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mariners216
04-07-2004, 02:07 PM
HANNITY’S LIES ABOUT KERRY, DEBUNKED by Al Franken, with Tim Bradley and Ben Wikler

About a week ago on Hannity & Colmes, Sean Hannity spewed a litany of lies about John Kerry being a flip-flopper and tax raiser, lies that came directly from the Bush campaign. Oddly, Alan Colmes did not respond. So we will. Hannity said:

Here’s a guy that supported gay marriage, now against it. Here’s a guy that by my count has had six separate different unique positions on the war on Iraq. Here’s a guy that voted for the $87 billion to fund the war before he voted against it. Here’s a guy that was for the Patriot Act. Now against it. No Child Left Behind, for it, now against it. Here’s a guy that supported -- was against the death penalty for terrorists who kill Americans. Now he’s for it. The only thing he seems consistent on is that, throughout the 19 years he was in the Senate, he voted to raise taxes consistently 350 times. What does that tell us about a man that has no core values or principles?
Let’s take these one at a time.

Here’s a guy that supported gay marriage, now against it.
This is a lie. Kerry’s position has always been consistent on this. I disagree with him, but Kerry has always been against gay marriage. He is for civil unions. What Hannity is doing here is taking Kerry’s vote against the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act and deliberately misrepresenting it as a declaration in favor of gay marriage. But let me read you what Kerry said on the floor of the Senate about that vote.

"I will vote against this bill, though I am not for same-sex marriage, because I believe that this debate is fundamentally ugly, and it is fundamentally political, and it is fundamentally flawed….the results of this bill will not be to preserve anything, but will serve to attack a group of people out of various motives and rationales, and certainly out of a lack of understanding and a lack of tolerance, and will only serve the purposes of the political season."

And on that, I totally agree with him. So, for the record: Kerry has been totally consistent on this. He has never flip-flopped. Sean Hannity is lying, and he knows it.

Next.

Here’s a guy that by my count has had six separate different unique positions on the war on Iraq.
Okay. This is just stupid. Kerry’s position on Iraq has been totally consistent. Yes, he voted to authorize the president to use force against Iraq. But voted for that in order for Bush to go to the UN and get the inspectors back into Iraq, which was a genuine triumph. But, the president acted in bad faith. Here is what Kerry said about it on Face the Nation on September 14, 2003:
"The president promised he would go to war as a matter of last resort. He didn’t. The president promised he would build a coalition and work through the United Nations. He didn’t. We’re paying the price for the reckless way in which this president approached this. It’s a failure of diplomacy, and today it’s a failure of leadership."
Kerry was entirely consistent, and not only that, he was right.

Next.

Here’s a guy that voted for the $87 billion to fund the war before he voted against it.
This is correct, but it’s not a flip-flop. Kerry voted for an amendment to the Iraqi appropriations bill that would have paid for the $87 billion by taking it out of the tax cut for the extremely rich. That amendment lost, 57-42, because Bush insisted that the $87 billion be added to the deficit. As we discussed with Paul Krugman last week, never in the history of this country have we had tax cuts while we were at war. Not only that, but Paul Krugman told me that he has yet to find any civilization in the history of this planet that ever had a tax cut during a war.

After the amendment went down, Kerry did vote against the final $87 billion supplemental appropriation, as a protest against the way Bush got us into the war and is conducting it. But he knew that the troops would have the support, because the bill passed 87 to 12.

You can support our troops, and still protest the president. If you can’t hold those two ideas in your head, you won’t enjoy my show, and I suggest you switch over to Rush right now.

Next.

Here’s a guy that was for the Patriot Act. Now against it.
Well, here’s what Kerry said:
"I voted for the Patriot Act right after September 11th – convinced that – with a sunset clause – it was the right decision to make. It clearly wasn’t a perfect bill – and it had a number of flaws – but this wasn’t the time to haggle. It was the time to act.

"But George Bush and John Ashcroft abused the spirit of national action after the terrorist attacks. They have used the Patriot Act in ways that were never intended and for reasons that have nothing to do with terrorism. That’s why, as President, I will propose new anti-terrorism laws that advance the War on Terror while ending the assault on our basic rights."

In other words, he voted for the Patriot Act after 9/11, although he objected to parts of it. Bush has abused it in ways that were never intended by Congress when it was passed. If you can’t hold that in your head, you will love Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity.

Next.

No Child Left Behind, for it, now against it.
This is an easy one. On this one, like all the others, Kerry’s position is consistent, and principled, and Hannity’s is dishonest. Kerry voted for the bill, which the president promised to fund. The president didn’t fund it, which created unfunded mandates on states and school districts across this country. As a result, classroom sizes are getting bigger, after-school programs are being dropped, teachers are being fired, and education is getting worse. Everyone in education across this country will tell you that. No Child Left Behind is the most ironically named piece of legislation since the 1942 Japanese Family Leave Act.

Next.

Here’s a guy that supported -- was against the death penalty for terrorists who kill Americans. Now he’s for it.
Actually, Sean’s right on this one. Kerry was against the death penalty before 9/11. And after 9/11, he now supports the death penalty for terrorists. Now, Bush—before 9/11, wanted to invade Iraq. And after it, wanted to invade Iraq. So maybe he was more consistent. Kerry was affected viscerally by 9/11. I’m not sure I’d call that a flip-flop.

Next.

The only thing he seems consistent on is that, throughout the 19 years he was in the Senate, he voted to raise taxes consistently 350 times.
This is a disgraceful lie. It is a distortion of a phony statistic put out by the Bush campaign. The Bush campaign lists 350 of Kerry’s votes for, quote, “higher taxes.” Almost all of these are votes Kerry cast to leave taxes unchanged, such as a 1987 vote against a repeal of the “windfall profit” tax on oil. Taxes would have remained the same if his side had prevailed. In other words, this was a vote against an irresponsible tax cut for the rich.

Let me make a side note. We need to pay for the government. Someone’s got to pay for it. And if you cut taxes for the rich, the burden gets shifted to everyone else, or their children.

Bush’s list even includes votes that Kerry cast in favor of alternative Democratic tax cuts. On Bush’s list, there’s only one actual tax increase that Kerry voted for, which incidentally is counted twice. It’s his vote for Clinton’s 1993 Deficit Reduction Act, which raised taxes on the top 1% and cut taxes on people at the bottom, and was followed by eight years of unprecedented growth.

What does that tell us about a man that has no core values or principles?

The man who has no core values or principles here is a man named Sean Hannity. And you know who came up with all these lies? The campaign of a man named George W. Bush.

Look. The reason I took the time to go over all of this is you’re going to hear this garbage repeated over, and over, and over again from now until November. And we are not going to let them do it. We are not going to let them do to John Kerry what they did to Al Gore.

Kerry is not a flip-flopper. But Bush is a liar. And his shills in the media, like Sean Hannity and Bill O’Reilly and Rush Limbaugh—they’re liars too.

BuckWyld
04-07-2004, 02:37 PM
nice post

LordNeon
04-07-2004, 03:22 PM
Hannity's steady spew of bull****, which invariably comes straight from Bush's campaign propaganda, barely warrants a response.

supergarr
04-07-2004, 03:54 PM
Originally posted by BuckWyld
nice post

Kane Fan
04-08-2004, 11:00 PM
not entirely accurate

the Vote was to give him the power to go to war
not to threaten, but to give him the power
once the troops where there he voted against money to help fund them
that's definatly a flip flop
and if you don't wanna call it a flip flop you gotta call it SICK!
I know the Left is very fond of having troops go and do things w/out giving them what they need to do it bug enough is enough already

also about the Coalition, Liberals are really screwed on this one cus either way they try to argue thier point I own them.
Side 1.) Power of a country dosn't matter, thier vote in the U.N. is what does, ok I'm fine with this in that case the war in Iraq has a bigger coalition then the 91 gulf war.
side 2.) smaller countries with less military power shouldn't be considered as important as bigger more powerful countries when it comes to voting on wars, I'm fine here to cus the U.S.A. is obviously the most powerful single country in the world (read: last remaining superpower!) and when you add England to that, our votes would in that even carry
so the Left is totally owned on that point


to me voting agains the 87 billion at all was a mistake
once the troops are there you give them the support they need, bottom line
it might not be a flip flop, but it is certainly politicising the lives of our troops in Iraq
personally I find that more offensive then an outright flip flop

patriot act
sorry that's a flip flop no matter how you wanna try and frame it
he voted for it, then he voted against it
I'm fine with him changing his mind you know if he said uppon careful consideration I decided the patriot act went too far and voted against it cool
but he tries to make it sound like he was always against it
well personally I"m not a big fan of someone who will vote FOR something he's AGAINST
that's not his job as a representative of his voters
it's his job to vote for things he's FOR and against things he's against
he should get that **** straight


I would call the deathpenalty for terrorists one a flip flop
see when popular opinion turned he went with it
that's the problem with Dem's they are like weeds, wichever way the wind goes they go
I can appreciate that if thier belief is that a true Democracy would be ideal, but that is not my belief and I really don't think most of them think that either
I think they just say anything to get elected (I know both sides do I'm just pointing out cus this is a discussion on Kerry)

I would say that if Kerry is being missrepresented on previous votes, he needs to put that out there for everyone to know
cus while some people read this forum, it'd do him a lot more good on the news or in an intverview then here or on Frankin's radio show

batfonso
04-09-2004, 03:53 AM
Al Franken?