankings/gdp_2003_0.html

Exports:

http://www.photius.com/rankings/exports_2003_0.html

Imports:

http://www.photius.com/rankings/imports_2003_0.html

philhill4
04-23-2004, 02:13 AM
Granted if some assh*le in China were crazy enough they could launch a nuclear attack. The thing is that is all they could ever pull off. NO WAY IN HELL ANY OF THEIR 1BILLION PEOPLE WOULD EVER HIT OUR SHORES WITH WEAPONS. Now before anyone gets into 9/11 that is a terrorist attack and unless the Chinese were to start the war with some massive terrorist attack the thing is they could not invade us.

Any planes of theirs heading here would be shot down before they even made it to Hawaii. Any naval ships of theirs would be destroyed and left at the bottom of the Pacific. Our naval and air power are absolutely overwhelming to any and all countries including Russia. The only thing that protects either Russia or China is their nuclear arsenal and the fact that we are NOT outright evil f*cks.

China will never catch up to us. A simple rule to always remember is that whatever the pentagon claims we have and use now is stuff we have already had for at least 20 years. We at this time more than likely have weapons that would just boggle our minds.

Truth is if the entire world decided to ban together and take us on in a conventional war they would all lose and they all know it as well. Oh I can hear you all thinking, "well we can't keep them mexicans from crossing the border how the hell do we keep them all out". Simple, if the whole world declared war on us our borders would be completely sealed withing hours. Not a f*cking mouse would get passed us.

Oh and f*ck the draft. Any major declaration of war and I can guarantee you this country would rise the f*ck up. Millions would enlist within weeks.

Look we may all bicker, fight, argue and disagree alot at times but most of us know that feeling in our blood. We all watched on 9/11/2001 and for months and for some of us even till this day we would defend and protect each other. Seriously I strongly doubt an airplane will ever get successfully highjacked in this country ever again. America has a strength like no other and the rest of the world knows it.

So to finish off my little rant here, the bottom line is this, unless some suicidal maniac is running some country, no one is going to try and take us on in force like that. The only true threat we face today is terrorism and we will not stop until every single prick is dead.

The Kurgan
04-23-2004, 11:18 AM
Well, once the oil peak passes (which it may well have done) America will face massive depression. Just imagine for a second everything oil gets you- plastic, fuel, food...

" When a species exceeds it's vital resourecs, 90% of the population, even of the most resiliant and adaptable bacteria, die. " - My favourite High School Biology conclusion I made.

For more see http://www.peakoil.org.uk/ and take a look at " Will oil mean the end of America? "

What you won't hear on Advertising Channels (ie. pretty much all of them).

JigaroKagan
04-23-2004, 02:52 PM
Originally posted by The Kurgan
Well, once the oil peak passes (which it may well have done) America will face massive depression. Just imagine for a second everything oil gets you- plastic, fuel, food...

" When a species exceeds it's vital resourecs, 90% of the population, even of the most resiliant and adaptable bacteria, die. " - My favourite High School Biology conclusion I made.

For more see http://www.peakoil.org.uk/ and take a look at " Will oil mean the end of America? "

What you won't hear on Advertising Channels (ie. pretty much all of them).

That's absolute tripe. There are massive amounts of oil reserves in the world, specifically in Africa and Russia. Not only that, but we have a lot of untapped reserves in Alaska.

An oil peak won't occur in our lifetime.

Victorian guy
04-23-2004, 04:29 PM
Originally posted by Poor Excuse
ive read and heard from numerous places that we are going to war with china by the year 2010.. and it will be a great war..

is:(

LOL! Here is a perfect example of an internet pinhead- you heard from 'numerous places'...uh...could you perhaps post the LINKS so we can all laugh at the ridiculous sources you claim to have heard from, then at you for being stupid enough to believe everything you read on the net?!!!

kimsquit
04-05-2010, 09:30 AM
There is a book called " Bible Code" in that book it says that we will have a world war 3 soon. The scary bit is that that guy who wrote it Michael Drosnin predicted the death of an Israeli prime minister Rabin and that happened to be true that year he even phoned him wrote to him and tryed to make reports :) go search for it ( i think its amazing )
China will have problems with the US soon over one of the countryes so lets wait and see.


OH, IN THE BOOK IT ALSO MENTIONS THAT US WILL WITNESS THE GREATEST DISASTER WHEN NEW YORK WILL BLOW IN THE YEAR 2004. I AM NOT LYING CHECK THE BOOK OUT ITS CALLED " THE BIBLE CODE "I hope this guy ^^ kept the receipt for that book...

GrokTheCube
04-05-2010, 10:01 AM
i hope this guy ^^ kept the receipt for that book...

rofl

germanyt
04-05-2010, 11:34 AM
strong bump

laveyan
04-05-2010, 12:48 PM
Really bad idea considering their man and labor power. It would resort to a nuclear war or something even more devastating.

jagdishshah
04-05-2010, 01:08 PM
lol at the idea that china would risk war with a country that is one of their main export partners, where they recieve a good amount of foreign investment from and where they have invested (in bonds and assets) around a trillion (maybe more) dollars.

IMO bar some unforeseen calamity major and direct wars between superpowers or "great powers" is a thing of the past. (bold assumption I know). Globalization and interdependence of our economies is to thank for this.

Blindead
04-05-2010, 01:35 PM
People act like we haven't gone to war with China before. China knows if they started a war Russia, India, Taiwan and the US would be all over them like a fat kid on a piece of cake. Japan would likely ammend their Constitution or send defense force units to war as well under the guise of a peacekeeping mission or international intervention. The only people who would maybe help China would be North Korea, and I know people can't be stupid enough to think that just because NK has a big army that it's a serious threat. It can't even feed its own country, it's not really in any position to be invading anyone.

tk217
04-25-2010, 12:49 PM
jesus strong bump

nutsy54
04-25-2010, 12:52 PM
is this why Bush is preparing a draft?.. Damn that Bush, implementing a draft - and without even telling anyone about it! :rolleyes: