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Pericles
04-09-2004, 12:01 AM
While arguing with the other side is always a worthy endeavor in that it allows one to know one's enemy, it is always nice and comforting to discuss issues with like-minded fold. This thread has been created to this end. The aim is to provide a thread where conservatives/right-wingers/Republicans can come and discuss issues that are of importance and relevance to them without being bothered by whinny, complaining, conspiricist, communists/Democrats/left-wingers/etc. As I am the creator of this thread, I shall begin the discussion by putting forth my views on the war in Iraq. Feel free to continue the discussion of this topic, or feel free to bring up any other issue that you feel is worthy of dicussion.

And without any further ado...

I believe invading and subsequently occupying Iraq was/is right and just for at least the following reasons:

1)Eliminating the WMD threat that was thought to exist, and which may indeed still exist. In so doing, the potentiality of the Hussein regime using these weapons against America and America's friends and allies, as well as their falling into the hands of terrorists, has been eliminated.

2)Overthrowing a horrific dictator that has killed hundreds of thousands of his own people, his neighbors, and potentially Americans and America's friends and allies.

3)Exporting America's brilliant experiment in democracy to a region in which it is greatly needed. Should the experiment succeed in Iraq, it has the potential to spread to other countries in the region as the people living under oppressive governments see and desire the freedoms and liberties being experienced in Iraq. Challenges lay ahead to be sure. Many say that democracy is incompatible with Islam, especially as Muslim males would not want to grant women democratic rights and freedoms. However, the development of a democracy is an ever-evolving process as America's history clearly shows. There is hope.

4)Obtaining Iraq's vast oil resources, and in so doing, providing a market for a new and developing Iraq which will help the Iraqi people prosper and give them hope for a better future. As relations deteriorate with Saudi Arabia, it is of paramount importance that America find an alternate source of this limited resource. Furthermore, the acquisition of Iraqi oil will prevent potential enemies such as China, France, and Russia from gaining this vital resource.

Discuss.

Ruthless4Life
04-09-2004, 12:25 AM
Originally posted by Pericles
3)Exporting America's brilliant experiment in democracy to a region in which it is greatly needed. Should the experiment succeed in Iraq, it has the potential to spread to other countries in the region as the people living under oppressive governments see and desire the freedoms and liberties being experienced in Iraq. Challenges lay ahead to be sure. Many say that democracy is incompatible with Islam, especially as Muslim males would not want to grant women democratic rights and freedoms. However, the development of a democracy is an ever-evolving process as America's history clearly shows. There is hope.

4)Obtaining Iraq's vast oil resources, and in so doing, providing a market for a new and developing Iraq which will help the Iraqi people prosper and give them hope for a better future. As relations deteriorate with Saudi Arabia, it is of paramount importance that America find an alternate source of this limited resource. Furthermore, the acquisition of Iraqi oil will prevent potential enemies such as China, France, and Russia from gaining this vital resource.

Discuss.

I'm conservative, but, I'm not necessarily pro-Bush.

3) I'm not questioning the idea of trying to bring democracy to the Middle East. But, a similar experiment is being done already in Afghanistan, and before we (ISAF) even finished on establishing a stable regime there, Bush has begun another one.

4) How exactly is the oil helping the Iraqi people right now? How much money from the oil are the ordinary Iraqi citizens getting? Are US companies benefited more from the Iraqi oil, or the Iraqi people?

Pericles
04-09-2004, 12:33 AM
Originally posted by Ruthless4Life
4) How exactly is the oil helping the Iraqi people right now? How much money from the oil are the ordinary Iraqi citizens getting? Are US companies benefited more from the Iraqi oil, or the Iraqi people?

Its hardly been a year, give it time. Once things relatively stabilize and Iraq's oil infrastructure gets rebuilt, exports will flow out and the income will flow in.

Starsky
04-09-2004, 12:37 AM
Originally posted by Ruthless4Life
I'm conservative, but, I'm not necessarily pro-Bush.

3) I'm not questioning the idea of trying to bring democracy to the Middle East. But, a similar experiment is being done already in Afghanistan, and before we (ISAF) even finished on establishing a stable regime there, Bush has begun another one.

4) How exactly is the oil helping the Iraqi people right now? How much money from the oil are the ordinary Iraqi citizens getting? Are US companies benefited more from the Iraqi oil, or the Iraqi people?


Seeing as how the war cost $200,000,000,000 and Iraqs annual oil revenues are less than $7 billion, its safe to say the US is not "profiting" from oil revenues(your gas prices should be a giveaway). Also, just because Americans are working over there, doesn't mean the Iraqi's don't sell the oil. They sell the oil, we buy it....not the other way around(unless you envision Dick Cheney hanging out in a mansion in Baghdad drinking martini's and smoking a cigar next to his oil pool).


Saddam was a geopolitical threat the destabilized the Middle East, and sought WMD all while terrorists crisscrossed his country. In the post 9/11 world, the Clintonian "Status Quo" is unacceptable. Just like a Nuclear Iran and a Beligerant Kim Jong Il are unacceptable. They are arguably greater threats, but hey Saddam is gone.


At least its not some infantile liberal thread saying "Bush Lied, Men Died". Or "No Blood for Oil". The fact is both of these are non-partisanly retarded. The US did what it did to pre-empt Saddam from becoming the nearly inevitable threat that he would become. (Imagine Islamists running around with Chemical weapons). They also help to turn the Middle East out the Middle Ages and thus end many foreign policy threats. This is a noble, if somewhat unrealistic goal to acheive in a short timeframe. However it is possible provided the Iranian, Saudi, Saddamite, PLO, Syrian and Islamo-socialist regimes are cast down by their own people.

LetsJustTalk
03-02-2008, 12:48 PM
I'm conservative, but, I'm not necessarily pro-Bush. im a moderate